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muHamad-ALi
10-19-2004, 02:20 PM
I dont wanna hear it. Talk to the glove. Its not my fault the plane was a pig and you all aren't aces. Face it the zero owned early war. the corsair was good but Im anticipating a bunch of babble and 'whostruckjohn' concerning this plane. It really isnt necesarry. Don't fly the porkers or get a wingman.

BANZi !!!!!

MEGILE
10-19-2004, 02:29 PM
+1

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 02:33 PM
The zero never "owned" the F4F. It did marginally better at the Battle of the Coral Sea. That was it, and I think the total losses were 6 planes. Over a more useful time frame (with a larger number of combats to actually look at) the F4F acquitted itself very well.

tater

Macca_Man
10-19-2004, 03:05 PM
you guys will forget all the whines when you see B25's taking off from carriers!!!!!

i got 4 b25s and 2 Wildcats taking off from the Lexington i think it was called and it was Fantastic!!, Wildcat is a nasty tub of **** against the later zero's, best when used as Escort imo.

VMF513_Sandman
10-19-2004, 05:02 PM
u wont win against zeke in a wildcat unless u use the thatch weave tactic with a wingman. its an historical fact that wildcat pilots that tried to turn or climb with a zero got sent home in a box.

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 05:05 PM
Or don't fight fair and attack with altitude, and really watch your E. Always keeping friends around is a very good idea as well.

tater

chris455
10-19-2004, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muHamad-ALi:
I dont wanna hear it. Talk to the glove. Its not my fault the plane was a pig and you all aren't aces. Face it the zero owned early war. the corsair was good but Im anticipating a bunch of babble and 'whostruckjohn' concerning this plane. It really isnt necesarry. Don't fly the porkers or get a wingman.

BANZi !!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif
The F4F a "pig"?
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought for a moment that you were serious.
OK, you can troll some more now-

Hades_Dragon
10-19-2004, 06:28 PM
I'm sure the F4F Pilots will hold there own. You Zeke pilots just better watch your selves when you get out in front of this "tub" as you call it, because while it lacks flight performance its got more than enough firepower to put a careless Zero pilot out of commission and give the Wildcat pilot an awful lot of bragging rights.

GT182
10-19-2004, 06:52 PM
I take it then the Zeros can't take the damage they did it AEP. Good! Maybe more of the damage FMs for other a/c are fixed too.

Cragger
10-19-2004, 11:12 PM
If the F4F was such a poor aircraft I seriously doubt it would have seen service thru the ENTIRE war. The FM-2 was a fine aircraft by all accounts. The F4F was faster than the A6M, better in a diver, Much tougher, a better gun platform and better control responce at higher speeds. Once Allied pilots learned to exploit their advantages, and minimize their weaknesses over the A6M and Ki-43 and ditched the WW1 turn and burn mentality the hyper manueverable but slow and fragile Japanese aircraft fell into oblivion.

necrobaron
10-19-2004, 11:14 PM
Now let's not feed the troll, folks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VFA-195 Snacky
10-19-2004, 11:44 PM
I'll give up a few knots of speed gladly for armor plating.lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PlimPlam
10-20-2004, 01:30 AM
Havent flown it- dont have the game- yet but its on my list of possible main rides. Corsair, hellcat, wildcat are on the tops of the list. With a few others thrown in.

But who knows mebbe Ill just stick with some sort of spit when I get the game.

WUAF_Badsight
10-20-2004, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF513_Sandman:
u wont win against zeke in a wildcat unless u use the thatch weave tactic with a wingman. its an historical fact that wildcat pilots that tried to turn or climb with a zero got sent home in a box. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WORD !

Cajun76
10-20-2004, 02:50 AM
Whatever anyones feelings on the subject, the term "jap" is frowned upon by the mods. I'm not going to say whether I agree or disagree, although you can look it up on any previous discussion on the subject. It has already been discussed at length, and your not going to change anyones mind for or against it. I just type "J" instead, saves two more keystrokes off the "short" version of Japanese. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Been reading Wing of Gold, the USN experience in WW2 told from the perspective of the USN pilots. The Wildcats at the time of Pearl Harbour had provision for armor plate, but didn't have it installed. Welding crews worked non-stop to install the plate after the attack Sometimes the welder would pass out; they'd pull him out and another would take his place.

Bewolf
10-20-2004, 03:09 AM
oops, sorry. Didn't think much of it. I used it in the same context as I do use Amis or tommies. Simply easier to type and say then the full name.

Philipscdrw
10-20-2004, 07:19 AM
What about Frogs? We can call them that right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I wanna fly the Beaufighter, B-25 and A-20. It is much easier to outmanouever tanks and ships than aircraft, and the climb performance is much better.

Stuntie
10-20-2004, 07:25 AM
I love the tubby little Wildcat and intend to fly her lots.

Wildcats did the hard work. Hellcats and Corsairs just mopped up and stole the glory http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Teamwork, teamwork and teamwork that's why the F4F got so many kills.

If you fly solo check your parchute before take off - you'll need it.

The skill of the USN pilots was that they recognised they were out matched in a one on one and did something about it. The Japanese lost heavily because they failed to adapt tactically.

Cheers
Stuntie.

Tater-SW-
10-20-2004, 08:47 AM
Cragger, USN pilots never were in the "turn and burn mentality," actually. One of the principal reasons the F4F did do so well against the Zero was Navy training. USN pilots were probably the best trained pilots in deflection shooting in the world at the time . They used their "high side" passes, to gain a high, rear, quartering aspect to the target, and shot deflection as SOP. As many of us know from Il-2 and other sims, dead six can be a tough shot in terms of rounds required to bring down the foe compared to raking the fuselage and wing root with deflection shots.

Many times they were totally unable to use this attack profile vs the better climbing Zeros that frequently held altitude advantage. In return they were forced to take snap shots on zekes after a pass, or during scissors---not a "high-side," but all the deflection training paid off as they had a much better grasp on on-the-fly deflection shooting.

Marksmanship was consistantly credited for success in their after action reports, even when the situation otherwise was pretty terrible.

Read the two First Team books. Far and away the best reference on early war naval air action.

tater

VMF223_Smitty
10-20-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
I'll give up a few knots of speed gladly for armor plating.lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to mention sealed fuel tanks. Love the smell of burning Zekes in the morning. Flying butane lighters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BuzzU
10-20-2004, 11:34 AM
Don't go by what happened in the real war. We know how to fight those balsa Zeros now. Turn your little circles, and see how far it gets you.

Tater-SW-
10-20-2004, 11:44 AM
BTW, real zeros used serial passes---BnZ, more than turning.

tater