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woofiedog
09-28-2006, 06:08 AM
Woman tried as €˜Tokyo Rose€ dies in Chicago
Iva Toguri, 90, was jailed for aiding Japanese in WWII and later pardoned

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Iva Toguri D'Aquino, accused of being "Tokyo Rose," is escorted from Federal Court by U.S. Deputy Marshal Herbert Cole in San Francisco, Calif., on Sept. 29, 1949.

Updated: 7:44 p.m. ET Sept 27, 2006
CHICAGO - An American woman convicted of treason and later pardoned for being €œTokyo Rose,€ one of several radio announcers Japan used during World War II to spew propaganda to undermine American morale, has died, a Chicago hospital said Wednesday.

Iva Toguri, 90, died Tuesday from undisclosed causes, a hospital spokesman said.

She was convicted of treason in 1949 based on suspect testimony that she was the legendary €œseductress of the short wave€ who had sought to persuade American soldiers to surrender because their cause was lost and their girlfriends were deserting them at home.

She served more than six years in prison, though many historians believe she was not one of the dozen announcers dubbed €œTokyo Rose€ by American soldiers, who mostly laughed off the surrender appeals.

Toguri did work as an announcer for the €œZero Hour€ program on Radio Tokyo, but mostly played jazz records and uttered facetious comments meant to bolster, not weaken, American resolve, say historians.

The only other American woman convicted of treason was Mildred Gellers, known as €œAxis Sally€ as a broadcaster for Germany.

Links:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15035306/

http://users.rlc.net/catfish/liberatorcrew/11_Axis%20Sally.htm

woofiedog
09-28-2006, 06:08 AM
Woman tried as €˜Tokyo Rose€ dies in Chicago
Iva Toguri, 90, was jailed for aiding Japanese in WWII and later pardoned

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060927/060927_tokyoRose_vmed_4p.widec.jpg
Iva Toguri D'Aquino, accused of being "Tokyo Rose," is escorted from Federal Court by U.S. Deputy Marshal Herbert Cole in San Francisco, Calif., on Sept. 29, 1949.

Updated: 7:44 p.m. ET Sept 27, 2006
CHICAGO - An American woman convicted of treason and later pardoned for being €œTokyo Rose,€ one of several radio announcers Japan used during World War II to spew propaganda to undermine American morale, has died, a Chicago hospital said Wednesday.

Iva Toguri, 90, died Tuesday from undisclosed causes, a hospital spokesman said.

She was convicted of treason in 1949 based on suspect testimony that she was the legendary €œseductress of the short wave€ who had sought to persuade American soldiers to surrender because their cause was lost and their girlfriends were deserting them at home.

She served more than six years in prison, though many historians believe she was not one of the dozen announcers dubbed €œTokyo Rose€ by American soldiers, who mostly laughed off the surrender appeals.

Toguri did work as an announcer for the €œZero Hour€ program on Radio Tokyo, but mostly played jazz records and uttered facetious comments meant to bolster, not weaken, American resolve, say historians.

The only other American woman convicted of treason was Mildred Gellers, known as €œAxis Sally€ as a broadcaster for Germany.

Links:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15035306/

http://users.rlc.net/catfish/liberatorcrew/11_Axis%20Sally.htm

Arm_slinger
09-28-2006, 06:14 AM
I never knew she started off as an American. Learn something new each day.

Waldo.Pepper
09-28-2006, 06:31 AM
Two tears in a bucket.

Feathered_IV
09-28-2006, 06:49 AM
Odd that Shiro Iishi, who masterminded Japan's chemical and biological warfare division got off scot-free and was shielded from prosecution with a cushy job in the US after the war.

Everybody wants to hang the DJ.

VF51_Flatspin
09-28-2006, 08:31 AM
Read carefully: she was pardoned and historians believe she is NOT "Tokyo Rose". She probably got caught up in the after-war ferver to find war criminals.

Haigotron
09-28-2006, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Odd that Shiro Iishi, who masterminded Japan's chemical and biological warfare division got off scot-free and was shielded from prosecution with a cushy job in the US after the war.

Everybody wants to hang the DJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wernher von Braun comes to mind also no?

BSS_AIJO
09-28-2006, 09:11 AM
Hey.

Over the years I have shopped at the Toguri department store on more than numerous occasions. Heck, Iva helped me pick out the 5 dollar wok that I still use. I knew her for years as the helpful old woman who was occasionally behind the counter. It was not until an NPR special two summers ago that I knew *who* she was. From what I got to know of her I have a hell of a time lumping her in with the Tokyo Rose's. This quote is much more believable.

"Toguri did work as an announcer for the €œZero Hour€ program on Radio Tokyo, but mostly played jazz records and uttered facetious comments meant to bolster, not weaken, American resolve, say historians."

Its kind of sad in more than one way. Iva has passed on. Which is sad because she was pretty cool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Its also sad because apparently J.Toguri's has shut down, and annoyingly enough I am out of the expensive green tea I bought there that is amazingly tasty, and I have no idea what its name really is since I dont speak or read Japanees http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Also, I my current pair of cloth kung-fu slippers are nearing the point where I can see through them. I think they are the only place I have bought them for the last *eek* 20 years now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I think she was just really good at being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If we want to take a dump on some nationals for colluding with the enemy, we should look to ones that had a real impact.


BSS_AIJO

PBNA-Boosher
09-28-2006, 09:26 AM
We'll miss you 'Tokyo Rose!'

RCAF_Irish_403
09-28-2006, 12:44 PM
I've read on many occasions how the "Tokyo Rose" broadcasts actually helped Allied moral during the war by playing Big Band records and giving sports scores.

thx for posting this

Feathered_IV
09-28-2006, 06:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Odd that Shiro Iishi, who masterminded Japan's chemical and biological warfare division got off scot-free and was shielded from prosecution with a cushy job in the US after the war.

Everybody wants to hang the DJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wernher von Braun comes to mind also no? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Iishi was in a different league to von Braun though. He was pretty much out of control and had what ammounted to his own private army. He tested his chemical and biological weapons quite extensively on Chinese and Korean civilians. Instead of being prosecuted for his war crimes, his 'marketable' experience in WMD's earned him a new life in the west after the war.

ANGELOFMONS1
09-28-2006, 07:16 PM
Realpolitik

Enforcer572005
09-28-2006, 07:28 PM
Yeah, she was caught in japan when war broke out, and didnt hvae much choice. She made such corny absurd statements that nobody could possibly take her seriously, and her music choices were popular with western soldiers. She should have been decorated, not prosecuted, but as usual, politicos used labeling to make her a boogeyman, like they do now (ill protect your children, vote for me blah blah). Countless people in the US are still having their lives destroyed by labeling and villification, as it purchases huge amounts of political capital, and convinces people to give up their rights in exchange for "security". The state knew all this, but still did this to her. I admire the woman myself.

Akronnick
09-28-2006, 10:39 PM
The American POWs who were acting as her producers testified that they convinced her to "cooperate" with the Japanese so that they could undermine the Japanese propoganda effort. She was investigated by the FBI and after the war and they originally decided not to procecute. It was only after Walter Winchell criticized this decision that she was charged.
She was convicted on testimony from witnesses who later stated on 60 Minutes that they commited perjury undre pressure from prosecuters. She was give a ful pardon from President Ford.

It seems to me that ahe was guilty of nothing more than having parents who were born in Japan. Unfortuneatly that was enough at that time, not only for her but for the thousands of Japanese Americans who were interred during the war. The 1940's were not a good time to be a Japanese American.

Esel1964
09-28-2006, 11:21 PM
My father-in-law was on an LCI(L) that the crew took over in Boston(the shipyard-it was new),and sailed down the Atlantic coast to the Panama Canal,then on to San Diego.
After a brief respite there they were on to Pearl Harbor.
He said that's where he first heard Tokyo Rose;he says they played better swing music than the U.S. stations,so they'd occasionally listen-but he was a motor mech.(MoMM),so he couldn't hear much radio.
They left Pearl alone he said,and other than an occasional supply ship never saw any other ships(this is very late in the war).

Anyway,he said there were only a couple of fellas on the boat,that were worried by what "Rose" had to say.

I guess going half-way around the planet on a flat-bottom,158' ship in the open Pacific might drive anyone to question things.I don't know,thankfully.They arrived in Tokyo after the "bombs" had ended the war,so,it was occupation duty.

He did manage to 'liberate' a rising sun flag w/ post-production Japanese writing on it,and a mint condition Arisaka 38 rifle w/ bayonet,sheath,and frog-and the chrysanthemum is untouched.
Both,thanks to my wife,are in my gun safe.A bow for the Mrs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif for pulling that one off.

I side-tracked myself,what I was basically saying,was T. Rose apparently only affected those that were already susceptible to propaganda,due to prolonged hardship,harsh conditions,etc.

Pirschjaeger
09-29-2006, 12:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Odd that Shiro Iishi, who masterminded Japan's chemical and biological warfare division got off scot-free and was shielded from prosecution with a cushy job in the US after the war.

Everybody wants to hang the DJ. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wernher von Braun comes to mind also no? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Leni Riefenstahl.

Ob.Emann
09-29-2006, 12:27 AM
Can anyone tell me why she's being escorted by Gregory Peck in that photo? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Feathered_IV
09-29-2006, 12:51 AM
I'm pretty sure that's Roosevelt, after he faked his death, got a new set of pins and danced to a lot of swing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Thanatos833
09-29-2006, 05:20 AM
An unfortunate case of a pawn in a war between 2 powers.

PikeBishop
09-29-2006, 08:01 AM
Dear All,
Tell me why Lord Haw Haw was hung and all these bloody women got away with it........it smacks of sexism here..........

Best regards,
SLP

rcocean
09-29-2006, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PikeBishop:
Dear All,
Tell me why Lord Haw Haw was hung and all these bloody women got away with it........it smacks of sexism here..........

Best regards,
SLP </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree. In any case, I think the death penalty for radio commentary is a little extreme. From what I've read Joyce was actually Irish and lived in the USA for a while. Wonder why the British hated him so much. Like Tokyo Rose, all he did was talk.

Thanatos833
09-29-2006, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Joyce was actually Irish </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Isn't that enough reason for animosity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Feathered_IV
09-29-2006, 11:11 AM
For Joyce? Probably. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

horseback
09-29-2006, 11:22 AM
As I understand it, the difference in Lord Haw Haw and this particular alleged Tokyo Rose is that Lord Haw Haw eagerly supported the other side, and actively sought to aid their propaganda and psychological warfare efforts. w

On the other hand, this woman (in her late teens/early twenties) was caught in Japan at the war's outbreak while visiting relatives, and because of her Japanese heritage was expected to be a loyal Japanese. On the plus side, she was not subjected to the maltreatment most enemy civilians received from the Japanese, but on the minus column, she had to walk an ethical tightrope.

I do not envy her, nor would I presume to judge her.

cheers

horseback

Wtornado_439th
09-29-2006, 12:15 PM
You are pretty bloody cheap with just one dog picture in this thread Mr Woofie dog.

I was dissapointed when I see your name and came in to see just one pic!

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woofiedog
09-29-2006, 12:24 PM
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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
09-29-2006, 03:07 PM
LMAO Careful what you wish for Tornado

Thanks for the info Woofie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Wtornado_439th
09-30-2006, 04:04 PM
Ty Mr woofie dog I feel better now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sergio_101
09-30-2006, 05:32 PM
Shiro Iishi..............Germ and chem warfare should have hanged for human testing.
Wernher von Braun........SS Colonel, should never have been allowed to enter the US, also a war criminal.
And Leni Riefenstahl.....Wanted to ba an actress. Most important film maker of the 20th century.
Iva Toguri..............."Tokyo Rose" or more accurately one of the Tokyo Roses.

Iva Toguri carries the least baggage of all of them.

Leni Riefenstahl is a childhood hero to me. A wonderful lady of tremendous talent.
Without her the NAZI regiem may never of reached it's goal of total control over Germany.
Leni was blackballed by all the post war film makers, and justly so.

That Wernher von Braun and Shiro Iishi did the United States a great service is not in doubt.
Neither is the unspeakable evil of their past deeds. before you say that Von Braun
was not a war criminal, think of this, he was a Colonel in the SS. You had to be a special
kind of murderer/sadist to be SS.

Iva Toguri, I doubt a single WWII vet sheds a tear.

Remember folks, Propaganda was a weapon.

Sergio