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Gbucket
10-07-2004, 04:23 AM
New flyable:
A-20G
B-25J-1NA
DAB Beaufighter Mk21
F4F-3
F4F-4
FM-2
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
Corsair MK.I
Corsair MK.II
Corsair MK.IV
F6F-3 Late
F6F-5
P-400
P-39D-1
P-39D-2
Hawk 81A-2
P-40B
P-40C
Tomahawk Mk. IIa
Tomahawk Mk. IIb
SBD-3
SBD-5
Seafire L.MK.III
Seafire F.MK.III
Spitfire MK. VIII
Spitfire MK. VIII(CW)
A6M2-21
A6M2-N
A6M3
A6M5
A6M5a
A6M5b
A6M5c
A6M7-62
A6M7-63
D3A1
Ki-43-Ia
Ki-43-Ib
Ki-43-Ic
Ki-61-Ki
Ki-61-Hei
Ki-61-Otsu

AI:
B-17D
B-17E
B-17F
B-17G
B-24J-100CF
B-25C-25NA
B-25G-1NA
B-25H-1NA
B-29
Blenheim Mk.IV
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
PBN Nomad
TBF-1
TBF-1C
TBM-3
Avenger MK.III
B5N2
Ki-43-II
Ki-43-II Kai
Ki-46-III Kai
Ki-46-III Kai Otsu
Ki-46-III Recce
N1K1-J
N1K1-Ja
H8K1
L2D

Flyable if you install over IL2:
Hurricane Mk.IIb
Hurricane Mk.IIc
P-38J
P-38L
P-39N-1
P-40E
P-40M
P-47D-10
P-47D-22
P-47D-27
P-51B-NA
P-51C-NT
P-51D-5NT
P-51D-20NA
P-63C-5
A6M2
Ki-84-Ia
Ki-84-Ib
Ki-84-Ic

Available in new free add-on:
F2A-2
G4M1-11

PlaneEater
10-07-2004, 04:35 AM
You're welcome, and enjoy!

--the PF Dev Team

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 04:36 AM
Thanks very much. When the does the free add-on come out? Prospective Betty bomber pilot here.

Cheers!

PlaneEater
10-07-2004, 04:42 AM
There will be a couple planes in a patch released immediately after the game hits the shelf. The only reason they didn't make it on the CD was space limitations.

After that, I honestly don't know. 1C:Maddox is focusing on BoB now, but it would be foolish to completely abandon PF after one quick addon. Plus, Luthier has a promise to keep to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 04:56 AM
well ,getting important pacific USAAF planes only using PF as an AdOn after paying a fullprice game .................. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
There will be a couple planes in a patch released immediately after the game hits the shelf. The only reason they didn't make it on the CD was space limitations.

After that, I honestly don't know. 1C:Maddox is focusing on BoB now, but it would be foolish to completely abandon PF after one quick addon. Plus, Luthier has a promise to keep to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. Looking forward to some bombing runs (and a fiery end http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif).

Cheers!

WOLFMondo
10-07-2004, 04:59 AM
Free addon?!? Will this be a patch right after PF is released?

I didn't know there were any clipped wing VIII's. Nice list though and good to see 3 versions of the FAA Corsairs.

Eddie_W
10-07-2004, 05:12 AM
I thought people would like the FAA Corsairs, and considering it was such a simple mod I suggested doing it (and then did it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). Made for a busy week though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 05:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eddie_W:
I thought people would like the FAA Corsairs, and considering it was such a simple mod I suggested doing it (and then did it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). Made for a busy week though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Eddie, good to see that you're still about. Thought that you might have been busy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers!

MEGILE
10-07-2004, 05:21 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif to the FAA Corsair

Eddie, that was a very nice surprise http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ty

DeerHunterUK
10-07-2004, 05:25 AM
Was the A6M7 in the last plane list? I can't remember seeing it, is this the dive bomber variant of the Zero?

FI_Macca44
10-07-2004, 05:28 AM
Great...can't wait to fly Wildcat and Dauntless again...I's been a long time sionce 1942 PAW.....

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 05:31 AM
What happened to all the other Beaufighter variants? They were only AI but..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DeerHunterUK:
Was the A6M7 in the last plane list? I can't remember seeing it, is this the dive bomber variant of the Zero? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, it had bombracks so it was a fighterbomber. and the Model62 had wather/methanol injection.
in general the realy lookes like the A6M5c.
and same armament : 3 x 13,2mm guns , 2 x 20mm canons

lbhskier37
10-07-2004, 05:40 AM
no P39D or P400 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 05:58 AM
stange , german community manager counts early Ariacobras as flyable ?!

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=59010161&f=938105023&m=2651096722

Feathered_IV
10-07-2004, 06:08 AM
No flyable P-36?
No Raiden?
No Claude?

Gbucket
10-07-2004, 06:10 AM
Sorry, there were some errors with that list, the following planes are actually flyable and not restricted to AI:

P-400,
P-39D-1,
P-39D-2,

wuggle85
10-07-2004, 06:10 AM
im a bit confused i thought all versions of b25 were flyable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
ah well

firehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifstarter

Aeronautico
10-07-2004, 06:16 AM
Nice list. Although some surprising previously advertised planes missing, even AI.

A bit skeptical on those PF planes available only with the PF/FB thing: it might mean there are no stock campaigns nor missions involving them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

WOLFMondo
10-07-2004, 06:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eddie_W:
I thought people would like the FAA Corsairs, and considering it was such a simple mod I suggested doing it (and then did it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). Made for a busy week though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your right on the money! Its certainly a very welcome addition.

Future-
10-07-2004, 07:05 AM
What happened to the AI P-61 Black Widow?

And why are we just getting 1 B-25 with cockpit now?

I clearly remember that ALL 4 of them were promised to become fully flyable! "later this summer" was the word, now we have entered fall, and all we get of the long-promised mediums is "just" 1 B-25 and 1 Havoc?

COME ON!

I'm pleased to see many fine planes coming up, but with the lack of torpedo bombers and bombers overall, this game once again smells like a fighter fest.
While this fits the title, it is ridiculous regarding that this game intends to recreate the battles of the pacific - which were definitely not only fought by fighter aircraft.

HungryBoa
10-07-2004, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:

.........

_Flyable if you install over IL2:_
Hurricane Mk.IIb
Hurricane Mk.IIc
P-38J
P-38L
P-39N-1
P-40E
P-40M
P-47D-10
P-47D-22
P-47D-27
P-51B-NA
P-51C-NT
P-51D-5NT
P-51D-20NA
P-63C-5
A6M2
Ki-84-Ia
Ki-84-Ib
Ki-84-Ic

............

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So if I install over Il-2 than I can't to fly with German or Russian planes ????

VW-IceFire
10-07-2004, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HungryBoa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:

.........

_Flyable if you install over IL2:_
Hurricane Mk.IIb
Hurricane Mk.IIc
P-38J
P-38L
P-39N-1
P-40E
P-40M
P-47D-10
P-47D-22
P-47D-27
P-51B-NA
P-51C-NT
P-51D-5NT
P-51D-20NA
P-63C-5
A6M2
Ki-84-Ia
Ki-84-Ib
Ki-84-Ic

............

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So if I install over Il-2 than I can't to fly with German or Russian planes ???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL. No it just means that these theater aircraft become available.

Its actually kind of odd that way. You'd figure that PF would include them as well...but I guess maybe space was once again a consideration.

A P-38F would have been nice. Or a P-47D-30 (an easy mod compaired to the P-47N).

HungryBoa
10-07-2004, 07:18 AM
So, I can fly with B-25 against Bf-109's and Fw-190's ?

Future-
10-07-2004, 07:28 AM
I think so, all it takes is a map on which all those planes are available, and up you go! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just install PF over FB/AEP, and overall, you will have ALL planes at your disposal from both games and the addon.

S!

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 07:31 AM
sure, if you install PF as an AdOn for IL2/FB/AEP .
there a some very usefull planes in PF that can be used over easternfront:
A-20 , B-25, P-40C , P-39D/P-400
and for western front the B-24 and B-17E/F are very welcome

nyme1
10-07-2004, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I didn't know there were any clipped wing VIII's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spitfires VIII as well as Spitfires IX flew with all three wing variants (standard, clipped, extended) althought clipped wing was not used on the Spit VIII as often as on the Spit IX.
I'm sure that Spits VIII (CW) were flying in Mediterranean area (i.e. F VIIIC, ZXW, RAF no.145 squadron).
But I personally don't know if CW variant was ever used in Pacific, but who knows and who can confirm or refute this.
We don't have to fly the VIII (CW) in the Pacific camapigns, but I think it will be usable in online scenarios at least ;-).

VVS-Manuc
10-07-2004, 07:57 AM
Very good. If people want P-51 or a flyable late war japanese fighter (Ki-84) in PF, they have to buy FB/AEP too!!! Money rulez!

VVS-Manuc
10-07-2004, 08:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
What happened to the AI P-61 Black Widow?

And why are we just getting 1 B-25 with cockpit now?

I clearly remember that ALL 4 of them were promised to become fully flyable! "later this summer" was the word, now we have entered fall, and all we get of the long-promised mediums is "just" 1 B-25 and 1 Havoc?

COME ON!

I'm pleased to see many fine planes coming up, but with the lack of torpedo bombers and bombers overall, this game once again smells like a fighter fest.
While this fits the title, it is ridiculous regarding that this game intends to recreate the battles of the pacific - which were definitely not only fought by fighter aircraft. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't need any bombers in this first person air shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
What happened to the AI P-61 Black Widow?

And why are we just getting 1 B-25 with cockpit now?

I clearly remember that ALL 4 of them were promised to become fully flyable! "later this summer" was the word, now we have entered fall, and all we get of the long-promised mediums is "just" 1 B-25 and 1 Havoc?

COME ON!

I'm pleased to see many fine planes coming up, but with the lack of torpedo bombers and bombers overall, this game once again smells like a fighter fest.
While this fits the title, it is ridiculous regarding that this game intends to recreate the battles of the pacific - which were definitely not only fought by fighter aircraft. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't need any bombers in this first person air shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit the nail on the head. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif The online points-kiddies have the most powerful voice. So more fighters is what you get.

269GA-Veltro
10-07-2004, 08:11 AM
Sorry but...

F4U-1A = Corsair MK.I
F4U-1C = Corsair MK.II
F4U-1D = Corsair MK.IV

P-40B = Tomahawk Mk. IIa
P-40C = Tomahawk Mk. IIb

TBM-3 = Avenger MK.III

..right?

Exzipion
10-07-2004, 08:20 AM
Patetic, depriment, incredible deception

USA market is USA market... money is money...

Pacific Fighters, in effect, is Pacific FIGHTERS, especially USA FIGHTERS...

No B5N?
No G4M?

USA pilots have B-25, A-20, and two models of SBD? XD for only D3A japanese bomber in release? XD XD XD

Recreating Pacific Battles with only D3A Flyable? XD

I don't understand to launch a incomplete product.

Incredible, absolutely incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

luthier1
10-07-2004, 08:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
You don't need any bombers in this first person air shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit the nail on the head. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif The online points-kiddies have the most powerful voice. So more fighters is what you get. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

6 out of 13 new flyable types you get are bombers. At the same time many important fighters remain AI-only in the release.

A-20, B-25, Beaufighter, SBD, D3A and G4M. This is more bombers than in any previous MG flight sim. As a matter of fact, this is more bomber types than you've gotten in Il-2+FB+AEP combined
after all these years.


269GA-Veltro :
Corsair Mk I is F4U-1, not -1A
Corsair Mk II and Mk IV are unique planes different from US F4Us.
Same for Avenger Mk III and Tomahawks. They're different planes with different textures and different loadouts.

Eddie_W
10-07-2004, 08:23 AM
The difference between Corsairs and F4Us is that the FAA Corsairs have clipped wings.

HungryBoa
10-07-2004, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exzipion:
Patetic, depriment, incredible deception

USA market is USA market... money is money...

Pacific Fighters, in effect, is Pacific FIGHTERS, especially USA FIGHTERS...

No B5N?
No G4M?

USA pilots have B-25, A-20, and two models of SBD? XD for only D3A japanese bomber in release? XD XD XD

Recreating Pacific Battles with only D3A Flyable? XD

I don't understand to launch a incomplete product.

Incredible, absolutely incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but we are waiting also for add-ons (I hope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

269GA-Veltro
10-07-2004, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
269GA-Veltro :
Corsair Mk I is F4U-1, not -1A
Corsair Mk II and Mk IV are unique planes different from US F4Us.
Same for Avenger Mk III and Tomahawks. They're different planes with different textures and different loadouts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank Luthier! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hotspace
10-07-2004, 08:45 AM
Cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hot Space

JohnnyRook
10-07-2004, 09:02 AM
These planes are listed as flyable

Hawk 81A-2
P-40B
Tomahawk Mk. IIa

but from what I know is that a Hawk 81a IS a P40B and if it's british you call it a Tomahawk..

so basically the same plane only different skin?

Johnny Rook

sapre
10-07-2004, 09:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exzipion:
Patetic, depriment, incredible deception

USA market is USA market... money is money...

Pacific Fighters, in effect, is Pacific FIGHTERS, especially USA FIGHTERS...

No B5N?
No G4M?

USA pilots have B-25, A-20, and two models of SBD? XD for only D3A japanese bomber in release? XD XD XD

Recreating Pacific Battles with only D3A Flyable? XD

I don't understand to launch a incomplete product.

Incredible, absolutely incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dont u even have a patience to read through this topic?
im getting sick seeing this "there is no this plane" posts.
all the other planes will be added by a patch shortly after the realese of the PF.
because there isnt enough space for the files to push into 2CD, and few to release in 3CD
dont let me type the same sentence again.

sapre
10-07-2004, 09:24 AM
...and olso 3CD would cost more.

Exzipion
10-07-2004, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exzipion:
Patetic, depriment, incredible deception

USA market is USA market... money is money...

Pacific Fighters, in effect, is Pacific FIGHTERS, especially USA FIGHTERS...

No B5N?
No G4M?

USA pilots have B-25, A-20, and two models of SBD? XD for only D3A japanese bomber in release? XD XD XD

Recreating Pacific Battles with only D3A Flyable? XD

I don't understand to launch a incomplete product.

Incredible, absolutely incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dont u even have a patience to read through this topic?
im getting sick seeing this "there is no this plane" posts.
all the other planes will be added by a patch shortly after the realese of the PF.
because there isnt enough space for the files to push into 2CD, and few to release in 3CD
dont let me type the same sentence again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know this post.

Oh yeah, great and convincent excuse muhahahahaha, only 2 CD's... a DVD and 1C/UBI lost 60/70% of sales...

1.- ¿4 CD's is very high cost?

2.- ¿launching in December or January with all planes is too late?

3.- ¿UBI FarCry, with 5 CD's is different?

4.- ¿finished Pacific Fighters quickly for quickly job with "Battle of Britain" for quickly launching in June of 2005 with a other partial plane list?

5.- ¿Colin McRae 2005, TOCA RAcing Touring 2, Silent Hill 3 and 4, Obscure and other games launched on DVD's is different? ¿lost a lot of sales?

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:

6 out of 13 new flyable types you get are bombers. At the same time many important fighters remain AI-only in the release.

A-20, B-25, Beaufighter, SBD, D3A and G4M. This is more bombers than in any previous MG flight sim. As a matter of fact, this is more bomber types than you've gotten in Il-2+FB+AEP combined
after all these years.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Luthier but it's 7 out of 44 flyable variants. Just one Beaufighter (fighter/bomber - with no torpedoes) not even any AI versions, one Mitchell (no AI versions), the Havoc (ground attack) and Betty (NOT on the CD)and then only the G4M1 not the M2 as well, and a couple of dive-bombers. Important AI only fighters? Hawk, Oscar, Dinah and George. Four is not many.

Don't get me wrong, I am looking forward to PF and will fly all of the a/c in it, but it is called Pacific Fighters for a reason: that's what most folk want, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Economic sense after all. Good job it wasn't going to be called Pacific Torpedo Planes though, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers!

horseback
10-07-2004, 09:56 AM
While I am disappointed by the lack of flyable key aircraft like the Ki-27 Nate, the Ki-44 Tojo, the N1K1/2 George, the TBF/M, P-38F/G/H, Kate, Judy, and Jill, it's still a heck of a lot more than we had before, and there is the likelihood of further patches with additional flyables and AI. Besides, I don't want to be labeled a "Pre-whiner."

I for one, will choose to be hopeful. I'm looking forward to taking an Oscar for a spin around Singapore (there has to be a few good bridges to fly under there), and taking off from my carrier in a -3 Wildcat (39 'raise gear manually' clicks to raise my gear, right?), and dive bombing a Japanese carrier with an SBD.

If Oleg and his merry band got it anywhere close to right, I'll consider everything else to be icing on the cake.

cheers

horseback

JFC_Phantom
10-07-2004, 10:09 AM
its a shame to see comparitivly few japanese fighters even when you add FB/AEP planes to the equation.

Willey
10-07-2004, 10:10 AM
Planes from the old list that are missing:

Aichi D3A2 Val AI
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden AI

Brewster F2A1 Buffalo
Brewster F2A2 Buffalo
Brewster F2A3 Buffalo
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IIF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk IINF AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VI AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIC AI
Bristol Beaufighter Mk X AI
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver AI
Douglas TBD Devastator AI
Douglas A20C Havoc
North American PBJ-1C Mitchell (B-25C)
North American PBJ-1G Mitchell (B-25G)
North American PBJ-1H Mitchell (B-25H)
Northrop P61 Black Widow AI
Vought F4U1 Corsair

So I expect these first after the release http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

luthier1
10-07-2004, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Sorry Luthier but it's 6 out of _44_ flyable variants. Just one Beaufighter (fighter/bomber - with no torpedoes) not even any AI versions, one Mitchell (no AI versions), the Havoc (ground attack) and Betty (NOT on the CD)and then only the G4M1 not the M2 as well, and a couple of dive-bombers. Important AI only fighters? Hawk, Oscar, Dinah and George. Four is not many.

Don't get me wrong, I am looking forward to PF and will fly all of the a/c in it, but it is called Pacific _Fighters_ for a reason: that's what most folk want, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Economic sense after all. Good job it wasn't going to be called Pacific Torpedo Planes though, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There's a huge difference between a sub-variant of an existing plane, and a whole new plane. Just to give you a better idea of what it takes, say building our initial F4U-1A model and cockpit took almost 12 months of work combined for five different people. Adding five sub-variants - a couple of weeks total.

For a bomber, the time needed for both the intial variant, and especially for sub-variants is considerably greater. Changes in external models, cockpits and flight models for fighter sub-variants are generally very minor, while for bombers they're almost as serious as building whole new cockpits from scratch. For example, the single B-25 variant took more work than all US carrier-based fighters combined. Just compare F4F-3 to F4F-4, and B-25C to B-25H.

So, from the development perspective, I'm really seeing it as 6 out of 13. I'm a mud mover at heart, and I personally want to have as many bombers as possible. I'll take many other types of criticism for our plane list, but I absolutely detest the notion that it is what it is because we cater to fighter kiddies. I've done much more than anyone ever expected in terms of bombers already, I still continue to focus on bombers, and plan a lot of new ones in the future.

BTW, there are AI B-25s in the list, and AI G4M2 is also all done. Important missing flyable fighters? Ki-27, P-36, Ki-44, J2M (AI only on CD, not sure why it's missing from the list), N1Ks, Ki-100, F2As / B-339 just off the top of my head. We could have built them ALL if we for example shipped the Beaufighter and A-20 as AI only.

borchi
10-07-2004, 10:46 AM
only one flyable B-25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

kalo456
10-07-2004, 10:51 AM
Hello all,

Just wanted to reply to Luthiers last post. First off, Thanks for all the hard work.

Luthier you kind of summed it up, the Japanese are missing several important fighters. Ki-44, N1K1, Ki-100, The J2M Jack flyable. I just don;t understand why they added so many allied planes without giving the Japanese the full range of aircraft. Then you have the Kate and the Jill that should definitely have been included along with the Val http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Overall I think it will be awesome though. Here's hoping that some of those Japanes planes do become flyable in the future!

Kalo

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by borchi:
only one flyable B-25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if it has 12 .50cal Brownings firing forward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dunkelgrun
10-07-2004, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Sorry Luthier but it's 6 out of _44_ flyable variants. Just one Beaufighter (fighter/bomber - with no torpedoes) not even any AI versions, one Mitchell (no AI versions), the Havoc (ground attack) and Betty (NOT on the CD)and then only the G4M1 not the M2 as well, and a couple of dive-bombers. Important AI only fighters? Hawk, Oscar, Dinah and George. Four is not many.

Don't get me wrong, I am looking forward to PF and will fly all of the a/c in it, but it is called Pacific _Fighters_ for a reason: that's what most folk want, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Economic sense after all. Good job it wasn't going to be called Pacific Torpedo Planes though, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There's a huge difference between a sub-variant of an existing plane, and a whole new plane. Just to give you a better idea of what it takes, say building our initial F4U-1A model and cockpit took almost 12 months of work combined for five different people. Adding five sub-variants - a couple of weeks total.

For a bomber, the time needed for both the intial variant, and especially for sub-variants is considerably greater. Changes in external models, cockpits and flight models for fighter sub-variants are generally very minor, while for bombers they're almost as serious as building whole new cockpits from scratch. For example, the single B-25 variant took more work than all US carrier-based fighters combined. Just compare F4F-3 to F4F-4, and B-25C to B-25H.

So, from the development perspective, I'm really seeing it as 6 out of 13. I'm a mud mover at heart, and I personally want to have as many bombers as possible. I'll take many other types of criticism for our plane list, but I absolutely detest the notion that it is what it is because we cater to fighter kiddies. I've done much more than anyone ever expected in terms of bombers already, I still continue to focus on bombers, and plan a lot of new ones in the future.

BTW, there are AI B-25s in the list, and AI G4M2 is also all done. Important missing flyable fighters? Ki-27, P-36, Ki-44, J2M (AI only on CD, not sure why it's missing from the list), N1Ks, Ki-100, F2As / B-339 just off the top of my head. We could have built them ALL if we for example shipped the Beaufighter and A-20 as AI only. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



OK Luthier, I submit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif I wasn't trying to have a go at you because I DO know how much work you and your team have put in to this. My point was really that most people who buy PF or any other flight sim are really after the quick gratification of a fighter kill, and are unwilling to invest the time and effort even to learn a multi-engined plane, let alone the bombsight if it has one.
If you'd have built a bomber-only sim for the Pacific Airwar, and had the Zero and US carrier fighters as AI only, the sales would be a fraction of what they're going to be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
So I'm happy for what's coming, and hope for even more multi-engined types in the patch.

Cheers!

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kalo456:
Hello all,

Just wanted to reply to Luthiers last post. First off, Thanks for all the hard work.

Luthier you kind of summed it up, the Japanese are missing several important fighters. Ki-44, N1K1, Ki-100, The J2M Jack flyable. I just don;t understand why they added so many allied planes without giving the Japanese the full range of aircraft. Then you have the Kate and the Jill that should definitely have been included along with the Val http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Overall I think it will be awesome though. Here's hoping that some of those Japanes planes do become flyable in the future!

Kalo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well , as flyable japanes fighter i miss mostly the Ki-43-II ! the backbone of the IJAAF the whole war. unfortunatly its cockpit is very different from that of the Oscar I . so, we have to wait.

in the future perhaps, an IJAAF bomber as an AI plane (Ki-21, Ki-48 ore Ki-49 ; Ki-67 would be to late in service)would be very appreciated , not only from japanes fihgterpilots, also from allied pilots as targets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
thinking of building some historical missions for online wars http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

btw, thx Luthier for all your kindly responces !

Jabo22
10-07-2004, 11:26 AM
There is only one thing I want to know. Will the B5N-Kate and the Avenger in this first patch?

ps. will there be the possibility of changing the
skin of parked planes?

duffys_tavern
10-07-2004, 11:49 AM
Thanx Luthier & all the folks. We've been looking for this. A few suprises on final list of flyable a/c. Someone enlighten me, the Hawk 81A-2? Is the the Curtis Hawk or same as the P-36? Just curious

Arm_slinger
10-07-2004, 11:52 AM
Nice list, althought a little dissapointing at some of the missing flyables. Buts its not all bad as theres a patch coming, and a follow up add on?

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 11:53 AM
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_6.html

its a P-40C , well , i think these Hawks81 will fit the AVG planes over Rangoon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MetalG.
10-07-2004, 12:19 PM
Great list, very much looking forward to Pacific Fighters.

I'm a bit disappointed though to see the J2M Raiden missing as well as the N1K-1/2 Shidens.
However I'm sure extra planes will be added after the release.

unseen84
10-07-2004, 12:46 PM
As others have said, what happened to the TBD, J2M, and D3A2? They were on the earier lists, but not this one.

Its cool to see those early B-17 variants in the game, but I'm very disappointed that the Judy and Jill aren't in. Just having them as ai-only would have been great. But don't get me wrong, I still think PF will be awesome.

Comswim
10-07-2004, 12:57 PM
Wow the plane list looks great, only thing I can see that I am not hppy with is no flyable avenger. Correct me if Im wrong but these are AI aircraft are they not. ?

Cheers,
BSS_Boxer
214 squadron
The Black Sheep

unseen84
10-07-2004, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Comswim:
Wow the plane list looks great, only thing I can see that I am not hppy with is no flyable avenger. Correct me if Im wrong but these are AI aircraft are they not. ?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, there are 4 versions of the Avenger listed as ai: TBF-1, TBF-1C, TBM-3, and Avenger Mk.III. Hopefully at least some of these will be flyable ASAP.

VFA-195 Moses
10-07-2004, 01:10 PM
Thanks for all your alls hard work believe it or not you are very much appreciated. Will look forward to new stuff in the future.

gates123
10-07-2004, 01:18 PM
great list can't wait to see the b-25 and a-20 pits

One13
10-07-2004, 01:44 PM
Looking at the list of planes my only question is what versions of the Ki-61 are we getting?
I have looked through my reference books and I can find no evidence of a Ki-61-Ki. Is this the Ki-61-I-Ko (2x7.7mm+2x12.7mm machineguns)?
Will we get the Ki-61-I-KAI with 20mm cannon in the nose or any version of the Ki-61-II with the Ha-140 engine?

Future-
10-07-2004, 01:52 PM
@ Frankyboy: About the B-25... the one we will get with cockpit will NOT have 12 .50s firing forward.
If I recall the list correctly, we will get the B-25 J, which is armed with 5 forward mounted .50s, as well as *scratches head, counts* 6 more .50s (1 left, 1 right, 2 top turret, 2 rear turret). Hm, we're talking about *counts again* at least 6 manable stations inside!


@ One13: You will see once PF is released. In about 2 - 4 weeks max.! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

FF_Trozaka
10-07-2004, 02:08 PM
Great job guys!
My only complaint is the missing Kate, please tell us it is coming in the first patch. its gonna be a drag not being able to fly japanese torpedo missions (i hate using the il2T, its so not japanese).

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 02:10 PM
what a pitty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

well, but understandable. so the allie side will have to a medium horizontal bomber . waiting to handle the Norden Bombsight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Copperhead310th
10-07-2004, 02:14 PM
Only 1 flyable B-25.
serously i'm heart broken. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
i was SO looking foward to haveing
all four varients flyable.
Now i don't know what to think.
i'm not complaining...just voicing my disapointment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Stuntie
10-07-2004, 02:15 PM
Excellent, Hellcats, Corsairs and Wildcats aplenty.

Just curious though about the SB2C Helldiver, TBD Devestator and SB2U vibrator - sorry Vindicator?

Any of them planned for later on?

IV_JG51_Razor
10-07-2004, 02:40 PM
Just curious about the B-25J. Will it have a Norden bombsight?

duffys_tavern
10-07-2004, 02:41 PM
Looks like a whole slew of P-40s of one type or another.

borchi
10-07-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by borchi:
only one flyable B-25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if it has 12 .50cal Brownings firing forward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i can remamber how long i need to clean the one barrel of my H&K G3 when serving at the luftwaffe some years ago.

maybe it take a week to clean 12x cal .50 guns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Future-
10-07-2004, 04:03 PM
@ Razor: Quite possible. Tried to do some research on the B-25 J's bombsight... but I think I'm not clever enough to understand what exactly a "N-3" or "N-9" bombsight is.

To put this in short: I don't know, but I guess it will be a Norden sight.

Eraser_tr
10-07-2004, 04:14 PM
Overall very nice list.

It is called Pacific Fighters, not Bombers, what do you expect.

I am disappointed a bit though. How can you have pearl harbor without the P-36 or any other early war action without it and the P-35 and P-26 and F3f? And without a buffalo Midway will be lacking.

IV_JG51_Razor
10-07-2004, 04:15 PM
Thanks Future. I'd be satisfied with the Lotfe 3D, with just a cosmetic makeover! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

IV_JG51_Razor
10-07-2004, 04:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
Overall very nice list.

It is called Pacific Fighters, not Bombers, what do you expect.

I am disappointed a bit though. How can you have pearl harbor without the P-36 or any other early war action without it and the P-35 and P-26 and F3f? And without a buffalo Midway will be lacking. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't speak for the P-26, but I'm definitely sure that the F3F never saw combat. At least in US colors anyway. I'd almost bet that the P-26 is in the same boat. The Buffalo is in the flyable list though.

Giganoni
10-07-2004, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by One13:
Looking at the list of planes my only question is what versions of the Ki-61 are we getting?
I have looked through my reference books and I can find no evidence of a Ki-61-Ki. Is this the Ki-61-I-Ko (2x7.7mm+2x12.7mm machineguns)?
Will we get the Ki-61-I-KAI with 20mm cannon in the nose or any version of the Ki-61-II with the Ha-140 engine? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good question, Ki-61 variants are confusing to me. I think Ubi made a typo and mean't Ko (or Kou) which means Ki-61 I A. Otsu, B, Hei, C. I don't know what the difference between Otsu and Hei were. Anyone know? Were they perhaps the german weapon equipped Ki-61? Because the nose cannon is the Ki-61-I-kaic. Then I have references to a Ki-61-I-Tei. Which would be a Ki61Id. I have no clue on the differences with the Hei and Tei versions. Some clarification would really be helpful.

Eraser_tr
10-07-2004, 04:53 PM
I know for sure the P-26 was used at Pearl Harbor and the phillipines, it was out of front line service, but because they had nothing else, they had to be used. They didn't last long. The 35 and 36 saw more service, but only for a brief time.

Snootles
10-07-2004, 05:12 PM
I admire the hard work that has gone into this wonderful list!

However, does anyone else think the Japanese are...well...sorta getting screwed over, especially on multiplayer?

One13
10-07-2004, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by One13:
Looking at the list of planes my only question is what versions of the Ki-61 are we getting?
I have looked through my reference books and I can find no evidence of a Ki-61-Ki. Is this the Ki-61-I-Ko (2x7.7mm+2x12.7mm machineguns)?
Will we get the Ki-61-I-KAI with 20mm cannon in the nose or any version of the Ki-61-II with the Ha-140 engine? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good question, Ki-61 variants are confusing to me. I think Ubi made a typo and mean't Ko (or Kou) which means Ki-61 I A. Otsu, B, Hei, C. I don't know what the difference between Otsu and Hei were. Anyone know? Were they perhaps the german weapon equipped Ki-61? Because the nose cannon is the Ki-61-I-kaic. Then I have references to a Ki-61-I-Tei. Which would be a Ki61Id. I have no clue on the differences with the Hei and Tei versions. Some clarification would really be helpful. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
According to Japanese Army Fighters by Geeen and Swanborough the Ki-61-I-Ko had 2x7.7mm+2x12.7mm guns, the Ki-61-I-Otsu had 4x12.7mm, the Ki-61-I-KAI-Hei had 2x20mm in the nose & 2x12.7mm in the wings and the Ki-61-I-KAI-Tei had 2x12.7mm in the nose & 2x30mm in the wings.
The 20mm Mauser cannon replaced the wing guns with out any change in designation although I think most went into the Ki-61-I-Ko version.
The Ha-140 engined versions were the Ki-61-II-KAI-Ko (2x20mm +2x12.7mm) and the Ki-61-II-KAI-Otsu (4x20mm).
It would benice if we get some clarification as to what versions we get, with every other plane on the list it is clear.

Burnin_777_AVG
10-07-2004, 06:05 PM
Listen Up people! Stop *****ing about the Beaufighter. You will get further models, this is just the first one we could get into the release. There are some distinct differences between them that need much attention and we have a good handle on it. The simple answer is that they are not ready yet. And that other list that someone is referring too about additional AI Beaus was false. Just enjoy the Beau Mk. 21 for now.

BV

Burnin_777_AVG
10-07-2004, 06:07 PM
Also, it looks like the AI TBD will make it into one of the patches. Sorry, that is out of my hands.

BV

Eraser_tr
10-07-2004, 06:10 PM
Yeah, everyone keeps complaining about having a ton of B-25's, there will be more.

Japan needs more fighters, like the shiden flyable. hopefully the patch will relieve that.

In this almost immediate patch, just what aircraft will be added/made flyable that didn't fit on the CDs?

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 06:46 PM
perhaps one question Burnin :
will it be possible to change in the beackseat of the Mk.21 ? there is no gun, so far i know, but it would be helpfull to check six. i dodnt think it will be possible to see anything behind out of the pilotseat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
10-07-2004, 06:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
Yeah, everyone keeps complaining about having a ton of B-25's, there will be more.

Japan needs more fighters, like the shiden flyable. hopefully the patch will relieve that.

In this almost immediate patch, just what aircraft will be added/made flyable that didn't fit on the CDs? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was mentioned that the Shiden will be flyable at some point. So I think we'll see that sometime.

Luthiers post makes me believe that were at the beginning really. So thats good!

VW-IceFire
10-07-2004, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Only 1 flyable B-25.
serously i'm heart broken. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
i was SO looking foward to haveing
all four varients flyable.
Now i don't know what to think.
i'm not complaining...just voicing my disapointment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rest are coming apparently. Not to worry! Maybe even 17, 24, or 29 (or all).

Lateralus_14
10-07-2004, 08:22 PM
Is the reasoning behind keeping out material due to CD space really true? I'm not trying to argue either way, I'm just wondering. I was under the impression that it is very, very cheap for a publisher to put the game on extra CDs if space is an issue, on the order of just a few cents per disc. Are we talking CD space or physical box space here? If the latter, then it may be understandable; the new small game boxes may not be able to fit three CDs. On the other hand, they might.

I dread the thought of the developers holding back material because of lack of space. When they're printing hundreds of thousands of CDs, surely a single one can't cost very much.

heywooood
10-07-2004, 08:29 PM
amazing that so much was accomplished and on schedule too. Ilya had said Oct-Nov release and so it is.

All those great maps - new campaigns - FM tweaks - muzzleflush - not to mention 40+ flyables with many more to follow in what should be short order, be very sure.

Medium bombers will be fun in the PTO, bro.
I just wish I had some of Marvins nifty airhumping fire hydrant majiggers to put here.

Snootles
10-07-2004, 08:35 PM
More Beaufighter models are in the works? Does this mean working Air Intercept and ASH radar sets? Dare I ask...?

VW-IceFire
10-07-2004, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snootles:
More Beaufighter models are in the works? Does this mean working Air Intercept and ASH radar sets? Dare I ask...? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Probably not...I don't think there were ever provisions for radar in the game. But hey...surprises could happen. There is that homing beacon thing in the He-111 (that I can't really figure out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

RedDeth
10-07-2004, 09:39 PM
you guys are lucky to get this game at all. it should have been shelved for B.O.B.

im glad it wasnt though.

oh and did everyone read what luthier wrote? they could have left the baufighter and A20 as A.I. and would have been able to make every other japanese fighter flyable. .... k100s georges etc.... this game could have 20 more fighters but instead we get a baufighter and an A20. man if i had a choice id axe those two planes for 20 more fighters!

civildog
10-07-2004, 09:43 PM
No flyable torpedo planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Pity some of the most significant planes in the Pacific Theater won't be flyable, but maybe later?

I want my Helldiver, Kate, and Avenger!!!

heywooood
10-07-2004, 09:50 PM
Luthier says many more planes are wip as flyable or AI for later patches/addons - 2weeks after release of PF, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

necrobaron
10-07-2004, 10:03 PM
Well, for what it's worth, I'd just like to thank all involved in PF's development and am grateful for what we're getting. I'm sure the subsequent patches for PF will undoubtedly flesh out any perceived omissions from the plane list.

sapre
10-07-2004, 10:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exzipion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Exzipion:
Patetic, depriment, incredible deception

USA market is USA market... money is money...

Pacific Fighters, in effect, is Pacific FIGHTERS, especially USA FIGHTERS...

No B5N?
No G4M?

USA pilots have B-25, A-20, and two models of SBD? XD for only D3A japanese bomber in release? XD XD XD

Recreating Pacific Battles with only D3A Flyable? XD

I don't understand to launch a incomplete product.

Incredible, absolutely incredible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dont u even have a patience to read through this topic?
im getting sick seeing this "there is no this plane" posts.
all the other planes will be added by a patch shortly after the realese of the PF.
because there isnt enough space for the files to push into 2CD, and few to release in 3CD
dont let me type the same sentence again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know this post.

Oh yeah, great and convincent excuse muhahahahaha, only 2 CD's... a DVD and 1C/UBI lost 60/70% of sales...

1.- ¿4 CD's is very high cost?

2.- ¿launching in December or January with all planes is too late?

3.- ¿UBI FarCry, with 5 CD's is different?

4.- ¿finished Pacific Fighters quickly for quickly job with "Battle of Britain" for quickly launching in June of 2005 with a other partial plane list?

5.- ¿Colin McRae 2005, TOCA RAcing Touring 2, Silent Hill 3 and 4, Obscure and other games launched on DVD's is different? ¿lost a lot of sales? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh, so you are actually comparing Farcry, and major blockbuster title, and Pacific Fighters, which really is just an expansion pack for an existing un-proffitable product?
pathetic.
If you want to believe PF will suck, fine.
go ahead and not buy the game.
But I assure you in about the month after the release, all of your desired aircraft will be added in a patch, and youll run into the nearby store to buy it.

Copperhead310th
10-07-2004, 10:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
you guys are lucky to get this game at all. it should have been shelved for B.O.B.

im glad it wasnt though.

oh and did everyone read what luthier wrote? they could have left the baufighter and A20 as A.I. and would have been able to make every other japanese fighter flyable. .... k100s georges etc.... this game could have 20 more fighters but instead we get a baufighter and an A20. man if i had a choice id axe those two planes for 20 more fighters! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe you would but i wouldn't. this IS a WWII aiwar simulation Red. Not air Quake. there are few more aspects to the sim than just online DF.
Even if some ppl or some groups of ppl do use it as a WWII FPS with a prop & wings.
Bombers are not only welcomed but needed.
On all sides.

LEXX_Luthor
10-07-2004, 11:24 PM
Thanks Luthier.

Beyond the FP Quick Patch, there should also be "Ju88" Patch or "Ju88" addon CD with Pe~2, Fiats, Macchis, Regiannes, Do~335, U~2, Spit~22, Tempest, etc...endless list. I think you may need FP to get these newer FB planes.


..........................................

Hopefully Flyable Ki~27 over the FP Patch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

ea4rj
10-08-2004, 01:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
But I assure you in about the month after the release, all of your desired aircraft will be added in a patch, and youll run into the nearby store to buy it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you in touch with the developers for such affirmation? As it is stated at the begining of the thread, only two new flyable planes will be on the next add-on. Japanese forces lack of several key bombers planes as flyable in the upcoming release. No chance for IJN, .(

Hunde_3.JG51
10-08-2004, 01:43 AM
Personally I am happy with anything we get. Some of the planes being added will make FB much better online as well IMHO.

To me it looks like the makers of PF are pretty dedicated and it seems there is alot of good stuff in the works. I'm sure in time PF will grow and it will be even more incredible. All of this complaining sems a bit misplaced IMO considering FB's history and the information already provided.

My only concern are for those who don't have FB and do not know how great 1C/Maddox and others are when it comes to providing support for their product and providing free content. Hopefully they will get hooked, stay informed, and witness it for themselves. Still, from a marketing standpoint I would recommend (if possible) that the appropriate planes in FB that are not available in PF be released in a series of downloads or something, alot of people will be wondering where the P-38, P-51, etc. are.

Anyway, thanks to all involved in the PF project. Job well done and I can't wait to try it out. Congratulations, you deserve it.

sapre
10-08-2004, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ea4rj:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
But I assure you in about the month after the release, all of your desired aircraft will be added in a patch, and youll run into the nearby store to buy it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you in touch with the developers for such affirmation? As it is stated at the begining of the thread, only two new flyable planes will be on the next add-on. Japanese forces lack of several key bombers planes as flyable in the upcoming release. No chance for IJN, .( <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No.
But, it says an "addon" not a "patch".
and I belive the word from developer then the word of some professional whinners.

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 02:07 AM
That to cover any questions, here is the full
list of PF _stand alone_ install.

* - flyable
** - became flyable very soon
*** - posible, but not sure.
**** - need still a lot of work that to make them flyable (I don't count these that are under Luthier's control.). And if we will have not enough income and time, we will skip them.

Howver to remid all: We will never take third party models if they will not match our specifications and our own 3D samples. We can't rework third party each model. Sometime is more easy to make it from zero than to rework ("correct" and "rework" here are different terms, please pay attention)...



*A-20G,
B-17D,
B-17E,
B-17F,
B-17G,
B-24J-100CF,
****B-25C-25NA,
****B-25G-1NA,
****B-25H-1NA,
*B-25J-1NA,
B-29,
*DAB Beaufighter Mk21,
Blenheim Mk.IV,
*Hurricane Mk.IIb,
*Hurricane Mk.IIc,
**F2A-2,
*F4F-3,
*F4F-4,
*FM-2,
*F4U-1A,
*F4U-1C,
*F4U-1D,
*Corsair MK.I,
*Corsair MK.II,
*Corsair MK.IV,
*F6F-3 Late,
*F6F-5,
Hawk 75A-3,
Hawk 75A-4,
*P-38J,
*P-38L,
*P-400,
*P-39D-1,
*P-39D-2,
*P-39N-1,
*Hawk 81A-2,
*P-40B,
*P-40C,
*Tomahawk Mk. IIa,
*Tomahawk Mk. IIb,
*P-40E,
*P-40M,
*P-47D-10,
*P-47D-22,
*P-47D-27,
*P-51B-NA,
*P-51C-NT,
*P-51D-5NT,
*P-51D-20NA,
*P-63C-5,
PBN Nomad,
*SBD-3,
*SBD-5,
*Seafire L.MK.III,
*Seafire F.MK.III,
*Spitfire MK. VIII,
*Spitfire MK. VIII(CW)
TBF-1,
TBF-1C,
TBM-3,
Avenger MK.III,


*A6M2,
*A6M2-21,
*A6M2-N,
*A6M3,
*A6M5,
*A6M5a,
*A6M5b,
*A6M5c,
*A6M7-62,
*A6M7-63,
B5N2,
*D3A1,
**G4M1-11,
***J2M3,
*Ki-43-Ia,
*Ki-43-Ib,
*Ki-43-Ic,
***Ki-43-II,
***Ki-43-II Kai,
Ki-46-III Kai,
Ki-46-III Kai Otsu,
Ki-46-III Recce,
*Ki-61-Ki,
*Ki-61-Hei,
*Ki-61-Otsu,
*Ki-84-Ia,
*Ki-84-Ib,
*Ki-84-Ic,
***N1K1-J,
***N1K1-Ja,
H8K1,
L2D,

At leaset on more PF theater will be available in free add-on.


Don't you think that no one of competitors had/have the same amout of aircraft as well as never modelled the close to real physics of aircraft landing, or amount of maps - theaters?
So I think complines about what we have and what need to be are not valid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
For such a short time I think we did what others simply unable to make....

For your sure.... I will never anymore do such great work for a such short time....
I didn't saw my newborn son for a two moths making final version, was many times sleeping in office!
100% it is the last case when I have so hard work, I can't live anymore without own private life. The last years was actually like I had almost nothing.

Giganoni
10-08-2004, 02:42 AM
Understandably Oleg, all have been hard at work and you all deserve vacations at tropical locations (Hey, some place in the Pacific!) Think the Ki-61s should be listed as Ko, Otsu, Hei. Or A, B, C. I'm curious to see what the Ki-43 II KAI is like, since all I can dig up is some structural changes (like the engine exhaust). Wonder if we will get an objects list soon? Hehe, just no type 11 75mm aa please! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kalo456:
Hello all,

Just wanted to reply to Luthiers last post. First off, Thanks for all the hard work.

Luthier you kind of summed it up, the Japanese are missing several important fighters. Ki-44, N1K1, Ki-100, The J2M Jack flyable. I just don;t understand why they added so many allied planes without giving the Japanese the full range of aircraft. Then you have the Kate and the Jill that should definitely have been included along with the Val http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Overall I think it will be awesome though. Here's hoping that some of those Japanes planes do become flyable in the future!

Kalo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Answer is more simple then you even think:

1) Not enough info.
2) no time.


You may say there are a lot of photos for Ki-100..... ****, but it isn't fully real Ki-100 in England... It is wrongly restored in some ways..... Its a mix of two models... even color of cockpit is wrong...

Ki-44 - no one cockpit blueprints were found. Even in Japanese archives...

N1K1 is present as AI in PF and Ilya ordered third partuy to make cockpit. Even with small amount of materials for the cockpits.

J2M is present as AI in PF and Ilya ordered third partuy to make cockpit. Even with small amount of materials for the cockpits.


Mayb someone will say that there are a lot of info for each AI arcraft that is present in PF?

Wrong!!! For modeling with such level as we accept I may only say there are almost nothing for that! And to make as it was making others - sorry not my style. And never will do such things as even not close to real picture of cockpit... Be sure.

csThor
10-08-2004, 03:01 AM
Any news on the inclusion of B6N2 Tenzan and D4Y1 Suisei - at least as AI ??

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
Any news on the inclusion of B6N2 Tenzan and D4Y1 Suisei - at least as AI ?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


We simply have almost nothing for them that to make models.

And as I already wrote - prioritets are given above.

csThor
10-08-2004, 03:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Not exactly thrilling but understandable.

*smart *** mode on*

Let's hope there are enough references for the BoB Aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

*smart *** mode off*

Giganoni
10-08-2004, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:


Ki-44 - no one cockpit blueprints were found. Even in Japanese archives...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No blueprints huh? That's a bummer. I have very detailed colored drawings of the entire cockpit with every piece labled in my Japanese Mechanism of Military Aircrat. I wonder where the artist got the pictures to draw it though. Only photo's I've seen were of the control panel only.

RiesenSchnauzer
10-08-2004, 03:21 AM
Oleg,
Just remember that for every person complaining there are probably ten who are silent and very happy with this list. I for one would like to thank you and your team for all the hard work on this sim.

I just have two questions. Will it be possible for the bombardier and pilot positions to be separate in the new flyable B-25? In other words, if I play online coop with a friend will he be able to fly while I drop the bombs and man the gunner positions?

Also, this is more of a curiosity question but do you think we will see a P-47N in PF sometime in the future?

Thank-you

JG54_Arnie
10-08-2004, 03:27 AM
Yes exactly, unbelieveable, such a plane list and all these spoilt prats can say is, where is my favourite plane of WW2, whahahaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Unbelievable.

Thanks for the great work Oleg, Luthier and crew!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

sapre
10-08-2004, 03:52 AM
Oleg Sir, this is an unexcepted surprise http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
don't listen to these proffesional whinners.
theres 100 times more silent people who is happy with your work.
Please, earn some rest and spend your time with your family.
You earned it.

Feathered_IV
10-08-2004, 04:07 AM
Oleg, thankyou.

I hope you will now have time to spend with your family.

When Pacific Fighters is released - I will no longer have time to spend with family http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 04:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Not exactly thrilling but understandable.

*smart *** mode on*

Let's hope there are enough references for the BoB Aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

*smart *** mode off* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ilya corrected me. He ordered B6N2 Tenzan but not sure when it will be done.

There are alot of work still over PF that to make it better and more interesting....

Of cource we can't make all hundreds types of ships there.... Currently, say one Carrier with the 3Dgunners On take up to 65,000 polygons...... Just imagine the work and programming... That is a lot of work!
And we have now so many ships in a sim as _probably_ no one of ship simulators....

Anyway we was need to make also Generic ships types based on main models that to do not meet in 1944 the same name ship that was sunk in 1943 for example.

So if there will be whinners abotu ships... I will not take it in account... We make flight sim at first, but not the ship or sub sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Who are whinnig about Bombers... I don't think that we have small amount of them for both sides. I think we have these that were main for the gameplay and for which we had enought info and time to make them finally flyable.
Remeber that to make just one type two engine bomber with rear gunner positions take about 10 times more time than to make one type fighter.

269GA-Veltro
10-08-2004, 04:50 AM
B6N2 Tenzan!!!????

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

B6N5 Kate would have been a dream...at least for me...but without cockpit references.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Freycinet
10-08-2004, 04:51 AM
Thanks a lot for your hard work Oleg and Ilya!

Also thanks for the list: it would be nice if you two could make a common, coordinated list of your info. I say this because Ilya mentioned something about a flyable B-29 being worked on, and this doesn't appear in your list, Oleg.

Anyway: you are also welcome to keep the lists to yourselves of course, for business purposes; I'm happy about everything we get!

borchi
10-08-2004, 05:47 AM
@Oleg:

Can ypu release the void.bmp files before PF is shipping?

So we can start creating Photosho Templates for Skinning.

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
Thanks a lot for your hard work Oleg and Ilya!

Also thanks for the list: it would be nice if you two could make a common, coordinated list of your info. I say this because Ilya mentioned something about a flyable B-29 being worked on, and this doesn't appear in your list, Oleg.

Anyway: you are also welcome to keep the lists to yourselves of course, for business purposes; I'm happy about everything we get! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


"Being working" this may take a lot of time to finish... I was told about things that are very clouse or clouse.

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by borchi:
@Oleg:

Can ypu release the void.bmp files before PF is shipping?

So we can start creating Photosho Templates for Skinning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This will be done very soon by Ubisoft team.

hotspace
10-08-2004, 06:14 AM
I know you're a busy man, but will the Ju-88, Spit 22, Tempest, Mosquito etc....be included soon?

btw I one of those silent ones who wait's and smiles http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hot Space

hernanyork
10-08-2004, 06:18 AM
hi.
THE HAWK 81 A2 IS THE EXPORT VERSION OF P40B OR
TOMAHAWK IIA ENGLISH VERSION, 100 OF THEM WERE SEND TO AVG TO CHENNAULT IN CHINA FROM UK .

THE P26 SOW ACTION IN PHILIPINNES 12 OF THEM DESTROY AT LEAST 1 ZERO AND 1 KI21 SALLY, AND CHINA TOO FIGHT AGAINST JAPAN.

OLEG YOU ARE OUR GOD , LONG LIFE TO OLEG AND LUTHIER.

POPE.

actionhank1786
10-08-2004, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hernanyork:
hi.
THE HAWK 81 A2 IS THE EXPORT VERSION OF P40B OR
TOMAHAWK IIA ENGLISH VERSION, 100 OF THEM WERE SEND TO AVG TO CHENNAULT IN CHINA FROM UK .

THE P26 SOW ACTION IN PHILIPINNES 12 OF THEM DESTROY AT LEAST 1 ZERO AND 1 KI21 SALLY, AND CHINA TOO FIGHT AGAINST JAPAN.

OLEG YOU ARE OUR GOD , LONG LIFE TO OLEG AND LUTHIER.

POPE. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Long live the caps lock too.

AirBear
10-08-2004, 06:40 AM
As a long time lurker and lifelong simmer let me offer this up.

I have never seen a community with more whiners and moaners than this one. In a time when virtually no one is producing flight sims, Oleg and crew produce another masterpiece and all they get is pissing and moaning. "Where's this plane, where's that plane". "You promised this..." Booo fricken hoooo!!!

You "moaners" all need to get a grip on reality and learn to be a little more appreciative. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled five year old girls and be thankful your even getting another sim.

And spare me all your self centered drivel about how your the customers and you pay and deserve...blah blah blah.

STFU and be happy Oleg hasn't abandoned this project just so he won't have to listen to you.

You people make me sick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 06:42 AM
Thank you, Oleg and his team, Only 2 weeks for release and it's not too expensive, only 40 euros. Can't wait to see it. Thank you for the great games. I think I should buy Wartime Command also...

wuggle85
10-08-2004, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBear:
As a long time lurker and lifelong simmer let me offer this up.

I have never seen a community with more whiners and moaners than this one. In a time when virtually no one is producing flight sims, Oleg and crew produce another masterpiece and all they get is pissing and moaning. "Where's this plane, where's that plane". "You promised this..." Booo fricken hoooo!!!

You "moaners" all need to get a grip on reality and learn to be a little more appreciative. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled five year old girls and be thankful your even getting another sim.

And spare me all your self centered drivel about how your the customers and you pay and deserve...blah blah blah.

STFU and be happy Oleg hasn't abandoned this project just so he won't have to listen to you.

You people make me sick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my sentiments exactlly

firehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifstarter

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 06:52 AM
(related to AirBear's post)


Yes, what another sim has over 250 (when counting PF) very high quality planes and over 200 of them flyable? Just with the game? First of all, there's the fact of file sizes. More planes, too much space required. Too much work. Maybe worse quality. Plus as you stated, not enough info for high quality.

Remember, Oleg has been sleeping only 4 hours a day. He and he's theam have worked really hard. We should thank him for the sacrifice for us.


I'm not trying to be a git or anything, just telling my opinion, based on the facts I know.


Thank you, Oleg.

wuggle85
10-08-2004, 07:04 AM
thinking about it all the winers complaining that they wont be able to fly tbm, kate, ect.
there rong becos if some1 makes a fly all mission then all the AI craft will be flyable

problem solved

firehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifstarter

ea4rj
10-08-2004, 07:28 AM
Oleg, thanks to take your time to come to this thread. Good to see the whole list of current/future planes to add. As you noted, most of the people here is agree with plane list published. Only the bombers pilots are a bit dissapointed, especially IJN players no capable to fly them (me counted).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
...Remeber that to make just one type two engine bomber with rear gunner positions take about 10 times more time than to make one type fighter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Human gunner position are demontrated usefulness. Take a look every online campaign and you will see almost there is no one considering gunners on their competitions.

Anyway, thanks to bring us another nice piece of work. And please, take some rest.
Regards.

--

aminx
10-08-2004, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
You don't need any bombers in this first person air shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit the nail on the head. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif The online points-kiddies have the most powerful voice. So more fighters is what you get. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

6 out of 13 new flyable types you get are bombers. At the same time many important fighters remain AI-only in the release.

A-20, B-25, Beaufighter, SBD, D3A and G4M. This is more bombers than in any previous MG flight sim. As a matter of fact, this is more bomber types than you've gotten in Il-2+FB+AEP combined
after all these years.


269GA-Veltro :
Corsair Mk I is F4U-1, not -1A
Corsair Mk II and Mk IV are unique planes different from US F4Us.
Same for Avenger Mk III and Tomahawks. They're different planes with different textures and different loadouts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


fine but was'nt the Devastator AI supposed to be in the game to enact midway and coral sea?
aminx

aminx
10-08-2004, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
You're welcome, and enjoy!

--the PF Dev Team <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

did you forget the Devastator AI for midway and coral sea?or is it in anyway?
aminx

HungryBoa
10-08-2004, 07:46 AM
Oleg, can you tell about situation with B-26 (Marauder, Widow maker)? I hear that it is also "in prodress". That's true information?

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 07:58 AM
And is the Dornier Do 335 "Pfeil" ever coming to the AEP? I saw it's in progress, but is it cancelled?

hotspace
10-08-2004, 08:05 AM
Noooooooooooooo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1209&forum=DCForumID43&omm=0

Hot Space

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 08:08 AM
EEEEEEEK! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 08:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Thanks for the link, m8. Can't wait it... A Pfeil Blastie when it comes out?

hotspace
10-08-2004, 08:25 AM
Yep, sounds good to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hot Space

(1VB)YAKMAN
10-08-2004, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBear:
As a long time lurker and lifelong simmer let me offer this up.

I have never seen a community with more whiners and moaners than this one. In a time when virtually no one is producing flight sims, Oleg and crew produce another masterpiece and all they get is pissing and moaning. "Where's this plane, where's that plane". "You promised this..." Booo fricken hoooo!!!

You "moaners" all need to get a grip on reality and learn to be a little more appreciative. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled five year old girls and be thankful your even getting another sim.

And spare me all your self centered drivel about how your the customers and you pay and deserve...blah blah blah.

STFU and be happy Oleg hasn't abandoned this project just so he won't have to listen to you.

You people make me sick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bravo Zulu Bear .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif well said mate. I agree 110% with you. Thanks Oleg & team for a GREAT sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
You don't need any bombers in this first person air shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hit the nail on the head. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif The online points-kiddies have the most powerful voice. So more fighters is what you get. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

6 out of 13 new flyable types you get are bombers. At the same time many important fighters remain AI-only in the release.

A-20, B-25, Beaufighter, SBD, D3A and G4M. This is more bombers than in any previous MG flight sim. As a matter of fact, this is more bomber types than you've gotten in Il-2+FB+AEP combined
after all these years.


269GA-Veltro :
Corsair Mk I is F4U-1, not -1A
Corsair Mk II and Mk IV are unique planes different from US F4Us.
Same for Avenger Mk III and Tomahawks. They're different planes with different textures and different loadouts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


fine but was'nt the Devastator AI supposed to be in the game to enact midway and coral sea?
aminx <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


To you and to all...

There was ordered many third party developers... However in final we were need to make a lot of things ourselves!!!

So planned and was was accepted are diffrent things.

Say cockpit of G4M finally we do ourselves.
Most (almost all) that we got initially was reworked by Ilya, then by us.....

So these that tell us tha one or other was supposed to be in a sim are wrong. We list possible, but gives finally all that ARE there...
And (Pay attention!) we never show ourselves in development updates which isn't ready or which are just pics from third party. We show only things that WILL be in a sim. Isn't it?

Historically many third party developers where ordered.. But I would say more than half of them wasn't able to accomplish the models finally... For some models we ordered several different developers and then from all of them we didn't get right things ....

Such a picture....

Then.... I switched the whole my team to solve this situation and ordered them all to work over Pacific...

As I told above in posts... We will nevere anymore accept the third party models that doesn't match our technology and especially OUR 3D model SAMPLES.


The AI model of Tempest is almost implemented here. The guy is making right. Now he is busy with the finalising of cockpit and I hope it will be soon.

Ju-88 is in work. This is the fist that I promised to third party to make when we will be a bit more free. However it will take anough time to finish, so the first add-on will be soon, but only with Pacific related things for both types of installs.

Mashie_Nibblick
10-08-2004, 09:21 AM
Thank you Oleg, Ilya, and company! This is shaping up to be a fantastic game. Please, as always, ignore the whingeing minority. There are many more of us out here who are incredibly happy with what we see in store for us in the next few weeks and th months to come. Your games have made some very happy flight-simmers, indeed!

269GA-Veltro
10-08-2004, 09:24 AM
Oleg take all time you need, but a Pacific addon with torpedo carrier bombers would be really a nice addition....and not for free.

Torpedo carrier bombers are too much important Oleg.....make it yourself, in the Maddox studio,....and NOT for free!

huggy87
10-08-2004, 09:30 AM
I am salivating. Thanks for all of your hard work.

By the way, if you keep FB and PF alive for many years most of us here would happily pay for add ons.

Tdavart
10-08-2004, 09:40 AM
If after all the talk of high standards and not having certain planes because of lack of reference, and the Lex is still in prewar colors when I crank it up the first time, that will pretty much blow that theory right out of the water...so to speak.

Oleg_Maddox
10-08-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tdavart:
If after all the talk of high standards and not having certain planes because of lack of reference, and the Lex is still in prewar colors when I crank it up the first time, that will pretty much blow that theory right out of the water...so to speak. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we have right color of Lex. Chekced with the guys that was served on Lex or that saw the ship alive.

As well as I told already we are not going to make ship simulator.

GvSAP_Dart
10-08-2004, 10:15 AM
Is the Po-2 as a flyable going to be added in first upgrade?

I will shortly be providing you - as soon as I create them - a group of entertaining yet poorly forged documents detailing how all countries involved in the Pacific used the Po-2 extensively in all theatres and battles.

Keep up the good work! You have a customer for life!

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 10:23 AM
Will the B-29 have The Bomb?

Barkhorn1x
10-08-2004, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tdavart:
If after all the talk of high standards and not having certain planes because of lack of reference, and the Lex is still in prewar colors when I crank it up the first time, that will pretty much blow that theory right out of the water...so to speak. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we have right color of Lex. Chekced with the guys that was served on Lex or that saw the ship alive.

As well as I told already we are not going to make ship simulator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yea, dude - he told you already - pay attention!!

Barkhorn.

Willey
10-08-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by borchi:
only one flyable B-25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I would have liked the H more than the other 3 together http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Willey
10-08-2004, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by borchi:
only one flyable B-25 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if it has 12 .50cal Brownings firing forward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what I meant http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Don't forget the 75mm thingy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Willey
10-08-2004, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Probably not...I don't think there were ever provisions for radar in the game. But hey...surprises could happen. There is that homing beacon thing in the He-111 (that I can't really figure out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's some kind of ILS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gbucket
10-08-2004, 10:38 AM
I think you should all take some time to thank Oleg for taking his time to come to the forum and actually talk with you. I'm sure few other developers would happily come onto a forum with the masses and talk about their product http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

To Oleg,

Thanks for coming and chatting to them, how's the gadget collection coming? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

aminx
10-08-2004, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Oleg take all time you need, but a Pacific addon with torpedo carrier bombers would be really a nice addition....and make it payware.

Torpedo carrier bombers are very important Oleg.....make it yourself, in the Maddox studio,....and NOT for free! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hello veltro

i fully agree with you(totalmente dacordo con lei)make it payware and developed only by Madddox team,everybody will buy it i guarantee it.
waitting to see your Italian planes veltro,maybe in B.O.B.
bye
aminx

aminx
10-08-2004, 10:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:
I think you should all take some time to thank Oleg for taking his time to come to the forum and actually _talk_ with you. I'm sure few other developers would happily come onto a forum with the masses and talk about their product http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

To Oleg,

Thanks for coming and chatting to them, how's the gadget collection coming? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


thank you very much.
aminx

Willey
10-08-2004, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
So if there will be whinners abotu ships... I will not take it in account... We make flight sim at first, but not the ship or sub sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Is the ghost ship bug fixed at least? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

RedDeth
10-08-2004, 11:17 AM
this is a real treat to read real time the game designer/developers thoughts on the sim.

thanks. and oleg if you ever come to san francisco california ill hook you up with some real hot chicks bro!!! count on it.

Snootles
10-08-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think you should all take some time to thank Oleg for taking his time to come to the forum and actually talk with you. I'm sure few other developers would happily come onto a forum with the masses and talk about their product <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So true! Could you imagine Bill Gates coming to talk with the people on the official CFS forums? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

aminx
10-08-2004, 11:49 AM
TT RED DETH
oleg is happily married with a recently born child so you can keep all your california chicks
aminx

PF_Coastie
10-08-2004, 01:09 PM
Oleg, Thank you for coming here and clearing the air. Wonderful work by you and your team.

One question if you are still available.

Have any changes been made to the net code to allow for 128 player dogfights? Or, Are we relying solely on a very well designed map and an incredible server with a T3 connection to run one of these DF's?

Thank you,

Dr_shang
10-08-2004, 01:18 PM
The japanese list is clearly smaller than the american list... there are very important japanese plane that are only AI (as the N1K1 J, J2M3) and others that are simply subversions of flyable aircraft and are AI (see D3A1 and D3A2 or Ki-43I and Ki-43 II)... There are US CVE but no japanese CVL... and ,in the end, there are not flyable torpedo bombers! ...

A Pacific combat aerial simulator without torpedo bombers based-carriers flyable when priority targets are ships... ejem... impressive deception.

Of course... Pacific Fighters is aerial combat simulator, not naval simulator, but when ships are priority targets, ships must have special treatment and attack planes.

Pacific Fighters will be a beautiful and unbalanced game... only for dogfighters, targeted for USA market http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

IL2-Forgotten Battles, have a lot of strange, unreal and inusual planes that nobody fligh: P-80, Me-163, Me-109Z, Mistel, Go-229... The time development for this planes must have in real planes with a lot of important in WWII: Ju-88, Pe-2 and similars...

RedDeth
10-08-2004, 01:43 PM
aminx statistical fact. 99% of all married men cheat on their wives at one point or another at least once.

unless you can walk on water.

WUAF_Badsight
10-08-2004, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
aminx statistical fact. 99% of all married men cheat on their wives at one point or another at least once. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>lol no way its near 99%

BlackScorpion11
10-08-2004, 02:53 PM
And... Statistics based on what number? There are alot of married men in the world, you know.

goshikisen
10-08-2004, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
J2M is present as AI in PF and Ilya ordered third partuy to make cockpit. Even with small amount of materials for the cockpits.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
And (Pay attention!) we never show ourselves in development updates which isn't ready or which are just pics from third party. We show only things that WILL be in a sim. Isn't it?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just to clarify... Oleg is stating that the Raiden is going to be AI in the initial release of PF? I ask because that initial list makes no mention of the J2M but I have seen screenshots of it. In the second quote the message seems to be that anything you've seen in a dev. update will eventually be part of the game.

Regards, Goshikisen.

p.s. Raiden or not... it's a great looking list Oleg, thanks for the effort.

RJMurphy
10-08-2004, 03:49 PM
I'm a lifelong flight simmer Oleg.
Thank you for 'Pacific Fighters' I'm sure it's been done with 'class' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. We needed something to keep us busy, while waiting for B.O.B. - and appreciate it.

Ignore the juvie's, they simply don't know any better.

Please stop by SimHq's if you get time.

Eraser_tr
10-08-2004, 03:51 PM
Thank you Oleg for coming here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



I'm not really complaining so much as wishing about the planes list. I'd have rather had all the japanese fighters flyable and wait for the havoc and beau.

I saw a cockpit for a P-36 and CAC Boomerang in development not long ago, were they submitted, accepted?

Those are the only planes I'm a bit disappointed to not see in the original release, I have the Aeroplane Heaven Boomerang for the MS series of sims and I love that plane, and I'm making a P-36 for the MS series and hoped to see them in PF.*goes back to dreaming about flying in the first days of the war out gunned, out manouvered and outnumbered by the Japanese in a pre war US plane*

Tvrdi
10-08-2004, 03:58 PM
Im pleased with the number of flyables in the list...however, its obvious this sim is concentrated on rich and big US market....but, never mind,...one thing bothers me alot - wher are those torpedo bombers/fighters who were main units in key battles??? those important and highly used torp planes have only one engine so they could be developed rather quickly, just like fighter planes...why they arent flyable??

tank_hunter
10-08-2004, 03:59 PM
I am not sorry for seeming like the fat kid gagging on his 4th piece of chocolate cake by complaining, but......we'ren't torpedo bombers like 1/3 of the fighting fleet out there? (Civildog, get down from that bell tower!!) And there doesn't appear to be any plans to add torpedo options??? Do you know what sank the Arizona?....ok, I'll go back into seclusion now that I'll be accused of stirring the pot, or better yet, "t r o l l i n g"... I love the game, I'm looking forward to the game, it just doesn't appear to me to be a complete game unless torpedos are available. It's like IL2 not making the B-17 flyable....(crawls into bomb shelter). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

I don't mean to disregard all the work that goes into this game, obviously not everyone will be happy, but........it's a torpedo vs boat theater... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

No601_prangster
10-08-2004, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the hard work Oleg and get some rest and family time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

sugaki
10-08-2004, 04:52 PM
Wow. I'm usually the one griping, but I feel sorry for Ilya and Oleg for getting so much crud for the hard work they put into their product. Developers work on nights and weekends when it's the crunch (getting the game gold) to quash bugs and put everything together.

I'm not surprised that 100+ planes aren't flyable. Limited resources and time you do with what you can.

Kinda bummed that the US planelist's significantly bigger, and I'm guessing that's because the PC market's bigger here than in Japan--would've been nice to have seen an N1K1 for launch, so you'd have a late way plane for both the Army and Navy for Japan.

Looking forward to the game when it hits retailers though--it's been too long since the last Pacific sim.

sapre
10-08-2004, 07:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr_shang:
The japanese list is clearly smaller than the american list... there are very important japanese plane that are only AI (as the N1K1 J, J2M3) and others that are simply subversions of flyable aircraft and are AI (see D3A1 and D3A2 or Ki-43I and Ki-43 II)... There are US CVE but no japanese CVL... and ,in the end, there are not flyable torpedo bombers! ...

A Pacific combat aerial simulator without torpedo bombers based-carriers flyable when priority targets are ships... ejem... impressive deception.

Of course... Pacific Fighters is aerial combat simulator, not naval simulator, but when ships are priority targets, ships must have special treatment and attack planes.

Pacific Fighters will be a beautiful and unbalanced game... only for dogfighters, targeted for USA market http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

IL2-Forgotten Battles, have a lot of strange, unreal and inusual planes that nobody fligh: P-80, Me-163, Me-109Z, Mistel, Go-229... The time development for this planes must have in real planes with a lot of important in WWII: Ju-88, Pe-2 and similars... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Im begging you, Please just shutup for few weeks.
Please.

huggy87
10-08-2004, 08:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
Im pleased with the number of flyables in the list...however, its obvious this sim is concentrated on rich and big US market.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think that is more coincidental than anything. The fact is that the US did 80% of the fighting in the Pacific Theater. Naturally most of the aircraft would be American. Really, this is the first Pacific War sim that has gone to efforts to include other allied combatants. Your comment would be like me saying that Forgotten Battles was targeted towards central and eastern european markets.

VW-IceFire
10-08-2004, 09:03 PM
Reasons for inclusion of a larger American plane list:

1) More and better references...Americans like their history and like to preserve, remember, and talk about it all the time. Thats why they have so many more museums dedicated to WWII than I see here in Canada. Consequently, getting a picture of a authentic Hellcat, Corsair, P-40, etc. cockpit is easy.

2) American aircraft make up the bulk of aircraft fighting in the theater. Remember that the P-40 for instance means alot more to various countries than just Americans. The New Zealanders flew them quite a bit...I believe they were also Cosair users as well. This is just one example of such sharing.

3) There were three major services fighting the war in the PTO that were American. The Navy, the Marines, and the Army. Each of these had their own air forces. Even more to the point, they were somewhat independant. So there are a whole bunch of aircraft for each. Of course, the Japanese Army and Navy had a similar arrangement (see #1).

I for one would be disappointed if the plane list was left as it was. There are no torpedo bombers and there is a lack of Japanese aircraft both in the AI category and in the flyables category. However, the story is not over. Luthier has quite clearly said that there is continuing efforts. This I will take his word on for the moment and see what they produce. The plane list and the campaigns we may see could potentially change drastically over the next 6 months. Thats an investment worth buying into in my opinion.

If you don't agree...you know what to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh...and by the way...this is the first ever PTO sim to feature a Beaufighter, a Spitfire Mark VIII, and a Seafire III. Never has this happened before.

Tdavart
10-08-2004, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tdavart:
If after all the talk of high standards and not having certain planes because of lack of reference, and the Lex is still in prewar colors when I crank it up the first time, that will pretty much blow that theory right out of the water...so to speak. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we have right color of Lex. Chekced with the guys that was served on Lex or that saw the ship alive.

As well as I told already we are not going to make ship simulator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for taking the time to reply Oleg. Much appreciated. But the markings aren't correct for the Lex or Sara (unless they have changed). Those are pre-war paint jobs and deck colors. Which undermines my confidence a tad in the research end of things. Saying it's not a ship sim is a little lame. If you have to do the camo anyway, why not do it right? But having said that, the carriers themselves look stunning. It would be cool if we can modify the paint jobs like we can on the aircraft.

wayno7777
10-08-2004, 09:58 PM
Thank you very much, Oleg!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sapre
10-09-2004, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tdavart:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tdavart:
If after all the talk of high standards and not having certain planes because of lack of reference, and the Lex is still in prewar colors when I crank it up the first time, that will pretty much blow that theory right out of the water...so to speak. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we have right color of Lex. Chekced with the guys that was served on Lex or that saw the ship alive.

As well as I told already we are not going to make ship simulator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for taking the time to reply Oleg. Much appreciated. But the markings aren't correct for the Lex or Sara (unless they have changed). Those are pre-war paint jobs and deck colors. Which undermines my confidence a tad in the research end of things. Saying it's not a ship sim is a little lame. If you have to do the camo anyway, why not do it right? But having said that, the carriers themselves look stunning. It would be cool if we can modify the paint jobs like we can on the aircraft. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im getting sick hearing from these self claimed proffesional whinners.
If you want to make an constructive comment, bring some reliable sources, not your self prospective whine.

FI.Snaphoo
10-09-2004, 12:37 AM
I have to say that, even with the "whining" (I say that with tongue in cheek, and in the nicest possible way), this is by far the most comprehensive flight sim/game that I have ever seen. The feel of the game is enormous to me. I have to say thanks to Oleg and the team for caring about the product that they put out. I can't wait to fly in the Pacific, or over the channel. But, at the moment, I can't wait to get home to get back to flying, as I'm currently at work. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have had more fun with this game than I have in a long time.

Sure, I sound like a fanboy, but quite frankly I've not seen a better, more comprehensive coverage of such a large and decisive moment in history...

Maybe I am a fanboy, but as long as the quality of work is as good as this game is, I will continue to be.

ImpStarDuece
10-09-2004, 01:02 AM
For those coplaining about the supposed skinniness of the Japanese flyables lists i would ask you to stop and think for a few seconds. I'm living in Japan right now and one thing is pretty common to most Japanese. They believe that WW2 was a pretty ugly time in thier history and dont really believe in preserving relics of it like Westerners do.

Also, the US produced more basic amd production airframe designs than ANY other country during WW2. P-36,38,39,40,43,47,51,59,61,63 F2,F6F,F4U,F4F,F7F, F8F, yp-80 SBD,SBC, TBF,TBD, B-17,24,25,26,29,32 A-20,26 to name just some notables. The list could run into several HUUNDRED types if you start including experimentals and oneoffs.

More€€types than Germany, more than Japan, more than ANYONE else Allied or Axis. Why then should you be suprised that there is a predominance of US types? I haven't seen any complaints about the lack of British flyables such as the Sea Hurri or early Fleet Air Arm planes.

I think that what we are getting is an amazing flight sim. Be patient, look at how FB has expanded. What will come will come, given time, resources and a bit of understanding from the community. Besides metering out extra AI and flyables meand that he sim has a MUCH longer life as we get to try out new experiances. I gonna be busy enough just to try 40 odd flyables, let alone master level or torpedo bombing.

Sometimes i just can't understand you guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Slammin_
10-09-2004, 01:07 AM
I think it's pretty sad when you have to feel guilt whenever you have something good to say about this sim. And talk about turning the other cheek? Oleg definitely does have thick skin indeed, but that is still no reason to not show appreciation for the efforts of he and his team.

Hats off and Salute to you Oleg & Co. for all of your hard work here. I cannot wait to get in the air with PF!

aminx
10-09-2004, 02:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
aminx statistical fact. 99% of all married men cheat on their wives at one point or another at least once. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>lol no way its near 99% <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

a red blooded corsair jolly roger fighter pilot or someone out of the black sheep squadron hanging around those make shift bamboo humphrey bogart stile bars on the solomon islands during the war most probably was a heterosexual by nature and due to his swashbuckling character therefore was prone to cheat under those circumstances if the oportunity arose.
aminx

tank_hunter
10-09-2004, 02:37 AM
They work pretty hard developing the game because it's their job. I work hard because I'm paid to and it's an expectation. Well, they created one proven sim, Il2, (LOCKON BITES HARD) and so we're all anticipating PF. The proof is in the pudding, I'll judge the game when it comes out and I won't hold back. If I pay my $20 and it's a dud, then it's a dud, if not then I'll sing its praises.

t0n.
10-09-2004, 03:13 AM
To be honest, I'm also a little dissapointed that we're missing the Torpedo bombers and, to a much lesser extent, the P-40N. But...

Oleg has been honest about it up front and told me what I'll be getting for my cash when the game hits the shelves. Can't ask for more than that, and I'd be lying if I said I couldn't find twice the value in what's already there.

So yeah, I'm with the fanboys on this one. PF, for what it is rather than what it could have been,is looking pretty darn good.

Thanks Oleg.

DjTeD
10-09-2004, 05:06 AM
Well !!! What is coming is just... GREAT !!!

Oleg... do not listen those people that are always complaining for this or for that... you are making a hell of a jop !!! Your sim is the best we can find !!!

And do not hurry too much... do not kill yourself at work : it would be stupid... you have kid and wife... that counts much more than us !!!

We know you do your best, so relax a little...

(1VB)YAKMAN
10-09-2004, 05:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
aminx statistical fact. 99% of all married men cheat on their wives at one point or another at least once. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>lol no way its near 99% <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

a red blooded corsair jolly roger fighter pilot or someone out of the black sheep squadron hanging around those make shift bamboo humphrey bogart stile bars on the solomon islands during the war most probably was a heterosexual by nature and due to his swashbuckling character therefore was prone to cheat under those circumstances if the oportunity arose.
aminx <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a Retired Soldier, I was in Somalia, Rowanda, Nambibia & the 1st Gulf War just to name a few, & I NEVER once cheated or thaught about it. Guess I must be in the 1% but I do know a couple of people who cheated on their partners & it wouldn't even be close to 5%.

Tvrdi
10-09-2004, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
well , as flyable japanes fighter i miss mostly the Ki-43-II ! the backbone of the IJAAF the whole war. unfortunatly its cockpit is very different from that of the Oscar I . so, we have to wait.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah...such planes (important and widelly used in the pacific) should be in the game...not the huge bombers (who never saw carrier)..like Oleg said, they need equal time to develop one two-engine bomber and 4-5 fighters (or torp fighters!!).....wher are those TBFs, Ki43IIs etc, who were the BACKBONE of the whole Pacific war?? havoc, b25...spending ur precious time for this (both allied) medium bombers instead for important units widelly used on carrier operations....can u answer me, in which japanese plane I would be able to drop torpedo on US carrier???
I dont undertand this....

Eraser_tr
10-09-2004, 07:42 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the Val has a torpedo. Not sure about this so don't quote me on it.

JG53Frankyboy
10-09-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
If I'm not mistaken, the Val has a torpedo. Not sure about this so don't quote me on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure, i will not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WereSnowleopard
10-09-2004, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:


Ki-44 - no one cockpit blueprints were found. Even in Japanese archives...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Oleg, Is a book: Maru Mechanic #12 not good enough? http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?KJSMM12

Or book from this: http://www.skynet-1.com/aircraft/shoki.html ?

You did great!

Regards
Snowleoaprd

major.kudou
10-09-2004, 12:10 PM
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?MDGAD26
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?MDGAD29
http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?MDGAD19

Yeah, These also good book.
These are written in both Japanese and English.
I expect to the motivation of development team!

MoritzJGOne
10-09-2004, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also, the US produced more basic amd production airframe designs than ANY other country during WW2. P-36,38,39,40,43,47,51,59,61,63 F2,F6F,F4U,F4F,F7F, F8F, yp-80 SBD,SBC, TBF,TBD, B-17,24,25,26,29,32 A-20,26 to name just some notables. The list could run into several HUUNDRED types if you start including experimentals and oneoffs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Hermann Goering said "All the Americans can do is make a nice razor blade."

IV_JG51_Razor
10-09-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
That to cover any questions, here is the full
list of PF _stand alone_ install.

* - flyable
** - became flyable very soon
*** - posible, but not sure.
**** - need still a lot of work that to make them flyable (I don't count these that are under Luthier's control.). And if we will have not enough income and time, we will skip them.

Howver to remid all: We will never take third party models if they will not match our specifications and our own 3D samples. We can't rework third party each model. Sometime is more easy to make it from zero than to rework ("correct" and "rework" here are different terms, please pay attention)...



*A-20G,
B-17D,
B-17E,
B-17F,
B-17G,
B-24J-100CF,
****B-25C-25NA,
****B-25G-1NA,
****B-25H-1NA,
*B-25J-1NA,
B-29,
*DAB Beaufighter Mk21,
Blenheim Mk.IV,
*Hurricane Mk.IIb,
*Hurricane Mk.IIc,
**F2A-2,
*F4F-3,
*F4F-4,
*FM-2,
*F4U-1A,
*F4U-1C,
*F4U-1D,
*Corsair MK.I,
*Corsair MK.II,
*Corsair MK.IV,
*F6F-3 Late,
*F6F-5,
Hawk 75A-3,
Hawk 75A-4,
*P-38J,
*P-38L,
*P-400,
*P-39D-1,
*P-39D-2,
*P-39N-1,
*Hawk 81A-2,
*P-40B,
*P-40C,
*Tomahawk Mk. IIa,
*Tomahawk Mk. IIb,
*P-40E,
*P-40M,
*P-47D-10,
*P-47D-22,
*P-47D-27,
*P-51B-NA,
*P-51C-NT,
*P-51D-5NT,
*P-51D-20NA,
*P-63C-5,
PBN Nomad,
*SBD-3,
*SBD-5,
*Seafire L.MK.III,
*Seafire F.MK.III,
*Spitfire MK. VIII,
*Spitfire MK. VIII(CW)
TBF-1,
TBF-1C,
TBM-3,
Avenger MK.III,


*A6M2,
*A6M2-21,
*A6M2-N,
*A6M3,
*A6M5,
*A6M5a,
*A6M5b,
*A6M5c,
*A6M7-62,
*A6M7-63,
B5N2,
*D3A1,
**G4M1-11,
***J2M3,
*Ki-43-Ia,
*Ki-43-Ib,
*Ki-43-Ic,
***Ki-43-II,
***Ki-43-II Kai,
Ki-46-III Kai,
Ki-46-III Kai Otsu,
Ki-46-III Recce,
*Ki-61-Ki,
*Ki-61-Hei,
*Ki-61-Otsu,
*Ki-84-Ia,
*Ki-84-Ib,
*Ki-84-Ic,
***N1K1-J,
***N1K1-Ja,
H8K1,
L2D,

At leaset on more PF theater will be available in free add-on.


Don't you think that no one of competitors had/have the same amout of aircraft as well as never modelled the close to real physics of aircraft landing, or amount of maps - theaters?
So I think complines about what we have and what need to be are not valid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
For such a short time I think we did what others simply unable to make....

For your sure.... I will never anymore do such great work for a such short time....
I didn't saw my newborn son for a two moths making final version, was many times sleeping in office!
100% it is the last case when I have so hard work, I can't live anymore without own private life. The last years was actually like I had almost nothing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

-----------------------------------------------

There's no bigger fanboy of this game than I, and I applaud Oleg and Luthier's team for their work on this project, but I must say that I am extremely disappointed at the apparent lack of any attempt to include either the TBF, or the B5N2 as flyable in the future. I can only hope that Luthier has someone working on them.

In the mean time, I will fly what they give me, and enjoy it to the max!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fliegeroffizier
10-09-2004, 03:20 PM
Salute Oleg!! Thanks for making the best WWWII Flight SIm Ever! And thanks for dropping by the forum to tell us what is going on...and ignore the whiners.

Oleg, in a sense, you brought down Gates and Microsoft, at least in this one Software Niche. Not many people can claim such a victory.

I hope you take a well-deserved Long break/vacation with your family, and that you make a very comfortable profit from PF...at least enough to buy yourself one or two of these 1/2 scale flyable Replica FW190's(you said some time ago, I believe, that the FW190 was your favorite aircraft).

http://www.warbuddies.homestead.com/files/WAR_FW-190_UK.jpg

http://www.warbuddies.homestead.com/files/1-fw-2.jpg

The War Aircraft Replicas Site (http://www.warbuddies.homestead.com/)

TX-WarHawk
10-09-2004, 03:35 PM
Hey Oleg, thanks you for clearing those things that you just explained to us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .
It's a pity that you can't trust the majority of third-party modelers and having to do most ( if not all, dunno ) the work. All that is in the retail release of PF makes me more than satisifed. I cannot realize all the work that everyone has put into it, however you all got my respect and to some extent my money http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . Being sure of the quality of that release, I can already be counted as a happy customer.

Once again...

THANK YOU

Copperhead310th
10-09-2004, 04:17 PM
Man i kinda feel bad for the 190 pilot now.
looking at this the guy looks awfull cramped in that cockpit. lol
http://www.warbuddies.homestead.com/files/1-fw-2.jpg

Da_Godfatha
10-09-2004, 04:17 PM
I am a little confused. I just downloaded a video from France Simulations, and it shows a flyable P-36/Hawk 75. Granted, the cockpit looked like a P-40, but everything I have read says the P-36 and the P-40B/C had the same pit. This plane was the reason why I bought AEP in the first place. So can someone please clarify, will it be flyable sometime this century???

BTW Mr. Maddox, great job. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ParachuteProne
10-09-2004, 04:49 PM
The AI model of Tempest is almost implemented here. The guy is making right. Now he is busy with the finalising of cockpit and I hope it will be soon.

Ju-88 is in work. This is the fist that I promised to third party to make when we will be a bit more free. However it will take anough time to finish, so the first add-on will be soon, but only with Pacific related things for both types of installs.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for stopping by to talk to us Oleg.
Can't wait for PF. Should be excellent as usual.

Just a thought - The Mosquito is finished with a cockpit I think & it did appear in the pacfic.
Would be nice to see it in one of the patches.

Mark

tank_hunter
10-09-2004, 05:04 PM
I WANT TO FLY THE B-17!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

DuxCorvan
10-09-2004, 05:40 PM
Ok. A sim about a mainly air-sea conflict without manned torpedo bombers is gonna be like a porn movie without a single -----.

Simply less immersive... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

DuxCorvan
10-09-2004, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
And (Pay attention!) we never show ourselves in development updates which isn't ready or which are just pics from third party. We show only things that WILL be in a sim. Isn't it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mmmmm, thanks Oleg. But I remember an FB/AEP 2.01 dev update where Hawk75 pics appeared among other aircraft that became flyable in that patch, such as the new Yaks and Laggs... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Eraser_tr
10-09-2004, 06:40 PM
"I am a little confused. I just downloaded a video from France Simulations, and it shows a flyable P-36/Hawk 75."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which video?

Slammin_
10-09-2004, 09:43 PM
Man, a lot of you really do suck.

sapre
10-10-2004, 01:34 AM
what is so attractive of P-36 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
It's just an infferior aircraft used in early stage of the war right?

Giganoni
10-10-2004, 04:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
what is so attractive of P-36 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
It's just an infferior aircraft used in early stage of the war right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is what makes it attractive. In PF I'm looking forward to flying the Ki-43, an aircraft that becomes inferior from the early midwar and up. (in the PTO at least, CBI It held its own for longer).

DuxCorvan
10-10-2004, 04:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
what is so attractive of P-36 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
It's just an infferior aircraft used in early stage of the war right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing. But, according to this dev. update which listed only aircraft that were to be flyable in FB 2.01 (remember that Hawk 75 was AI yet in 2.00), it should be here yet.

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development_300404.php

Besides, it would be also very useful for FB owners to have it along the other Finnish fighters. And if it's a problem about data, I wonder how the Battle of France 3rd party guys will manage to have it into BoB.

But, hey, don't stab me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I'm giving my opinion on a preview, and then I'll give it in a review. If Gamespot and Gamespy can give theirs, why should I retain my opinion on what I've seen till now? And if I must admit PF is gonna be a superb product, I think it's gonna be serious shortcomings, the main ones being the following, IMHO:

- Outbalance in the choice of aircraft for both sides.
- Lack of manned torpedo bombers in a theatre where air-sea warfare is most important.
- Hence, lack of variety in the simulated air war roles and limited choices for serious historical campaign/battle recreation.
- The decision of limiting content to avoid exceeding a very limited maximum of 2 CDs is -in the current times when 3 CD games are almost the rule- at least a very polemic decision. The chance of having the scrapped material freely downloadable from the net is a honest workaround, but it's not available to all users (there are more people with a DVD-player than with broad band internet), and can't conceal the fact it should and could be included in the retail box.
- The tendency -initiated with FB/AEP- to have offline users -and even online historical mission fans- more and more relegated on their aims and needs, to favour massive mindless dogfights. The growing park of late-war high performance fighters, the obvious lack of interest on development of ugly-and-cumbersome-but-real machines, and the 128 net-guy enhancement point in that direction.

Anyway, there are also big pros:

- Even so, and specially if you install it over FB/AEP, it is the most comprehensive and complete Pacific Air War sim never produced.
- Ability to merge with a previous product to create the best and most complete WW2 air sim ever in existence.
- Continued development and support for the mixed product, and continued collaboration between developers and 3rd party.
- Looks great and have many interesting new features.

This is no whine. I like the game and I'll buy it, and I recommend it with eyes closed to anyone who wants a good air sim experience. It's only that the product does not match all my expectations -which, I must admit, were maybe too high.

And, remember, even if you are right, I'm still more handsome... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Eraser_tr
10-10-2004, 06:11 AM
What is so attractive is that the Pre-war to very early war planes are my favorite ones.

609IAP_Recon
10-10-2004, 07:02 AM
looking forward to flying all these new aircraft - and glad to see the addon with ju8 and pe2 coming - this game just continues to get better and better - with new stuff coming to us for free later.

Thanks Oleg!

k5054
10-10-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by sapre:
what is so attractive of P-36 Confused
It's just an infferior aircraft used in early stage of the war right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actions in which the Hawk 75/p-36 took part:

French AF vs Luftwaffe 1939-40
French Vichy AF vs USN and other allied forces, op torch 1942
USAAF vs Japan, Dec 7th 1941
Dutch EI AF vs Japan
RAF vs Japan in Burma, until 1943
Finnish AF vs USSR until 1944
Chinese AF vs Japan ?
Sth African AF vs Italy/ maybe Luftwaffe

That's a pretty unique record. Another fighter which fought Italy, Japan, Germany, UK and the US? I can't think of one.

Tvrdi
10-10-2004, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
If I'm not mistaken, the Val has a torpedo. Not sure about this so don't quote me on it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Val is a dive bomber..no torpedoes in his weaponary....

Eraser_tr
10-10-2004, 01:58 PM
Hey! I said I wasn't sure and not to quote me. If the Val doesn't, maybe its the betty since that will be flyable very soon? must check up on info online.....

Tvrdi
10-10-2004, 03:45 PM
Betty is large/medium torpedo bomber,..yes...but nothing compared to the real one engine torp plane like Kate etc...

TX-WarHawk
10-10-2004, 04:05 PM
The Kate will come... someday.... but it will...

ToiletSiphonX
10-10-2004, 05:45 PM
I read that P-38's will be available if I install over Il-2... but I don't have AEP, will I get the P-38's anyway? I was really looking foward flying this plane on the pacific theater.

Eraser_tr
10-10-2004, 06:50 PM
Get AEP for sure, its great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif you probably won't be able to have the lightnings otherwise.

plumps_
10-11-2004, 12:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
you probably won't be able to have the lightnings otherwise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not true. According to Oleg's list on page five of the thread you're currently reading the P-38 and some other relevant aircraft from AEP will be in the stand alone version of PF.

Invader88
10-11-2004, 11:30 AM
Thx for taking the time to talk to us Oleg!
I'm wondering about the A-20C...will it be AI only now? it isn't in the list anymore

KAMI_1
10-12-2004, 02:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:

To you and to all...

There was ordered many third party developers... However in final we were need to make a lot of things ourselves!!!

So planned and was was accepted are diffrent things.

Say cockpit of G4M finally we do ourselves.
Most (almost all) that we got initially was reworked by Ilya, then by us.....

So these that tell us tha one or other was supposed to be in a sim are wrong. We list possible, but gives finally all that ARE there...
And (Pay attention!) we never show ourselves in development updates which isn't ready or which are just pics from third party. We show only things that WILL be in a sim. Isn't it?

Historically many third party developers where ordered.. But I would say more than half of them wasn't able to accomplish the models finally... For some models we ordered several different developers and then from all of them we didn't get right things ....

Such a picture....

Then.... I switched the whole my team to solve this situation and ordered them all to work over Pacific...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bt please don´t forget to say that the 3.rd party modelers often are not able to contact Luthier. many problems would be solved with a higher priority of contact to others.

Sure some people are a to optimistic for the projects they have promised for PF because of low skill . but don´t call them to Hell , please.

It needs a lot of time to get into your correct settings and material setups , so let them learn and understood the things.

Copperhead310th
10-12-2004, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KAMI_1:



Bt please don´t forget to say that the 3.rd party modelers often are not able to contact Luthier. many problems would be solved with a higher priority of contact to others.

Sure some people are a to optimistic for the projects they have promised for PF because of low skill . but don´t call them to Hell , please.

It needs a lot of time to get into your correct settings and material setups , so let them learn and understood the things. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true. A LOT and i mean a LOT of ppl have been unable to contact Luthier with Projects for Pacific Fighters. Even the 3rd party modelers have an almost daunting task of gettin in touch with Ilya. Send Email and never get a response. or get a response and never hear from him again. possibly why why some of the project havn't gotten completed. i tried for 4 months to get an art file to him with no luck. So don't blame the 3rd party guys. it's not all thier fault.

DuxCorvan
10-12-2004, 10:34 AM
Yeah, I remember Luthier just said 'seven' and disappeared from the forums for months. Some guys looked for him under every rock, but he only appeared in E3 pics and things like that. Most 3rd party guys who wanted to lend a hand were held apart by UBI/1C's severe NDA -or whatever is called- which prevented anyone in the project to give outer guys any info. How could the people inside gather data and help from the guys outside without giving them a clue?

So, don't blame 3rd party: to do something you have to know what you're wanted to do first.

DuxCorvan
10-12-2004, 11:40 AM
BTW, nobody asked but... where is Gibbage's PBY? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

VFA-25Apache
10-12-2004, 12:50 PM
No TBM or TBF is rediculous. A Pacific theatre and no Avenger. What are you guys smoking. yeah yeah it is ai but not flyable for us. That just makes me sad.

VF_29_Bulldog
10-12-2004, 02:24 PM
Will wait patiantly for the addons to get my Avenger...happy with the list as it is. Nice jobs gents and Oleg-spend so time with the family-otherwise you will not recognize your own kids.
JOhn

avimimus
10-12-2004, 02:38 PM
Luthier is a great man and an old heroe of the community who has been involved since the late '90s. But his management of 3rd party projects was never that good.

If we had had someone else (with more time) organising and handling communications with modelers we could have easily seen quite a few more projects finished.

He or Oleg should probably recruit a few volunteers from the community to streamline feedback and answering of questions as well as modeling.

Copperhead310th
10-12-2004, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by avimimus:
Luthier is a great man and an old heroe of the community who has been involved since the late '90s. But his management of 3rd party projects was never that good.

If we had had someone else (with more time) organising and handling communications with modelers we could have easily seen quite a few more projects finished.

He or Oleg should probably recruit a few volunteers from the community to streamline feedback and answering of questions as well as modeling. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have nothing but time for the next few months while i recover from surgery. I'll gladly volenteer my time to Oleg if he needs the help free of charge. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(well...or at least a free IL-2 T-Shirt. Autographed of course. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Tvrdi
10-12-2004, 06:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-25Apache:
No TBM or TBF is rediculous. A Pacific theatre and no Avenger. What are you guys smoking. yeah yeah it is ai but not flyable for us. That just makes me sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and can u imagine, they need equal time for developing a B25 (or Havoc) and for developing 4-5 single engined (TBF, Kate etc included)...that makes me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

who will fly in b25 in carrier ops? only b25 freaks

p1ngu666
10-12-2004, 08:16 PM
well luther is very hard to get in touch with, often impossible. MANY MANY people gave up their work because of no feedback, how do they know someone is not doing same, or there stuff is good enuff, or if its even used.
i know 1 modeler who says his model was nicked off him (wasnt paid) will haveto wait till i get pf to confirm..

another struggled to get paid for his work, hadto take on other work just to avoid eviction... (btw these are some of the best modders and guys ive met)

plus countless others. 1c need a PR person, much as i hate to say PR person http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif cos of what there normaly like.

planeset will be improved in patches, shame they didnt just use a 3rd cd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Lateralus_14
10-13-2004, 12:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-25Apache:
No TBM or TBF is rediculous. A Pacific theatre and no Avenger. What are you guys smoking. yeah yeah it is ai but not flyable for us. That just makes me sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and can u imagine, they need equal time for developing a B25 (or Havoc) and for developing 4-5 single engined (TBF, Kate etc included)...that makes me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

who will fly in b25 in carrier ops? only b25 freaks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PF isn't exclusively carrier operations. There are several maps with land bases, so the B-25 will be used extensively. The community has been clamoring for a medium bomber for a long time, so it was high time one came along. I know myself, and many others I'm sure, are looking forward to loading up a group of B-25s with some 500lbers and wrecking a Japanese airfield.

Tvrdi
10-13-2004, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lateralus_14:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-25Apache:
No TBM or TBF is rediculous. A Pacific theatre and no Avenger. What are you guys smoking. yeah yeah it is ai but not flyable for us. That just makes me sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and can u imagine, they need equal time for developing a B25 (or Havoc) and for developing 4-5 single engined (TBF, Kate etc included)...that makes me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

who will fly in b25 in carrier ops? only b25 freaks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PF isn't _exclusively_ carrier operations. There are several maps with land bases, so the B-25 will be used extensively. The community has been clamoring for a medium bomber for a long time, so it was high time one came along. I know myself, and many others I'm sure, are looking forward to loading up a group of B-25s with some 500lbers and wrecking a Japanese airfield. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, for most of us I think, real pleasure is to torp a ship in one engine torp fighter/bomber..anyway Im happy we even got PF...

plumps_
10-13-2004, 02:54 PM
I don't think that it's a pleasure to fly to the target for some hours just to be shot down that easily...

Torpedo planes were often the victims while dive bombers scored the hits. Torpedo planes were much slower, so they were exposed to AAA much longer.

Maybe they were left out to spare us the frustration...

aminx
10-13-2004, 05:35 PM
having followed carefully the development of the game on the forum since the start, i was getting rude replies to my questions such as "torp bombers list" from one of the main developers all the time which i found strange,i also noticed that there was something wrong somewhere because of the disaray at the il2 development forum at Netwings,as a matter of fact its dead.now i understand why.A lot of energy has gone to waste,i really hope they get their act together(managing resources).
aminx

Slammin_
10-13-2004, 11:04 PM
Maybe they are just too tired of the bs.

cmw1980
10-14-2004, 06:41 AM
All you whiners, just think about this!!!
I have to leave home in a couple of days and will be working away for a coupla months or so. I was really looking foreward to the release date and pre-ordered it, but dont even know when I'll see it.
It looks great Oleg, well done. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Baco-ECV56
10-14-2004, 10:55 AM
Oleg: Thanks indeed.
PF is a grate sim. I will enjoy it a lot.

I wish you can have a lot of time with your familly, but also hope that you get back to work on January so you can give us some more goodies in 2005.

Maybe you can leave Ilya in charged of PF add-ons, and give us a payd Add-On or tow during 2005.

And: is your list final? meaning we will not see the Hawk 75 in PF`s engine?

Just asking, if the answer is no, well so be it. After all NOBADY can complain about PF. It´s a hell of a goood SIM as it is.

My interest in the P36 is that besides the Corsair (F4U-D5 and 5N/NL actually) is the onlly other aircraft tha my country flew before we got the Meteors an then the Sabres.

Anyway Thanks a lot Maddox, you have a very happy customer And a very loyal fan here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

DuxCorvan
10-14-2004, 02:45 PM
I'm certain that P-36 cockpit is in factory now, and I suspect who's making it. I think is not in time because of precise data lacking. But I hold on my hopes.

After all, as far as 1C exists -which is my main concern- I'm sure we'll have enhancements for Il-2 inheritance and BoB -which I hope to see the light.

ZG77_Nagual
10-14-2004, 05:21 PM
Was expecting some early p38 variants.

Beauty list though - no complaints here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You guys have done a fabulous job!

rrimell
10-15-2004, 08:29 AM
To those bemoaning the lack of an Avenger.here's a tip from a tyro simmer.Download PF over AEP;select IL-2T from the flyable list;skin it in Midnite Blue;sprinkle a few stars-Hey Presto!A WW2 USN Torpedo bomber.Seriously guys,the name of the game is Pacific FIGHTERS-the clue is in the title.....

Jason Bourne
10-15-2004, 08:31 AM
Oleg, i personally would like to thank you for the time and energy you and your team have poured into this project. I hope that you guys take a little vacation from work after the realease. oh, and when will we see the Netwings Aircraft?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VF-2_John_Banks
10-15-2004, 12:16 PM
I thought that Luthier said that all current US planes, will also be a part of PF when you install it as a stand alone game. WHich would make sense as all these planes operated in the Pacific, like the P-38 or Stang.
Now i am reading on the first page that these planes will only be available, if i install it into FB:AEP. WTF! Is that true or only a typo?

TX-WarHawk
10-15-2004, 04:52 PM
This makes sense in one way: make people buy that FB:AEP + PF pack, so they get more $$$. You know, if the customer wants all those planes that were in the pacific, but aren't in PF, they end up buying FB:AEP too, more $$$.

Destraex
10-16-2004, 12:59 AM
This is gonna be great. Can anybody tell me if all the sturmovik A/C will be flyable on the PF maps?

Shame about the Betty for now though, and the Torpedo bombers.

Maximus_G
10-18-2004, 05:20 PM
The planes of Imperial Japanese Air Force (just basic types):

Ki-15
Ki-21
Ki-27
Ki-30
Ki-36/55
**Ki-43
Ki-44
*Ki-46
Ki-48
Ki-51
**Ki-61
Ki-57
Ki-67
**Ki-84.
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* - present in the original list
** - present in the original list, (planned or presumed) flyable.

Who knows what that means, will understand my feelings.

Just will be keeping my fingers crossed to see at least 4 more stars in this list, one day...

Pappy113
10-20-2004, 02:45 PM
first off i want to thank oleg and everyone that has contributed to the pf project.

ok here is my 2 cents. To me if you are going to make simulation, which pacific fighters is, you need to include the aircraft from the entire thearter, not just the late high performance fighters. i am very disappointed at the fact of some of the commonwealth aircraft that arent even talked about for the game. the wirraway, boomerang and some of the dutch planes. Yes the us planes are the cash cow of this game, but ifyou are going to worry about such historic accuracy, i do not believe you can simple ignore entire countries airforces that were engulfed in the war in the pacific. understandable the resources are not there for some of the planes, and nothing can be done there. my grandfather was a mechanic during ww2 and in his possesions when he died, were 5 full albums of ww2 plane and interior pics. He has pictures of even some planes i am sure there arent any references for, including the p36, and some of the real early war planes.

i am more the willing to give anything i can to the project for future planes and such. if we cant get some of the planes so be it, i will fly what is there and enjoy it immensly, but i am hoping and praying that we will be able to reanact the early war dogfights and bombing that some many airmen fought in and that really affected the war in the pacific before the late war planes showed up.

my email is sully123@earthlink.net, anything i can do or if you need any pics on some planes give me a yell and i will go through the albums. last time i checked i think he had exterior and interior pics for about 50 aircraft.

thank you all