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Azula2005
07-08-2011, 01:27 PM
Alot of times people ask is the hidden blade an honest device can it really be made the way we see it work?? How does Ezio/Altair keep it out?

in other words..is the Hidden blade real?

If you search on Youtube you'll find alot of replicas

but none of them really seem to work like we want.
E.G alot of people have a string tied to their thumb
or you just flick your arm and the blade falls out..

in Assassin's creed 1, 2, Brotherhood, Revelations
we see that the Assassin flicks hes HAND not arm
and the sharp blade shoots right out
and you have the option to keep it out..

well what if you're climbing and you need to flick your hand to grap on a rope or something?

then you can only preform limited things, which in Assassin's creed is not the case

The most logical way this amazing system works is like this.....


A hidden blade is specifically made to fit the individual each one is unique..

1. you flex your forarm muscles which activates a butten

2. once the butten is activated, you flick your hand back fast(while you're forarm is flexed) that'll trigger the mechanism sending a fast steel blade shooting out

3. to keep the blade out and not bring it back, the forarm muscle must maintain tight (keep flexing)

4 then when the job is done relax your arm and that'll deactivate the butten thus sending the blade back..

Think about it, it's the only logical way
there's no other way!

people say you just have to move your hand back, your hand is always moving back while running i don't think you'll like the blade comming out randomly

i believe the way i said it, is the right way
please if you have a different idea
tell me..

As for the Hookblade..well i gotta play first XD then i'll make a thread
Thanks and have a good day cioa

Azula2005
07-08-2011, 01:27 PM
Alot of times people ask is the hidden blade an honest device can it really be made the way we see it work?? How does Ezio/Altair keep it out?

in other words..is the Hidden blade real?

If you search on Youtube you'll find alot of replicas

but none of them really seem to work like we want.
E.G alot of people have a string tied to their thumb
or you just flick your arm and the blade falls out..

in Assassin's creed 1, 2, Brotherhood, Revelations
we see that the Assassin flicks hes HAND not arm
and the sharp blade shoots right out
and you have the option to keep it out..

well what if you're climbing and you need to flick your hand to grap on a rope or something?

then you can only preform limited things, which in Assassin's creed is not the case

The most logical way this amazing system works is like this.....


A hidden blade is specifically made to fit the individual each one is unique..

1. you flex your forarm muscles which activates a butten

2. once the butten is activated, you flick your hand back fast(while you're forarm is flexed) that'll trigger the mechanism sending a fast steel blade shooting out

3. to keep the blade out and not bring it back, the forarm muscle must maintain tight (keep flexing)

4 then when the job is done relax your arm and that'll deactivate the butten thus sending the blade back..

Think about it, it's the only logical way
there's no other way!

people say you just have to move your hand back, your hand is always moving back while running i don't think you'll like the blade comming out randomly

i believe the way i said it, is the right way
please if you have a different idea
tell me..

As for the Hookblade..well i gotta play first XD then i'll make a thread
Thanks and have a good day cioa

Rakudaton
07-08-2011, 01:43 PM
I disagree.


The hidden blade's mechanism is known -- and I believe that there is no reason it should not work.

The assassin has a ring on one of their fingers (though, for some reason, this ring is not rendered on the character models in-game -- but trust me, it's supposed to be there). When they flick back the finger with a ring on, this triggers the mechanism.

Now I expect you'll say "Ah! But how does it stay out when they return their finger back to its position?"

I'm glad you asked.

Imagine a clicky-top pen. You click it once to bring the nib out; click it again and it retracts. It's hard to describe how this works without a visual diagram...

------------------\
xOxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx\
----\xxxx-------Cxx<|
-----\xxxxxxxxxxxxxx|
---------------------

OK! Now imagine the 'O' is a rod that is free to move inside these tunnels (and x is empty space) -- however, it is on a spring which tries to pull it upwards whenever possible. When you click the pen, a plunger pushes 'O' until it reaches the end of the tunnel. When released instead of falling back to the start, it has been diverted onto the middle tunnel and sticks there (represented, poorly, by 'C'. Imagine it gets stuck in there.)
When you click the pen again, the O moves out of C and is shunted onto the bottom tunnel. When you release the click, the O returns to the top tunnel once again to its starting position.


I know this is complicated and I haven't done a good diagram, but this translates perfectly to the hidden blade mechanism. Flick your ring finger out and return it; this puts the blade out and locks it into place (O is trapped in C). Flick your finger out again and in again; the blade retracts. Actually the mechanism would need to be slightly more complicated because the finger needs to actually provide the energy to make the blade move... but you can see the principle here.

kriegerdesgottes
07-08-2011, 01:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8bPxFOSrjs

This is the best one I've seen so far. If only I knew how to make it!.....Actually it may be for the best that I can't.

dchil279
07-08-2011, 02:09 PM
i'd pay that guy $500 for two of those.

EDIT: Wow it actually looks like he might be selling them for around that price.

oOAltairOo
07-08-2011, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8bPxFOSrjs

This is the best one I've seen so far. If only I knew how to make it!.....Actually it may be for the best that I can't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRR-b979QA

Original video...

Azula2005
07-08-2011, 02:31 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rakudaton:

what if you're climbing and you need to move your finger back?

Tell me something..how do you know they use a ring and string?

even on the trailers they don't have a ring on
let alone any string

you're idea is nice but it seems to far fetched
maybe they don't show a ring added in the games okay....

But not even on the trailers?

you just threw an idea at me, but show me proof, explain..

xx-pyro
07-08-2011, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gabrieldebeta:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rakudaton:

Tell me something..how do you know they use a ring and string?

even on the ters they don't have a ring on
let alone any string
rail
you're idea is nice but it seems to far fetched
maybe they don't show a ring added in the games okay....

But not even on the trailers?

you just threw an idea at me, but show me proof, explain.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It says it in the Codex I believe. Is that sufficient proof?

Azula2005
07-08-2011, 02:45 PM
It says it in the Codex I believe. Is that sufficient proof?[/QUOTE]

?In the E3 teaser trailer of Assassin's Creed (as well as in certain concept art), Alta´r can be seen pushing a button to operate his hidden blade. In the actual games, however, no such button or other trigger mechanism exists.
?In Assassin's Creed: Renaissance and the Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood novel, unleashing the hidden blade required the use of a button, via a certain muscle on the forearm being flexed.
?In an Assassin's Creed Developer Diary video, Jade Raymond speaks about Alta´r's lack of his ring finger, which is due to the initiation ceremony when a novice is promoted to an Assassin. The ring finger of the left hand is cut off, the hidden blade is installed, and the new born Assassin is ready to complete the missions bestowed upon him or her.
?The hidden blade is a crafted item in Assassin's Creed: Project Legacy. The materials for its construction are 2 Coils, 1 Iron, 1 Hide and 1 Box of Components (which in turn is crafted using 3 Gears, 3 Screws, 1 Chain and 2 Sprockets).

No finger being pulled back, only hand

http://images1.wikia.nocookie....4-10_18-35-13-61.png (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110410140611/assassinscreed/images/7/71/ACBSP_2011-04-10_18-35-13-61.png)


It's not even on the "da Vinci" art

http://images3.wikia.nocookie....-creed-2_5_460x0.jpg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110222041327/assassinscreed/images/7/7b/Eerste-info-onthuld-over-assassin-s-creed-2_5_460x0.jpg)

swiftkinfe
07-08-2011, 03:30 PM
Assassin's Creed: Renaissance in my opinion had the best explanation being a forearm muscle being flexed.I own a museum replicas hidden blade and while its not the games exact mechanisim it's enough. Besides for one hiddenblade in Altair's style of combat that would be decent.

Now from the youtube video here it seems to work.It just requires some technical knowledge but even basic models still count as hiddenblades.Museum replicas is what I like to call a standard in the sense it's mass produced and mechanics arent hard.

medcsu11
07-08-2011, 04:08 PM
Guys, before you go out looking to spend crazy prices, allow me to give you a place where I bought mine, and it works flawlessly.

http://www.cozmictoyz.com/muse...extension-knif2.html (http://www.cozmictoyz.com/museum-replicas-assassins-creed-2-ezio-extension-knif2.html)

It is an exact replica, works without a string mechanism and if you want to spend a little extra you can get the blade covering with the AC symbol.

Enjoy

AdmiralPerry
07-08-2011, 04:26 PM
There was early concept art for the hidden blade somewhere that did indeed show a ring attached to a string--the removal of the ring finger, aside from being symbolic, also seemed to facilitate the blade's placement in relation to the Assassin's hand.

oOAltairOo
07-08-2011, 04:35 PM
In the novel Assassin's Creed The Secret Crusade, it's mentioned multiple times that the blade is extended using a string attached to a ring.

The developers/designers seems to change their mind all the time...

rob.davies2014
07-08-2011, 05:33 PM
I hope they return the ring finger-wire to the Hidden Blade in AC3, it really bugs me that it's not there. One wire at the least would be swell, to control the blade. As for the gun, I would rather return to the AC2-style of shooting but if they keep the one-handed shooting in AC3, I would like the addition of a second wire maybe to the fore-finger.
That would make things a lot more logical.
Honestly, how diverse can muscle flexing be?!

kriegerdesgottes
07-08-2011, 05:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by medcsu11:
Guys, before you go out looking to spend crazy prices, allow me to give you a place where I bought mine, and it works flawlessly.

http://www.cozmictoyz.com/muse...extension-knif2.html (http://www.cozmictoyz.com/museum-replicas-assassins-creed-2-ezio-extension-knif2.html)

It is an exact replica, works without a string mechanism and if you want to spend a little extra you can get the blade covering with the AC symbol.

Enjoy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How does that blade work anyway? Also I was curious about how sharp it is, if at all sharp.

GunnarGunderson
07-08-2011, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by medcsu11:
Guys, before you go out looking to spend crazy prices, allow me to give you a place where I bought mine, and it works flawlessly.

http://www.cozmictoyz.com/muse...extension-knif2.html (http://www.cozmictoyz.com/museum-replicas-assassins-creed-2-ezio-extension-knif2.html)

It is an exact replica, works without a string mechanism and if you want to spend a little extra you can get the blade covering with the AC symbol.

Enjoy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How does that blade work anyway? Also I was curious about how sharp it is, if at all sharp. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well they say that if you sharpen it you void the wuarentee so obviously it can be sharpened

medcsu11
07-08-2011, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by medcsu11:
Guys, before you go out looking to spend crazy prices, allow me to give you a place where I bought mine, and it works flawlessly.

http://www.cozmictoyz.com/muse...extension-knif2.html (http://www.cozmictoyz.com/museum-replicas-assassins-creed-2-ezio-extension-knif2.html)

It is an exact replica, works without a string mechanism and if you want to spend a little extra you can get the blade covering with the AC symbol.

Enjoy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How does that blade work anyway? Also I was curious about how sharp it is, if at all sharp. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Internal rounded button that is sensitive to pressure. Therefore, you press your wrist out, it comes up, you press your wrist out again, it goes back. Very handy little replica.

swiftkinfe
07-08-2011, 07:22 PM
You mean theres a button I missed?!

I never got mine to work with a wrist flick button there was 2 buttons on mine and it was the same model!?

Moultonborough
07-08-2011, 08:19 PM
I hate to relate AC to Spider-man but here I go. If you look at it in the game and with the above picture it looks exactly how Spider-man gets his web out of his wrist. a good example of it is the first movie. Now back to real life. If it is possible I would think that thee is a button or switch that can get activated by a certain movement thus extending the blade. Well, that's my take of it anyway.

medcsu11
07-08-2011, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by V-rex1986:
You mean theres a button I missed?!

I never got mine to work with a wrist flick button there was 2 buttons on mine and it was the same model!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Has to be a defective model then man. Should work like a charm. Mine is old(er) and still flips right in and out.

bokeef04
07-09-2011, 12:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gabrieldebeta:
No finger being pulled back, only hand

http://images1.wikia.nocookie....4-10_18-35-13-61.png (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110410140611/assassinscreed/images/7/71/ACBSP_2011-04-10_18-35-13-61.png)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

okay, try this, place your arm flat on a table, now lift your hands while keeping your fingers flat on the table? can you do it, I know I can't as my fingers are attached to my hand and when I pull my hand back my fingers also mysteriously follow

Azula2005
07-09-2011, 10:32 AM
@Bokeef04
i'm sorry but i have no idea
What are you trying to explain here?

rileypoole1234
07-09-2011, 01:05 PM
Yeah uhh Bokeef04, I an lift my palm without lifting my fingers. I think the hidden blade actually doesn't use a string, but more of a switch, attached to the pinky finger. Like the one in this drawing(though I think it works the same for Ezio, as he has all his fingers).
http://www.xboxgazette.com/i/p...sinscreed_art_16.jpg (http://www.xboxgazette.com/i/pic_assassinscreed_art_16.jpg)

swiftkinfe
07-09-2011, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by medcsu11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by V-rex1986:
You mean theres a button I missed?!

I never got mine to work with a wrist flick button there was 2 buttons on mine and it was the same model!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Has to be a defective model then man. Should work like a charm. Mine is old(er) and still flips right in and out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really is yours white? I know theres to variations Altair(white and spotted with black) and Ezio(more looking like in development AC2). I know the Altair one flips out. But mine is a push mechanism by pressing one button and pushing the blade up.I checked mine all over and theres nothing that makes it flip can you post pics?