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Chivas
11-13-2007, 05:44 PM
Pros and Cons of a LCD monitor and 1080P LCD TV running at 1920x1080.

Will the aircraft dot be more visible on a 32"LCD TV than a 24" LCD Monitor running the same Resulution?

Will there be a much difference in picture quality between 32" TV and 24" monitor, running same resulution.

Does the TV's 120HZ improve picture quality over a Monitor's 60HZ? Seen a demo at TV shop...that it apparently does...but not sure if this is hype

Do TV's run at 8 bit and Monitors at 32 bit? Does this represent color?

It seems possible to buy a high quality 1080P TV with a larger screen for the same money.

You can run much higher resulutions with a Monitor but I'm running at 800X600 with maxed out AA and AF just so I can see the aircraft dots alittle easier on my CRT.

Any other Pros and Cons?
Already has TV tuner.

Chivas
11-13-2007, 05:44 PM
Pros and Cons of a LCD monitor and 1080P LCD TV running at 1920x1080.

Will the aircraft dot be more visible on a 32"LCD TV than a 24" LCD Monitor running the same Resulution?

Will there be a much difference in picture quality between 32" TV and 24" monitor, running same resulution.

Does the TV's 120HZ improve picture quality over a Monitor's 60HZ? Seen a demo at TV shop...that it apparently does...but not sure if this is hype

Do TV's run at 8 bit and Monitors at 32 bit? Does this represent color?

It seems possible to buy a high quality 1080P TV with a larger screen for the same money.

You can run much higher resulutions with a Monitor but I'm running at 800X600 with maxed out AA and AF just so I can see the aircraft dots alittle easier on my CRT.

Any other Pros and Cons?
Already has TV tuner.

Stiletto-
11-13-2007, 05:55 PM
I forget what model it is, but PCGamer did a test of the top in lcd monitors and the top 1080p tv's, you know what won? The HDTV. It looked better in quality than the monitors and was larger too, and similar in price, so it pretty much beat them on all 3 accords but the model name is slipping me, pretty sure it was a 32 inch Westinghouse. Obviously there are some pretty great computer monitors out there and some pretty **** HDTV's, you need to look at them on an individual basis and not just group "computer monitors are better than tv's" or vice versa.

As for your screen resolution you are currently using, I think you can get away with **** x 768 pixels.. After that is when the planes start to get real small, but ofcourse, it also depends on monitor size, my 24 inch crt at 1280x768 will have larger looking pixels (and planes) than a 17 inch monitor at a similar resolution.

Basically, the bigger the screen is, the higher res you can run as far as finding aircraft, as long as you sit the same distance away.

WTE_Ibis
11-14-2007, 03:14 AM
The larger the screen the more video grunt you need to move all those pixels.
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WOLFMondo
11-14-2007, 03:31 AM
It really depends on the specific TV or monitor.

You can get very good large LCD TV's, the Sony Bravia's are very nice but I've not seen a LCD TV that compares in visual quality to a top end 23-30" TFT monitor like the BenQ's or the Apples.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
The larger the screen the more video grunt you need to move all those pixels.
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A 32" 1920x1080 TV will take less power to move stuff around than a 24" 1920x1200 screen.

SeaVee
11-15-2007, 04:31 AM
Hi Chivas,

The 1080P LCD TV route is awesome. I started with a 37" Westinghouse 1080P and graduated that to the bedroom and then got Westy's 42" model for the PC. They run at 60HZ btw. I think its BS that a 1080P LCD TV runs at 120HZ.

The immersion factor is huge and the resolution is more than sharp enough. I sit about 34-37" from the screen as well and its not too close with 1080P.

IMO the additional screen real estate on a 32+ inch 1080P LCD TV far outweighs the slightly higher resolution on a 24-27" PC LCD. Also $$ per sq. in. of screen on the TV is less i think.

Just be sure its a true 1080P tv, not the lower resolution 720P. For PC applications it is a BIG difference in graininess. I'm pretty sure its now hard to find too many 1080P LCD TVs/Monitors if the screen is less than 37". Most of the smaller ones are now 720P.

TheGhostFiles
11-15-2007, 04:55 AM
What people do not know is the performance increase you get on LCD/HDTV when using a good video card/HDMI setup. The reason being: The simulation runs at 640x480, The video card (like the ATI x1950) converts the signal. This is why you can run the sim at resolutions up to and beyond 1900.

Therefore, your only concern is this: How far you sit from the screen. If you are close, 32-37" 52dot matrix is optimal. If you sit far from the screen, a larger screen might be better depending on the matrix. 42" and up, 1080p is recommended. Less than 42", 1080i 60hz is enough.

GF

EiZ0N
11-15-2007, 07:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGhostFiles:
What people do not know is the performance increase you get on LCD/HDTV when using a good video card/HDMI setup. The reason being: The simulation runs at 640x480, The video card (like the ATI x1950) converts the signal. This is why you can run the sim at resolutions up to and beyond 1900.

Therefore, your only concern is this: How far you sit from the screen. If you are close, 32-37" 52dot matrix is optimal. If you sit far from the screen, a larger screen might be better depending on the matrix. 42" and up, 1080p is recommended. Less than 42", 1080i 60hz is enough.

GF </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm confused, this doesn't make sense to me.

The simulation runs at 640x480?

TheGhostFiles
11-15-2007, 07:28 AM
Yes, it does. This is why you can run the sim at higher resolutions with the newer video cards, and not suffer frame rate loss, but actually increase frame rates. The video card does the conversion with ease.

On a HDTV 32" Vizio, I have a beautiful picture @ 1440x900 using a HDMI cable. The colors are outrageous, and my video card settings are nearly maxed out. 4AA 32AF with quality settings on.

ATI x1950Pro AGP is a very powerful video card, and does not require a very powerful Power Supply. 550watt PS is good enough.

HDTV and the new video cards will carry 1946 for a few years, imho, and may even fair well with BOBSOW. I read BOBSOW will be Opengl, so a DX10 card will not be needed.

The good nvidea/ATI cards are cost/effective if you get a large screen display, and really fun to use with 1946.

MAW sound mod: One thing MAW has shown us is the possibility to improve 1946. I believe there is much life left in 1946 providing the developers
address patches/addons.

GF

Chivas
11-15-2007, 11:45 AM
Hi SeaVee

I'm interested in a Sharp AQUOS LC-32D62U 32" LCD HDTV around $900

Specifications
Screen Size Class 32"
Diagonal Measurement 32-1/2"
Panel Type Advanced Super View / Black TFT LCD Panel
Pixel Resolution 1920 x 1080
Brightness 450 cd/m2
Viewing Angles 176º H x 176º V
Lamp Life 60,000 hours2
Audio System 10W + 10W
Tuning System ATSC/QAM/NTSC
Dynamic Contrast Ratio 10,000:1
Native Contrast Ratio 2000:1
Aspect Ratio 16:9
Response Time 6ms
HDMI Input 2 (1080p compatible)
HD Component Input 2 (1080p compatible)
S-Video Input 1
Composite Video Input 3
Audio Inputs (L/R) 4
Back-light System 4-wavelength

I'll have to look more into that Hz thing. I know the game quality is improved when I change my CRT from 60HZ to 85HZ. Don't all LCD monitors run at 60HZ and can't be changed? The TV guy suggested that is one thing that {new?} TV's have over Monitors is that they run at 120HZ.

TheGhostFiles
11-15-2007, 12:05 PM
A bit pricey for me.

There is no motion blur with 60hz in 1946.

120hz would be required if you watch a LOT of football and other fast action sports. I don't so it was not a prerequisite.

You cannot compare CRT to HDTV in terms of Hz.

GF

SeaVee
11-15-2007, 04:45 PM
Chivas, Sharp Aquos are good tvs.

Remember that a 1080P "TV" monitor is still at the end of the day an LCD TV, same as the LCD "PC" monitors and they ALL run at 60HZ as far as I know. Only the older CRT technology can run at higher Hz.

You may want to check out his site for ALOT of info - perhaps more than you want to know - about all the various TV/LCD technologies including very specific reviews on brands and models:

www.avsforum.com (http://www.avsforum.com)

Here is the link for the display device forums, within that scroll down and look for the LCD FLAT PANEL DISPLAYS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Chivas
11-15-2007, 11:51 PM
That is one scary pic you posted SeaVee. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

WOLFMondo
11-16-2007, 12:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGhostFiles:


ATI x1950Pro AGP is a very powerful video card, and does not require a very powerful Power Supply. 550watt PS is good enough.
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Its powerful but 256mb is not enough for most newer games coming out. It hasn't got enough memory to run larger textures. It will be a huge bottle next on a large 16:10 or 16:9 resolution.