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owlwatcher
02-23-2004, 03:17 AM
How many hits to sink?
Best Aircraft?
What is the most effective bomb? Toepedo?
How effective will the AA be?
Best method of attack?

When will Jap toepedos be made avilable?
Let's rule out Pe-8's with the 5000 .

owlwatcher
02-23-2004, 03:17 AM
How many hits to sink?
Best Aircraft?
What is the most effective bomb? Toepedo?
How effective will the AA be?
Best method of attack?

When will Jap toepedos be made avilable?
Let's rule out Pe-8's with the 5000 .

F19_Olli72
02-23-2004, 03:38 AM
Well seeing as the real Tirpitz survived many attacks by conventional bombs, if modelled somewhere near that youll need the Pe-8 for sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Eventually it took a 5.4-ton "Tallboy" bomb to cripple it out of seaworthyness 15 September 1944. And later 12 November 1944 two more Tallboys to make it capsize.

http://www.kbismarck.com/tirpitz.html

clint-ruin
02-23-2004, 04:15 AM
From the linked site:

Armament: 8 x 38cm/L47, 12 x 15cm/L55, 16 x 10.5cm/L65, 16 x 3.7cm/L83, 20 x 2cm (78 in 1944), 8 x 53.3cm torpedoes.

That is going to be absolutely the most hardcore AA defence going in FB. No idea how they're going to try and simulate seventy eight 20mm pieces firing at once. One whining thread in ORR about ship AA accuracy per gun? :>

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VW-IceFire
02-23-2004, 06:59 AM
No less than an entire airforce of aircraft is going to be able to challenge this guy.

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MandMs
02-23-2004, 07:10 AM
The 8 x 38cm/L47 and 12 x 15cm/L55 did not have the elevation to reach a/c. These were surface combat weapons.

The Tirpitz was also protected by AA units on the shore.

In all of the attacks on the Tirpitz, how many a/c were lost, total?

Time will tell if FB's AA is bs or not.



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drapis
02-23-2004, 07:59 AM
imagine this ship hit by 'A-BOMB' from Pe-8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I wonder if even THAT would be enough ...

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p1ngu666
02-23-2004, 08:45 AM
if i remmber, it was pretected by smoke too, thats why it wasnt sunk earlier
a bombider didnt want to waste a tallboy, he thought it would hit, but wasnt sure..

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Platypus_1.JaVA
02-23-2004, 10:15 AM
This is FB wich means that probably one or two well aimed torpedo's are enough.

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JG26Red
02-23-2004, 10:25 AM
i would laugh if 1 - 2 torpedos sank the tirpitz... i mean, it probably could make it not steer, but sink? lol, hey, its a german ship, this is a russian game... i bet a IL2 with its cartridge could sink it lololololol

bazzaah2
02-23-2004, 10:30 AM
The attempt to get the Tirpitz was a peculiar saga - the ship seemed to be one of Churchill's bete-noirs.

But what the campaign did do was severely limit the effectiveness of such a powerful ship.

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SwingerSpecial
02-23-2004, 10:45 AM
Tirpitz & it's twin Bismarck had quite the different fates. Whereas Bismarck "Fell with it's boots on", Tirpitz just slowly withered away at port under constant barrage from the RAF.

p1ngu666
02-23-2004, 11:02 AM
they hard a armoured belt to stop torpedoes didnt they?

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MandMs
02-23-2004, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
they hard a armoured belt to stop torpedoes didnt they?

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Only on the sides, nothing underneath and as long as American magnetic torps were not used Tirpitz was vunerable to these type of torps.

The armour was to stop shells from other ships. There was other means of protection from torps.



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BS87
02-23-2004, 04:45 PM
Skip bomb a 5000 kg'er from a Pe 8 =)

ElAurens
02-23-2004, 05:34 PM
I wonder if the 5000kg bomb will have to be set at 0 time delay....

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Korolov
02-23-2004, 05:42 PM
No, we know one .50 cal round should sink it!

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owlwatcher
02-23-2004, 07:48 PM
Looking at a air strike of
8-12 Toepedoe armed planes
8-12 Dive bombers (1000lbers)
8-12 Rocket armed ( Rockets + 100lbers)
8-12 level bombers ( Armed with both 1000&2000lbers)
Plus
8-12 figther escort

Looking at IL-2's & PE-2 to do the work.

Skip bombing with a PE-8 that will have to be tried!!!

Vladimir_No2
02-23-2004, 08:40 PM
Skip bombing into the armor belt with a high explosive device is perhaps not as damaging as you think [in reality]. The best place to hit the Tirpiz should be on it's lightly armored deck with a delayed burst bomb.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 09:04 PM
well i plan on being abel to use the P-47 .50 CALS

if they dont work im gunna throw my teddy completely outta the pram

BS87
02-23-2004, 09:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by owlwatcher:
Skip bombing with a PE-8 that will have to be tried!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh i've done it, alone with He111 skp bombing. in the 111 its easier to survive. Pe8 you have to dive very steep, and od it just right. Out of the 5 times i've done it, i survived 1 time, but i think i got lucky since i should have blown to bits.

MandMs
02-23-2004, 09:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vladimir_No2:
Skip bombing into the armor belt with a high explosive device is perhaps not as damaging as you think [in reality]. The best place to hit the Tirpiz should be on it's lightly armored deck with a delayed burst bomb.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can just see it, skip bombing a 1000kg bomb while flying down a narrow fiord.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If a 1000kg shell at high velocity has a hard time going through 320mm of armour, no low velocity bomb is.



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clover4
02-24-2004, 07:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MandMs:
In all of the attacks on the Tirpitz, how many a/c were lost, total?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The link above is very informative.Heres another
with aircraft loss figures.
Attacks on the Tirpitz (http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/miscellaneous/airattackstirpitz.html)

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