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MB_Avro_UK
12-15-2005, 04:31 PM
hi all,

No-one seems to appreciate the cockpit instruments in this sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

As far as I can tell, they represent accurately the aircraft's orientation,fuel,speed and engine state.

And,they are modelled accurately for each aircraft!!

Flight models and Damage models are discussed in this forum but the vital IMC/Blind flying instruments are either taken for granted or ignored.

Am I right or am I wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

MB_Avro_UK
12-15-2005, 04:31 PM
hi all,

No-one seems to appreciate the cockpit instruments in this sim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

As far as I can tell, they represent accurately the aircraft's orientation,fuel,speed and engine state.

And,they are modelled accurately for each aircraft!!

Flight models and Damage models are discussed in this forum but the vital IMC/Blind flying instruments are either taken for granted or ignored.

Am I right or am I wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

carguy_
12-15-2005, 04:42 PM
The majority of gauges does work but some do not.
I think on Soviet planes fuel gauge still doesn`t function.

On Japanese planes there are two fuel gauges showing state of fuel tanks as a whole and low fuel gauge showing few gallons I think.The second gauge does not work on the Zero,because when the main tank gauge is close to E,the low fuel gauge is still on F.

Also oil temp.gauges do not work on FW190.Oil gauge always stays at 120C while engine temp. gauge does react to radiator setting.


Also I found in one of previous versions that all LW planes have trouble with showing oil pressure drop which happens when the plane trails black smoke.

MB_Avro_UK
12-15-2005, 05:08 PM
Maybe I should have added more to my post.

When entering cloud,especially when being chased or doing the chasing and also at low level,the visual horizon is lost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

A glance at the instruments tells you what your attitude/speed/altitude/rate of descent is and prevents you emerging from cloud in an inverted and stalled condition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif.

To recover from such a situation relying on instruments is as satisfying for me as a 'kill'.

I appreciate from what carguy_ says that not all insruments/controls function but in a general sense the developers should be applauded for their efforts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

MB_Avro_UK
12-15-2005, 05:08 PM
Maybe I should have added more to my post.

When entering cloud,especially when being chased or doing the chasing and also at low level,the visual horizon is lost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

A glance at the instruments tells you what your attitude/speed/altitude/rate of descent is and prevents you emerging from cloud in an inverted and stalled condition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif.

To recover from such a situation relying on instruments is as satisfying for me as a 'kill'.

I appreciate from what carguy_ says that not all insruments/controls function but in a general sense the developers should be applauded for their efforts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

MB_Avro_UK
12-15-2005, 05:09 PM
sorry for the double post....blame my instruments!!

neural_dream
12-15-2005, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
I think on Soviet planes fuel gauge still doesn`t function. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Which one do you mean? If you mean a Yak's (don't remember which Yak), there's one that looks a lot like a fuel gauge, but isn't. The specific types had it outside the cockpit. The pilot had to lean outside etc.

neural_dream
12-15-2005, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
sorry for the double post....blame my instruments!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can still delete it. Both this one and the double post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

chris455
12-15-2005, 05:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Am I right or am I wrong </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

40% of the P-47s gauges are missing or non-functional. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
Great sim nonetheless.

Bearcat99
12-15-2005, 05:40 PM
While I think the look of these cockpits is unsurpassed... the fact that all the instruments dont function is a detractor. While what we do have is great..the moving throttles and levers and some switches and buttons... the K-14 sight... the omission of moving controls on the radiators of inline engines is IMO a biggie.

p-11.cAce
12-15-2005, 05:47 PM
I also like flying the gauges - I have a few simple missions which consist of nothing more than cranking down the weather and ferrying from one location to another. The fact of the matter is that not every flight in wartime is a fight - many times a pilot would be training, ferrying aircraft, repositioning etc. For real fun set up some bad weather and low ceilings and practice finding and landing on a carrier without bailing out to the map or speedbar to help you - I would think all the hard-core realism guys would eat that up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danjama
12-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Hell i gotta show my support here! I can sit for minutes to hours admiring the quality o the cockpits! Faves include the Spitfire cockpits, the FW190 cockpits and the Hurri pits! P-38 is nice too!

I love this game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

3.JG51_BigBear
12-15-2005, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
On Japanese planes there are two fuel gauges showing state of fuel tanks as a whole and low fuel gauge showing few gallons I think.The second gauge does not work on the Zero,because when the main tank gauge is close to E,the low fuel gauge is still on F.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The second gauge is not supposed to function until the plane is almost out of gas. When PF first came out it was working correctly. I haven't flown the Zero in a long time but the way you describe it it still seems to be doing what its supposed to.

LameDuck.
12-15-2005, 10:25 PM
Yup, good point, MB_Avro. Somebody did a great job with the pits. I especially appreciate that they didn't simply recycle the same old gage set over and over again, and the different measurement units (mph, kph...) is fantastic! There's a lot to appreciate in this category.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

tagTaken2
12-15-2005, 10:27 PM
i've turned off all the text messages (immersion killer for me) so i guess I take it for granted that fuel/temp/manifold work in blue, anyway. It does give you an appreciation for artificial horizons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Any pics or information on BoB cockpits..?

Professor_06
12-15-2005, 10:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chris455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Am I right or am I wrong </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

40% of the P-47s gauges are missing or non-functional. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
Great sim nonetheless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For a P47 guy you should get the Wings of Power P47 for FS2004. Best P47 3D and 2D cockpits in the world. No woblies either. (best FM.) shame you cant shoot the guns though. All guages work.

ColoradoBBQ
12-15-2005, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
I think on Soviet planes fuel gauge still doesn`t function. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Which one do you mean? If you mean a Mig's (don't remember which Mig), there's one that looks a lot like a fuel gauge, but isn't. The specific types had it outside the cockpit. The pilot had to lean outside etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Yak had the fuel guage on the wing. THe fuel gauge does work on the Mig-3 but will only goes down when you're around 30% fuel.

Tully__
12-15-2005, 11:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
The majority of gauges does work but some do not.
I think on Soviet planes fuel gauge still doesn`t function. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> AFAIK all soviet guages work except the wing tank guages on the Yaks, however they don't register fuel drop until you have less than 300 litres in the tank. With the La7 having over 700 litre capacity for example, this means that some of them will show full until there is less than 1/3rd fuel load left.

Seahawk89
12-16-2005, 12:00 AM
The secondary gauge on the Zero works as it should, it's ok. For the B25, they got their left and right mixed up. Example, take damage to your left engine, gauges show right. No big deal, I'm used to it and the other quirks with some planes. Someone else can be the ground crew, I'll stick with being the pilot. Just give me the plane and I'll figure out how to make it work. However I do appreciate it when they get it right.

chris455
12-16-2005, 12:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Professor_06:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chris455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Am I right or am I wrong </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

40% of the P-47s gauges are missing or non-functional. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
Great sim nonetheless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For a P47 guy you should get the Wings of Power P47 for FS2004. Best P47 3D and 2D cockpits in the world. No woblies either. (best FM.) shame you cant shoot the guns though. All guages work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would probabaly never be able to sit in my PF P-47 again! I would like to check it out, though.
Got any screenies?

Feathered_IV
12-16-2005, 02:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
On Japanese planes there are two fuel gauges showing state of fuel tanks as a whole and low fuel gauge showing few gallons I think.The second gauge does not work on the Zero,because when the main tank gauge is close to E,the low fuel gauge is still on F.


The second gauge is not supposed to function until the plane is almost out of gas. When PF first came out it was working correctly. I haven't flown the Zero in a long time but the way you describe it it still seems to be doing what its supposed to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Aw! You beat me to it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Another Gauge-lover here too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

jds1978
12-16-2005, 05:09 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifhey MB_Avro_UK, since neural dream is in this thread, you have checked out his cockpit reference guide..right?....if not do it b/c it's a lifesaver