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Pirschjaeger
11-09-2005, 10:24 PM
I was just curious and expect that the RAF did use P-47's but I'd like confirmation. I'm also curious as the what the paint sceme would have looked like. Did they use the invasions strips?

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-09-2005, 10:24 PM
I was just curious and expect that the RAF did use P-47's but I'd like confirmation. I'm also curious as the what the paint sceme would have looked like. Did they use the invasions strips?

Fritz

Daiichidoku
11-09-2005, 10:31 PM
Burma

Enforcer572005
11-09-2005, 10:41 PM
the p47D, both razorback (t-bolt1) and the buble canopy (t-bolt2) were used extensively by the RAF in Burma, being the primary fighter for that theatre and replacing the hurricane as such. they had the standard grey/green camo scheme used on all thier other planes at that time. No, i never saw them with invasion stripes to my knowledge, because they were used in Europe i believe.

The RAF had considerable success with the plane in that theatre.

Pirschjaeger
11-09-2005, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
Burma </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, maybe I should have added a little more detail.

For years I have been trying to decide which two allied a/c I will fly regularly, when flying red. The Hurri was an easy choice but I've had a hard time deciding the second. I simply don't like the Spitfire. If I fly red I want to fly RAF, RCAF, or for Poland.

I like the P-47 but it seems like only the Americans and Russians were using them over Europe.

So, did the RAF, RCAF, or Poland use them whith there own paint schemes?

Fritz

Enforcer572005
11-09-2005, 11:24 PM
the RAF didnt use the 47 in europe at all. I dont think anyone but the US did, as the soviets only got about 200 of them and the navy used them.

The Mexican air force also used them in the pacific, in US markings.

im sure someone has made an RAF skin for the 47s,but i have no idea where. They didnt fly them over europe though.

horseback
11-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Welcome to the Dark Side!

The only Polish pilots flying P-47s were doing so unofficially with the 56th FG. In early summer of 1944, the 56th was having many of their original contingent returning to the US, their combat tours completed. This left them with a high percentage of inexperienced pilots.

Francis Gabreski, who had flown several combat flights with a Polish squadron flying Spitfires, had maintained his friendships with the pilots in that unit, and knew that the RAF had rotated many of the 'old lions' to desk jobs for a rest (the last thing they wanted). He cleared it with his CO, Hub Zemke, and then asked a few if they'd like to come fly with the 56th FG. 5 or 6 accepted the opportunity, including Mike Gladych and Witold Lanowski.

Several of them scored with the P-47, Gladych getting at least 10 confirmed, finishing the war in a jet-black P-47M adorned with his personal emblem, a Penguin.

If you think that you'd rather fly Mustangs,303, 306, 315 & 316 'Polish' Squadrons flew Mk III and IV Mustangs with some distinction.

cheers

horseback

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 01:40 AM
Thanx Horseback

I want to fly LW, RAF, RCAF, or distinctively Polish. Sorry, I dislike the Mustangs very much.

Did the RAF ever buy any Russian planes?

It seems to me that maybe the P-47 is out. I'll have to choose another. Too bad, I like that flying Art Deco Buick.

Fritz

WOLFMondo
11-10-2005, 01:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
Burma </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, maybe I should have added a little more detail.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were used just like Typhoons where in Europe, in the cab rank system. They'd be called up via the RAF's/SEAC intranet style communication structure to give close air support were needed. I think the RAF had about 700 of them and all exclusivly in Burma and Egypt.

IL2skins used to have some really nice Burma skins. I have them in my collection. If you want them PT me and I'll mail them to you.

F19_Ob
11-10-2005, 01:54 AM
My books also say that RAF used p47 "exclusively" in Burma.

RAF P51's however was used in europe and several ended up in sweden since their routes to combat at northern coasts of occupied europe made it a good and easy place to find if damaged or lost over the sea.
One of the p51's wich emegency landed in sweden had been escorting B-17's to Russia.

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 02:04 AM
Thanx for the info guyz. Wolf, is it possible you could post some screenies of those skins? I probably would use them since I only fly northern and western Europe, but I'm curious to see them anyway. My pm option doesn't work so good. Seems to be something with living in China.

What would be my choices of fighters for RAF, RACF, and Poland for northern, western, and eastern European campaigns?

Fritz

WOLFMondo
11-10-2005, 02:13 AM
Sure thing. I'm currently late for work so can't do it now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif but will do it when I get home.

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 03:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Sure thing. I'm currently late for work so can't do it now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif but will do it when I get home. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thx dude http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Yer a real Wolfmondo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

F19Gladiator
11-10-2005, 04:35 AM
Just a small note in the margin:
I will remember the Brazilian squadron flying in support of the offensive in Italy used P47. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
Right?

jasonbirder
11-10-2005, 05:29 AM
Everyones already boxed this one off nicely... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Outside of the USAAF the RAF were the biggest user of P47s - primarily used them in the Burma

JG53Frankyboy
11-10-2005, 05:29 AM
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47.html

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Monguse
11-10-2005, 05:33 AM
F19Gladiator,

Yes they were the Brazilian Expeditionary Force. IN 1944 they were attached to the 350th Fighter Group

no popups
Read more here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=469617

Skins are also available from Gavca (great group of guys I might add)
http://www.gavca.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=22 (http://www.gavca.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&amp;d_op=viewdownload&amp;cid=2 2)

Hope this helped


'Guse

PBNA-Boosher
11-10-2005, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

Did the RAF ever buy any Russian planes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't believe they ever did. I DO know that there was a Unit CO who used a Yak in Africa and the Med. Someone posted a pic of it a few months back, may have been a year or two actually.

The French Normandie-Niemen group that fought in Russia flew Yaks. After their territory was liberated, the Russians granted them leave of service to join the French Air Force. As a sign of gratitude for their work in the skies over Russia, they were gifted by Stalin with their Yakovlev fighters, which they used for, I think, the remainder of the war.

JG53Frankyboy
11-10-2005, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

Did the RAF ever buy any Russian planes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't believe they ever did. I DO know that there was a Unit CO who used a Yak in Africa and the Med. Someone posted a pic of it a few months back, may have been a year or two actually.

The French Normandie-Niemen group that fought in Russia flew Yaks. After their territory was liberated, the Russians granted them leave of service to join the French Air Force. As a sign of gratitude for their work in the skies over Russia, they were gifted by Stalin with their Yakovlev fighters, which they used for, I think, the remainder of the war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the war in europe was over when the NN flew with its Yak3 home to france.

Daiichidoku
11-10-2005, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

What would be my choices of fighters for RAF, RACF, and Poland for northern, western, and eastern European campaigns?

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


spitfire, spitfire, and spitfire

oh, and a bit of mustang thown in

all NOT what you want...understandibly so, as those two "won the war"

when we get the mossie you can use that for your RAF fix in ETO, although yanks used em too, they didnt have a lot of em, mostly "service test" excuses, and one (or more) recce sqds used em

AFAIK, only 3 polish fighter sqds in RAF, used spits all the way, other polish sqds were bombers, on heavies

RCAF much the same as polish, spits or heavies....but im not sure, maybe typhoons as well

youre SOL if you wanna fly cool types, bud...but for survival's sake, for red, stick with the Jug or Lighnin

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 09:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 09:29 AM
Hey! Did the RAF ever capture a P-47? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
11-10-2005, 10:01 AM
Dont like thie spitfire??? SACRILIGE! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously, what can you not like about the Spit 8 and 9? The only thing I dont like about the Spit 5 is the low ammo load. Its a plane that does everything pretty well and some things very well.

The British never bought planes/engines off the Russians, just got conned into giving away all theirs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Game of snooker old chap? You can have our latest Rolls Royce jet engine if u win, DOH)

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Dont like thie spitfire??? SACRILIGE! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously, what can you not like about the Spit 8 and 9? The only thing I dont like about the Spit 5 is the low ammo load. Its a plane that does everything pretty well and some things very well.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats the problem. I don't like planes that do everything well. I want a challenge. I personally feel you can never be a good pilot in a good plane. Look at my quote. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Those who religiously fly planes like the 190, P-47, Hurri, or anything else that requires talent and skill development are the ones who usually kick a$$ in the servers.

I have always choosen the early models also. The reason is simple. When I can take out the enemy P-38 or P-51 or La7 with my 109F or 190a4 I have earned that kill honestly. Too many depend on their late war a/c to obtain kills and never develop their full potential. Then they curse me for shooting then down in my trainer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I love it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Fritz

WOLFMondo
11-10-2005, 10:28 AM
The Spitfire doesn't do everything well! Its slow compared to its late war contempories, has poor high speed roll, wing mounted armament (I would class nose or inner wing mounted guns as superior), short range (apart from the VIII), to little ammunition, armour for only the pilot and nose fuel tank.

Capt.England
11-10-2005, 11:03 AM
Here's a picture of a RAF P-47 Razorback. It looks like European Camo. to me?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/pigman1971/17-4-2002-9-23-p-47_thunderbolt_raf.jpg

What do you think?

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 11:05 AM
My experience with the Spit allowed me to shoot anything before it got close enough to force me to roll. I believe it is the most stable gun platform we have. But I haven't tried it with the last two patches so maybe that has changed. It's flaps made it capable of extremely slow speeds and a very tight turning radius.

When I flew the 109f2/4 or g2 against it online I found it was always easy to defeat. But when I flew the Spit I found 109's to be a bit of a cake walk. I found most Spit flyers have no idea of the true potential the Spit has. I assumed this was because they are the same guyz typically flying the P-51 or La7. It seems to me that people who fly these planes rely too much on their plane and never develop their skills.

They never seem to learn it's the pilot, not the plane, then curse Oleg's unfair flight models because a lesser plane kicked their ***es.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 11:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.England:
Here's a picture of a RAF P-47 Razorback. It looks like European Camo. to me?

What do you think? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do I think? It's a flyable 48 Buick with camo,....simply beautiful. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Bonus, it's a razor back. It's all that and a bag of chips.

It does look European doesn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-10-2005, 11:44 AM
The Razorback in the picture is undergoing trials at A&AEE in the U.K. Spring 1944.

A unit of RAF P-47's in 'European' camo served in a training unit in the Middle East.(No73 OTU)

The rest of the Raf's stock went out to SEAC to replace Hurricanes from late 1944.

It is believed that the P-47 had the best loss per sortie ratio of any RAF fighter. Only seven being lost to anti-aircraft fire. The RAF took delivery of 825 Thunderbolts and service was almost exclusively over Burma.

Source: British Warplanes of World War II: Combat Aircraft of The Royal Air Force and Fleet Air Arm 1939-1945. Edited by Daniel J. March. Grange Books, 2000.

lrrp22
11-10-2005, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I was just curious and expect that the RAF did use P-47's but I'd like confirmation. I'm also curious as the what the paint sceme would have looked like. Did they use the invasions strips?

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about Free French Thunderbolts?

The French flew P-47's in the ETO and MTO- both razzorbacks and bubbletops. No RAF combat sqn's flew the P-47 in Europe.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/joel.blanc/jallier/images/P47D4226157.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-10-2005, 12:19 PM
There was a unit of P-47's in the U.S. 8th Air Force (I think it was led at one stage by Gabreski) made up of Poles who had served a tour of duty in RAF Polish squadrons, who found the idea of flying for the Americans more appealing than flying a desk for the British. The Squadron retained much of it's Polish/RAF identity.

F19Gladiator
11-10-2005, 12:36 PM
Hi 'Guse,
Thanks for the confirmation and the links. Some nice P47 skins there too!
WW2 ETO was not entirely about the big and well known air forces.

F19 Gladiator

horseback
11-10-2005, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weep not, my friend. Polish Squadrons also operated Beaufighters (I made a 1/48th conversion of the Tamiya -the specific Beau I modelled used Merlins- that was made for a buddy based in Chicago to give to his Polish Canadian Uncle who flew them with that unit), and many Poles Flew Typhoons and/or Tempests within regular RAF & RCAF squadrons during their wartime careers. Do you have access to Osprey's Aircraft of the Aces series? I think Vol. 21 is Polish Aces of WWII...

By the way, I really liked the 'Art Deco Buick' reference.

cheers

horseback

p1ngu666
11-10-2005, 01:12 PM
polish tiffy? bet that scared the germans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

WOLFMondo
11-10-2005, 01:21 PM
Some screen shots of P47 skins. I don't know who the creators are though so please take credit where its due cause some are really good. My favorite all time P47 skin is the SEAC 615 Sqd skin.

http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3423
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3424
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3425
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3426
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3427

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lrrp22:

How about Free French Thunderbolts?

The French flew P-47's in the ETO and MTO- both razzorbacks and bubbletops. No RAF combat sqn's flew the P-47 in Europe.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure! I could fly for the French. My 109 has acup-holder and my P-47 has an ashtray. Luxury I say, luxury! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The French AF in WW2 is kinda like the French football team in the last World Cup; I kinda forgot they were even there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Oooops http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Irrp, I think you helped me to make my decision. I'm at least 90% decided. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

109E,F,G2 and 190A4/5 for the LW

Hurri for the RAF

P-47 for the FAF

This should keep me over Europe and close to home. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by horseback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weep not, my friend. Polish Squadrons also operated Beaufighters (I made a 1/48th conversion of the Tamiya -the specific Beau I modelled used Merlins- that was made for a buddy based in Chicago to give to his Polish Canadian Uncle who flew them with that unit), and many Poles Flew Typhoons and/or Tempests within regular RAF & RCAF squadrons during their wartime careers. Do you have access to Osprey's Aircraft of the Aces series? I think Vol. 21 is Polish Aces of WWII...

By the way, I really liked the 'Art Deco Buick' reference.

cheers

horseback </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beaufighters are not a bad plane but I'm not much into twin engines. The Tempest and Typhoon don't exsist in our virtual world.

I like the P-47 a lot. It reminds me of the old sci-fi movies. I can imagine it as being the villian's get-away ride in the first superman comics.

But really, it does look like and Art Deco Buick doesn't it. The B-17 has always been the late forties Cadillac while the DC-3 is the family version 57' Chevy. Strange, I know, but I like my strangeness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Some screen shots of P47 skins. I don't know who the creators are though so please take credit where its due cause some are really good. My favorite all time P47 skin is the SEAC 615 Sqd skin.

http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3423
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3424
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3425
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3426
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3427 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Fritz

chris455
11-10-2005, 09:03 PM
Sooty makes 2 awesome RAF P-47 Far East skins, look here under "New Stuff".

http://members.cox.net/cx570578a/_htmdir/_HomePg.html

Daiichidoku
11-11-2005, 12:07 AM
italians also traded in spitfires for 47s, much to thier dismay

should have said you dont mind flying french
p 63s and p 38s

WOLFMondo
11-11-2005, 12:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Some screen shots of P47 skins. I don't know who the creators are though so please take credit where its due cause some are really good. My favorite all time P47 skin is the SEAC 615 Sqd skin.

http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3423
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3424
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3425
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3426
http://wolfgaming.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3427 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Problem solved:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c156/mondo_1978/73sqd.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c156/mondo_1978/34sqd.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c156/mondo_1978/615sqd.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c156/mondo_1978/unknown1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c156/mondo_1978/unknown.jpg

Pirschjaeger
11-11-2005, 01:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
italians also traded in spitfires for 47s, much to thier dismay

should have said you dont mind flying french
p 63s and p 38s </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Honestly, I forgot about the French. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Fritz