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noshens
02-05-2004, 12:44 PM

noshens
02-05-2004, 12:44 PM

F19_Olli72
02-05-2004, 01:40 PM
There isnt one answer to that question, the I-153 wins the armament prize (P-model). But as far as manouvrability goes the Fiat and Gladiator seems to been very equal. Hmmm if i had one wish it would be for Oleg to model the Fiat Cr42 DB (flown march 1941 with a Daimler-Benz DB 601E engine with a maximum speed of 515 km/h! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That would make it the fastest. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That beeing said the Fiat & Glad wins a shared designprize in my book anyway cos they just look so good.

F19_Ob
02-05-2004, 02:11 PM
Remember a TV interview with a pilot who flew the gladiator in ww2. He said he could make a halfloop directly after takeoff roll it level and continue to make halfloops in this manner up to 18000 feet.( still have it on tape )


Shakespear once wrote "....up and up again.....".

Seafire_LIII
02-05-2004, 02:17 PM
A captured CR42 was flown in Britain during the war (you can see it in the RAF Museum at Hendon). It's well documented in the memoirs various RAF and FAA pilots' who flew both it and the Gladiator that the CR42 outclassed the Gladiator in all respects.
I've seen a Gladiator fly (Shuttleworth Trust in UK) and an I-153 (Alpine Fighters in NZ) and the Gladiator definitely wins out on the looks and grace side... the I-153 looks really nippy in the air but a real handful during landing with any kind of a crosswind.
I suspect that you'd live longest in the CR42. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rosaenrico
02-05-2004, 02:27 PM
Hi all,
difficult choice for me since i don't know much about their technical data, plus I like all "early" and "slow" planes. This to explain why I am going to vote three times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW, really they can compete with the agility of the I-153, as mentioned in previous post?

horseback
02-05-2004, 02:29 PM
While the CR 42 may have been a better aeroplane (to use the terminology of the time), Italian MGs were not as effective in te air to air regime.

The Gladiator was a better fighter, as evidenced by results in the Western Desert, before the RAF's fun was so rudely interrupted by JG 27.

Cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

F19_Olli72
02-05-2004, 02:41 PM
Heres what Captain Eric Brown thought about Gloster Gladiator vs Fiat Cr42:

"Brown also stated that combat between the Fiat CR.42 Falco and the Gladiator would bee a fascinating duel between the two best biplane fighters in the world. The CR.42 had a slight speed advantage, the Gladiator a slight armament advantage. In the matter of maneuverability the aircraft were about equal, and each was lightweight in construction. A combat between them would be decided on the skills of the opposing pilots. The outcome could go either way. "

Friendly_flyer
02-05-2004, 02:51 PM
The I-153 may have been able to take a bit more damage than the two other biplanes. At least in FB it is quite a though little cocky.

Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

ravuri
02-05-2004, 02:56 PM
Gladiator was no match for I-153. Finnish Gladiators suffered very heavy losses when fighting against I-153's. Chaikas had better armament, selfsealing fuel tanks and proper pilot armour + 150-200 hp more power. Gladiators were unprotected.

F19_Orheim
02-05-2004, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ravuri:
Gladiator was no match for I-153. Finnish Gladiators suffered very heavy losses when fighting against I-153's. Chaikas had better armament, selfsealing fuel tanks and proper pilot armour + 150-200 hp more power. Gladiators were unprotected.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we talking MK I or MK II here?
The J8As performance is equivalent to the MK II, same engine but same cockpit interior as the MK I.... but a he** of a mixture when it comes to the origin of the instruments: English, Swedish and German (including a German Revi Gunsight)

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noshens
02-05-2004, 04:02 PM
Does any http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifone know their speed, weight and all that stuff?

Hehe, 19 votes so far and its a tie between I153 and gladiator http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aeronautico
02-05-2004, 04:02 PM
Interesting poll but...

how comes the results are inverted compared to RL? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(Now it's I-153 first, then Gladiator and last CR 42)

A.

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Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot

noshens
02-05-2004, 04:04 PM
Right now its actualy a tie 37/37

F19_Orheim
02-05-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
Does any http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifone know their speed, weight and all that stuff?

Hehe, 19 votes so far and its a tie between I153 and gladiator http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


My treat:
part of J8A Manual (http://216.12.202.106/~f19vs/J8%20description%20eng%20translation.doc)

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F19_Olli72
02-05-2004, 04:13 PM
A combat report of Paavo Berg (in a Gloster Gladiator MkII)

"A squadron of Chaikas bounced me from the above. I received several hits on my Gladiator, but a fast evasive turn prevented any further damage. I decided to test the manoeuvrability of my new mount and the nearest three-plane Chaika section wanted to fight with me. The rest of them went away.
The Chaikas made a tight turn to try finishing me off again. I made a turn too and I discovered that my GL was able to turn with the Chaikas. I was not even warmed up when I was able to get into a firing position behind one of them. I tightened my turn to the extreme and thus I was able to pull enough deflection and my short burst hit his engine.
The plane I fired on went down towards the ice. His comrades decided to turn for home, and my victim made a landing on the ice. It looked only slightly damaged. I decided to fly back to Littoinen because I feared the hits on my own aircraft might be critical."

Bergs comment about the Chaikas: "The Chaika has a back armour plate for the pilot so firing at them directly behind with Gladiators rifle-calibre guns is useless. Dogfighting them is the best chance to get a Chaika if you are good at it."

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/finland_berg.htm

Capt_Haddock
02-05-2004, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:
A combat report of Paavo Berg (in a Gloster Gladiator MkII)

"...I tightened my turn to the extreme and thus I was able to pull enough deflection and my short burst hit his engine"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out-turn a Chaika. How nice is that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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horseback
02-05-2004, 07:05 PM
An earlier post referred to the Swedish volunteer group's results against the Chaika in the Winter War. Assuming the Soviet pilots had some decent level of experience in their aircraft, it would hardly be fair to the Swedes, in their "new mounts"(as quoted in Olli's post), to expect them to wring everything possible out of them. They were still learning the aircraft when they went into combat, possibly against veterans of Khalkin Gol or the Spanish Civil War.

I still vote for the Gladiator.

Cheers

hjorseback
(spelling modification in honor of those valiant Swedish volunteers)

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

FltLt_HardBall
02-05-2004, 08:51 PM
IIRC many, if not most Russian pilots who returned from Spain were executed, just in case they had become tainted by Western values.

So it may be doubtful whether there were many experienced pilots in Russia early in WW2

RAF74_Buzzsaw
02-05-2004, 09:00 PM
Salute

I, of course, would fly the Gladiator, but from what I understand of reading accounts by WWII British pilots in the desert, the Gladiator was slightly inferior to the CR42, mainly due to the fact that CR42 was slightly faster. They had very similar maneuverability. And the Gladiator had of course, more guns.

The Gladiator was superior to the CR32 for the same reason. Speed. The CR32 was the Italian Biplane fighter used in the early stages of the war in the desert and over which the British Gladiators scored a lot of kills.

The Hurricane I was superior to the CR42 and ruled in the desert till the 109's appeared.

Cheers RAF74 Buzzsaw

horseback
02-05-2004, 09:12 PM
Even if you say that Stalin purged all the 'Spanish' veterans, the guys who fought the Japanese were considered politically correct, and even without combat veterans, the Chaika in one version or another, had been in long use in the VVS, and even a few months flying it was an advantage over the time the Swedes flying for Finland had in the Gladiator.

Soviet pilots weren't as bad as Westerners often think; they were caught flat-footed under a totalitarian regime that had TOLD them that the Germans were their friends. Under the circumstances, some of them might have wondered if they would be punished for resisting the Germans that first few days. So there was a lot of dithering, and the corresponding loss of initiative and seasoned pilots at the start.

On the other hand, I believe that the Finns (that is the correct English designation, not a derogatory diminuation, so take it up with Webster's Dictionary, not me, if those of you from Finland prefer another label) were much better fighter pilots than anyone suspected well into the war. They deserve more credit than their German counterparts for their accomplishments with everyone else's leftovers.

Cheers

hjorseback (still honoring the Swedes)

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

masamainio
02-06-2004, 04:38 AM
There is a striking similarity in personality, mental attitude and skills between Finnish WW2 fighter pilots and modern day rally and formula drivers.

According to The Complete Book Of Fighters there was only one experimental I-153P with cannons built. You still need it to kill 190s and P51s online, it is way too difficult with machine guns only.

SUPERAEREO
02-06-2004, 05:15 AM
You beat me to it: I was going to say that in RL there were only about five or so I-153 armed with 20mm. guns...

My vote goes to the Fiat, not because I am Italian, but because all the accounts I have ever come across indicated that its perfomance was somewhat superior to the Gladiator.

I ignore if any Hungarian-flown Fiats ever met any Chaikas in combat, but I doubt it (I have some references on the Hungarian AF but they are in storage at present, so I cannot verify)...

Anyone knows for sure..?

S!

F19_Orheim
02-06-2004, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by masamainio:
You still need it to kill 190s and P51s online, it is way too difficult with machine guns only.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess most people will avoid these biplanes on every-year servers. Even though I actually did down a Me262 once in a P-11, these beauties will have a hard time defending themselves against late war planes (unless these planes are handled wrongly, too many people turn and burn in wrong aeroplanes).

However, historically correct servers is another matter... I just long for a nice 1940 wintermap with J8As:s, Chaikas and TB3:s!!! Throw in a couple of SB 3:s and DB2:s as AI in coops and I will be even happier. Oh how I wish somebody could make a Hawker Hart as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

oh... and the rest of those nice Polikarpov fighters from the 30:ies

"I love the 30ies"

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F19_Olli72
02-06-2004, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
Oh how I wish somebody could make a Hawker Hart as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Lol, just what i was thinking! Not as good looking as the gladiator but a nice plane nevertheless, i mean.. its a biplane after all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/photos/detail_hart_01.jpg

F19_Orheim
02-06-2004, 06:02 AM
...and would make the F19 Virtual Squadron's (http://www.f19vs.tk) hangar complete http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

J8A and Hawker Hart... yummie


PS: well almost complete. We would need these two as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.geocities.com/h_zoeller/f13_a1.jpg
Junkers F-13
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys169.jpg
Waco UIC-4m but with skis rather than floaters
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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Fri February 06 2004 at 05:13 AM.]

MatuDa_
02-06-2004, 06:10 AM
I really wish Oleg does I16 early types and I15 and I15bis too. I honestly think people would be much happier with crappola planes instead of the yp80_mega_super planes.. ..I know I would.. jets SUCK, pun intended.

Friendly_flyer
02-06-2004, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>jets SUCK, pun intended.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, I guess rocket planes are a blast?

Fly friendly!

Petter B√¬łckman
Norway

Erbriac
02-06-2004, 06:37 AM
No poll needed. Avia will own them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

F19_Orheim
02-06-2004, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erbriac:
No poll needed. Avia will own them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Avia is a GREAT looking aeroplane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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F19_Olli72
02-06-2004, 08:10 AM
Wich Avia? Thats about as general as saying "Fiat" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But in context of this thread im assuming were talking about the B534? I agree about it looking good, but not the "own all" comment. Clearly a statement colored by some subjective thoughts about it. If you read about its specs youll find it very close to Glad & Fiat so i doubt itll "own". Dont get me wrong im sure it was a good biplane...just not superior to the other ones http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Snoop_Baron
02-06-2004, 09:33 AM
How about some numbers? What is the power loading on these planes, top speeds, etc. Any experts out there?

s!

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LilHorse
02-06-2004, 10:25 AM
Although these planes aren't my cup of tea I'd have to say that the I-153 would appeal to me just because it doesn't have that big honkin' upper wing right in your high 12 o'clock view.

Erbriac
02-06-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:
Wich Avia? Thats about as general as saying "Fiat" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But in context of this thread im assuming were talking about the B534? I agree about it looking good, but not the "own all" comment. Clearly a statement colored by some subjective thoughts about it. If you read about its specs youll find it very close to Glad & Fiat so i doubt itll "own". Dont get me wrong im sure it was a good biplane...just not superior to the other ones http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was only a little rant http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm modelling the B.534 so I could not resist to step in here and post that statement. I know about its performace quite much to see it will be a battle of pilots more than planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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F19_Olli72
02-06-2004, 11:17 AM
Just as i said then: "Clearly a statement colored by some subjective thoughts about it." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But, the B534 is as fine addition to FB as the other biplanes. It may be a bit of an underdog tho cos ppl arent as familiar with it as with the Fiat and Gladiator or the Chaika. Looking forward to it.

LEXX_Luthor
02-06-2004, 11:39 AM
Erbriac:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No poll needed. Avia will own them all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Xanty:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No poll needed. CR-42 will own them all http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/tongue2.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Capn Haddock:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No poll needed. Gladiator will own them all http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/lol2.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Seafire_LIII
02-06-2004, 11:49 AM
"There were still [July 1941] two Gladiators at Yeovilton. There was also a captured Italian CR42. Wiggy [Lt(A) "Wiggy" Wigginton, DSC] and our CO, Rodney Carver, had a dogfight over the airfield and the CR42 won. This was rather glossed over later, and no one would admit it; but it was true."
From "They gave me a Seafire", by Cdr. R. "Mike" Crosley. A great book by the way- gives a great insight into FAA operations in WW2.

Bobsqueek
02-06-2004, 12:03 PM
Chaika all the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

but I reckon it would be close

xanty
03-01-2004, 05:45 AM
Hi all:

I am quite happy to see people interested on biplanes!
Lets see:
1. I think the Gladiator would be best on cold fronts like Leningrad, Winter War and East North Fronts...Nothing like having a closed cockpit! (did they have a heater too?)
2. If the I-153 had better gunsight and those 20mm came as standard, i would say it would be the best machine. However, visivility is not very good, and the weapons are on par of the Gladiator (4x7.9mm)
3. If the Cr.42 had better guns (2x12.7mm is great punch, but ROF and Muzzle were slow), samehing like the UBS Mgs :-), then it would be king! However, as demonstrated on the war, their weapons were unadecuate for downing enemy planes (bombers or fighters)

As you can see, all have strenghs and weaknesses.

some great information here: http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/aces.htm

I now wish we someday get the po-2 and some other pilot/gunner two seaters!

PS: For what I can see on that Biplanes of WW@ site i gave here, most Hungarians downed I-16 monoplanes with their Cr42s. the Finnish downed a variety of Sb bombers and I-16/I-15 family)

http://www.silence.plus.com/xanty/stuff/fb_sig.jpg

xanty
03-01-2004, 06:00 AM
Stats from the WW2 biplanes link from above:

B-534 version 4

Type:____________Fighter
Span:____________9.4 m
Lenght:__________8.1 m
Engine:__________Avia built Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs / 830 hsp.
Max speed:_______380 km/h
Service ceiling:_10500 m
Range:___________600 km
Armament:________4x7.92 mm Mk.30 machine guns

CR-42: total production: 1780+

Type:__________Fighter and Reconnaissance
Span:__________9.7 m
Length:________8.25 m
Engine:________Fiat A.74 RC 38 / 840 hsp
Max speed:_____430 km/h
Max ceiling:___10200 m
Range:_________775 km
Armament:______2x12.7 mm machine guns + 200 kg of bombs

G. Gladiator:

Type:__________Fighter
Span:__________9.83 m
Lenght:________8.36 m
Engine:________Bristol Mercury VIIIS3 / 840 hsp.
Max speed:_____410 km/h at 4,400 m
Max ceiling:___10500 m
Range:_________715 km
Armament:______4x8 mm Browning machine guns + bombs

Polikarpov I-153

Type:____________Fighter
Span:____________10 m
Lenght:__________6.17 m
Engine:__________Shvetsov M-63 / 1,100 hsp.
Max speed:_______450 km/h
Service ceiling:_9,000 m
Range:___________880 km
Armament:________4x7.62 mm machine guns

Also:

Polikarpov I-152
Type:____________Fighter
Span:____________10.2 m
Lenght:__________6.24 m
Engine:__________Shvetsov M-25V / 775 hsp.
Max speed:_______370 km/h
Service ceiling:_9,500 m
Range:___________800 km
Armament:________4x7.62 mm machine guns

Fiat CR.32bis
Type:____________Fighter
Span:____________9.5 m
Lenght:__________7.47 m
Engine:__________Fiat A.30 RAbis / 600 hsp.
Max speed:_______332 km/h at sea level
_________________360 km/h at 3,000 m Service ceiling:_9000 m
Range:___________750 km
Armament:________2x12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT and 2x7.7 mm Breda machine guns + max 100 kg of bombs

Hawker Fury Mk.II
Type:____________Fighter
Span:____________9.14 m
Lenght:__________8.15 m
Engine:__________Rolls-Royce Kestrel VI / 640 hsp.
Max speed:_______359 km/h at 5, 029 m
Service ceiling:_8,992 m
Range:___________434 km
Armament:________2x0.303in Vickers Mk.V machine guns + provision for underwing light bombs

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F19_Olli72
03-01-2004, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xanty:
Hi all:

I am quite happy to see people interested on biplanes!
Lets see:
1. I think the Gladiator would be best on cold fronts like Leningrad, Winter War and East North Fronts...Nothing like having a closed cockpit! (did they have a heater too?)
http://www.silence.plus.com/xanty/stuff/fb_sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, that was one of the things swedish pilots liked about the J8, a fighter with closed cockpit & heater was something quite new in the swedish airforce at the time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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F19_Orheim
03-01-2004, 08:36 AM
Considering that Sig of yours Xanty

http://www.silence.plus.com/xanty/stuff/fb_sig.jpg

... I suggest that we from now on use "J 11" instead of Cr 42 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


so... J8A against J11.. That will indeed be a very interesting comparison.

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F19_Olli72
03-01-2004, 08:56 AM
Orheim, do u have any info about J11 cockpit? Did it have original gauges or was it 'customized' like the J8?

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xanty
03-01-2004, 10:11 AM
Hi again:

yes, the J11. I think these came too late to see any major battles under the sweedish air force.

As far as I know, the J11 and Cr.42 had almost same cokcpit (comparing pics between the two)

I have the skin ready for when the expansion coms out...:-) Sure makes it look nice.

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Capt_Haddock
03-01-2004, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xanty:
I have the skin ready for when the expansion coms out...:-) Sure makes it look nice.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed! Nice sig!
Good to know that skin will be ready for the expansion. Hmmmm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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F19_Orheim
03-01-2004, 12:58 PM
to my knowledge, what I have seen on pictures, and also in the J11 in Malmen, Link√¬∂ping, Sweden, no customization was made for the Swedish Airforce. Even the Cammo is the Italian.

At the outbreak of the war Sweden lacked airplanes, and the American planes that were ordered were cancelled, England and France needed their own and the local production did not suffice. The only country that was willing to sell somewhat modern planes was Italy, so Sweden bought 64 Caproni Ca313 (B16/S16 Swedish designation), 72 Fiat CR.42(J11) and 60 Reggiane 2000 (J20). The "quality" of these airplanes was vividly discussed, especially that of the Caproni, but these planes played a very important role for the Swedish Airforce' growth.
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Sturmtrooper
03-01-2004, 02:42 PM
I think the I-153 would win the battle .

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F19_Olli72
03-01-2004, 02:45 PM
Yeah i remember reading about the Caproni. Initially used as divebombers by sweden, the wings just snapped right off. Generally bad quality and even in some cases its said, rats had chewed on the wingstructures http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
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DONB3397
03-01-2004, 02:48 PM
I've read some interesting posts here, remembering that the comparisons are still based on specs and speculation.

Perhaps, after the AEP has been out a couple of weeks and pilots have grown familiar with the FM's, someone will set up an online server with just biplanes on a Friday night.

If we could compare actual scores against the results of this survey...

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It's the only thing!
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F19_Orheim
03-01-2004, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
...will set up an online server with just biplanes on a Friday night.


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

24/7 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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woofiedog
03-01-2004, 03:13 PM
Gladiator MkII;
Weight 3,444lb 1,562kg empty
4,864lb 2206kg max take off
Max speed 257mph 414kmph at 14,600
Service ceiling 33,500ft 1,0210m.
Range 440miles 709km
Arm 4 303 macine guns
Power plant Bristol Mercory IX 830hp 619Kw
Fiat CR 42 Falco;
Weight 3790lb 1720kg empty
5070lb 2300kg loaded
Max speed 267mph 430kmph
Service ceiling 34,450ft 10,500m
Arm early one7.7mm and one 12.7mm
42ter two 12.7mm and two more 12.7mm in fairing beneath lower wing.
Power plant 840hp Fiat A74 RC38 14 cylinder two-row radial

woofiedog
03-01-2004, 03:26 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifWoops left out I-15
Weight empty 2,597lb 1,178kg
max loaded 3,027-3,135lb 1,370kg-1,422kg
Max speed 224-267mph 360kmph
Service ceiling 32,800ft 10,000m
Arm four or two 7.62mm DA or ShKAS in fuselage

noshens
03-01-2004, 03:49 PM
if anyone is to set up a biplane server please ban I153p, those guns give it too big adventage and there weren't that many in use.

WUAF_Badsight
03-01-2004, 09:14 PM
WOW-o-wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a COMPLETE fan of I-153 & P-11 DF rooms & coops

i knew we were getting new BIP's but i didnt know how good they were at all ...... seriously i thought that the I-153 would just continue to dominate really easy over them

the reading ive done in this thread is GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!

I CANT WAIT !

ill be hosting a LOT of coops & be making up some DF maps to boot ........ this is gunna be AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!


man this really is torture now waiting for the Expansion

roll on with march ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif