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AIRMIKEY
02-17-2004, 06:25 AM
The best thing I have done in a while to improve my online game is to follow the advice of some others and lower my resolution to 800 x 600...For what little you lose in graphics satisfaction you more than make up for in situational awareness...Of course I am referring to no icons servers, which is pretty much all I fly.. At these settings, the frustrations of pixel hunting are over...much more playable as I hated pad-looking...and the benefits and immersion of Trackir is even more heightened.

Regards,

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AIRMIKEY
02-17-2004, 06:25 AM
The best thing I have done in a while to improve my online game is to follow the advice of some others and lower my resolution to 800 x 600...For what little you lose in graphics satisfaction you more than make up for in situational awareness...Of course I am referring to no icons servers, which is pretty much all I fly.. At these settings, the frustrations of pixel hunting are over...much more playable as I hated pad-looking...and the benefits and immersion of Trackir is even more heightened.

Regards,

Airmikey

ps. Probably some of you squaddies and veterans already know this, so I hope I don't look too out of date with my latest revelation..http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jobace
02-17-2004, 07:43 AM
can you explain me whats the improvement?
i use 1024 res 32bit
what benefit would i have if i lower to 800?
trir1
thanx

Rajvosa
02-17-2004, 07:50 AM
Bigger pixels?

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BM357_TinMan
02-17-2004, 08:08 AM
rgr that,

I've been playing FR for quite some time now. First, using the mouse to look around, and most recently, using TrackIR to look around.

I was EXTREMELY stuborn about turning down my resolution to 800x600 because I have a fairly high end system and wanted all the quality graphics I could get.

I finially gave into the CO's proding to turn the resolution down and YES I did loose some of the quality of the images even with Anti Alais on. HOWEVER, plan form recognition is MUCH easier and it is a lot easier to track enemy planes against the ground and from further out.

To me, this is an acceptable compromise.

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TooCooL34
02-17-2004, 08:08 AM
More res gives you more SA since it looks more detailed at far distance. Frankly, it's terrible to fly in 800 * 600, clumsy to identify from a distance.
Turning down res is not a good idea, but you can get more fps by that.
I'd rather recommend decent VGA.

After all, it's all about framerate. If it's enough, no need to turn down res.



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ELITE1499
02-17-2004, 08:33 AM
airmikey is right...

toocool is wrong

im leaving

TooCooL34
02-17-2004, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELITE1499:
airmikey is right...

toocool is wrong

im leaving<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bye bye http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif



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ELITE1499
02-17-2004, 08:48 AM
lol

BaldieJr
02-17-2004, 08:52 AM
Bah. Wictchcraft and guestimations.

800x600 makes spotting distant plane easy, yes, but reading tail numbers etc becomes more difficult. If all you do is QMB or kill-kill-kill, this is fine, but teamwork becomes difficult, at best.

The trick is to turn off the silly crap. You'll get super-smooth frame-rates and superior visibility.

Set all settings to highest (if you're card can handle it!) except terrain detail.. Set that to the lowest possible setting.
DO NOT USE EXCELLENT TERAIN LIGHTING!!!!!!
DO USE HIGHEST OBJECT LIGHTING!!!!
Set your resolution to 1024x768, 32-bit color, and the highest refresh rate your monitor will allow. Use Antialiasing if your card can do it. Anisotropic filtering is fine, since turning terrain detail way down will cause distant airfields to become blurred.

I forget what its called... that switch that turns off 'perfect'.. turn that garbage off.

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
02-17-2004, 09:06 AM
To me this sounds like the approach of someone whose main consideration is scoring points. i.e., playing a GAME. Perhaps you should go play pac-man and rake up the big numbers.

Granted, there is 'scoring' involved so it has the game element and I don't like to be shot down, prefering to be able to shoot others down. If scoring kills wasn't fun I would just tool around on FS2004. However, MY main consideration is to play a SIMULATION. I enjoy the history associated with this game and considering how dangerous the real task was and how noble the pilots were to sacrafice themselves to it. I know it's not perfect and that real life resolution is much better than a computer screen, still I feel low resolution is less real than high resolution. Personally I'll stick to enjoying the 'beautiful artificial reality' and continue to get shot down repeatedly by the arcadies.

It's all a matter of personal taste.

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Old_Canuck
02-17-2004, 09:39 AM
Better idea ... when you see OC on your six, hit the big button on your monitor. Sure it goes black for a second but you'll still have sound. Yes, you'll be missing some of the details but think of that warm glow you'll have knowing you've helped a mediocre marksman to get more enjoyment out of the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ELITE1499
02-17-2004, 10:05 AM
this thread has become sucky...

BM357_Raven
02-17-2004, 10:17 AM
I just stumbled across this thread after posting a similar one.

The correct answer is: 800 x 600 makes spotting bandits easier at full switch.

No room for argument here boyz, if you dont agree with AIRMIKEY, in theory, then just go try a FR game with a higher res, then switch it down to 8x6 and voila, the enemy aircraft suddenly appear. Thanks AIRMIKEY...

800x600 gives you 2x to 3x more long distance visi over the 1024...At full switch you will perform better... Next best thing to getting a 100 inch monitor!

If you fly in icon games or with mini-map icons, then ignore this post and fly whatever you like...

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georgeo76
02-17-2004, 10:38 AM
It's a shame that lower rez = higher visibility. Seems that AC should be more visible even in higher rez settings. What really bugs me, is that @ long distance your enemy is just a dot. So, when you zoom in to get a better look, he's still just one dot and gets smaller as you zoom in.

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Slammin_
02-17-2004, 10:39 AM
I'm still trying to figure out what TrackIR has to do with this :P

BaldieJr
02-17-2004, 10:46 AM
Oh well.

If you just want a blob to chase after, 800x600 is perfect. I recomend also turning down all setings, and binding the following keystrokes to an easy-to-use button:

` + Sorry! I'm not a TKer normally! + ENTER + ENTER

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XyZspineZyX
02-17-2004, 10:48 AM
Georgeo echos my sentiments exactly.

It pisses me off that I'm "punished" for using 1024 x 768 because of the failings of the graphics system.

The other thing is, I don't like to keep changing screen resolutions; it creates system instabilities and problems going to desktop. I like to use the same res for just about everything I do on the PC.

However, I guess "stooping" to 800 x 600 is better than the alternative: inconsistent dots and disappearing planeshapes.

BaldieJr
02-17-2004, 10:49 AM
Don't wimp out at 800x600.

You can get larger lumps of coal at 640x480.

Put your resolution lowest and don't look back.

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ELITE1499
02-17-2004, 10:51 AM
oh this topic is getting better!

TheGozr
02-17-2004, 10:52 AM
To me it doesn't matter Noway i'll go to 800x600.. I don't care to reconize someone far since i fight only close combat.. Lets them come...

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ELITE1499
02-17-2004, 10:54 AM
close combat is a great game btw.

Gozr, when you said, "Let them come," i thought about LOTR. wow. great movies

ASH at S-MART
02-17-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AIRMIKEY:
The best thing I have done in a while to improve my online game is to follow the advice of some others and lower my resolution to 800 x 600...For what little you lose in graphics satisfaction you more than make up for in situational awareness...Of course I am referring to no icons servers, which is pretty much all I fly.. At these settings, the frustrations of pixel hunting are over...much more playable as I hated pad-looking...and the benefits and immersion of Trackir is even more heightened.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I understand the *idea* behind lower rez, thus bigger pixels, thus ezer to spot a bogie.. But what does it have to do with TrackIR? It is true for any and all view controls... Keyboard, HAT, Mouse, etc..

On this note.. it is sad that I went and spent all that money on a better vid card so I could up the rez.. and now I get punished for it.. I hope they address this *cheat* in BoB.. Yes I said cheat! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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tascaso
02-17-2004, 11:55 AM
Interesting thread...I am currently running in 12 by 9 with an Nvidia FX5700 Ultra...I like the resolution...I can spot targets far enough away to setup an attack solution. The graphics are pretty much maxed out. I do tweak the contrast, and gamma along with color settings,,, image sharpening etc. The plan forms are nice you can ID ForF at descent distances. My CPU is an AMD XP2700 and I kick in a Gig of Corsair 2700 just for fun. It runs 45- 90 FPS depending on location and the number of AC up in the air. It is adequate for VEF and COOP...no if only the pilot were worth a hoot!

Tony

georgeo76
02-17-2004, 11:59 AM
you know what? you low-rez guys were right! I just flew a little and I could see bogeys from so much farther away.

Like I saw this one guy through the canopy of my G2. He must have been 10km or more away, so I had plenty of time to position myself for the kill. No luck however, because as he got closer I realized he was just a fellow 109, and I went looking for other targets.

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Of course had I kept my normal rez, I might have realized it was really a hurricane!

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BM357_Raven
02-17-2004, 12:24 PM
georgeo:

quote "when you zoom in to get a better look, he's still just one dot and gets smaller as you zoom in."

I know!!! What's up with that? When I zoom in, I usuall lose 'em... lol...

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TheGozr
02-17-2004, 01:42 PM
Beware at 8x6 you may confuse ennemy and your shadow.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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adlabs6
02-17-2004, 02:08 PM
What this has to do with TIR is that you can scan more quickly and still spot dots that are harder to see at higher resolutions. It's true, I've done it myself using Cam2Pan, hatswitch, and mouse. 800x600 really makes it easier, even on servers that aren't set to "realistic". Friendly icons only are no good at helping spot enemies, by 800x600 is.

I remember playing FB at 1280x960 for a while, and indeed the graphics are pretty nice stuff, I was not at advantage as often, as I was often the victim of a surprise that I could have more easily spotted at 1024x768 or 800x600.

I run FS2004 at 1280x1024x32 at 60Hz, since I'm out to enjoy the world's scenery, and seeing a single pixel doesn't mean virtual life and death. But when I need to be the best I can be at DF in FB, I run at lower resolutions.

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AIRMIKEY
02-17-2004, 05:41 PM
Adlabs beat me to it... It enhances the benefits of Trackir cause Trackir rocks with icons on..you can see where everybody's at at a glance - but in full real etc. the dots are so small you have to really hunt for them...

BTW, I ran my graphic settings at excellent before so its not a FPS issue for me... actually I still have graphics maxed, just lowered the res.. Guess it also benefits me cause I boom n zoom alot...

At the end of the day, it really improves my enjoyment of he game, try it, You'll like it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ASH at S-MART
02-17-2004, 06:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AIRMIKEY:
Adlabs beat me to it... It enhances the benefits of Trackir cause Trackir rocks with icons on..you can see where everybody's at at a glance - but in full real etc. the dots are so small you have to really hunt for them...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dissagree with both of you than.. First off I dont think TrackIr is faster than the other methods.. Espically if you edit the config.ini file and speed up the HAT.. But lets assume that TrackIR is faster..

When icons are off.. and resoution is hight.. faster panning is not better!! You have to scan the area (ie pan slowly) to spot those dots at a distacne.. Thus TrackIR would be more harmful then helpful..

But at 800x600 it speed wouldnt really mater much.. big ol dot there hanging in the air.. Even the HAT at normal speeds would be more than enough speed to check around..

In short, TrackIR... if faster will hurt you at high rez, and is no extra help at low rez.

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Snoop_Baron
02-17-2004, 06:26 PM
I noticed this the other day when I played a track with no icons on my laptop which is running at 640x480. Wow spotting the dots was much much easier compared to my regular resolution ~1280x1024 (It's around there of the top of my head).

With that size dots at my normal resolution I think I would actualy enjoy playing with out icons (normaly use limited icons). But with my current rez everytime I've played no icons it has been nothing but frustration and squinting at the monitor. If my sight was that bad in real life I'd be a real threat on the road http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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