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Xiolablu3
08-22-2007, 02:25 PM
WHen I said to my 62 year old Dad today, England play Germany tonight, but its only a Freindly, I recieved the reply -

'Theres no such thing as a 'Friendly' between England and Germany at football...'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


2:1 to Germany so far, good match!

Xiolablu3
08-22-2007, 02:25 PM
WHen I said to my 62 year old Dad today, England play Germany tonight, but its only a Freindly, I recieved the reply -

'Theres no such thing as a 'Friendly' between England and Germany at football...'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


2:1 to Germany so far, good match!

I.JG53_Steuben
08-22-2007, 03:20 PM
Yes and the Result is : England 1 Germany 2

Now England have to rebuild the Wembley stadion again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6869238,00.html
Anglosaxons ....Prepare yourself for a big amount of Schadenfreude http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Longpo
08-22-2007, 03:41 PM
Was a hell of a strike by Pander.

Scotland also won tonight so not a bad night overall http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hoenire
08-22-2007, 04:28 PM
The Germans were overmodelled and Robinson was porked....

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
08-22-2007, 05:05 PM
"Just try not to mention the war."

(a cookie to whoever gets that reference)

F19_Orheim
08-22-2007, 05:21 PM
+1 cookie for mehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brain32
08-22-2007, 05:42 PM
I don't understand what is happening with English football national selection for the past couple of years, but this year it suits me fine, as we are in the same group for qualification for the Euro 2008 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HuninMunin
08-22-2007, 05:52 PM
Me gets a cookie too.

crucislancer
08-22-2007, 06:01 PM
In 2000 I was in Budapest just as the Euro Championships were starting. I caught a England-Germany match in this huge tent near Hero's Square, and I saw the rivalry first hand. Plenty of German and British tourists and expats in attendance. No fights broke out, but it got pretty heated between tables. Fortunately I was hanging out with some British expats, since my German sucks and my Hungarian is even worse! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ok, the "Just don't mention the War" quote sounds really familiar. What's it from?

Copperhead310th
08-22-2007, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
WHen I said to my 62 year old Dad today, England play Germany tonight, but its only a Freindly, I recieved the reply -

'Theres no such thing as a 'Friendly' between England and Germany at football...'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


2:1 to Germany so far, good match! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bAAAA rOFL LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

that's not FOOTBALL. lol it's Soccer! lol
THIS IS FOOTBAAAALLL! (http://www.rolltidebama.com/)

Longers
08-22-2007, 07:11 PM
(don't mention the war)..

.. I might have mentioned it once but I think I got away with it ...

DKoor
08-22-2007, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
I don't understand what is happening with English football national selection for the past couple of years, but this year it suits me fine, as we are in the same group for qualification for the Euro 2008 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>They bring all the best around the world in the League.....soo.....they do all the hard work.

J/K.

But there's definitely something in that...if there's too much strangers, domestic players wont get many chances.....

BTW tonight's display with 8 goals was certainly encouraging.

csThor
08-22-2007, 10:03 PM
[acid irony]

Sorry Copperhead, but you're mistaken. What you posted is heavily optimized advertizement rudely interrupted by ungrateful brats in body armor in a game whose rules can't be understand outside of the US and without heavy consume of that horse p*ss sold as "Budweiser". I mean the "foot" and "ball" connection doesn't make sense at all - you've got an egg-shaped something and the feet are used in about 10% of the game's time.

[/acid irony]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Waldo.Pepper
08-22-2007, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">(a cookie to whoever gets that reference) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gee I think you just gave away a bag of cookies with that one.

"Do Jimmy Cagney Instead!"

K_Freddie
08-23-2007, 12:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Just try not to mention the war." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"She's crying now, You started it.."
"No, we did not !!!"
"Yes you did...
"No.. You invaded Poland."
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
08-23-2007, 12:41 AM
Fawlty Towers just never gets old. Most comedy ages but htat never does.

The best thing sbout it is that a lot of dumb English people think that he is mocking the Germans, when actually hes mocking the English upper class twits... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbeT7_ARm8

Xiolablu3
08-23-2007, 01:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
I don't understand what is happening with English football national selection for the past couple of years, but this year it suits me fine, as we are in the same group for qualification for the Euro 2008 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


England has never been that great at football, really.

There was a Golden age with Alf Ramsey around mid 1960's where we beat Brazil and Germany a lot, but nowadays Germany/Brazil/Argentia/Italy are just in a class above.

I realise England maybe scrape into the top 10 footballing nations as far as national team goes, but we are nowhere near the top, IMO.

We have some great players such as Beckham/Rooney/Gerrard etc. But not enough. If there are injuries and one of these players is out, there is a gaping hole in th team, whereas other nations have a full team plus subs of great players.

A lot of ENglish people love the game more than life itself, but I think they realise our National team is not in the top class.


I was glad Lampard scored, as he was getting booed the last few games for his lack of contribtution.

Capt.LoneRanger
08-23-2007, 02:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
WHen I said to my 62 year old Dad today, England play Germany tonight, but its only a Freindly, I recieved the reply -

'Theres no such thing as a 'Friendly' between England and Germany at football...'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


2:1 to Germany so far, good match! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually if he is a football-fan, he probably quoted Beckham, who himself quoted Diego before that last match:

"On the field, there is no such thing as a friendly match."

Guess his own feeling were mixed into that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
08-23-2007, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
WHen I said to my 62 year old Dad today, England play Germany tonight, but its only a Freindly, I recieved the reply -

'Theres no such thing as a 'Friendly' between England and Germany at football...'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


2:1 to Germany so far, good match! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually if he is a football-fan, he probably quoted Beckham, who himself quoted Diego before that last match:

"On the field, there is no such thing as a friendly match."

Guess his own feeling were mixed into that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I didnt actually delve into the psychological aspects of my Fathers Psyche.

I just laughed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stanford-ukded
08-23-2007, 02:59 AM
McClown is an incompetent fool.

Warrington_Wolf
08-23-2007, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">(a cookie to whoever gets that reference) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gee I think you just gave away a bag of cookies with that one.

"Do Jimmy Cagney Instead!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't want cookies I want
Two egg mayonnaises
A prawn Goebbels
A Herman Goering
and four Colditz salads.

ploughman
08-23-2007, 05:00 AM
Still, bloody nice stadium those Aussies bought and built us, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BGs_Ricky
08-23-2007, 05:02 AM
"The Prawn cocktail!!"
"Oh Prawn!! That was it, when you said prawn, I thought you said war !!"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Xiolablu3
08-23-2007, 05:06 AM
One of my favourites is when there is supposed to be a fire drill but he rings the wrong bell. (the burglar alarm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-LYnIvbAPs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhPa1s5s5A

MEGILE
08-23-2007, 05:11 AM
Good game Ze Germans.

Bewolf
08-23-2007, 05:30 AM
Pity the british booed of the german anthem once again. But I guess that was to be expected.

That aside, neat match. I really do not get why the british perform so bad when it comes to tournaments, though. The players themselves one should consider world class. But what maybe lacks is a real team spirit, and ppl putting their own egos down and commit themselves to the team. Maybe it also has to do that the actual players choice appears not to be made by common sense, but by the british sensationalism tabloid press.

That aside, it's good to see good ole new Wembley still likes us, hehe

Bewolf
08-23-2007, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
WHen I said to my 62 year old Dad today, England play Germany tonight, but its only a Freindly, I recieved the reply -

'Theres no such thing as a 'Friendly' between England and Germany at football...'

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


2:1 to Germany so far, good match! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bAAAA rOFL LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

that's not FOOTBALL. lol it's Soccer! lol
THIS IS FOOTBAAAALLL! (http://www.rolltidebama.com/) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What he said? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

MEGILE
08-23-2007, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
Pity the british booed of the german anthem once again. But I guess that was to be expected.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

******s. Every last one of them.
Kind of guys who only love england, when it's time to insult another country at a football match.

Bremspropeller
08-23-2007, 05:39 AM
Copperhead, our's is Football, yours is Sucker. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

crucislancer
08-23-2007, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Fawlty Towers just never gets old. Most comedy ages but htat never does.

The best thing sbout it is that a lot of dumb English people think that he is mocking the Germans, when actually hes mocking the English upper class twits... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbeT7_ARm8 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, yes. I've watched it a few times. Really funny show. John Cleese rocks.

WOLFMondo
08-23-2007, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:

That aside, neat match. I really do not get why the british perform so bad when it comes to tournaments, though. The players themselves one should consider world class. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its the manager. England just cannot get a good manager. The players are great, some of the best in the world. Its always been that way.

stanford-ukded
08-23-2007, 08:21 AM
Bewolf - they're scum. Simple as that.

Bewolf
08-23-2007, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:

That aside, neat match. I really do not get why the british perform so bad when it comes to tournaments, though. The players themselves one should consider world class. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its the manager. England just cannot get a good manager. The players are great, some of the best in the world. Its always been that way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That may be the problem though. Ever thought about taking unknown but promising young players, merge them into one team and drill them as long as it takes to make them act like one before they get superstar attitudes?

It worked for us, after all, and I do not consider the british in any way worse then our players in general.

Jaws2002
08-23-2007, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:


that's not FOOTBALL. lol it's Soccer! lol
THIS IS FOOTBAAAALLL! (http://www.rolltidebama.com/) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry Copperhead.
When people were playing FOOTBALL, USA wasn't even invented. Not to even mention it's sports. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

trumper
08-23-2007, 12:54 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif The problem with the England team is that the Premiership has a huge amount of foreigners playing in the first teams.I think Arsenal did'nt field an english player the other season so the english talent is'nt being pushed through.

Xiolablu3
08-23-2007, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
Pity the british booed of the german anthem once again. But I guess that was to be expected.

That aside, neat match. I really do not get why the british perform so bad when it comes to tournaments, though. The players themselves one should consider world class. But what maybe lacks is a real team spirit, and ppl putting their own egos down and commit themselves to the team. Maybe it also has to do that the actual players choice appears not to be made by common sense, but by the british sensationalism tabloid press.

That aside, it's good to see good ole new Wembley still likes us, hehe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Its not Britain, its England!!! YOu would get shot in Glasgow or Ireland for calling that mob British http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I think it actually seems more serious than it actually is. I suspect a lot of the people booing are doing it with a smile on their face and a tongue in their cheek, as in 'Germans are the baddies' sort of thing. Dads with their kids 'Lets boo the naughty Germans from WW2' so to speak. If most of them met a German person they would be respectful and friendly.

Disrespectful nevertheless, but remember it is 'the mob mentaility' after all. The few that actually mean it havent got 2 brain cells to rub togther.

Bewolf
08-23-2007, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Its not Britain, its England!!! YOu would get shot in Glasgow or Ireland for calling that mob British http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My apologies. I am certainly aware its England and not britian. Just a matter of habits. My mistake.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I think it actually seems more serious than it actually is. I suspect a lot of the people booing are doing it with a smile on their face and a tongue in their cheek, as in 'Germans are the baddies' sort of thing. Dads with their kids 'Lets boo the naughty Germans from WW2' so to speak. If most of them met a German person they would be respectful and friendly.

Disrespectful nevertheless, but remember it is 'the mob mentaility' after all. The few that actually mean it havent got 2 brain cells to rub togther. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, so its a matter of friendly tradition, yes?
For some odd and unknown reason I had another impression. Megile and Stanford's remarks initially made more sense to me. One never learns out.

Copperhead310th
08-23-2007, 07:21 PM
Well lets see. ...
England lost it's best player to the US....
Hmmmmmm why was that? CAUSE HIS WIFE MADE HIM! rofl.
Wow how manlly. About as manly as manly as those dainty lil short shorts they wear.
and shoulder pads being called "body armour" is laghable at best. and anyone who thinks getting hit full speed by a 340 pound defencive lineman in full pads don't hurt.....is Nucking Futs.
Just ask Brett Farve. lol
Theres a reason why they have to ware that "body armor". and the reason is if they didn't THEY WOULD BE KILLED!. Worst thing i ever heard of to happen to a soccer player is a skined up knee or a mild concution from getting kicked in the head. Honstly when was the last time that some one died at a soccer match? well besides one the schizofrenetic fans in the bleachers. i mean WOW! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

HuninMunin
08-23-2007, 07:27 PM
You really need someone from overseas to state that Beckham is Englands best player http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
08-23-2007, 07:54 PM
I'm impressed...some of you have a fairly wide set of cultural knowledge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nicely done!

Tooz_69GIAP
08-23-2007, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Well lets see. ...
England lost it's best player to the US....
Hmmmmmm why was that? CAUSE HIS WIFE MADE HIM! rofl.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a feeling the $125 million over 5 years might have had something to do with it as well!

mhuxt
08-24-2007, 02:13 AM
I normally only post in Mosquito threads, however since the last World Cup I feel compelled to admit the following:

All of the players involved in Soccer/Football are hairstyle-obsessed, prima-donna, fake-diving, playing-for-the-draw, teeny-tiny-delicate-as-daisies, self-centred, penalty-shoot-out-loving, won't-break-a-sweat-until-the-75th-minute, need-to-get-in-touch-with-their-masculine-sides ******s.

That is all.

Xiolablu3
08-24-2007, 03:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Its not Britain, its England!!! YOu would get shot in Glasgow or Ireland for calling that mob British http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My apologies. I am certainly aware its England and not britian. Just a matter of habits. My mistake.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I think it actually seems more serious than it actually is. I suspect a lot of the people booing are doing it with a smile on their face and a tongue in their cheek, as in 'Germans are the baddies' sort of thing. Dads with their kids 'Lets boo the naughty Germans from WW2' so to speak. If most of them met a German person they would be respectful and friendly.

Disrespectful nevertheless, but remember it is 'the mob mentaility' after all. The few that actually mean it havent got 2 brain cells to rub togther. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, so its a matter of friendly tradition, yes?
For some odd and unknown reason I had another impression. Megile and Stanford's remarks initially made more sense to me. One never learns out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not trying to defend their actions, it was lame - no defence, just trying to explain them and hope I am right. (If I am not then we havent learned a thing)

I am not saying its tradition, just that over here on TV around half the programs we see about Germany are about WW2 on Discovery/History etc.

Ask Ricky Gervais :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3m0qKiY_Ek

Basically we learn on our History and Discovery channel about 2 things

SHarks and Nazis.

Phil_K
08-24-2007, 06:06 AM
England fans generally boo every opposing country's national anthem, not just Germany. It's a bit pathetic, but then I've always thought that being a football fan is an excuse for emotional regression.

Maybe it's just my perception, but I think the anti-German feeling has declined a lot in England over the last few years. That match appeared to be a lot less intense than many of the previous ones I've seen.

Germany v Netherlands seems to be a much more fractious encounter. The dislike seems to extend to the players themselves, which rarely happens during England/Germany matches where both sets of players generally seem to be respectful. They don't spit at each other, for example.

Phil_K
08-24-2007, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:

That aside, neat match. I really do not get why the british perform so bad when it comes to tournaments, though. The players themselves one should consider world class. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its the manager. England just cannot get a good manager. The players are great, some of the best in the world. Its always been that way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Naaahh. It's the players. You could get the best manager in the world and England still wouldn't win anything.

Basically, English players are bottlers. Whenever they come up against a real test (esp. penalty shoot outs) they lose their nerve.

Spain have the same problem. They've had some great managers in the past, but their players lose their nerve very quickly as well.

Xiolablu3
08-24-2007, 07:36 AM
I will probably get slated for this, but I believe Sven Goran Erikson was the best manager England have had for a long time.

He did very well with the team that he had, and seemed to me to be a likable bloke. The players seemed to love him and believe in his style.

He got far too much stick while in the job.

Didnt he take England to the world cup quarter finals where we lost to Brazil? and also the Euro Quarters where we lost on Penalties?

He has won his first 3 games with Man City and I am sure he will take them to great things. I was sad to see him go.

Funny to see Mclaren (new England Manager) resorting to Svens old tactics and players too when everything went wrong for him! I would much ratehr still have Sven than Mclaren, I mean whats Mclaren ever done really whcih warrents him being England manager?

Compare him to Alex Ferguson, Mourino or Sven and I dont rate him at all.

Xiolablu3
08-24-2007, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Well lets see. ...
England lost it's best player to the US....
Hmmmmmm why was that? CAUSE HIS WIFE MADE HIM! rofl.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a feeling the $125 million over 5 years might have had something to do with it as well! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He went to SPain years ago, he still plays for England after his recent return to form.

Hes a damn good player, scored some incredible goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbLgSQ-0dmg

Hilarious when in a lot of them goalie just stands there going WTF??!?!

The Goal at 2:40 is particularly outstanding.

stanford-ukded
08-24-2007, 07:46 AM
Sven, like McClaren, is tactically inept. I disagree he was our best manager. He was awful, and the worst part is we've gone downhill since then.

Xiolablu3
08-24-2007, 07:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Sven, like McClaren, is tactically inept. I disagree he was our best manager. He was awful, and the worst part is we've gone downhill since then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would you say that? Do you remember where we were when he became manager? About to crash out of the World Cup qualifers wasnt it when Keegan resigned?? (or maybe the Euro qualifiers?)

I think 2 quarter finals, one lost on penalties with the team we had is a damn good record!

Bewolf
08-24-2007, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Its not Britain, its England!!! YOu would get shot in Glasgow or Ireland for calling that mob British http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My apologies. I am certainly aware its England and not britian. Just a matter of habits. My mistake.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I think it actually seems more serious than it actually is. I suspect a lot of the people booing are doing it with a smile on their face and a tongue in their cheek, as in 'Germans are the baddies' sort of thing. Dads with their kids 'Lets boo the naughty Germans from WW2' so to speak. If most of them met a German person they would be respectful and friendly.

Disrespectful nevertheless, but remember it is 'the mob mentaility' after all. The few that actually mean it havent got 2 brain cells to rub togther. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, so its a matter of friendly tradition, yes?
For some odd and unknown reason I had another impression. Megile and Stanford's remarks initially made more sense to me. One never learns out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not trying to defend their actions, it was lame - no defence, just trying to explain them and hope I am right. (If I am not then we havent learned a thing)

I am not saying its tradition, just that over here on TV around half the programs we see about Germany are about WW2 on Discovery/History etc.

Ask Ricky Gervais :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3m0qKiY_Ek

Basically we learn on our History and Discovery channel about 2 things

SHarks and Nazis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quite obviously. I like Sharks, though.

Xiolablu3
08-24-2007, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Its not Britain, its England!!! YOu would get shot in Glasgow or Ireland for calling that mob British http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My apologies. I am certainly aware its England and not britian. Just a matter of habits. My mistake.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I think it actually seems more serious than it actually is. I suspect a lot of the people booing are doing it with a smile on their face and a tongue in their cheek, as in 'Germans are the baddies' sort of thing. Dads with their kids 'Lets boo the naughty Germans from WW2' so to speak. If most of them met a German person they would be respectful and friendly.

Disrespectful nevertheless, but remember it is 'the mob mentaility' after all. The few that actually mean it havent got 2 brain cells to rub togther. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, so its a matter of friendly tradition, yes?
For some odd and unknown reason I had another impression. Megile and Stanford's remarks initially made more sense to me. One never learns out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not trying to defend their actions, it was lame - no defence, just trying to explain them and hope I am right. (If I am not then we havent learned a thing)

I am not saying its tradition, just that over here on TV around half the programs we see about Germany are about WW2 on Discovery/History etc.

Ask Ricky Gervais :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3m0qKiY_Ek

Basically we learn on our History and Discovery channel about 2 things

SHarks and Nazis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quite obviously. I like Sharks, though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, Sharks Brilliant, Nazis Rubbish....

Phil_K
08-24-2007, 08:05 AM
But as I say, it doesn't matter who the manager is or what his tactics are, because at the crucial point in any competition (usually a quarter or semi final against decent opposition), the England players will bottle it and:

1. Conspire to have a key player sent off
2. Concede a flukey goal through absence of concentration, and
3. Lose the penalty shoot out

Bewolf
08-24-2007, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phil_K:
England fans generally boo every opposing country's national anthem, not just Germany. It's a bit pathetic, but then I've always thought that being a football fan is an excuse for emotional regression.

Maybe it's just my perception, but I think the anti-German feeling has declined a lot in England over the last few years. That match appeared to be a lot less intense than many of the previous ones I've seen.

Germany v Netherlands seems to be a much more fractious encounter. The dislike seems to extend to the players themselves, which rarely happens during England/Germany matches where both sets of players generally seem to be respectful. They don't spit at each other, for example. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We respect the english players. It is a classic, a time to party, to hold your breath and have fun. Some have a gripe with the english for their audience behaviour, but most don't care.

It's different with the dutch. Especially since Rijkaard spit at Völler at the 1990 WC. I still remember that and the anger it caused. Since then, all sympathies were lost. The dutch, at least when it comes to football, deserve to get stomped.

rohrspatz
08-24-2007, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Maybe it's just my perception, but I think the anti-German feeling has declined a lot in England over the last few years. That match appeared to be a lot less intense than many of the previous ones I've seen.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm German and thats my impression too. Remenber the match Germany vs. Portugal last year - First time ever, Englands fans (at least some) cheered for Germany http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So there is a chance that one day some more of those
"fans" will realize that the war is over since long.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Germany v Netherlands seems to be a much more fractious encounter. The dislike seems to extend to the players themselves, which rarely happens during England/Germany matches where both sets of players generally seem to be respectful. They don't spit at each other, for example. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In fact it is. I think for many Germans loosing against Holland is regarded as a shame whilst loosing against England <span class="ev_code_RED">would</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif "only" be loosing.

Btw.: They dont spit at each other - it was Rijkard who spit at Rudi Völler, not vice versa...

I think, the coach plays a major role. Germany was in the same situation as England now before the world cup and it was Klinsmann and Jogi Löw and their new approach that changed everything.

They managed it to build a real team.

England (as well as Holland) has some great talented players but for me it looks like they dont act as a team, even worse, sometimes it looks like they dont care..

and goofing on their own team like the english press does, doesnt help very much either...

Xiolablu3
08-24-2007, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phil_K:
England fans generally boo every opposing country's national anthem, not just Germany. It's a bit pathetic, but then I've always thought that being a football fan is an excuse for emotional regression.

Maybe it's just my perception, but I think the anti-German feeling has declined a lot in England over the last few years. That match appeared to be a lot less intense than many of the previous ones I've seen.

Germany v Netherlands seems to be a much more fractious encounter. The dislike seems to extend to the players themselves, which rarely happens during England/Germany matches where both sets of players generally seem to be respectful. They don't spit at each other, for example. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We respect the english players. It is a classic, a time to party, to hold your breath and have fun. Some have a gripe with the english for their audience behaviour, but most don't care.

It's different with the dutch. Especially since Rijkaard spit at Völler at the 1990 WC. I still remember that and the anger it caused. Since then, all sympathies were lost. The dutch, at least when it comes to football, deserve to get stomped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Be sure that there is huge respect for the German team in Britain. If we manage to beat them, its certainly seen as a MASSIVE acheivement.

Its like we are old rivals but Germany always seem to win out and usually have the better team. So its time for a big celebration the few times we actually manage to win.

stanford-ukded
08-24-2007, 09:18 AM
Our team gelled together more against Germany than they have done in a long long time. My personal opinion on why that happened lies in the midfield. This was one of the few games that Gerrard and Lampard were not both in the centre of midfield. They both have potential to be great players, and I know Alan Shearer disagrees with me completely here (pah, what does he know?), but they can not play together. They just can't. I feel that Gerrard can do everything Lampard can do, but better. He can also get back and defend. He's a great asset.

Steve McClaren was forced to play the midfield like he did. The fact he didn't have a choice in the matter was a godsend, and we played relatively well. It didn't actually feel like we lost. We walked out of an England match with less negatives than when we BEAT Andorra.

The reason I say he's tactically inept... well, there's hundreds. He doesn't seem to understand the basic dynamics of football. That I can't get my head around. For example, letting an injured, jet lagged Beckham play a full 90 minutes on the right when we have more than enough choice in that department. Playing Alan Smith up front when we have a real striker in Defoe. Taking off Owen who needs time on the pitch like a druggy needs crack. Putting on Crouch, who admittedly is good but is banned for the next competitive match. Almost ignoring Sean Wright-Phillips who has been on insane form this season, and almost turned the game around in the 20 minutes he had.

I will give him one bit of credit in taking off Robinson who was certainly having a bad game. Why is it he can't do it with other players?

HuninMunin
08-24-2007, 11:03 AM
100 % agreed on Gerrard.
To be honest, my observation is based on only few games I have seen completely, but he seems to be one of the few players that can "shape" a game as far as it's possible for a single man.
I don't know if the term "Spielmacher" translates somehow ( couldn't find the english expression for my life).

My girlfriend agrees with me on that - and she knows A LOT about football http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

stanford-ukded
08-24-2007, 01:59 PM
I assume that means playmaker, and if that's the case I agree 100%

Hoatee
08-24-2007, 03:39 PM
Spiel can be both noun and verb I should think. As a noun, game would more immediately come to mind. But match would be better and and so we end up with matchmaker, which is a valid English word.

Xiolablu3
08-25-2007, 08:59 AM
Doesnt Speille mean 'game' in English ?

As in 'Gamemaker', which is the same as 'playmaker'

As in the whole team is most often shaped around that one player, he instigates the 'play'.

I.JG53_Steuben
08-25-2007, 09:23 AM
http://www.plattmaster.de/plattoew.htm

Bo_Nidle
08-25-2007, 09:28 AM
There's no such thing as a friendly in Football at all in my experience.

The end result of just about any international game results in the same thing in Stoke-on-Trent where I Police:

Lose= Everyone drunk, deeply disappointed, very upset,: FIGHT!

Draw= Everyone drunk, mildly disappointed, slightly upset: FIGHT!

Win= Everyone drunk, highly delighted, very happy : FIGHT!

I have a lot of time for football fans....just not in this lifetime! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif