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JU88
10-18-2005, 07:27 PM
Two interesting facts on sub vs sub incidents,

During the entire war, there was only ONE case of a submarine destoying another submarine in a deck gun brawl on the surface, The Italian ENRICO TOTI sank a British submarine off Libya October 15, 1940. which was probably HM Rainbow or otherwise HM TRIAD. (both were lost around the same time)

More amzingly - (this is off Uboat.net)
On 9 Feb, 1945 the British submarine HMS Venturer, torpedoed and sank U-864. This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

For the whole of the war
Uboats managed to sink 4 Allied subs in total, 3 british and one french.

Whilst Aillied submarines sent a rather impressive 22 Uboats to the bottom. (13 of those 22 were sunk by British submarines)

Seems that the British subs had some great success in the mediterainian against German and Italian submarines.
But Dang! this is frustrating as a SH3 player, AI subs on both sides would have made the game truly complete!! (aswell as non-crippled elcos that can launch fish) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


Heres the artical (http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/specials/special_sub_vs_sub.htm)

JU88
10-18-2005, 07:27 PM
Two interesting facts on sub vs sub incidents,

During the entire war, there was only ONE case of a submarine destoying another submarine in a deck gun brawl on the surface, The Italian ENRICO TOTI sank a British submarine off Libya October 15, 1940. which was probably HM Rainbow or otherwise HM TRIAD. (both were lost around the same time)

More amzingly - (this is off Uboat.net)
On 9 Feb, 1945 the British submarine HMS Venturer, torpedoed and sank U-864. This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

For the whole of the war
Uboats managed to sink 4 Allied subs in total, 3 british and one french.

Whilst Aillied submarines sent a rather impressive 22 Uboats to the bottom. (13 of those 22 were sunk by British submarines)

Seems that the British subs had some great success in the mediterainian against German and Italian submarines.
But Dang! this is frustrating as a SH3 player, AI subs on both sides would have made the game truly complete!! (aswell as non-crippled elcos that can launch fish) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


Heres the artical (http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/specials/special_sub_vs_sub.htm)

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-18-2005, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JU88:

More amzingly - (this is off Uboat.net)
On 9 Feb, 1945 the British submarine HMS Venturer, torpedoed and sank U-864. This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>A view of things to come. lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

JU88
10-19-2005, 05:09 AM
If you mean in games- then I sure hope so....
wouldnt it be nice if SH4 was backward compatible with SH3, a sequel with some files thrown in for sh3 like some sub AI and new units and other bits they missed out on etc.

It will never happen though, a shame, there is obviously no true expansion for SH3 on the way and im sure SH4 will be a different theratre or time period, I doubt we will see another Uboat sim for along time.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

SeaMonster2005
10-19-2005, 09:24 AM
Don't lose hope yet; if what they said is true and SH4 is about Japanese sub, then there's a possibility that they may make it compatible with SH3. Imagine taking a U-boat to pacific and station at Penang, or pay a visit to American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor. The sooner SH4 comes out, more likely it is to be compatible with SH3.

Dominicrigg
10-19-2005, 09:46 AM
Very interesting! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Hitting another sub underwater must have been 90% fluke or super skillz. Either way very impressive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Kaleun1961
10-19-2005, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaMonster2005:
Don't lose hope yet; if what they said is true and SH4 is about Japanese sub, then there's a possibility that they may make it compatible with SH3. Imagine taking a U-boat to pacific and station at Penang, or pay a visit to American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor. The sooner SH4 comes out, more likely it is to be compatible with SH3. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't imagine how interesting that could be, since in reality Pearl Harbor was virtually impossible to attack by submarine. All of the subs and mini-subs sent there completely failed their mission.

JU88
10-19-2005, 12:54 PM
A pacific based WW2 sub game would be very dull, if it was historically accurate.

The Pacific is what? three time the size of the atlantic?
Anyways submaines had little to do in the pacific, most of the USA sub fleet were in the atlantic, the ones that were in the pacific patrolled the US coast and saw very little action. I belive Japanese subs saw more action on there own turf, sinking more chinese and australian shipping than US.

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-19-2005, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JU88:
If you mean in games- then I sure hope so....
wouldnt it be nice if SH4 was backward compatible with SH3, a sequel with some files thrown in for sh3 like some sub AI and new units and other bits they missed out on etc.

It will never happen though, a shame, there is obviously no true expansion for SH3 on the way and im sure SH4 will be a different theratre or time period, I doubt we will see another Uboat sim for along time.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Now I meant in real life. Sub v Sub.