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lorentz1971
12-02-2004, 04:11 AM
Can you use a minisub for special missions,(attacking battleships in the habour)

julien673
12-02-2004, 04:47 AM
i don t think so

E.Thang
12-02-2004, 03:33 PM
I think you are thinking of the Japanese. Did the Germans even manufacture mini subs??

Redwine
12-02-2004, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by E.Thang:
I think you are thinking of the Japanese. Did the Germans even manufacture mini subs?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depending on what you consider "mini"

Yes, of course, they done, and lot of diferent models........

Look here under The Boats and Midget Subs.......

http://www.dataphone.se/~ms/ubootw/welcom.htm

some very "beautiful" and rare models.......

Yarrick_
12-02-2004, 03:59 PM
The type XXIII, is obviously mini, 3 tons, only two crewmen.
Two torpedoes loadut. 30 of them were lost due to bad weather, and it was considered unvulnerable because it was so small that depth charges pushed it through the water instead of damaging it. Although the crew got shaken...

I think that being too light was her main problem, that's why bad weather crushed it so often...

HeibgesU999
12-02-2004, 04:27 PM
XXIII?

Capt.LoneRanger
12-03-2004, 04:22 AM
Good link!

I remembered the "manned torpedo"-sub (designation "Marder"). I got a few pics of it. Scary thing to drive, but afaik it was only used in the baltic sea.

FI.Spitsfire
12-03-2004, 10:16 AM
um i dunno if an of the one that have been mentioned are it, but there was a sigle seat german sub armed with two torpedos, there is still one working in a museum somwhere
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bertgang
12-03-2004, 10:30 AM
As I know, mini subs didn't scored any relevant success.

Most of them were lost at sea by technical failures.

Yarrick_
12-03-2004, 10:46 AM
Ooops... it seems that I did a mistake, the Type XXIII is a coastal u-boot, too, but it was not the one I was speaking about... I meant a midget u-boot. The one wich fittes more or less to the description I made was the Elefant... but I don't remember where I readed it.
It is not that one, of course, because it did not came operational.

Hans_Koenig
12-03-2004, 01:02 PM
The Neger, the Marder, the Molch and the Biber were all used operationally, and in by no way small numbers.
They were one-man ships.

Their main operations were at Anzio, in Normandy and at the Scheldt estuary. They were generally employed en masse, but they obtained minimal successes for an apalling loss rate, largely due to technical problems.
Doenitz called their operators 'suicide fighters', and with reason!

The Seehund, with a crew of two, was slightly more successful.
It had a range of 300 nm at 7 knots and was armed with two torpedoes.
In 142 sorties they managed to sink nine ships for a total of 18,451 tons, and damage three others for 18,354 tons.
35 Seehunde were lost, 20 of these in accidents.
They were by far the best German mini-subs, but their impact on Allied operations was minimal.

Regards

Koenig

oscar0072004
12-05-2004, 07:08 PM
the only real u-boat i ever witnissed with my own treu eyes is a german mini sub . but it would be cool to have the u-boats cary 2 mini-subs as a mother-ship . i saw a u-boat painting of a u-boat carrieng 2 typer biber mini-subs i believe . i think it was on uboatart . but it looked very cool and mysterious , i wonder if its realistic. and if its realistic we could have this in a patch or addon and maybe even for the mission editor to make what ever mission with we can think off.

U-553
12-06-2004, 02:33 AM
Have anybody tryed to make the Molch playable in SH2? It works okay Just make a new file white in the unit folder with the text from the Type XXI Then slow change thing according to the Molch file and then it will become playable.

Philipscdrw
12-06-2004, 05:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oscar0072004:
the only real u-boat i ever witnissed with my own treu eyes is a german mini sub . but it would be cool to have the u-boats cary 2 mini-subs as a mother-ship . i saw a u-boat painting of a u-boat carrieng 2 typer biber mini-subs i believe . i think it was on uboatart . but it looked very cool and mysterious , i wonder if its realistic. and if its realistic we could have this in a patch or addon and maybe even for the mission editor to make what ever mission with we can think off. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw a Biber at the Imperial War Museum, it would be unusual and interesting to have in the sim. Surely a minisub is less complex than a normal submarine? The cockpit would hopefully only require as much work as a fighter in Il-2 Sturmovik, which is a few week's work I think, but that's just the 3d work. Things like the control systems might take more work, I'd want to have the option to steer it with my CHProducts yoke...

If it could be done easily, then a Biber minisub would be a great addition!

Hans_Koenig
12-06-2004, 03:56 PM
On 5 January 1945 U-295, U-318 and U-716 left Harstadt loaded with Bibers to attack the Russian battleship Arkangelsk in the Kola inlet.
The operation failed when the Germans discovered that the Bibers were severely damaged during transport.
Unlike the Italians, who sheltered their Maiales in containers, the Bibers were just mounted on chocks, incidentally just over the throbbing diesel engines!
The mission was aborted and no further attempts were made.

Those mini-subs were deathtraps. One can not expect to have a long and successful career using them. The most likely fate of an operator was to die because of intoxication or accidental drawning without even sighting the enemy.

The Seehunde were slightly better and reproducing them in SH3 could be an idea.
Actually a pack of Seehunde might be rather dangerous as they could overwhelm convoy defences with sheer number.
Losses among the attackers would be heavy, anyway.

Koenig

lorentz1971
12-07-2004, 01:55 AM
Hello guys,i am living in Hellevoetsluis,i have find out that in Hellevoetsluis and in rotterdam waalhaven (holland) there was a small marine base from the small sub-marines (type Mog and the Bibber)I am busy to search for the real story.more later about the mini-sub.Greeting Lorentz

Dolphusmeyer
10-21-2006, 04:26 AM
Have a look at this!! Fantastic!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=988728717041995529&q=uboat&hl=en

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Dannythemusicma
10-21-2006, 05:36 AM
Looks fantastic - it's a shame I can't understand a word they're saying!

Celeon999
10-21-2006, 07:10 AM
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FongFongFong
10-21-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by HeibgesU999:
XXIII?
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