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foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 11:17 AM
Guitar players, you've got to see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQr01jAaZaY

foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 11:17 AM
Guitar players, you've got to see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQr01jAaZaY

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 11:41 AM
Sorry, but everytime I hear Pachelbel's infamous 'Canon et Gigue 3 Violinis (sic) con suo Basso' (T.337, circa 1695), in one of these ridiculous super-slow sentimental arrangements for the gin bottle and spoon, or whatever, instead of the original three parts for violin and a basso continuo, I just need to puke.

Skillful but excruciating. Circus. Like singing with the mouth full of apple pie.

Poor forgotten Pachelbel should put a organ tube through the ears of all these after death killers.

general_kalle
10-07-2006, 11:42 AM
Amazing

simply amazing how such simple music can be so good. the melody and the sounds

Fantastik http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 11:46 AM
@ DuxCorvan, I believe the guy is working on a version with 3 violins and a bass at the same time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

general_kalle
10-07-2006, 11:50 AM
another version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglPkJaLfhk&mode=related&search=)

:-)

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 11:50 AM
Pachelbel's canon is not 'simple music'. It's a series of canonic variations on a bass ostinato of eight notes. One of the parts makes a variation, and is repeated by a second one, while the first starts a new variation, and by a third while the second one follows the first and the first starts another, etc, all in perfect counterpoint and perfect canon. With this structure:

1st violin: AABBCCDDEEFF...
2nd violin: -AABBCCDDEEFF...
3rd violin: --AABBCCDDEEFF...

It's incredible how such perfect architecture can be converted into a harmonical blotch of sweet turtle-speed guitar chords, perfect for nursing the untrained ears of a whole generation of people spoiled by the immediate qualities of pop music.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by foxyboy1964:
@ DuxCorvan, I believe the guy is working on a version with 3 violins and a bass at the same time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He does not need to: it's been in the market for 300 years.

BTW, this canon is followed by a gigue, but everybody forgets to play the latter, since it doesn't fit well with supermarket Muzak.

foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 11:54 AM
He does not need to: it's been in the market for 300 years.


What? All played by one guy.

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by foxyboy1964:
He does not need to: it's been in the market for 300 years.


What? All played by one guy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ok, the guy is going to play three violins and a continuo bass -generally one harpsichord and a cello- on his own. What for? To save the wages of four musicians?

While I may admire this circus exhibit for the skills it needs, from a strictly musical point of view, it has not more merit than farting through a trumpet.

leitmotiv
10-07-2006, 12:09 PM
Concur 1000% with DuxCorvan---a musical atrocity, elevator music.

foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 12:11 PM
Oh come on now Dux, it's got quite a bit more merit than that. The guy is a guitar player, so he takes the instrument he loves and a tune he loves and put's them together. Is that really so wrong? Not only that but he plays it on 2 guitars at the same time, which is quite impressive. The version he plays is not offensive, he doesn't "rawk" the a$$ off it. Compared to many of the canon in D covers you hear on youtube it's actually quite pleasing.

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 12:39 PM
I think you don't get my point. I have nothing against the guy, nor against your tastes.

But you see:

I'm a music lover, and when I say music lover, I MEAN music lover. A music composition is a work of art, but contrarily to most other arts, except theatre, it has to be performed to exist, and exists only while it is performed.

The work of an artist is his inheritance for the next generations, and he or she exists in posterity, only if his/her work remains as his/her creation.

Music should not be different to other arts, and a musical work should be respected -as far as possible- in the way his creator intended and created it. For example, no one would dare to paint a moustache on Mona Lisa, mess with the dome of St. Peter Vatican, and everybody would laugh about a replica of Michelangelo's 'David' made of smashed potatoes.

Unfortunately, the performing-based nature of music denies her this kind of respect, and the intrinsecal nature of the original work is corrupted and lost a bit for posterity with every 'free' reinterpretation of the same music, getting more apart and apart of the original artistic concept and making the author's memorial die a bit with every 'innovative' approach. Like painting with sprays over the Sixtine Chapel.

Sorry, but independently of this guitarrist's good intentions, and despite it being a 'nice' performance, Pachelbel intentions are ignored and forgotten for the sake of a 'well sounding' adaptation to please the taste of a modern audience.

Sorry, but this is the 'smashed potato' version of the canon.

foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Its funny Dux, I was thinking that you dont get my point. I too am a music lover and I agree with your analogy with the Mona Lisa. If Beethoven says "this is the way Moonlight Sonata should be played" then who is going to argue with him. However, my original post was addressed to guitar players and I stated that they "had to SEE this", I didnt say it is the sweetest rendition you will ever hear.

Taking your logic a little further would forbid anyone from playing anything other than the way the original composer intended. I'm sorry, but I just dont buy that. If you play guitar and you like the sound of a piano piece then by all means play it. Sure, its never going to sound like a piano, but that doesnt mean it wont sound nice and have merit.

If , on the other hand, you go to The Proms and the BBC Orchestra start playing Bach on electric instruments then you have grounds for complaint. But for all we know, the guy in that video doesnt have access to other musicians. Does that mean that he shouldnt try? I think not.

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 01:01 PM
Oh well, IMHO, the BBC Orchestra shouldn't play Bach at all -they do it with the a$s- and the Proms are boxed sht for half-asleep old ladies, but I understand your point. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

foxyboy1964
10-07-2006, 01:05 PM
Truce? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

DuxCorvan
10-07-2006, 01:18 PM
Nooooo! War on The Proms! Penitentiate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://www.vahistorical.org/cole/i_massacre01b.jpg

Monty_Thrud
10-07-2006, 06:10 PM
Wonderful...dont you just love music

x6BL_Brando
10-07-2006, 06:35 PM
I can't wait for the cover version

Peachball in da 'hood - cool!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif B.

Taylortony
10-07-2006, 06:56 PM
Hmmm While technically very well done it just does not imbibe me with the same feeling as a full orchestra can at the Royal Albert Hall where I heard this played so well.

One player with 2 guitars no matter how technically gifted can never uplift you and fill the air with such wonderful music as this piece as it should be played, I also heard it played in Wells Catheral many years ago and the wall literally brought on a magical effect as notes seemed to be plucked out the still air.....


What next for yourtube to denegrate, that famous womens complaint perhaps.... Hair on a G String?

Bach would be rolling in his grave.

Beuf_Ninja
10-07-2006, 07:25 PM
As a bedromm wannabe guiter player I found that very inpressive, especially the fast arpeggio's in the middle with the right hand might I add. I understand however that the pure classical fans won't appreciate the immense technical level of ability that has to be acheived to produce the clip. I'd love to see what that guy can do with a song like Led Zepps Since I been lovin you. Nice find

Beuf_Ninja
10-07-2006, 07:29 PM
Oh and music is art, art is open to interpretation, and reinterpretation although derivative still has value.

"He who can copy, can do." Da Vinci

Badsight-
10-07-2006, 09:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Sorry, but everytime I hear Pachelbel's infamous 'Canon et Gigue 3 Violinis (sic) con suo Basso' (T.337, circa 1695), in one of these ridiculous super-slow sentimental arrangements for the gin bottle and spoon, or whatever, instead of the original three parts for violin and a basso continuo, I just need to puke.

Skillful but excruciating. Circus. Like singing with the mouth full of apple pie.

Poor forgotten Pachelbel should put a organ tube through the ears of all these after death killers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>i know what you mean

with YouTube being populer with the internet masses - its like its the first time hearing this peice for a lot of people tho . . . . . one version of Cannon , is one of the most highly watched YouTube videos

for someone reading this thread who wants to find more guitar stuff on the Internet - they should look up Kazuhito Yama****a , or Zuefei Yang