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son-in-law
07-13-2006, 03:35 AM
Hello folks,

I am a BIG BIG Noob in the Il-2 Sturmovik scene, and am searching for a place where I can learn to play this game.

(Don€t get me wrong, I ain€t a noob in the game industry, been playing all my live but just now wanted to start with flight sims.)
I bought 2 Logitech joysticks (the Logitech Extreme" 3D Pro and the Logitech 3D Force Feedback. Don€t know which one to use best.

I also have installed Il-2 forgotten battles, Ace expansion and pacific fighters.
Already tried to fly a plain, take of works with some difficulties and in the air I can keep the plain steady, but here comes my problem list: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

-I always have the problem that the plain stalls after a while.
-How do you get a steady aim on another aircraft?
-How does one aim at ground attackers?
-what view do you use while flying? Is there a best view or do you sometimes use the cockpit view and sometimes an extern view?
-Am I the greatest Il-2 Noob ever?

Someone€¦. Please €¦€¦€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

son-in-law
07-13-2006, 03:35 AM
Hello folks,

I am a BIG BIG Noob in the Il-2 Sturmovik scene, and am searching for a place where I can learn to play this game.

(Don€t get me wrong, I ain€t a noob in the game industry, been playing all my live but just now wanted to start with flight sims.)
I bought 2 Logitech joysticks (the Logitech Extreme" 3D Pro and the Logitech 3D Force Feedback. Don€t know which one to use best.

I also have installed Il-2 forgotten battles, Ace expansion and pacific fighters.
Already tried to fly a plain, take of works with some difficulties and in the air I can keep the plain steady, but here comes my problem list: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

-I always have the problem that the plain stalls after a while.
-How do you get a steady aim on another aircraft?
-How does one aim at ground attackers?
-what view do you use while flying? Is there a best view or do you sometimes use the cockpit view and sometimes an extern view?
-Am I the greatest Il-2 Noob ever?

Someone€¦. Please €¦€¦€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

carguy_
07-13-2006, 03:48 AM
Just to cheer ya up I say I had the same problems.I was completely green few years back too.And I`m one of many. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

slipBall
07-13-2006, 03:54 AM
Best to learn through time, and practice, it is not a easy learning curve. Some reading of flight theory will help alot, help's to have rudder pedal's, good luck

Markku38
07-13-2006, 04:30 AM
No, you're not alone http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

It needs practice, practice & practice...frustration comes too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Just take time to practise and don't give up - take some break and fly again.

For me, it takes some weeks to learn and still I'm not a good pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

F19_Ob
07-13-2006, 04:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by son-in-law:
Hello folks,

problem list: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

-I always have the problem that the plain stalls after a while. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
One can stall at any speed and it usually depends on how hard u pull the stick. Stalling is also used as a maneuver in combat, depending on situation.
I however suspect u mean that your speed gets too low in dogfighting wich results in a stall andpossibly causes the plane to snapstall or spin.
Most of the earlier allied planes before 43 are low on power compared to their opponents.
For example if u fight bf109's in a Hurricane or P40 one on one, U will most likely lose the fight.

It takes a while to learn to conserve energy in combat. One tip is to never engage enemies higher than u, if u can avoid it.
Always try to get more height, but be careful and avoid climbing in enemy territory in early allied planes.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">-How do you get a steady aim on another aircraft? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Check your stick settings...they may be too sensitive. U can adjust it in game. I have set my sensitivity down quite a lot for aileron, elevator and rudder, wich makes the plane behave more lika a real plane, and gives more steady aim too.

No enemy that is aware of u will give u an easy shot if they can avoid it.
The best way to improve your aim is to practise deflectionshooting on short and long ranges in quickMissionBuilder. Remember to record tracks so u can se if your burst went infront or behind the enemy, and correct your aim if need. (best way)

Online u may encounter people that nail u from seemingly impossible angles and they have likely trained that skill for years.
Understanding deflectionshooting is the key.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">-How does one aim at ground attackers? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Far infront of them. Practise deflectionshooting often.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">-what view do you use while flying? Is there a best view or do you sometimes use the cockpit view and sometimes an extern view? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Personally I always have cockpit on and use the most outzoomed view while tracking planes and in dogfighting, so I get the best possible allround vision. Occasionally I zoom in on a plane at distance, often when trying a long shot at an extending enemy.
I usually don't use outsideview unless I watch a track and nowadays I don't use Icons either.

Wich views U use should always be up to u, but if u wan't to fly on more difficult servers online I suggest only pit on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">-Am I the greatest Il-2 Noob ever? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif Probably as noobish as any of us old hands were in the beginning.

Remember that u also can record tracks online and cycle through the players and watch how the experts do it, and steal their tricks.

Learning your opponents planes specs versus your plane is always a good idea.
Give yourself some time, theres no hurry.

rnzoli
07-13-2006, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by son-in-law:
I bought 2 Logitech joysticks (the Logitech Extreme" 3D Pro and the Logitech 3D Force Feedback. Don€t know which one to use best.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome, and I recommend to test them first. Connect one of them, calibrate with it's own software, then start the game, go to Hardware Setup-&gt;Controls.

You will see a big rectangle field on the left, with small red and green rectangles moving in it when you move the joystick. Try pulling the red rectangle (input from the stick) in straight lines across the field in different directions, slowly and steadily and make sure that the red rectangle is NOT jumping around randomly at all, but follows your hand movements smoothly and accurately.

Then repeat with the above with the other stick and see which is smoother and more accurate.

If any of them makes the red rectable jump around like a grashopper on a sunny afternoon, stay clear of that one.

If both of them are okay, I recommend the force feedback one, as you get a shake on the joystick as a warning sign of stalling out due to pulling the stick too much. Make sure not to pull it more, when you feel a gentle shake on the stick during flying (no firing of guns).

Take the joystick tests seriously, a bad stick can ruin your day and the Logitech people produced good sticks as well, but many complain about them too (including me).

Xiolablu3
07-13-2006, 05:15 AM
Don't pull the stick too hard.

Start in something like a Zero or a Spitfire, you can yank them about a bit without too much trouble.

Any plane will stall if you try to turn past its limits tho.

Try and be more gentle with the stick. Its all about energy management, WW2 planes are not modern hi power jets. Imagine you are flying a glider which has a bit of power to lift it as long as you dont climb too steep.

Each time you yank hard, you lose speed, if you lose too much speed then you stall. Try and keep your speed up.

-HH-Quazi
07-13-2006, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by son-in-law:
Hello folks,

I am a BIG BIG Noob in the Il-2 Sturmovik scene, and am searching for a place where I can learn to play this game.

(Don€t get me wrong, I ain€t a noob in the game industry, been playing all my live but just now wanted to start with flight sims.)
I bought 2 Logitech joysticks (the Logitech Extreme" 3D Pro and the Logitech 3D Force Feedback. Don€t know which one to use best.

I also have installed Il-2 forgotten battles, Ace expansion and pacific fighters.
Already tried to fly a plain, take of works with some difficulties and in the air I can keep the plain steady, but here comes my problem list: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

-I always have the problem that the plain stalls after a while.
-How do you get a steady aim on another aircraft?
-How does one aim at ground attackers?
-what view do you use while flying? Is there a best view or do you sometimes use the cockpit view and sometimes an extern view?
-Am I the greatest Il-2 Noob ever?

Someone€¦. Please €¦€¦€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


www.joint-ops.com (http://www.joint-ops.com) A free virtual flight school. Next class starts in early Aug. Come on in, the water is warm m8!

Capt.LoneRanger
07-13-2006, 05:42 AM
We've all been there, son-in-law.

For shooting practice, I suggest to use the QuickMissionBuilder and set up a mission with an LA7 and 4 friendly bombers - TB3 for example.

After airstarting, try to line up on the TB3 and practice your aim and most of all, to control your plane.

All you need is practice. An online-server or flight-school is also highly recommended, when you have a valid internet connection. There are many people, who gladly teach you to fly and dive deeper into your new addiction. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

son-in-law
07-13-2006, 06:57 AM
Man, am I glad with all your answers. I did not expect this many help! Thank you all for you guidelines and support. I will listen and practice to all things you€ve said here.

Although it€s hard to believe now, I hope that I can learn how to fly without all these problems. Thanks again, I hope to learn from all of you much more in the future! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rnzoli
07-13-2006, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man, am I glad with all your answers. I did not expect this many help! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think your approach to the problem was the key. This community cuts throats about a few issues, but we have been in your shoes, all of us, and your honest problem description reminded many of us where we started.

But there are some other people, who start out like this

"this POS game, planes dont even fly straight and why it falls out of the sky suddenly, must be a bug, and o man, how many **** planes, xxx plane was king in ww2, i read about this somewhere for sure, what is this rubbish russki game, does anyone have any idea how to do something with it, else i leave immediately this useless community"

Well....do I need to say that we aren't so nice with those kinds of "demands"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

son-in-law
07-13-2006, 03:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
[QUOTE]

Well....do I need to say that we aren't so nice with those kinds of "demands"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, I understand m8,http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well, about the game, I have been playing all night, setting up my joystick and played several QuickMissionBuilders. It was SOOOO GREAT to hit 4 ground targets in just one time flying over it, but I still need to practice the aim on another aircraft.

Even if I am close to it, I have major problems to hit it.. Well, hope that this will get better with practice. (And hope that my girl will let me play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif )

Taylortony
07-13-2006, 04:57 PM
These will help you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/fmbguide/intro.htm (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Echapman/il2guide/fmbguide/intro.htm)


Welcome to the Forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DmdSeeker
07-13-2006, 05:00 PM
As far as controllers go; the most vital part of set up is views; so pick the stick that has the best hat set up for you.

You can actually use both sticks.

It's not uncommon for people to use the one stick as the main axis; and the other stick as a rudder and throttle control. I've never tried it; and I'd imagine it'd take some getting used to; but I can certainly see the theory.

Concentrating on your view set up will keep you alive and get you spotting prey.

Rudders will get you the kill when you begin deflection shooting.

If the game bites you as hard as it's bitten most of us; you might be well served to look at a Track-ir as your next investment. It can be used in many other games and it makes a huge difference.

rnzoli
07-13-2006, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by son-in-law:
(And hope that my girl will let me play http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Uhhh... forget gunnery for a while and visit this link, otherwise you will acquire problems more than those stalls and aiming... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Aviation and your significant other"
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4131024633/p/1

IL2 and wife/gf is rarely compatible. At least not peacefully.

Bearcat99
07-13-2006, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:

www.joint-ops.com (http://www.joint-ops.com) A free virtual flight school. Next class starts in early Aug. Come on in, the water is warm m8! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow Quazi... I remember when this was first put out there.. but I didnt know it had taken off. Definitely an Essential.... and probably one of the best kept secrets here.

son-in-law
07-14-2006, 06:31 AM
Back again with some quick questions that I can€t find in all the stuff that I€ve already read, well, I did not finished reading yet, it€s a hugeeeeee guide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Sorry for the inconvenience but I really want to learn and play this game! (If I get as good in this game as I am in Halflife and Call Of Duty, ya€ll in for a surprise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif )

-What is deflection shooting and how do I perform it?

-What is a Track-ir?

-I don€t understand how you finish a mission. Let€s say that I accomplished a mission, where do you have to go? Is there a certain airfield where you may land? And after landing, what do you do then? I€ve already had this, that I have landed my plain, then what? I didn€t knew what to do.

-What do you do when you are out of bullets (while in a fight or whenever in air) ?

-What do you do when you have to make an emergency landing, and you succeeded doing so, what then?

-I didn€t find out how I could control the rear gunner and that other one.. I set up the auto pilot, go to the view of the gunner but can€t do nothing with it.

Tell me when I am getting annoying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

b.t.w. I did signed up on virtual flight school, thx 4 that link

RxMan
07-14-2006, 07:35 AM
Deflection shooting : you aim and fire at empty sky, where you think the enemy plane will be when the bullets get there, either in the same geometric plane or crossing geometric planes.

Track-Ir is an Infra-Red device that works with reflectors placed on your head to transmit your head movements to the game so your view changes correspondingly. This game supports only left-right and up-down movements, other games, and the furute SoW BOB will support all 6 dof (degrees of freedom).
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/


There is no basic end of mission, you just hit the ESC button and you get a scrore and then start the next mission.
There is also no refuel/rearm mode. Most rewarding thing is to land succesfully (or not) at a friendly airbase and taxi to parking area and stop engine and either jump out, then hit ESC and start again.

The rear gun is controlled by the mouse or an AI gunner, there is a key for Auto-pilot that you must use to toggle control on or off, sometimes. When you jump from the pilot seat, the plane should go into auto-pilot, and the new position goes off of auto-pilot, if you cannot control the gun, toggle the auto-pilot key (mine is A, not sure if that is default). The gun is normally controlled by your AI(computer) gunner, you have to knock him out of the way sometimes, he's a hog.