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MADMANofMOH
10-01-2004, 02:59 AM
noob forum would only serve to keep the noob a noob, the lil p#$ckers need to fight thier way to advancement among the others as all have, it is to thier benefit.

no offense intended......

-HH- Beebop
10-01-2004, 07:30 AM
In another (locked) thread it was mentioned that there should be a "noob" forum as the poster said they were tired of seeing "How do I do this?" and "How do I do that?" all the time. Personaly I enjoy seeing these kind's of posts. It means that the game is getting fresh blood into it. It means more people will get as addicted to IL-2 and it's decendants as most of us are. It means that more people will buy more flight sims and hopefully keep the genre viable as a commerical venture.
Besides, I enjoy helping out newcomers the way I was helped when I first started flying this sim. And, I continue to learn things by the newcomer's questions or remember things I forogt. And, there are always new links to new info and material.
As far as I'm concerned, bring the "noobs" on. ("They're not just for cannon fodder anymore.") http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-HH- Beebop
10-01-2004, 07:30 AM
In another (locked) thread it was mentioned that there should be a "noob" forum as the poster said they were tired of seeing "How do I do this?" and "How do I do that?" all the time. Personaly I enjoy seeing these kind's of posts. It means that the game is getting fresh blood into it. It means more people will get as addicted to IL-2 and it's decendants as most of us are. It means that more people will buy more flight sims and hopefully keep the genre viable as a commerical venture.
Besides, I enjoy helping out newcomers the way I was helped when I first started flying this sim. And, I continue to learn things by the newcomer's questions or remember things I forogt. And, there are always new links to new info and material.
As far as I'm concerned, bring the "noobs" on. ("They're not just for cannon fodder anymore.") http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

reddevil49
10-01-2004, 08:19 AM
I agree with what you are saying. If it was'nt for the influx of new peeps, flight sims could be in a lot of trouble. I think that a slight few of the old salts forget what it was like to be a noob, and need some help with a problem. Now don't get me wrong, as 99% of the old vets, as I like to call them, are ther in a flash with help and advice. Its just that 1% that needs to try and remember that noobs are the future of the flight sim world. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zeus-cat
10-01-2004, 08:52 AM
I like to see Noob questions to. People helped me out with some excellent advice and now I like to help out the new guys.

Zeus-cat

civildog
10-01-2004, 10:42 AM
The idea of a "NOOB Forum" is pretty childish.

The gamers that have been playing for a while need to remember that they were NOOBs once, too. Helping out those who are new to the game by answering questions about the basics not only helps out our fellow simmers, but helps the experienced players review the basics.

To paraprhase Richtofen: Just find the enemy and shoot him down. All else is rubbish and showing off.

crazyivan1970
10-01-2004, 10:55 AM
noob forums will not prevent from cocky oldtimers or aces wannabe from poping up and doing the same thing they do in gen. discussion. That`s why mods are here. Besides, alot of replies needs to be red with a grain of salt, if ya know what i mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif....Some stand up comedians on this forum hehe

9th_Spitin
10-01-2004, 10:57 AM
I agree with CivilDog. I think that if the noobs were in a seperate forum, then who would look at thier questions and reply? NOOBS? As for the guys that cant stand the NOOBs questions, go find a Crotchety Old Farts Forum and talk about them good old days and complain about them young whipper snappers.

I get alot of good simple advice from reading the noobs questions and the Helpers answers. Live and let live so we have some noobs to shoot down.

Zeus-cat
10-01-2004, 11:08 AM
Crotchety Old Farts Forum - now there is a great idea!!! Sign me up.

Zeus-cat

Woofdang
10-01-2004, 01:40 PM
Can you help this noob?

With so many planes and missions I'm having a hard time finding a plane that is nible, fairly quick that would be best for a new player, especially for multiplayer fights. So far the I-135 is my choice but it isnn't working out for well for me in most multiplayer fights because of the faster planes?

Anyways can someone pick 2 planes you recommend I spend time with as a new player so I can build some solo missions with these plans to get some practice in?

Oh the Spitfire seems nible and quick but does it have the best "at average speed" turn radius? Meaning If there is a plan that is faster and turns tighter but requires more skill I would like to spend my time flyng and practicing in that plane.

-- W

BpGemini
10-01-2004, 01:53 PM
Pipe down n00bs!
I'm trying to sleep.

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Fresh blood is a good sign for the game. Those who dislike it are unconsciously eager for the game's demise.

BSS_Goat
10-01-2004, 01:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
go find a Crotchety Old Farts Forum
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

Korolov
10-01-2004, 01:58 PM
Woofdang - Try the La-7 or Yak-3. These are fast, agile planes that can hold their own pretty well. Just watch their dive limits.

civildog
10-01-2004, 02:03 PM
Yeah, and the Yak-3P has those 3 cannons for easier mayhem!

And don't worry about it if others whine about you flying "NOOB planes" - any real pilot with a lick of sense would use the best plane he could find. And the ones crying about the NOOB planes seem to be the same ones flying Doras, K-4's, Franks, and Spitfires anyway. Or are just bad shots.

Woofdang
10-01-2004, 02:20 PM
Thanks!

-- W

BpGemini
10-01-2004, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivilDog:
Yeah, and the Yak-3P has those 3 cannons for easier mayhem!

And don't worry about it if others whine about you flying "NOOB planes" - any real pilot with a lick of sense would use the best plane he could find. And the ones crying about the NOOB planes seem to be the same ones flying Doras, K-4's, Franks, and Spitfires anyway. Or are just bad shots. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not true.
Some vet sticks like a challenge (myself included) but I don't care what my opponent flies either and since that should be the main point....


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Howie A
10-01-2004, 03:18 PM
Do any of you vets now how to handle becomimg single again and enjoying FB instead of sex http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

RedDeth
10-01-2004, 03:55 PM
only a frikin noob would ask for a noob forum

crazyivan1970
10-01-2004, 03:58 PM
Here`s one of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Atomic_Marten
10-01-2004, 03:59 PM
Personally I think that people that asks questions with answer CTRL+F1 are not simmers nor they enjoy this game more than any other.

But I agree that is spectacular stupid of some individuals that make fun of those ppl because of that. n00b forum bla-blah... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

crazyivan1970
10-01-2004, 04:00 PM
here`s another one...

Covino
10-01-2004, 04:30 PM
How about a Newbie Questions Sticky? That way, any newbie question threads started can be immediatly closed and it ought to ward off some of the old sharks.

BTW, why are all the German gunsights off-center? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Atomic_Marten
10-01-2004, 05:00 PM
No Covino. Actually nothing is wrong with German planes. When once in cockpit, you should press CTRL+F1 and they will get in center so you could succesfully aim at target. When you are landing again press CTRL+F1 to de-center it, so you can land easier. In your controls panel by default that key is mapped by CTRL+F1. You can change it. Mine map is SHIFT+F1. Good luck.

ASM 1
10-01-2004, 05:00 PM
whats this Ivan? 3 strikes and you're out? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

lol

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Atomic_Marten
10-01-2004, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
whats this Ivan? 3 strikes and you're out? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. I think that he is figured by now that he is exaggerate a little.

Bearcat99
10-01-2004, 07:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
As for the guys that cant stand the NOOBs questions, go find a Crotchety Old Farts Forum and talk about them good old days and complain about them young whipper snappers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here ya go...... close enoughCOFR (http://www.cofr.net/)..... Crusty Old Fossil Rockers.

As far as Noobs go......thats what the Sturmovik Essentials link is for....

crazyivan1970
10-01-2004, 07:51 PM
I was talking about cocky oldtimers, what are you guys talking about...baseball? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sunflower1
10-01-2004, 08:28 PM
I have a different take on the NOOB forum thing. Came to me while I was foundering with my X-45 programming.

Why not make it sort of like a petting zoo?

The crotchety old farts can draw the line in the sand by some measure, like # of posts, and once you're over that limit, its read-only.

Sorta like healthclubs for women; a safe environment in which to be fat, or in this case ignorant.

I assume the NOOB post limit would be considerably higher than mine...

Then you could watch the NOOBS decide what was worth bringing to the crotchety old farts and what they'd try to work out themselves.

Probably get some stuff out of that situation that, as they say, "you couldn't make up."

FI.Snaphoo
10-01-2004, 08:45 PM
N00b forum? Can we call it that? I'm sure that will send more people flocking to this already floundering genre. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Good way to run people off? Label them with something that nobody likes. Everyone was new once, it amazes me that people continue to launch that phrase at new players as an insult, when not too far in the distant past, they too were asking similar questions. No one was born with the ability to do this stuff. Everyone has questions. The best way to run them off is to start calling them names.

I, personally, have attempted to thank everyone who has helped me through the phases of figuring out this game. And I'll thank the people who will help me in the future when I have a momentary lapse of logic, or when I just can't figure something out.

For those who might think, or even say, "Well, that's what they called me when I started out. Why shouldn't the new players suffer the same fate?" Break the cycle. No one likes to be singled out for their short comings. No one enjoys asking for help. It's hard enough to admit defeat and ask for help without some arrogant jerk calling you names as well as insulting you for asking your question. Which is exactly what a "segregated forum" would do. All of the new players would feel isolated and relegated to 2nd class status, made to feel as though information from a "veteran player" was word from heaven on how to play a game.

I'm sure no one is arrogant enough around here to think that a N00b forum/thread is necessary. The egotism necessary to make that leap of logic is dumbfounding. However, a FAQ thread might be a good idea. Lists of Frequently asked questions that any new player might want to know, as listed by the players who should know. All of you "experten" out there who should have the knowledge, and are willing to give it freely to those who need it.

Thank you.

Tully__
10-02-2004, 02:12 AM
I also think that a "noob" forum is a silly idea. Ubi provide these forums primarily a as a means for players to share information about the game. General discussion is the appropriate place for newb questions, it's the more advanced stuff that should have it's own forums. For this reason we have Community Help for the technical questions, Mission Builder forum for the mission design stuff, the Paint Schemes and Movie Makers forums for the specialised gaphics stuff etc.

If you want forums where there is almost no newb type questions you can always spend most of your time at places like SimHQ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.