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Afromike1
11-02-2008, 05:34 PM
Apparently, this game is very 'early war' based. And I can usually see a lot of people who dont like playing early war maps in IL2 currently. So what im concerned of is how is this game going to deal with the HUGE loss of variety in planes?

And since its based in Battle of Britain wont all the planes from the US and Russia be gone? All of the varients of bf-109s and new weapon systems will be gone too.

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight...

Afromike1
11-02-2008, 05:34 PM
Apparently, this game is very 'early war' based. And I can usually see a lot of people who dont like playing early war maps in IL2 currently. So what im concerned of is how is this game going to deal with the HUGE loss of variety in planes?

And since its based in Battle of Britain wont all the planes from the US and Russia be gone? All of the varients of bf-109s and new weapon systems will be gone too.

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight...

WTE_Galway
11-02-2008, 05:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:
Apparently, this game is very 'early war' based. And I can usually see a lot of people who dont like playing early war maps in IL2 currently. So what im concerned of is how is this game going to deal with the HUGE loss of variety in planes?

And since its based in Battle of Britain wont all the planes from the US and Russia be gone? All of the varients of bf-109s and new weapon systems will be gone too.

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Awesome isn't it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Though it would have been nice to get the 109 Dora or even SCW stuff happening !!

Late war is for noobs and macho speed freaks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Real men fly biplanes !!!

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-02-2008, 05:48 PM
Yep. I agree. 'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking. SoW is going to suck more than when Sucky the suckerfish got sucked up by a Dyson.

TinyTim
11-02-2008, 05:59 PM
I'll be damned if I didn't read things like this before IL2 came out:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by someone 8 years ago:
Apparently, this game is very early based. And I can usually see a lot of people who dont like playing early wars. So what im concerned of is how is this game going to deal with the HUGE loss of variety in planes?

And since its based on World War 2 wont all the planes from the cold war and modern times be gone? All of the varients of Su-27 and new weapon systems will be gone too.

I also saw screenshots of P-51! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a prop-plane/really-bad-jets fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Skoshi Tiger
11-02-2008, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Yep. I agree. 'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking. SoW is going to suck more than when Sucky the suckerfish got sucked up by a Dyson. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow that really sucks!

Luckly it will take us about 5 years to learn the new flight model so the reduced number of aircraft won't matter

My pet theory concerning Dyson vacuum cleaners is that they are actually alien technology that teleports dirt from another dimension, just so you get horrified by the ammount of dust that it collects.

PanzerAce2.0
11-02-2008, 06:14 PM
well, I personally LIKE the early war planes. Hell, I can't count the number of times I've been flying a 1944 or 1945 plane set and wished for an old 109E4....

x6BL_Brando
11-02-2008, 06:50 PM
I think the question you're asking is how YOU'LL deal with something that you seem to find a disadvantage? Surely it's a matter of simple relativity? What you call slow isn't really slow if the opposition can only fly at maybe 20-30 mph faster or slower than you. Maybe learning to fly and fight with what's on offer, rather than with some super-arsenal, might have a salutary effect.

What I don't understand is why, after years of protest about insufficient FMs, DMs, scenery, skin accuracy and all the rest, that there is such an outcry about the new series starting near the beginning of the air war in the West ? Maybe it would be worthwhile looking back to how minimally the IL-2 series started, and how the maps and aircraft just kept on coming as the series gathered pace. Or did you just expect it all to arrive in one enormous package? It seems a trifle early to be throwing your toys out of the pram when you haven't even sampled the goods yet.

It's not as though the cockpits for many of the later aircraft haven't been researched and modelled already. Likewise the flight models and such. That will make their adaptation to the new engine a lot easier and quicker than first time around I should think, and allow the war to progress along a healthy time-line. Hopefully we'll get to see how it was when one side or another introduced a new variant, and learn to cope while our engineers work to improve the existing line-up. Instead of just adding a G2 or a 5B to the arena line-up to artificially pork the odds.

It shouldn't be forgotten that Project Galba is being worked up to provide some relief for the speed-freaks. No doubt there'll be people complaining because the Sabres only sport .50 cals while (some of) the Migs carry cannon. But it's just the way it was. You can't plant a tree and expect to build a house from it the next year - and you can always hop back into IL-2 if you need a multi-plane fix.

B

PanzerAce2.0
11-02-2008, 07:06 PM
what is this project Galba you speak of? Is it over on AAA or something? PM if you don't want to post.

Phil_C
11-02-2008, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">what is this project Galba you speak of? Is it over on AAA or something? PM if you don't want to post </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


IIRC it was Korea or Vietnam (or both?)

there are shots of a Skyraider mixed in with the SoW shots...

and yes we NEED a new Korea and Vietnam sim..not another WWII IMHO.

na85
11-02-2008, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce2.0:
what is this project Galba you speak of? Is it over on AAA or something? PM if you don't want to post. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Google. The first TWO links are directly related.

Chivas
11-02-2008, 07:43 PM
There will be no comparison between the immersion of SOW and IL-2. That said some people will be flying both for awhile until they move exclusively to SOW when their favorite aircraft and theater are added. A very small group will never upgrade as seen with people still flying EAW exclusively. Go figure. To me that would be like never upgrading from PONG.

Project Galba is a Korean War cfs based on the SOW engine. Nothing to do with AAA. It will probably be released a couple of months after BOB SOW.

Choctaw111
11-02-2008, 07:47 PM
I think SoW will be great. Many folks here do like the kind of fight that is slow with no uber guns. It takes more skill to shoot something down with less powerful guns which makes for a more challenging sim. Even with that all aside, I don't care how many people are whining about the planeset/maps in SoW...once it is released and everyone knows how good it is, many of those folks will have it on their hard drives for sure.
And I believe about the Dyson. That's why my wife and I bought one. They really are amazing machines.

WTE_Galway
11-02-2008, 07:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:

Wow that really sucks!

Luckly it will take us about 5 years to learn the new flight model so the reduced number of aircraft won't matter

My pet theory concerning Dyson vacuum cleaners is that they are actually alien technology that teleports dirt from another dimension, just so you get horrified by the ammount of dust that it collects. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I think they take it from this dimension ... where do you think things like Biro's, and the other sock from a pair, and network cables disappear to ???



As for the original topic .. surely the mods will provide all the "I ownz because I downloaded a better plane than joo " action necessary for the online testosterone jocks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
11-02-2008, 08:09 PM
I won't have a problem. Most of the time what I fly is the 109 e in Bob anyway (BOB/WOV) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stalkervision
11-02-2008, 08:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Yep. I agree. 'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking. SoW is going to suck more than when Sucky the suckerfish got sucked up by a Dyson. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That really sucks.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stalkervision
11-02-2008, 08:23 PM
On the other hand I am sure more then a few of you will get some intimate knowlege of the me-110. This may be good if it isn't porked to pieces.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

zardozid
11-02-2008, 09:14 PM
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif I thought it was pretty unfair for Oleg to code an "auto-destruct" algorithm deep inside the "IL2" engine...I'm hoping the Oleg will change his mind about activating the "dooms day" program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AFP_Photo/2004/02/05/1075982475_5659.jpg

msalama
11-02-2008, 09:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is BOB: SoW gonna kill off a lot of planes and players? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a word, no. And you'll get those boring überplanes later anyway.

HayateAce
11-02-2008, 09:37 PM
5 years to learn a new FM?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

stalkervision
11-02-2008, 09:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif I thought it was pretty unfair for Oleg to code an "auto-destruct" algorithm deep inside the "IL2" engine...I'm hoping the Oleg will change his mind about activating the "dooms day" program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AFP_Photo/2004/02/05/1075982475_5659.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what an evil evil way to get people to give up a older game. I approve!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Kintaro_343KKT
11-02-2008, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Low Flyer, I guess you ment "testicles" with "cajones"... the only problem is that in spanish...

1 - "Cajones" = "drawers" (furniture)

2 - "Cojones" = "balls" (testicles)

But you're wellcome anyway !! It was quite funny indeed ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

R_Target
11-02-2008, 10:54 PM
At least we'll be getting the Lerche early. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Stiletto-
11-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Currently I am more pumped for RoF than SoW:BoB, so if thats any indication bring on the older planes.

Feathered_IV
11-03-2008, 12:58 AM
Looking forward to RoF more too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

As far as an end to the late-war uber gang goes - bloody good riddance I say! Consider it a community service that they can have their horizons widened a bit. If I had my way, I'd go one further and lock the difficulty settings so they are full-switch for the first twelve months. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG52Uther
11-03-2008, 02:34 AM
Spanish Civil War FTW!

tagTaken2
11-03-2008, 02:36 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Spain, yeah. I had a great time flying the Espagne missions.

Sirrith
11-03-2008, 03:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:

Late war is for noobs and macho speed freaks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Real men fly biplanes !!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

amen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HuninMunin
11-03-2008, 05:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sirrith:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:

Late war is for noobs and macho speed freaks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Real men fly biplanes !!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

amen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Real men just don't give crap what they're flyin.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-03-2008, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kintaro_343KKT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Low Flyer, I guess you ment "testicles" with "cajones"... the only problem is that in spanish...

1 - "Cajones" = "drawers" (furniture)

2 - "Cojones" = "balls" (testicles)

But you're wellcome anyway !! It was quite funny indeed ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what I love about this place - you learn so much from it. Thanks for correction. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

El_clampy
11-03-2008, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif I thought it was pretty unfair for Oleg to code an "auto-destruct" algorithm deep inside the "IL2" engine...I'm hoping the Oleg will change his mind about activating the "dooms day" program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AFP_Photo/2004/02/05/1075982475_5659.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
relly i never heard that one ? quite frightening

zardozid
11-03-2008, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_clampy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif I thought it was pretty unfair for Oleg to code an "auto-destruct" algorithm deep inside the "IL2" engine...I'm hoping the Oleg will change his mind about activating the "dooms day" program. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
relly i never heard that one ? quite frightening </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Why else do you think that "Afromike 1" is so mad(?). You don't think that someone could actually be mad about a new flight combat sim (engine) do you? No, you can't...its because of the "dooms day" protocol.

http://bitsblog.florack.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/dukakis_tank.jpg
http://www2.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/may03/bush-pilot050103.jpg

Frequent_Flyer
11-03-2008, 08:28 AM
I would be satisfied if there was an " honest " way to amend the damage model , flight models, aircraft speeds, ballistics, AI programing etc in IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. Bring on SOWBOB, at least a new game engine should address these. Hopefully Oleg and Co. will move swiftly to the more interesting theaters of air combat in WW II. The BOB has been done to death http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Looking at the two incredible BOB related maps that will be released from the modding community. Oleg should move on to the MED. right out of the box.

Billy_DeLyon
11-03-2008, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
I would be satisfied if there was an " honest " way to amend the damage model , flight models, aircraft speeds, ballistics, AI programing etc in IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. Bring on SOWBOB, at least a new game engine should address these. Hopefully Oleg and Co. will move swiftly to the more interesting theaters of air combat in WW II. The BOB has been done to death http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Looking at the two incredible BOB related maps that will be released from the modding community. Oleg should move on to the MED. right out of the box. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, there is an "honest" way to amend the damage model, flight models, aircraft speeds, ballistics, AI programing etc in IL-2. It's called "design, program, release and market your own dang flight sim"! If there really are 10,000 modders out there willing to work for free, most of whom are so much wiser then the guys at 1C that they've saved IL2 from the dustbin of history, where it surely was headed before they came along to save it, it really shoudn't be that hard for you to build a whole new product from scratch.

That's what Oleg is doing.

The 2 new mod maps look great, but I think they hardly render SOW:BOB irrelevant.

leitmotiv
11-03-2008, 01:22 PM
My take on the matter is this: those that really love history and airplanes will be bowled over by BOB the SOW. Those who are gamers and play just for the badda boom will stick with 46 for their MK108s.

Billy_DeLyon
11-03-2008, 01:35 PM
Well put, leitmotiv. Hope you're right.

I prefer early war scenarios and am looking forward to it (and RoF, which looks a lot closer to release) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
11-03-2008, 01:55 PM
I won't have a problem whatsoever using limited planes. My computer might not like all the eye candy though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hope to god the ai will be way better then Il-2!

slipBall
11-03-2008, 02:55 PM
Limited aircraft is ok with me knowing that we will have active weather, co-pilot ability, probably great sounds, new AI...and I bet much more goodies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

WTE_Galway
11-03-2008, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Spanish Civil War FTW! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A dedicated SCW sim would be awesome.

victor51
11-03-2008, 03:20 PM
As long as everyone accepts that the Boulton Paul Defiant won the war, and is modeled as such. Everything will be fine.

F0_Dark_P
11-03-2008, 03:40 PM
Why all this late war nagging.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BOB: SoW is a fresh start about air warfare!

You have to start somewhere and Oleg choose the BOB.. as in life you go from "A-W" you don't start with "W"

You will pilot a P-51 or D-9 some day in SoW but it will take a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But i really wanted the game to start with Spanish civil war.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

...Early He-111 raids and the Heinkel He 51 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

DuxCorvan
11-03-2008, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kintaro_343KKT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Low Flyer, I guess you ment "testicles" with "cajones"... the only problem is that in spanish...

1 - "Cajones" = "drawers" (furniture)

2 - "Cojones" = "balls" (testicles)

But you're wellcome anyway !! It was quite funny indeed ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe he meant someone should find the 'cajones' to come out... of the closet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Frequent_Flyer
11-03-2008, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Billy_DeLyon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
I would be satisfied if there was an " honest " way to amend the damage model , flight models, aircraft speeds, ballistics, AI programing etc in IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. Bring on SOWBOB, at least a new game engine should address these. Hopefully Oleg and Co. will move swiftly to the more interesting theaters of air combat in WW II. The BOB has been done to death http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Looking at the two incredible BOB related maps that will be released from the modding community. Oleg should move on to the MED. right out of the box. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, there is an "honest" way to amend the damage model, flight models, aircraft speeds, ballistics, AI programing etc in IL-2. It's called "design, program, release and market your own dang flight sim"! If there really are 10,000 modders out there willing to work for free, most of whom are so much wiser then the guys at 1C that they've saved IL2 from the dustbin of history, where it surely was headed before they came along to save it, it really shoudn't be that hard for you to build a whole new product from scratch.

That's what Oleg is doing.

The 2 new mod maps look great, but I think they hardly render SOW:BOB irrelevant. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The numerous other software publishers and " gaming " cos. that have done the title and yes Oleg's offering have rendered SOW:BOB irrelevant. In the same way no other gaming Co. is releasing air combat sims relating to the air conflict in the East. Oleg is starting with BOB because his game engine is going to be used for other genre, documentries, etc. IMHO.

crucislancer
11-03-2008, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sirrith:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:

Late war is for noobs and macho speed freaks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Real men fly biplanes !!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

amen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Real men just don't give crap what they're flyin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

EctoGamma
11-03-2008, 04:54 PM
What does RoF stand for?

I for one can not wait for SoW! Since I got vista and widescreen I have not been able to get il2 to play right, so I have no flight sim to play at the mo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

staticline1
11-03-2008, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EctoGamma:
What does RoF stand for?

I for one can not wait for SoW! Since I got vista and widescreen I have not been able to get il2 to play right, so I have no flight sim to play at the mo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rise of flight. Its a new WWI sim due out in Q4 2008/Q1 2009 give or take.
http://www.riseofflight.com/

EctoGamma
11-03-2008, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by staticline1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EctoGamma:
What does RoF stand for?

I for one can not wait for SoW! Since I got vista and widescreen I have not been able to get il2 to play right, so I have no flight sim to play at the mo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rise of flight. Its a new WWI sim due out in Q4 2008/Q1 2009 give or take.
http://www.riseofflight.com/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah! It used to be KotS! Got ya, thanks for the link.

stalkervision
11-03-2008, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EctoGamma:
What does RoF stand for?

I for one can not wait for SoW! Since I got vista and widescreen I have not been able to get il2 to play right, so I have no flight sim to play at the mo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Retired old fart" of course.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Metatron_123
11-03-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm sure when Il-2 came out, many people were complaining about the lack of western planes.

I'm sure when the western planes came out people complained that they were 'porked'.

I'm positive that when '1946' came out people were like 'WTF Lerche = not real plane WTF OLEG suckz'

As far as SOW is concerned, I know it will be great. No need to worry so much about it.

If I had to change anything I would have it start at the begining of WW2 and work it's way upwards so we have a complete WW2 sim anthology.

But now I'm whining too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Carlz1
11-03-2008, 07:43 PM
I am looking forward to storm of war BOB. The early WWII era is not a problem. Both sides are relatively evenly mactched so it should be a good Challenge.
Having completed a few Single player Russian campaigns in IL2 1946 I quite enjoy starting out in the old I-16, its got character.

ElAurens
11-03-2008, 08:00 PM
To all the children crying about not having their uber planes, I have an answer.

For the first month or two after the release of SOW fly nothing but the CR42, Gladiator, Defiant or Avro Anson. Then hop into a Spit or 109.

It's all relative.

And if the Bf110 is properly modeled it will be just another target for the single seaters.

WTE_Galway
11-03-2008, 08:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:

If I had to change anything I would have it start at the begining of WW2 and work it's way upwards so we have a complete WW2 sim anthology.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SCW

Start with SCW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Buzzsaw-
11-03-2008, 09:17 PM
Salute

All this talk about 'early war', or 'late war'... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Listen folks, the first time you fire up SOW BoB, you are going to be so BLOWN AWAY by the incredible visual detail and photo-realism, that you aren't even going to think about what type of aircraft you are flying, you will be so busy being AMAZED, that it really won't matter... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Here's what you will be saying:

"Cooooool, loooookkkk!!! When I hit that wing, a chunk came back, flew past my head, and took off my stabilizer..... Awesommmmme...... the torque in the 110's two engines is totally bizarre!!
WOOOOOW!!, I didn't know the BR-20 was such a FUNKY plane. look at those Italian instruments!!!!!

You'll be challenged to find new skills, like how to best use one of the older Hurricanes with only the two speeds for prop pitch, or keeping your 109E's manual variable prop pitch in the sweet spot.

1943, 1945... Yeah, that will come, in the meantime, you will be having the time of your life flying in 1940. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Erkki_M
11-03-2008, 11:55 PM
I visited a "Digi Expo" last Sunday, and oh my: of the two huge halls one was completely dedicated to the Electronic Arts and its crap games that couldnt interest me any less. Of the second hall, roughly one third was games: xbox, playstation, nintendo etc etc...

SoW BoB, if it ever comes out, and ROF, might be the two last real combat flight sims we are to get. Masses want instant entertainment and easy fun. Even in IL2 the large majority is playing on Skies of Fire and others, "gaming a game". Sad. The two new games will divide the community(people cant play two games simultaneously) and since they are(hopefully) going to be even harder, with less aircraft and less "hot action" IL2 has(speed, easy flying and big guns) lots of players will probably leave and even less and less new come in. Our only hope is that they will try to advertise those two games, preferably as much as M$ did its "combat flight sims".

fabianfred
11-04-2008, 12:38 AM
sod the aircraft...i shall be playing with the trains and vehicles http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
11-04-2008, 01:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where is this substantiated? You found this other than rumor how?

M_Gunz
11-04-2008, 01:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:
Apparently, this game is very 'early war' based. And I can usually see a lot of people who dont like playing early war maps in IL2 currently. So what im concerned of is how is this game going to deal with the HUGE loss of variety in planes?

And since its based in Battle of Britain wont all the planes from the US and Russia be gone? All of the varients of bf-109s and new weapon systems will be gone too.

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SOW is a series like IL2 is a series.
BoB is only the first theater in the SOW series.
More later with compatibility, all better done than IL2.

IL2 was 4 years start to pre-release demo.

Patience.

Feathered_IV
11-04-2008, 01:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where is this substantiated? You found this other than rumor how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I gather your humour bypass operation was a complete success? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

LEXX_Luthor
11-04-2008, 01:50 AM
As long as Oleg doesn't cripple this sim as well to save anonymous public server Online play from itself, it will do fine (or he could go Pay-To-Play).

M_Gunz
11-04-2008, 02:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where is this substantiated? You found this other than rumor how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I gather your humour bypass operation was a complete success? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just woke up, it's 4am now, no I missed that as attempted humor as it's more something that
Stiglr and some others (may they rest in peace) would have run with.

Yeah it is a bit over the top to be taken seriously, so I asked. Yup, he got me!

major_setback
11-04-2008, 02:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The three Bf 108's used by the British (bought before the war?) were used for liason duties etc. I think I read that they were well suited for the job because they were faster than anything else the RAF had at the time!!!! (They had no heavy armament/armour). They won't necessarily be easy targets.

I think Oleg's aim is to include aircraft used for every roll: trainer, recon, bomber, fighter etc.

WOLFMondo
11-04-2008, 04:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
5 years to learn a new FM?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thoughts too considering were already using a version of the FM to be used in Storm of War..

P.FunkAdelic
11-04-2008, 04:37 AM
Did it occur to anyone that almost all real pilots rarely flew more than 1 or 2 aircraft types operationally in the real war? This orgy of different variants to choose from is skewed historical perception.

I just think most people are mad they won't have their LA-7s and P-51s.

stalkervision
11-06-2008, 06:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
Did it occur to anyone that almost all real pilots rarely flew more than 1 or 2 aircraft types operationally in the real war? This orgy of different variants to choose from is skewed historical perception.

I just think most people are mad they won't have their LA-7s and P-51s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya what are people to do without a P-51.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The spitfire mk 1 certainly doesn't fly like one.

zardozid
11-06-2008, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
My god...people will complain about anything.

But in all fairness, I have to admit that when I first found out that installing "BoB SoW" on my computer would deactivate "IL2 1946" I was mad too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where is this substantiated? You found this other than rumor how? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I gather your humour bypass operation was a complete success? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just woke up, it's 4am now, no I missed that as attempted humor as it's more something that
Stiglr and some others (may they rest in peace) would have run with.

Yeah it is a bit over the top to be taken seriously, so I asked. Yup, he got me! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Kurfurst__
11-07-2008, 03:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The three Bf 108's used by the British (bought before the war?) were used for liason duties etc. I think I read that they were well suited for the job because they were faster than anything else the RAF had at the time!!!! (They had no heavy armament/armour). They won't necessarily be easy targets.

I think Oleg's aim is to include aircraft used for every roll: trainer, recon, bomber, fighter etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bf 108 (I presume it would be flyable?) would also add a nice new layer, by adding what was essentially a civilian hobby plane, so in a way BoBSOW can also be a pure flight sim, not just a combat sim. Its logical, if the FM is up to it (and I have no doubt it has), why not use it?

ElAurens
11-07-2008, 05:36 AM
Sadly there are lots of players who won't fly anything but the LaP47109K4MK.IX 25lb.(Late). And when they do by some odd chance get in an older bird you see why. No skills.

I hope they do come and fly SOW.

Really I do.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Alikaswat
11-07-2008, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Yep. I agree. 'Bout time somebody found the cajones to come out and say what we're all thinking. SoW is going to suck more than when Sucky the suckerfish got sucked up by a Dyson. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, its going to suck when all the suckies realize it's not coming out at all. ITS BEEN CANCELED! MUHAAAAAAA.

JG52Uther
11-07-2008, 06:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:

I also saw screenshots of bf-108s! WTF? this game seems like its gonna be a bi-plane/really-bad-monoplane fight... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The three Bf 108's used by the British (bought before the war?) were used for liason duties etc. I think I read that they were well suited for the job because they were faster than anything else the RAF had at the time!!!! (They had no heavy armament/armour). They won't necessarily be easy targets.

I think Oleg's aim is to include aircraft used for every roll: trainer, recon, bomber, fighter etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bf 108 (I presume it would be flyable?) would also add a nice new layer, by adding what was essentially a civilian hobby plane, so in a way BoBSOW can also be a pure flight sim, not just a combat sim. Its logical, if the FM is up to it (and I have no doubt it has), why not use it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Last news was AI,like the Dornier 17,but who knows!

Bremspropeller
11-07-2008, 06:18 AM
I'm gonna stick to the Su 26 anyway http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

R_Target
11-07-2008, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.FunkAdelic:
I just think most people are mad they won't have their LA-7s and P-51s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I expect Fw 190 agitation to start shortly after SoW release.

Bremspropeller
11-07-2008, 07:11 AM
I'd rather have a "Dieppe '42" add-on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

R_Target
11-07-2008, 10:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I'd rather have a "Dieppe '42" add-on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a pretty good planeset.

DuxCorvan
11-07-2008, 11:11 AM
ANY scenario planeset is good for real air combat lovers. Like giant SUVs, always-better uberplanes are often the choice of guys with small pen*s complex.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-07-2008, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I'd rather have a "Dieppe '42" add-on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a pretty good planeset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed.

http://kits.kitreview.com/images/ca463_cover.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

M_Gunz
11-07-2008, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
5 years to learn a new FM?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thoughts too considering were already using a version of the FM to be used in Storm of War.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What we have uses parts of the early SOW FM engine. What we have does not model mass within
the 3D model, does not fully model compression (some part is but he didn't say which) and
is a bit funny in some ways on multi-engine planes as in just why P-38 differential throttle
does not work as real according to someone inside or a beta, maybe it's in the archives....

Does anyone know if they're actually making any changes to the FM engine? Or the models?

Final debug can take more time than the code did to write just for time to check every path
growing faster than code size. The design part was before, the fun is over in debug time.

Player_43
11-25-2008, 12:45 AM
Another problem is that the only available interresting fighters will be the Emils and the Spits MKI (and the hurri of course).

The spit MKI has a gravity based carburator that cant handle negative G (same for the hurri). The Emil has a fuel injection that allows him to push negative G's.

As evident and very sad consequence, those who will fly red will have a big disadvantage as they will have to restrict the df manoevers to those that don't involve negative G's.

For example if you flying an Emil and you have a spit on your close six, just push the stick. The spit will have to roll 180? to avoid an engine cutt off if he wants to stay on your six ... big, big disadvantage !

I guess you remember how frustrating it is to fly in df planes that don't allow negative G's like the I16 etc .. I'm affraid that you'd better get used to it.

Feathered_IV
11-25-2008, 03:33 AM
I'd rather start with a shiny new P.11c, but I guess I'll have to make do with those new fangled inline BoB nancy hotrods. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Manu-6S
11-25-2008, 03:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
5 years to learn a new FM?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thoughts too considering were already using a version of the FM to be used in Storm of War.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think: SOW should have a rebuilded FM engine.

Anyway once you have learned how to fight (real tactics, not pure dogfights) you won't ever see the difference between a model and another.

The only important things are: Is my plane faster? Is it a better climber? At which altitude?

I don't care about the rest.

Jex_TE
11-25-2008, 04:16 AM
Presumably then certain people will be happy to miss out on improved graphics and flight model but less planes to fly? Is it impossible to own say, IL2 and SoW at the same time, in the same universe?

Personally I'll leave the speculation to others until the known facts about the game have arrived and we have some reviews to read so I can make an informed judgement as to whether or not I'll buy it.

If you're into flight sims, I don't understand what the fuss is all about. Or is it our WW2 addicts can't play anything else?

JG53Frankyboy
11-25-2008, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I'd rather have a "Dieppe '42" add-on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a pretty good planeset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dieppe '42 SOW AdOn would be fantastic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Hurricane Mk.IIc
Spitfire Mk.Vb
Spitfire F.Mk.IXc
Typhoon Mk.Ib
Whirlwind Mk.I
Mustang Mk.I
Boston Mk.III
B-17E

Bf109G-1
Fw190A-3
Ju88A-4
Do217E

and no new map would be needed..........
i belive making new maps in SoW standard is a lot of work.

staticline1
11-25-2008, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Player_43:
Another problem is that the only available interresting fighters will be the Emils and the Spits MKI (and the hurri of course).

The spit MKI has a gravity based carburator that cant handle negative G (same for the hurri). The Emil has a fuel injection that allows him to push negative G's.

As evident and very sad consequence, those who will fly red will have a big disadvantage as they will have to restrict the df manoevers to those that don't involve negative G's.

For example if you flying an Emil and you have a spit on your close six, just push the stick. The spit will have to roll 180? to avoid an engine cutt off if he wants to stay on your six ... big, big disadvantage !

I guess you remember how frustrating it is to fly in df planes that don't allow negative G's like the I16 etc .. I'm affraid that you'd better get used to it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this a lament? I and, I'm sure most here, would hope that its modeled that way for historically accuracy.

CUJO_1970
11-25-2008, 08:31 PM
When Bob:SoW comes out, I may never play this sim again. I expect awesomness.

And Oleg has already stated that the FW190 will likely be the first add-on plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Sillius_Sodus
11-26-2008, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by staticline1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Player_43:
Another problem is that the only available interresting fighters will be the Emils and the Spits MKI (and the hurri of course).

The spit MKI has a gravity based carburator that cant handle negative G (same for the hurri). The Emil has a fuel injection that allows him to push negative G's.

As evident and very sad consequence, those who will fly red will have a big disadvantage as they will have to restrict the df manoevers to those that don't involve negative G's.

For example if you flying an Emil and you have a spit on your close six, just push the stick. The spit will have to roll 180? to avoid an engine cutt off if he wants to stay on your six ... big, big disadvantage !

I guess you remember how frustrating it is to fly in df planes that don't allow negative G's like the I16 etc .. I'm affraid that you'd better get used to it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this a lament? I and, I'm sure most here, would hope that its modeled that way for historically accuracy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, right now over at the "other place", you can download a Spit Mk1 with it's own fm. Stuff the nose down and the engine quits, just like it should. It doesn't take long at all to adapt, in fact the low power and rapid overheating of the engine is a bigger pita but it's still a blast.

Ken_Det
11-26-2008, 12:53 PM
I dont know about you all, but I'm up for some thing new.
As far as the older planes.
I like the I16-24, so old, and slow is just fine.
A new area to fight too.