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Chadburn
08-16-2005, 10:36 AM
Some of you may not visit the filmmaker forum, so if you missed this new release, you're missing a great film. BTW, it's his first!! So I expect even greater in the future!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?s=c9973940fd333f...a8e94&showtopic=8862 (http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?s=c9973940fd333fd8bf9d01b69e4a8e94&showtopic=8862)

Chadburn
08-16-2005, 10:36 AM
Some of you may not visit the filmmaker forum, so if you missed this new release, you're missing a great film. BTW, it's his first!! So I expect even greater in the future!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?s=c9973940fd333f...a8e94&showtopic=8862 (http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?s=c9973940fd333fd8bf9d01b69e4a8e94&showt opic=8862)

GBrutus
08-16-2005, 11:16 AM
Absolutely bloody fantastic, one of the best Il2 films I've seen. The aerial sequences and the sound of those merlins made the hairs stand up! Awesome. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Lucius_Esox
08-16-2005, 12:06 PM
Hehe,, there will be a lot in here who don't like it I bet. I thought it was bloody excellent. I presume it was post 4.01 interesting the damage taken by the 190's in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chadburn
08-16-2005, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
Hehe,, there will be a lot in here who don't like it I bet. I thought it was bloody excellent. I presume it was post 4.01 interesting the damage taken by the 190's in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The way those 190's flame up, I think this has pre 4.01 footage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Gazoo
08-16-2005, 03:11 PM
Wow!! Great movie, very downloadable!
Get it!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

DmdSeeker
08-16-2005, 03:35 PM
Wow.

Thanks ever so much for that; that's just a beautifull piece of cinematography.

The guy's profesional; right? It's fantastic.

Taylortony
08-16-2005, 04:23 PM
Amazing, watched it 3 times in a row.... AWESOME

WOLFMondo
08-16-2005, 04:46 PM
great film, one of the best i've seen.

DadeBoy
08-16-2005, 04:54 PM
Yea I downloaded this file today. And if this is his first film, we are in for a treat.

VW-IceFire
08-16-2005, 06:01 PM
Best film this year. I've ranted and raved about it elsewhere...but do download it!

p1ngu666
08-16-2005, 06:18 PM
aye tis awsome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

good to see 109s doing what they do best, and as nature intended http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Shultze_87
08-16-2005, 07:03 PM
great film indeed!

erm i'm just curious,did they really knocked the v2s off like that?amazing mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
08-16-2005, 07:08 PM
Hi,

Yes, they did..although I doubt the Spit shown would have kept up with it.

It was too dangerous to shoot the buzz bombs (and you'd know what I mean if you've ever shot a Yak3 from close range - ka-boomski) so they tipped them with a wing. I don't know which requires more skill and bravery to be honest but it's impressive flying nevertheless.

Ta,
Norris

wildcat_86
08-16-2005, 07:42 PM
i watched it, EXCELLENT MOVIE!!!!!!!!!

very good plot, music and graphics...
great work
cya

Waldo.Pepper
08-16-2005, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">so they tipped them with a wing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Was by far the MOST RARE method used to destroy V1's.

Anti Aircraft gunfire destroyed the most.
Followed by fighter GUNFIRE.

Tipping was exceedingly rare... perhaps only a handful of times.

Lucius_Esox
08-16-2005, 11:39 PM
I've not tried it but can you tip a V1 ingame?

Badsight.
08-16-2005, 11:41 PM
yes

|Exciter|
08-16-2005, 11:59 PM
Excellent!...Just make a full length motion picture using IL2, i'd rent it buy it and watch it with popcorn again and again.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WOLFMondo
08-17-2005, 12:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:

It was too dangerous to shoot the buzz bombs (and you'd know what I mean if you've ever shot a Yak3 from close range - ka-boomski) so they tipped them with a wing. I don't know which requires more skill and bravery to be honest but it's impressive flying nevertheless.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

tempests used to shoot them as well as the wing over, they had there guns zeroed in for 300 yards. impressive flying i agree, i wish i could do that.

FatBoyHK
08-17-2005, 01:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Was by far the MOST RARE method used to destroy V1's.

Anti Aircraft gunfire destroyed the most.
Followed by fighter GUNFIRE.

Tipping was exceedingly rare... perhaps only a handful of times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I heard it is not rare.... and it is actually the best way to get rid of a V1 air-to-air. If you shoot it there was a high chance that it would explode and took you with it.

FatBoyHK
08-17-2005, 01:17 AM
oh btw, I am really amazed by the quality of this film.... A first-time afford?? I can't believe it!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Kuna15
08-17-2005, 02:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
I've not tried it but can you tip a V1 ingame? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got one over Normandy.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/Atomic_Marten/V-1screw20.gif

Kuna15
08-17-2005, 02:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
From what I heard it is not rare.... and it is actually the best way to get rid of a V1 air-to-air. If you shoot it there was a high chance that it would explode and took you with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike real life in our sim it is extremely difficult, especially for guys with twisty stick (EVO) like me. Most effective way in game is to shot it down with guns.

p1ngu666
08-17-2005, 02:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

Yes, they did..although I doubt the Spit shown would have kept up with it.

It was too dangerous to shoot the buzz bombs (and you'd know what I mean if you've ever shot a Yak3 from close range - ka-boomski) so they tipped them with a wing. I don't know which requires more skill and bravery to be honest but it's impressive flying nevertheless.

Ta,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed, need tempest. in a display of insolent supority, sabre engined tempests could overtake v1's in level flight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

WTE_Grendal
08-17-2005, 03:26 AM
That is a stunning film by Maximum Bob. Absolutely worth downloading and watching. We can only hope for more of that quality in the future.

Thanks for spotting and posting the link Chadburn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG54_Arnie
08-17-2005, 04:33 AM
Very tasty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I dare say that its actually recorded in 4.01 though. I saw only one FW going up in flames and it was in a quick headon shot, with one FW the engine stopped after a hit or two, which is something only happening since 4.01. Hispanos work quite well vs 190's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways, yeah, very enjoyable movie!

Lucius_Esox
08-17-2005, 05:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">got one over Normandy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cheers Kuna http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You do realise that I'm gonna hold you responsible for the hours I'm gonna waste and the ensuing cyberdeaths I'm gonna experience whilst trying that now !!!lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kuna15
08-17-2005, 05:45 AM
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If I may give you some suggestion, so that just may turn to be not so painfull experience.

-try to fly at approximately same speed (as much as possible) as V-1, of course maybe few kph more in order to catch it. Ideal situation will be that you make 'push' on V-1 with the same speed as 'flying bomb'.

-*do not* smack hard your wingtip on V-1s wingtip. Go easy on ailerons. Basically it will suffice if you gently touch it with your wingtip, V-1 will instantly make 180? roll and fly inverted from that point untill it hits the ground.

If you do not obey this tips especially second one, you will lose your wing every time. It is not easy and that is why I said that it is far easier to shoot it down with guns.

On the .GIF above I have approached with greater speed than V-1, and it was only a very very gentle push that saved my wing...

Waldo.Pepper
08-17-2005, 11:41 AM
From the Secret War... pages 160-164.

Here is a rather lengthey quote that explains how the V1's were countered. I think after reading it you will agree that Tipping was rare, and not as depicte in the game, as the wingtip need not actually touch the wingtip of the V1.

Earlier the Chiefs of Staff had prepared a contingency plan to deal with this situation, should it arise.
'This gave the main responsibility to the fighter aircraft along the coast; behind them there was a belt of anti-aircraft guns and around London a belt of barrage balloons. This plan didn't work well in practice, for the simple reason that when the flying bombs came over it was found that they flew a great deal faster than most of our fighter aircraft. The aircraft chased the bombs over the gun belt, which prevented the guns from firing.

'General Pile [AA Commander], Air Marshal Hill |C-in-C fighter defences | and 1 came to the conclusion that we would do a lot better if we were to move the guns down to the coast and give them prime responsibility for the defence.
'We ought of course to have asked the Chiefs of Staff before tearing up their plan but, no doubt improperly, we decided to act on our own authority and gave the orders for the guns to move down [to | the coast.'' ^ The decision to move the guns was taken on 13 July, and lour days later 23,000 men and women with their guns, radar and communication networks, were installed on new coastal sites, Lord Sandys remembers that:

The Chiefs of Staff were naturally furious. London inevitably was left undefended for about forty-eight hours while the guns were on the move and there were quite high casualties.
But the decision was quickly seen to be justified as the number of bombs destroyed rose dramatically; during the first week over 50% of all the bombs crossing the coast. The percentage rose steadily and by the last week in August stood at 83%.
The gunners were achieving much better figures for three reasons. The new coastal sites were a much better environment for the new American SCR 584 gun-laying radar - there was far less 'clutter' or radar interference and permanent echoes in open country. The shells were fused with a new 'proximity fuse' - a miniature radar set, designed to withstand the tremendous forces when fired and exploding when within lethal range of its target, turning a near miss into a hit. This was a British invention which had been developed in America and was available in quantity just in time. Finally, the gunners had a clear area to shoot in. Allied fighters were banned from it, and the guns could work on an if it moves hit it basis.

The fighters had two main zones - over the Channel in front of the gun-belts and behind the guns. They, too, had considerable success, although at first the small size and high speed of the V1's made them difficult targets; there was also the danger of exploding the 1800-lb warhead at too close range: several pilots did just that and, although some of them got away with it, it could lead to damage or the loss of the aircraft. Many pilots, however, continued to close with the V1's and shoot them down.
Wing Commander Roland Beamont flew Hawker Tempests, the fastest piston-engined RAF fighter of the day, against the VI:
'For the first few days it was rather interesting because none of us knew exactly what was going to happen; they were bombs, alter all, and they were expected to blow up. We first of all started opening fire on them from about 400) yards, for safety, from astern; they were a tiny target and we used to miss them rather consistently, and so we halved the range to about 200 yards. When you fired at that range and the thing exploded in front of you, you were travelling at 400 mph or more and you'd have no time to avoid the explosion, and as soon as you saw it you were in it and you'd go through the centre of the fire ball and come out the other side and always come out upside down. It was some time before we could figure this one out but you were in fact going through a partial vacuum as you went through the centre of the explosion. In a partial vacuum the torque of this enormous propeller had the effect of twisting the aeroplane over. It was rather extraordinary. The only adverse effects were fire damage to the outside of the aeroplane - the rudder and the elevator of the Tempest were fabric-covered and quite often this used to burn, and the other problem was that the pilots used to come back with a burn blister on their left arm. In the cockpit of the Tempest you had two air ventilators, one on either side, and the left-hand one was immediately over your left arm and in hot summer weather we were all flying in shirt-sleeves and the Game was coming through the ventilator and burning our arms, so we shut the ventilator.' There was another method of attack, even more dangerous, pioneered by Wing Commander Beamont:

'I had used up my ammunition on one VI and saw another and decided to do something about it. The idea was to get my wingtip close under the wingtip of the VI but not touching it, then gradually raising my wing causing the airflow over it to make the VI bank. This affected the gyro-stabilisation of the missile, causing it to go out of control, toppling over and crashing.'

One of the only Allied jet fighters to see service during World War II, the Gloster Meteor, also tipped over a VI. On 4 August Flying Officer Dean of 616 Squadron had closed on a VI, but his guns had jammed, so he overtook the missile and tipped it over as described by Wing Commander Beamont. This was the first time an enemy aircraft had been destroyed by a jet and the first jet versus jet encounter: the Meteor was a Mk I, EE216. Later that same day another Meteor of 616 Squadron shot down a VI: altogether 616, the only jet squadron in the RAF, destroyed thirteen V1's.

The most successful day for the defences was 28 August when, of the ninety-four bombs successfully launched, sixty-five were destroyed by the anti-aircraft guns, twenty-three by fighters and two by the last-ditch defence, the balloon barrage. Only four got to London.

As the ground forces consolidated their foothold on Europe the priority for bombing effort was such that aircraft could be spared for attacks against the VI. Rocket-firing fighters and bombers attacked the 'modified' sites, though these were difficult to knock out permanently. The supply depots were attacked by heavy bombers, but first they had to be located. Once again photographic reconnaissance was responsible. Considerable activity had been seen in an area near Paris at a place named Creil, where there was known to be an extensive system of underground tunnels, used prewar for mushroom cultivation. From agents' reports and further air reconnaissance, it was learned that the caves had been greatly enlarged by the Germans; the entrances had been strengthened and a new railway spur ran into them. There were similar caves at St Leu d Esscrat: there two sites were so heavily bombed that underground passages caved in and the entrances were blocked by landslides.

During the V1's offensive, mainly against London, the Germans were concerned to know just where their bombs were falling, so their agents in Britain were ordered by their controllers to signal back the fall of shot. So far as is known, all German agents in Britain were arrested and some were 'turned': that is, they were given the simple alternative of either being shot or working to MIS instructions. Most, if not all, chose the latter course and continued to send information back to Germany, but now operating their clandestine radios from cells in Wandsworth jail €" on instructions from their captors. They were ordered to signal that the V1's were landing to the north of London and that many were overshooting; in fact, the tendency was to undershoot. The Germans at the firing points therefore reduced the range, causing the missiles to undershoot still further. The interesting thing is that, even though the radio-equipped V1's were being accurately tracked by direction finders and reported as undershoots, such was the faith of the Germans in their agents, who were allowed to send genuine information from time to time, that the D/F reports from the radio men were disregarded as mistakes.

blakduk
08-17-2005, 08:49 PM
Great post Waldo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
The belief that heroic airmen were responsible for countering the V1 threat was encouraged during (and immediately after) WW2 as the radar guided AAA and proximity fuses were something the western allies tried vainly to hide from the USSR. As your post indicated a lot of the cedit also had to be given to the counter-intelligence agencies (Similar counters were used against the V2's which were far more deadly and impossible to stop once launched.)The full story of what they had been able to achieve has yet to be fully disclosed- its only in the last 20years that the full extent of the decoding of the German Enigma codes has been revealed.
I still have books (published in the 1960's) that credit the defeat of the U-boats in the atlantic to aerial patrols- now we know that aircraft knew exactly where to be to find them thanks to the Bletchely park code-breakers.

UK_Rocket
08-18-2005, 12:47 AM
Most impressive film!

Ok, this all begs the next question - are there any V1 missions in the game?

JG54_Arnie
08-18-2005, 04:12 AM
I think there's one under the P-51 singlemissions. Its very simple though.

but there's also some downloadable V1 missions if I remember correctly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

plumps_
08-18-2005, 05:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
but there's also some downloadable V1 missions if I remember correctly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Look for "P51 vs. V-1: Single Player Mission for AEP" on my mission download page (see signature).

DmdSeeker
08-18-2005, 02:30 PM
For those that say it's rare to tip a diver..

Explain this:

I devolped my interest in WWII aviation from my mother, a Gosport girl who saw it happen over her head (My father; an Oxford boy; is more into tanks).

Mum, who would have been 14 in the BoB; tells many an account of BoB dogfights over Portsmouth/Southampton; complete with descriptions of the eryie sound of HeIII's and the colour of tracers.

I've cross referenced me mum's tales many a time. She's been some times "wrong" (tho' she was there); but rarely so.

She's _never_ described to me a diver (she calls them buzzbombs) being shot down; but she's told me of at least three divers she saw turned over.

A small; subjective sample case; but nontheless more witness accounts for the diver than for the Ta-152.

(any one calls me mum "mistaken" can meet me in a server to be determined http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

tjaika1910
08-19-2005, 07:56 AM
Very interesting phenomenen: the fighter was inverted after flying through the explotion vacuum. Bet they got surprice after such a blast! Well that is some nice torque modeling for next generation of sims.