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msalama
02-11-2005, 06:04 AM
Hello.

How the &%&#! do you kill Ju-88s??? Yeah, sure I'm just fooling around without a clue anyway for the time being, on account of being a total greenhorn - and fighting AI only, albeit tooth and nail, at this point - but how the heck was them stick insects built so STURDY?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I mean, I _think_ I'm doing OK otherwise & am even learning something - even a D-9 Dora got her pretty a** whipped by me & my itty bitty Yak-3 the other night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif - but killing these @#!%# abominations just don't fit into my minuscule head at all. Mindja, stuff like He-111s are usually easy(ish, because as you know they are pretty pants anyway), so this is not a general bomber-related thing either - I sort of do know how to avoid their tail gunners etc. already.

But where are the weak points in a Ju-88, pray tell???

A 1000 thanks & a virtual pint to anyone who cares to share their divine knowledge with this humble person! *bows*

PS. The exact subtype is Ju-88A-4. Dunno if they differ somehow as regards of armor plating etc...

msalama
02-11-2005, 06:04 AM
Hello.

How the &%&#! do you kill Ju-88s??? Yeah, sure I'm just fooling around without a clue anyway for the time being, on account of being a total greenhorn - and fighting AI only, albeit tooth and nail, at this point - but how the heck was them stick insects built so STURDY?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I mean, I _think_ I'm doing OK otherwise & am even learning something - even a D-9 Dora got her pretty a** whipped by me & my itty bitty Yak-3 the other night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif - but killing these @#!%# abominations just don't fit into my minuscule head at all. Mindja, stuff like He-111s are usually easy(ish, because as you know they are pretty pants anyway), so this is not a general bomber-related thing either - I sort of do know how to avoid their tail gunners etc. already.

But where are the weak points in a Ju-88, pray tell???

A 1000 thanks & a virtual pint to anyone who cares to share their divine knowledge with this humble person! *bows*

PS. The exact subtype is Ju-88A-4. Dunno if they differ somehow as regards of armor plating etc...

FliegerAas
02-11-2005, 07:33 AM
Aiming for the engines works for me. Especially when flying US planes, because .50's are not designted for Bomberinterception http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

VW-IceFire
02-11-2005, 07:38 AM
High six stern attack. Dive through the Ju-88s and let loose on the area between fuselage and engine. There's a fuel tank there.

AWL_Spinner
02-11-2005, 07:51 AM
I find '88s way easier than Heinkels. In all the match-ups I've flown with an eight-gun Hurri, anyways. I agree with IceFire. I always try to climb above until slightly ahead and then turn and dive in, it's a highly flammable aeroplane if you nail it where the wings meet the fuselage.

msalama
02-11-2005, 08:37 AM
Thanks fellas. Wings & fuselage joint you say? OK, I'll keep this in mind... and bejasus if these geezers ain't soon reduced to goodness gracious great balls of fire... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

S!

F19_Ob
02-11-2005, 09:31 AM
The attack may differ a bit depending on aircraft.
U mentioned yak3 wich is a fast fighter and with good hardhitting ammo in both mg's and cannon.

U by now probably know that its possible to use up the ammo fast in a yak3 because of the high rate of fire.
When fighting fighters short burst from close range are to prefer so one doesnt end up without ammo amongst angry fighters.

Bombers are a different matter though.
They are slower and fly a predictable course.
This is particulary good news for a yak3 pilot since he can open with his fastfiring flat trajectory mg's outside the bombergunners range until cannon range where both weapons can be used.
The mg's in the yak3 is one of the most potent mg's in ww2 and they were so effective that many pilots thought one mg was all that was required (like in some yak9's)
Some yak3 pilots claimed that they didnt need the cannon, only the two mg's.

So non-maneuvering targets like bombers can actually be taken out by yak3 mg's alone and u can cut a fuselage in half or saw of a wing.
The mg's reach about 900m and from behind no deflection is needed.

I though prefer highspeed passes and thus come frome behind and above in a shallow angle. This though requires minor lead but after some practise u can land lots of hits from beyond 500-600m and may even disable the bomber before u reach it wich means u can disengage for a new pass or leave. The slight dive also makes the bombergunners aim more difficult than if u come from directly behind wich may result in a lucky hit even on long range and damage U.
This way its possible to take out 2 bombers and still have some ammo left for the jurney home.
When U get the hang of firing the mg's from long range U will notice u can more often take out a bomber in one pass instead of several and expose yourself less for defensive fire.


In my opinion the most difficult part to get used to in this tecnique was that when I started firing I was maximum zoomed in so I could correct my aim and when closer maximum zoomed out. So one have to feel the right moment to switch zoom.

In the beginning the burst from long range will likely miss because u normally dont fire at those ranges at all, and its a good idea to record tracks to see and adjust it and to practise with mg's only.

The tecnique also works well against fighters in some specific situations like when an enemy with superior E climbs away from u. Its absolutely possible to cut a wing or a fuselage with relatively few hits even on around 500m on a fighter on top of his climb.


In my opinion the 2 yak3 mg,s are better than the single cannon because it cuts through and thus cant burst on the edgesurface of a wing and only cause minor damage.
In combination with the cannon it has enormous punch.
Personally, if I had to choose between the cannon or mg I'd like the mg's.



my 3 pennies worth.

msalama
02-11-2005, 10:52 AM
Thanks F19_Ob.

Loads of info there - will try this far-range shooting method you described. Yeah, like those MGs too - pack a punch dem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

msalama
02-11-2005, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I always try to climb above until slightly ahead and then turn and dive in. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AWL_Spinner: that sounds like a good method as well. Thanks!

StellarRat
02-11-2005, 05:28 PM
Always attack bombers at high closure speed if you want to live. I usually dive through them at around 700+ KPH from the front. It will take multiple passes to bring one down if you don't have the MK108 cannon of death, but you won't get hit often that way. Of course, if you can find a spot where they have no gun coverage that works well too. Attacking slow from behind is always bad idea.

msalama
02-12-2005, 02:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Attacking slow from behind is always bad idea. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So they say - and it is - but...

msalama
02-12-2005, 03:25 AM
Guys,

I tried something interesting just a moment ago. I deciced to check out two things, because first off I was a bit worried about this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=6971028072) (see the bit about IL-2 having been dulled down), and secondly I just wanted to try out this weird idea of mine.

So I loaded up my trusty old 1941 IL-2 series 1, took off, and went after those pesky stick insects. And it worked! I got them all in five minutes or so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I used F19_ob's far-range shooting method with a curved six approach. The tail gunners of course shot at me, but the fire was pretty ineffectual so I escaped unharmed.

So what was the objective of this, i.e. taking a slow ground attack plane against bombers?

1) The Sturmo is a flying tank capable of taking a lot of punishment, so I thought I might as well get some added protection against those gunners.

2) The Sturmo is slow, so you're in the same speed bracket with the bombers, meaning your manouvering never gets too hectic. This is not too bad a thing in a flying tank, because you can just shrug off an odd shot or two.

3) Sturmo's MGs seem to be murderous.

4) Stupid & cretinous brute force methods are always cool anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now, as regards of a Yak-3 vs. these abominations, well... the jury is still out so to speak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. Forgive my ignorance, but were IL-2's ever used or tried against bombers IRL - any idea?

PPS. Couldn't notice anything wrong with the FM.

PPPS. Of course, things would've been completely different if these guys had had a fighter escort - would've been a suicide mission then...

PBNA-Boosher
02-12-2005, 06:27 AM
Aim for the greenhouse canopy, the wing roots, the fuel tanks between the engines and the wing roots, or the engines themselves. Also the areas outboard of the engines on the wings are vulnerable too. It's overall a very vulnerable plane, but you have to place your bullets and cannon fire well in order to down it. Try to come in at awkward angles, or at least keep changing your rudder direction often. Make the gunners guess. Comiing in from the 3 or 9 O'clock position is actually a great place to begin, and I've also noticed that when you come in head on, 1 or 2 cannon rounds to the cockpit usually brings it down. The nose gunner also tends not to shoot during head ons.

msalama
02-12-2005, 07:26 AM
Good tips too Boosher.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Make the gunners guess. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. This, I'm starting to realize, is the most important thing of them all, no matter who you're against!

msalama
02-12-2005, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I tried something interesting just a moment ago. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...whereas I clearly should've tried to RTFM 1st before posting that blurb - sez there that IL-2I was the bomber interceptor version, so reinventing the wheel a bit there it seems http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

No wonder then that it went so well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Thanks for answering everyone!