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phil_930
04-07-2005, 08:50 AM
Just thought some of you may be interested in a 360º panorama I've just finished. It€s of the cockpit of the Avro Lancaster at Duxford. There are 3 different versions. Please use the links below to view:

Standard QuickTime version: approximately 200k
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/duxford/lancaster.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/duxford/lancaster.html)

Full Screen QuickTime version: approximately 1.6 meg
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/duxford/lancasterfs.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/duxford/lancasterfs.html)

Java versions: approximately 200k
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/duxford/lancasterjava.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/duxford/lancasterjava.html)

If you have broadband the Full Screen version is the one to look at. If you don€t have broadband I still think it is worth the wait. QuickTime is needed, which if you don€t already have, can download for free at: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
For those of you who don€t have QuickTime and don€t want to download it, you can view the Java version.

If you are not familiar with 360º panoramas, you view them by right clicking on the centre of the image and drawing the cursor in the direction you wish to view whilst keeping the mouse button depressed.

Hope you enjoy,

Regards,

Philip

Freycinet
04-07-2005, 09:06 AM
fan-spiffing-tastic!!!

You should have it linked from www.panoramas.dk, (http://www.panoramas.dk,) that's a very well-visited site, as i am sure you know.

VV_Holdenb
04-07-2005, 09:07 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Excellent "virtual" experience. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
The full scale Lancaster cockpit replica at Pitstone in Bucks compares well, but its great to see all around with wings and engines included http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for posting.
The Java link worked best for me.

MEGILE
04-07-2005, 09:34 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Capt._Tenneal
04-07-2005, 09:59 AM
I must admit, despite my being a Yank, I am slowly being pulled into the Lancaster whiner camp. Even as an AI plane the addition of the Lancaster will fill a gaping hole in the aircraft list in the game. Is there a reason why the Lanc has not made it into the game ?

ploughman
04-07-2005, 10:44 AM
I don't know, but it's one of those planes that ended up full of gizmos for navigation, bombing and all that jazz. Many of the planes that hunted it ended up full of radar and were guided by ground stations etc., with the exception of those fighters that hung around the target waiting for the fires to illuminate their prey. I'm not sure if this sim is really built to handle that kind of thing.

I may well be wrong...

skabbe
04-07-2005, 11:05 AM
Lancaster ROCKS! it would be so cool if they add the grandslam bomb, that 22 000 lbs bomb lancaster carried you know... BAMB!!!

Capt._Tenneal
04-07-2005, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
I don't know, but it's one of those planes that ended up full of gizmos for navigation, bombing and all that jazz. Many of the planes that hunted it ended up full of radar and were guided by ground stations etc., with the exception of those fighters that hung around the target waiting for the fires to illuminate their prey. I'm not sure if this sim is really built to handle that kind of thing.

I may well be wrong... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't necessarily have to be the RAF night bombing version. For example, the Beaufighter we got with PF was the Australian Mk.21 version, but at least we have a Beaufighter.

Didn't some Lancasters see action in the Eastern Front ? Maybe we can have that version ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Grue_
04-07-2005, 11:52 AM
Nice!

I stood underneath that plane on Saturday http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

How do you get a cockpit tour?

reverendkrv1972
04-07-2005, 12:29 PM
Ecellent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
is she still in hangar 1?

regards,

Rev

GreyFox5
04-07-2005, 12:47 PM
Excellent site. Its hard to imagine that it was a one pilot bomber. Seems like a lot to manage. Thanks for the post. I did get to see the flying Canadain Lanc a couple of years ago. Man it sounds like a Squad of Spits flying by.

~S~ Fox

ploughman
04-07-2005, 12:56 PM
You don't have to convince me Captain. I was just trying to suggest the sort of reasoning (beyond the actual work invovled in creating the model) that might justify its non-inclusion.

p1ngu666
04-07-2005, 06:31 PM
awsome http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

theres a flight engineer who looks after engines etc... and the lanc was easier to fly than a b17 (heavy) or b24(imprecise)

and yes, the lanc had all sorts of tasty loadouts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

want a late one, with martin turret (like b25) and gun laying and lead calculating rader for the rear turret http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Extreme_One
04-07-2005, 06:31 PM
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/jawdropper.gif


That's stunning! Thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MarkGos
04-07-2005, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
I don't know, but it's one of those planes that ended up full of gizmos for navigation, bombing and all that jazz. Many of the planes that hunted it ended up full of radar and were guided by ground stations etc., with the exception of those fighters that hung around the target waiting for the fires to illuminate their prey. I'm not sure if this sim is really built to handle that kind of thing.

I may well be wrong... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't necessarily have to be the RAF night bombing version. For example, the Beaufighter we got with PF was the Australian Mk.21 version, but at least we have a Beaufighter.

Didn't some Lancasters see action in the Eastern Front ? Maybe we can have that version ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Capt,

Tiger force was being readied to come to the pacific with it's Lancs but the A Bombs put an end to that need. My dad was lined up to come out with Tiger force as being an Australian with 36 mission expeience with Sqdn 75 (RNZAF) was considered worthwhile. Instead he got to come back late in 46 via very slow boat (I'm sure he preferred that to going into another round of fighting)

Gos

P.S. That lanc 360 view is amazing!

Waldo.Pepper
04-07-2005, 10:58 PM
Very nice.

This is why the internet was invented.

The.Tyke
04-08-2005, 02:36 AM
Excellent !!! Good find. My Dad used to fly Stirlings, I WISH one of those still existed.

phil_930
04-08-2005, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
fan-spiffing-tastic!!!

You should have it linked from http://www.panoramas.dk, that's a very well-visited site, as i am sure you know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got a couple of panoramas on www.panoramas.dk (http://www.panoramas.dk) already at http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/f24.html - they are of H.M.S. Belfast and were shown on the week of the 60th anniversary of D-Day, H.M.S. Belfast being one of the first ships to start the shore bombardment. I€ll ask Hans and see if he is interested in the Lancaster panorama.

I've also got some new panoramas of the American Air Museum at Imperial War Museum Duxford. Not quite as exciting as the Lancaster interior but I like them nonetheless€¦. anything with aircraft in has to be a bonus!

QuickTime version
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama1.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama1.html)
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama2.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama2.html)
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama3.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama3.html)

Full Screen QuickTime version
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama1fs.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama1fs.html)
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama2fs.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama2fs.html)
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama3fs.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama3fs.html)

Java Version
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama1java.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama1java.html)
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama2java.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama2java.html)
www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama3java.html (http://www.pan3sixty.co.uk/tours/aamduxford/panorama3java.html)

Cheers,

Phil

phil_930
04-08-2005, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grue_:
Nice!

I stood underneath that plane on Saturday http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

How do you get a cockpit tour? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Each panorama is made up of a series of still images that are stitched together to produce a single image with a horizontal field of view of 360º and a vertical field of view of 180º. In this instance, six images make up the bulk of the panorama with a further two images to cap the top and bottom of the panorama.

Depending on lighting and subject matter, once the panorama is stitched there is anything up to 8 €" 10 hours of Photoshop work correcting stitching errors, colour and exposure correction, etc, although an average panorama would take 2 €" 4 hours work. This was the case with the panoramas of the American Air Museum.

The Lancaster panorama took a fair while longer as it is actually a composite of two 360 panoramas, one exposed for the interior and one exposed for the exterior, which were then blended together by hand.

The final panoramas are then sharpened, resized and authored in QuickTime and Java, and in some cases such as this, Full Screen QuickTime.

Glad you like them. If I do any more aviation related work I€ll be sure to post a link.

Cheers,

Phil

phil_930
04-08-2005, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VV_Holdenb:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Excellent "virtual" experience. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
The full scale Lancaster cockpit replica at Pitstone in Bucks compares well, but its great to see all around with wings and engines included http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for posting.
The Java link worked best for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I looked this up and it's amazing! For anyone else interested you can read more at http://website.lineone.net/~norman.groom/

Must go and have a look one day

Phil

phil_930
04-08-2005, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I did get to see the flying Canadain Lanc a couple of years ago. Man it sounds like a Squad of Spits flying by.

~S~ Fox <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A friend of mine who flew Lancasters in his RAF days says 'there is only one thing better than the sound of a Merlin, and that€s the sound of four Merlins'

Makes me smile http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

phil_930
04-08-2005, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
I don't know, but it's one of those planes that ended up full of gizmos for navigation, bombing and all that jazz. Many of the planes that hunted it ended up full of radar and were guided by ground stations etc., with the exception of those fighters that hung around the target waiting for the fires to illuminate their prey. I'm not sure if this sim is really built to handle that kind of thing.

I may well be wrong... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I finished a good book a few months ago that may be of interest to you if you want to know more about night bombing by Bomber Command - The Battle of Hamburg by Martin Middlebrook. It was the first time Bomber Command used 'window' to disrupt the German radar and proved highly successful at first, but the Germans soon changed their tactics and bomber losses rose again.

The book looks at the raids from all points of view, from the bomber crews through to civilians in Hamburg and the overwhelming feeling I get from it is how awful it must have been for all involved both on the ground and in the air.

-HH-Dubbo
04-08-2005, 12:30 PM
I've always loved the Lanc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Thanks for the links

ploughman
04-08-2005, 01:02 PM
The level of sophistication in both machines and tactics acheived by both sides in the night bomber war is pretty incredible. The ebb and flow of battle, from the disasterous raid on Berlin where everything went tragically wrong, to Dresden, where everything went tragically right is grim stuff. The only other 'theatre' of war that matches it for grinding grimness is the Battle of the Atlantic. (From the British point of view)>

Apparrently, there was a raid on the night before D-day on some German coastal gun emplacements in Normandy using Lancasters bombing using only electronic aids in the dark that destroyed something like 11 of the 12 targets. Does anyone know anything more?

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-09-2005, 03:27 AM
Excellent photo's there

Realy like that 360 stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hats of to you for the stitching as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I looked into this a while back and found you can get camera lenses that will do it now but they are VERY expensive.

Something for my retirement perhaps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Ohh and it caused a little heated debate here at work so I am posting this image to show how the flight engineer would be able to act as co-pilot via the use of a 'linked' control column?!?

http://www.flyingzonedirect.com/newimages/screenshots/pa474cockpit.jpg

major_setback
04-09-2005, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by phil_930:
Just thought some of you may be interested in a 360º panorama I've just finished... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is probably old news to some of you, but... there's a series of interactive CD roms of fighter aircraft put together by Absolute Air Land and Sea that are probably still available. Each CD features one WWII fighter. These include 360 degree panoramic cockpit views of several marks of each aircraft. The CDs also contain a mass of useful information on each plane. Tamiya (the model plane company)published the CDs.

http://modelingmadness.com/others/books/cleaver109cdrom.htm

http://www.bookspostfree.com/acatalog/Books_Post_Free__Military_18.html

Banger2004
04-10-2005, 02:44 PM
For any one living in the UK or for that matter visiting, there is a Lanc that you can taxi in (for about 180 when I last enquired).

She is based at East Kirkby airfield in Lincolnshire, but sadly has not yet gained an airworthyness certificate.

Banger2004
04-10-2005, 02:49 PM
To continue above point (I hit the wrong key just now!), taxi rides are by appointment on certain days of the year. Details can be found at http://www.lincsaviation.co.uk/.

The most expensive day lets you spend most of the day with the aircraft and it 'crew', eating a meal and talking lanc with them from about 09.00 to 15.30 I believe. Too good to be true?
I intend to go soon, I have just got to sit in the aircraft my father loved as a nav.

VV_Holdenb
04-11-2005, 06:18 AM
Another Lancaster link that may be of interest. Blue prints and mechanical drawings. Low res pics free. high res pics .

http://www.lancasterrestoration.com/

phil_930
04-11-2005, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by phil_930:
Just thought some of you may be interested in a 360º panorama I've just finished... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is probably old news to some of you, but... there's a series of interactive CD roms of fighter aircraft put together by Absolute Air Land and Sea that are probably still available. Each CD features one WWII fighter. These include 360 degree panoramic cockpit views of several marks of each aircraft. The CDs also contain a mass of useful information on each plane. Tamiya (the model plane company)published the CDs.

http://modelingmadness.com/others/books/cleaver109cdrom.htm

http://www.bookspostfree.com/acatalog/Books_Post_Free__Military_18.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have any of these? Are they worth the money? What are the panoramas like... any good?

Cheers

Phil

major_setback
04-12-2005, 12:35 PM
This edit is taken from one of my earlier posts. I hope it's of some use to you.

The Spitfire disc includes flight manuals for several marks, ......and so much mooooore! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


.... There's a series of interactive CD roms of fighter aircraft put together by Absolute Air Land and Sea that are probably still available. Each CD features one WWII fighter. The CDs contain a mass of useful information on each plane. Tamiya (the model plane company)published the CDs.

http://modelingmadness.com/others/books/cleaver109cdrom.htm

http://www.bookspostfree.com/acatalog/Books_Post_Free__Military_18.html



There is a mass of info on the disc. It is ideal for modellers, skinners, or those who have an abnormal interest in piddling details about aircraft!
I think you might like it. I paid about 15 pound (English) for it a a model fair, and at that price its definately worth it.

If you are into roundels colour schemes etc. you will like it, even though ther aren't to many good colour plates of colour schemes.



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/30.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/12menukopiera.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/17sight.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/15pilotnoteland.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/05.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/03.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/22cockpitsmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/09squadrons.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/20cockpit.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/19cockpitV.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/10Qllettering.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/26.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/27.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/25.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/06.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/11manufacture.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/14pilotnotes.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/16merlin.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/18sight2.jpg

phil_930
04-12-2005, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

I have spent today looking at the spitfire disc, that's the only one that I have.
There are only four 360 degree pans, but eight more of the panels which sweep about 150 degrees.
There is a mass of info on the disc. It is ideal for modellers, skinners, or those who have an abnormal interest in piddling details about aircraft!
I think you might like it. I paid about 15 pound (English) for it a a model fair, and at that price its definately worth it.
If you do get it view the pans via the 'movie' section, they're bigger there than in the 'markings' section.
If you are into roundels colour schemes etc. you will like it, even though ther aren't to many good colour plates of colour schemes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the screen shots. Certainly looks as though it shows every little detail. Think I'll be getting a copy to have a look for myself.

Thanks again, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Phil

major_setback
04-14-2005, 07:51 AM
Phil

I should have said...
The 360 degree panoramas on the spitfire disc have a restricted view. You can only pan up/down to a small degree. By the way, excellent work on the Lancaster pictures!!

T_O_A_D
05-21-2005, 01:11 PM
WOW

I'm not sure how I over looked this one, Must of been because of fishing in early april.

But this deserves a bump regardless of age. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

reverendkrv1972
05-21-2005, 01:52 PM
Indeed it does/did TOAD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif