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joojoo_jj2
05-20-2010, 04:06 AM
According to game's database Maria Auditore was born in 1432 and Giovanni Auditore was born in 1436. Maria wrote in her diary that she met the man(!) she fell in love with a week before she was 16 (Giovanni was 12 then) and they married in 1450 when Maria was 18 and Giovanni was 14. Am I missing something here? This is...weird.

Abeonis
05-20-2010, 04:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joojoo_jj2:
According to game's database Maria Auditore was born in 1432 and Giovanni Auditore was born in 1436.Maria wrote in her diary that she met the man(!) she fell in love a week before she was 16(Giovanni was 12 then) and they married in 1450 when Maria was 18 and Giovanni was 14.Am I missing something here?This is...weird http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It wasn't uncommon for ladies to be married at the age of eleven, let alone eighteen in times past... especially if the marriage was prearranged. Likewise, the men were married off quite young as well, so it's entirely believable that they might've got married at those ages.

ButtahNBred
05-20-2010, 04:22 AM
pahahahttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif. Good catch! I guess that is what they did back in the olden days. Although, it makes sense seeing as how their life expectancy was nowhere near what it is today. From what is quickly looked up it looks as if they were only projected to live to 48 years of age. Not bad when they didn't have advanced medicine as we do today.

BTW I believe it's legal for a minor at the age of 14 to get married with parental consent in Mississippi. You do need a judge to waive the age restriction though.

shostara
05-20-2010, 04:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joojoo_jj2:
According to game's database Maria Auditore was born in 1432 and Giovanni Auditore was born in 1436.Maria wrote in her diary that she met the man(!) she fell in love a week before she was 16(Giovanni was 12 then) and they married in 1450 when Maria was 18 and Giovanni was 14.Am I missing something here?This is...weird http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UchihaKarasu
05-20-2010, 07:13 AM
Women often married between the ages of 12 and 18, though 18 and not married was often considered a disgrace. Women married so young not because of life expectancy, but because at a younger age it is easier and healthier for her to bear children, a concept we seem to have forgotten today. Also, marriage was never done for love, well, almost never, but it was often done for family relationships and connections as an attempt to raise themselves higher in the social ladder.
Men could marry and almost any age, though it is odd for the husband and wife to be close in age, often times men would marry between their late twenties to earlier forties. Though, at this point, he might have been through about two wives.
It may seem strange to us, but there are still parts of the world who use this custom.

itsamea-mario
05-20-2010, 11:37 AM
yeh but the strange thing is not that they married at a young age, its that giovani married someone older, as Uchihakarasu said it was usual for an older man to marry a younger women but here it is an older woman marrying a younger man, i dont think that was common.

JohnConnor2012
05-20-2010, 02:23 PM
Marriages were arranged between families back then and were mainly concerned with maintaining their power and status. It was occassionally the case that marriage alliances were arranged between families when children were infants, or even as yet unborn.

EmperorxZurg
05-20-2010, 04:56 PM
well....IU hate to bring this up but since my English teacher is forcing me to read it...Romeo and Juilet pops into mind. It even took place in Italy. As much as I hate the book it was somewhere around that time and they were both 14

UchihaKarasu
05-20-2010, 05:50 PM
Romeo and Juliet was in the Elizabethan era, but customs are still pretty similar
Also, there marriage wasn't arranged
It's possible that Maria's and Giovanni's wasn't either

EmperorxZurg
05-20-2010, 08:07 PM
Oh, sorry I was guessing the same for Giovanni. I still can't get around that book though. I hate it's guts, especially since the whole thing takes 5 days in the plot! (SPOILER if you haven't read it) They meet, marry the next day, get laid and then bassicaly commit suicide within a week at 14? the frick?...not even an assassination

itsamea-mario
05-21-2010, 04:49 PM
romeo's not 14 is he, i thought he was atleast 18, and i didnt think it was common for a younger male to marry an older female.

EmperorxZurg
05-21-2010, 05:11 PM
nah hes fourteen like Juliet.

jimbo11235813
05-21-2010, 05:20 PM
I don't know how we got onto Romeo and Juliet, but Juliet was almost 13 and Romeo's age was never mentioned. However, I read that was was young-ish (18 or below, according to internet).

P.S. I thought I had escaped Romeo and Juliet after I left secondary school. This post is, hopefully, to move the discussion on away from the evils of Romeo and Juliet (had studying it at school not ruined it, then it wouldn't seem so bad.)

JohnConnor2012
05-21-2010, 07:46 PM
Believe me, I had to study it at college too. It is bad.

EmperorxZurg
05-21-2010, 09:14 PM
lol I'm in HIgh School right now and the book makes me wanna puke. But I was just relating it to the customs of the time in AC2 since they're sorta close in time before everyone started talking about it....we should probably get back on topichttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

itsamea-mario
05-23-2010, 02:43 PM
sorry, to mention it again, we did romeo and juliet, but we did it at the time assassins creed 2 was announced to take place in italy, and when we read the book and watched the film, all i could think was 'assassins creed assassins creed assassins creed', pretty sad really.

anyway, im sure giovani wouldn't have minded marrying an eighteen year old, at 14, giovani would only have been about 16 when they had fredrico, i think, and about 20 when he had ezio, if ive got my dates right that is.

RedSpider
05-23-2010, 11:04 PM
Yeah, this baffled me when I played it aswell...
And some of the characters look older than Ezio, but they're younger...Like Machiavelli, who is 10years younger. I just think they could've done a better job with the aging process... Maybe they shouldn't have made it take place over such a long period of time, considering the stationary conditions of Maria and Claudia. Idk...maybe i'm being too picky... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
And didn't they say in his VT that Petruccio died of an illness? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Lazybeans
05-24-2010, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RedSpider:
Yeah, this baffled me when I played it aswell...
And some of the characters look older than Ezio, but they're younger...Like Machiavelli, who is 10years younger. I just think they could've done a better job with the aging process... Maybe they shouldn't have made it take place over such a long period of time, considering the stationary conditions of Maria and Claudia. Idk...maybe i'm being too picky... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
And didn't they say in his VT that Petruccio died of an illness? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a fictional game of course, so I'm thinking they had to take some liberties with the age of the characters and whatnot. I've always been a bit confused about Maria and Claudia's places in time, but I guess they're from an earlier memory of Ezio's and he never saw them again. They're primarily for technical game use, with Claudia as the agent for managing money and the villa and Maria being the source for the feather collection achievement (which could be completed at any time - I did when he was probably the same age as his mother!). Maybe they could have changed them up a bit over time, but it was probably more practical to just leave them there as a function of a memory of Ezio's.

For Petruccio's description, they were going off of "official records" that wouldn't have mentioned that he was wrongfully executed at 12 or whatever years old. The same goes for Ezio, where his entry stops mentioning him after his own accusation of treason. Mostly, you wouldn't want the plot ruined for you early in the game!

RedSpider
05-25-2010, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lazybeans:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RedSpider:
Yeah, this baffled me when I played it aswell...
And some of the characters look older than Ezio, but they're younger...Like Machiavelli, who is 10years younger. I just think they could've done a better job with the aging process... Maybe they shouldn't have made it take place over such a long period of time, considering the stationary conditions of Maria and Claudia. Idk...maybe i'm being too picky... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
And didn't they say in his VT that Petruccio died of an illness? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a fictional game of course, so I'm thinking they had to take some liberties with the age of the characters and whatnot. I've always been a bit confused about Maria and Claudia's places in time, but I guess they're from an earlier memory of Ezio's and he never saw them again. They're primarily for technical game use, with Claudia as the agent for managing money and the villa and Maria being the source for the feather collection achievement (which could be completed at any time - I did when he was probably the same age as his mother!). Maybe they could have changed them up a bit over time, but it was probably more practical to just leave them there as a function of a memory of Ezio's.

For Petruccio's description, they were going off of "official records" that wouldn't have mentioned that he was wrongfully executed at 12 or whatever years old. The same goes for Ezio, where his entry stops mentioning him after his own accusation of treason. Mostly, you wouldn't want the plot ruined for you early in the game! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That actually makes a hell of a lot of sense, didn't think of that. Thankyou http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif