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Niles1978
10-05-2009, 10:24 PM
I've been thinking what it is about Assassins Creed that makes me love it so much...
I thought it was the gameplay and the combat-system; easy to learn, hard to master.
I thought it was the tragic character Desmond; the prisoner who can only escape through the animus to run around free in another time.
I thought it was the theme; the way religion, filosofy & freedom were a mayor part of the story. How neither the Jews, the Muslims or the Christians were any closer to God then anyone else (we're all human, all equal and all corruptable by power)
I thought it was the story; gently approached reality, only to create an even better work of fiction (science fiction, if you think about it)
But now...
After reading these forums and comments, I realized that it's the "hidden history lesson" in the game that I admire the most. People all over the world are educating themselves about the Italian renaissance... Not because they HAVE to, but because they WANT to! As a teacher I think education through inspiration works best. And even though fiction can confuse some people (many Dan Brown-fans believe his books to be true), I truely admire the AC-team at ubisoft for giving the world this "hidden history lesson" (not to mention all the art, architecture, filosofy, etc) This game clearly serves a higher purpose then a fantasy-game, a sports-game or a shoot-'m-up.
Anyway... that's just what I think.
Why do you love AC?

Niles1978
10-05-2009, 10:24 PM
I've been thinking what it is about Assassins Creed that makes me love it so much...
I thought it was the gameplay and the combat-system; easy to learn, hard to master.
I thought it was the tragic character Desmond; the prisoner who can only escape through the animus to run around free in another time.
I thought it was the theme; the way religion, filosofy & freedom were a mayor part of the story. How neither the Jews, the Muslims or the Christians were any closer to God then anyone else (we're all human, all equal and all corruptable by power)
I thought it was the story; gently approached reality, only to create an even better work of fiction (science fiction, if you think about it)
But now...
After reading these forums and comments, I realized that it's the "hidden history lesson" in the game that I admire the most. People all over the world are educating themselves about the Italian renaissance... Not because they HAVE to, but because they WANT to! As a teacher I think education through inspiration works best. And even though fiction can confuse some people (many Dan Brown-fans believe his books to be true), I truely admire the AC-team at ubisoft for giving the world this "hidden history lesson" (not to mention all the art, architecture, filosofy, etc) This game clearly serves a higher purpose then a fantasy-game, a sports-game or a shoot-'m-up.
Anyway... that's just what I think.
Why do you love AC?

EmperorxZurg
10-05-2009, 10:35 PM
I agree with that, you wouldn't BELIEVE how many people think Dan Brown is some prophet who is "telling us what the corporate is doing to us" and starting to become like hippies all over again lol, but I agree with all of ur points, the great story told of Desmond and the conspiracies, the gameplay{most important in a GAME lol} and the history of each place and then if u ever visit there, you can say " I climbed that in 15 seconds!" lol and still know all the knowledge about it, although the the religion thing is a bit played on in my opinion because although they tell everyone in the game Muslims were like it too, it just seemed to focus on the Christians corruptability, and although it was true, many people are getting the wrong impression that ALL Christians are like that. But it's still an awesome game!{see I went away from starting my religion topic>_<}

the amolang
10-05-2009, 10:39 PM
I agree, the thing I like about AC is the how history based it is, everything possible is accurate and detailed. The buildings, characters, weapons. I love history and so the AC series is heaven for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xanatos2007
10-05-2009, 10:48 PM
Agreed, that's what the majority of people don't realise, and what makes Assassin's Creed more than just a game.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How neither the Jews, the Muslims or the Christians were any closer to God then anyone else (we're all human, all equal and all corruptable by power) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
"&lt;quote from my sig&gt;"

Niles1978
10-05-2009, 11:47 PM
thanx for the comments, guys!
Hey d1sturbedme_468, did you notice that even creative director Patrice Désilets said in an interview (I believe it was at E3) something like; "Leonardo da Vinci, you know, the guy from the Dan Brown books." That kinda hurt my artistic gut. It's almost like he said; "Jezus Christ, you know, the guy from the Mel Gibson movie." A reference like that doesn't really credit the artistic god that Leonardo was. Cause nobody will know Dan Brown in a 100 years, let alone 500!
But like I said, that's just my artistic gut. Patrice Désilets is a genius and has created a game with a much higher value & purpose then most games! Perhaps he even "invented" a new type of game? An educational-game.

Assassin_Kat
10-06-2009, 01:48 AM
I wouldn't call it fully educational, if Templars do try to take control of the world in 2012 than us Assassin's Creed fans should be mentioned somewhere saying a horde of angry gamers dressing up as assassins have come to stop the evil plans of Templars. Well, I would xD

vanbuskirks
10-06-2009, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> filosofy ...As a teacher... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not to flame, but I hope you don't teach spelling. To address your actual post, I think it is tough to rationalize that AC 2 creates anything more than just a superficial buzz about the Italian Renaissance. Though folks playing the game may be more interested and do some surface level research to round out the overall experience, the people who will truly appreciate AC 2 as a 'history' lesson are those who have prior knowledge.

As far as the religion part, I felt AC 1 dealt more with tearing down religion as a whole rather than equalizing the various faiths. The whole idea of the actual purpose of the Piece of Eden made it seem like we are not to interpret the bible as literal or even quasi-literal. Instead, we are to see the events in the Bible as well as other religious texts (Qur'an, etc.) as simply methods used to control a given population. The upcoming Templar satellite launch is a more explicit extension of the original agenda. Or something like that...

Atmon
10-06-2009, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Leonardo da Vinci, you know, the guy from the Dan Brown books." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, he was just ironic, because most people recall Da Vinci from a movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

vanbuskirks, Assassin's Creed 2 is still a game, and the main objective is to entertain, but one of the specific aspect about the series is the historical details and accuracy. So if you have more knowledge you'll fully enjoy all the tiny details, but even without that, the game will be great, and you may learn a few things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EmperorxZurg
10-06-2009, 08:04 AM
that's why they put in actual facts about some of the places you visit in the next gamehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Niles1978
10-06-2009, 08:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vanbuskirks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> filosofy ...As a teacher... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not to flame, but I hope you don't teach spelling. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ouch... BURN! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif don't worry, I don't teach spelling. (In my defence I think I'm doing rather well for a dyslexic foreigner)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I think it is tough to rationalize that AC 2 creates anything more than just a superficial buzz about the Italian Renaissance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perhaps you're right, but if even 1 person becomes interested enough to do additional research, then I would say a superficial buzz is a good thing. (When Dan Brown published his book 'the da Vinci code' thousands of people visited the Louvre, would normally NEVER go to a museum.)
Besides; they really made an effort to recreate these cities as historically accurate as possible, which is more then you can say for most games (or even hollywood-movies!) AND there will be a database in the game with historical information about the landmarks. Pretty cool, huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> As far as the religion part, I felt AC 1 dealt more with tearing down religion as a whole rather than equalizing the various faiths. The whole idea of the actual purpose of the Piece of Eden made it seem like we are not to interpret the bible as literal or even quasi-literal. Instead, we are to see the events in the Bible as well as other religious texts (Qur'an, etc.) as simply methods used to control a given population. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm... I felt that the story was more like a warning to be carefull of dogmas, of blind faith, of those with power and of those who claim to know Gods will. (only a God can understand God) Instead we should have the freedom to choose our own path in life, to choose for a religious life (or not) instead of being forced into one. I felt that it wasn't religion that was being torn down, but rather the corrupt leaders who abuse the name of God for their own selfish purposes.
But perhaps that's just me...
(wow... 2 new reply while I typed this)
thanx for the input, guys!!!

BladeInCrowd
10-06-2009, 08:54 AM
I have to agree. I love Assassin's Creed for much of the same reasons. The story is good and in dept, drawing you in, the combat is fun and interesting and the way you pull of assassinations really made me feel good. ^_^

Niles1978
10-06-2009, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atmon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Leonardo da Vinci, you know, the guy from the Dan Brown books." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, he was just ironic, because most people recall Da Vinci from a movie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Haha! I hadn't even thought about the movie. It just keeps getting worse!!! lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

kingbren08
10-13-2009, 02:06 PM
your a teacher nerd! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif joking

Mitro-Blade
10-13-2009, 03:36 PM
Assassins creed got me by the balls when i first saw the E3 07 Jerusalem demo.
I just love assassins and old history (A good mix) Even though im not too sure how good it will be when we reach the present time, there is something about guns and ac i dont like http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

thekyle0
10-13-2009, 04:15 PM
You dislike AC and guns together or apart? Because I have it on good authority that niether, assassins or guns, take criticism very eagerly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Mitro-Blade
10-14-2009, 03:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thekyle0:
You dislike AC and guns together or apart? Because I have it on good authority that niether, assassins or guns, take criticism very eagerly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I dislike ac and guns combined. I dont want the franchise to be turned into a shooter, i like to take care of things up and close http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif