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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2006, 01:59 AM
Looking forward to this "monster" of a fighter, 4 20mm cannon, auto combat flaps ect. Anybody else

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2006, 01:59 AM
Looking forward to this "monster" of a fighter, 4 20mm cannon, auto combat flaps ect. Anybody else

JG52Karaya-X
07-05-2006, 02:19 AM
I'm afraid that's not going to help much as the allied fighters of the same time are a lot faster and will dictate the fight onto the George - pretty much the same situation as with the Ki61/100, manoeuvrable and well armed but far too slow to compete. It's sure is a beautiful fighter however!

Anyway if I have the choice I'd rather pick a J2M3 (Corsair killer) or a Ki84.

KIMURA
07-05-2006, 03:13 AM
As for the J2M3 the SL speed matchs the SL speed of any USN fighter. Looking at Clark Field Tests and Genda's Blade the N1K2-Ja should nearly be equal to either H-Cat and Corsair @ SL in speed. Personaly hope for working sliding canopy fpr the George 21 for better vibs in combat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
07-05-2006, 03:43 AM
Those USN fighters are not that quick down low and the Hellcat ain't that quick full stop! The Corsair really moves at mid and high altitude though.

I'm looking forward to this new plane allot. Never been a fan of either the Ki84 or the Zero and the ki61 is fun but the George looks like it might be the P47 of the IJA so it gets a thumbs up from me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-05-2006, 03:43 AM
yes, i think we have to wait what Maddox will make of the Shiden-Kai.

il2compare shows good chances against the F6F .

most players were propably very surprised how good the Raiden is performing in the game !

SaQSoN
07-05-2006, 03:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Personaly hope for working sliding canopy fpr the George 21 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It works, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Speaking of N1K2, the automatic flaps are sometimes quite annoying. They are quite sensitive and can make aiming tricky - you pull the stick a little to aim better, the flaps extend due to the G-force change and the aim goes up much higher, then you wanted or expected... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-05-2006, 03:58 AM
couldnt the pilot dis-/enable them in flight ?

IF (!) , couldnt that work in game over the "speedbrake" button or that the automatic system only is working if the flaps are set at "combat".................

F19_Olli72
07-05-2006, 04:50 AM
If its historical then fine by me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif After all, you sometimes get disadvantage with the auto retracting flaps on the Wildcats too.

But im really looking forward to the Ki 27 & 43 personally. Maybe, just maybe the reflector sight will bring a few more Oscars online. Of course most people will still shun away from it because of the puny guns and later servicedate will make opponents much harder. Thankfully though, the reflector sight will mean much easier aiming with the painfully slow 12.7 mm guns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S Saqson, maybe you can tell if the Oscar's will have bombs & external fueltanks?

PikeBishop
07-05-2006, 04:58 AM
Dear All,
I must say that I too am looking forward to the Shiden Kai. I have always been suspicious of aircraft test trials, in that the results don't always seem to match the apparent reputations of the aircraft in question. With the Shiden, official pilot reports imply that it was a very formidable fighter. But, for example, in USAAF tests the max speed seems to be quite low. Looking at the weights and loadings one might expect that the performance would be somewhat better. I think that Oleg has been sensible in following up as many data leads as possible (from ALL theaters) regarding true performance. I am aware that maximum speed is not really important overall and does not really indicate in any way the total relative performance anyway. I also realise that that max speed recorded was at a particular altitude....maybe not its best altitude.
I still think that the balance is good in IL-2. I often run tests, pitting 8 against 8 or 12 against 12 on quick mission builder and look at the average numbers remaining on each side with all parameters equal. Surprisingly the ratio's often match those from recorded historical actions where pilots were also evenly matched, much more closely than I originally thought.
Best regards,
SLP

ElAurens
07-05-2006, 05:34 AM
The additions to the Japanese planeset will be very welcome. I too really am looking forward to the Ki27...

Cossack13
07-05-2006, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
But im really looking forward to the Ki 27 & 43 personally. Maybe, just maybe the reflector sight will bring a few more Oscars online. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Absolutely! I love the way the Oscar flies but that gunsight can drive you mad. Having the Ki-43II's become flyable would be a dream come true.

JG52Karaya-X
07-05-2006, 08:14 AM
Well I for one just LOVE those telescopic gunsights - you can't get more accurate than that!

Just hit SHIFT+F1 and snipe away... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

BBB_Hyperion
07-05-2006, 08:23 AM
Is there a manual mode for combat flaps ? Manual Control would allow finer control like manual gear vs automatic .

Feathered_IV
07-05-2006, 08:29 AM
+1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Seeing as though its a paid addon, I really hope the canopies (Ki27 in particular) will be able to open *fingers crossed*.

JG53Frankyboy
07-05-2006, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
Well I for one just LOVE those telescopic gunsights - you can't get more accurate than that!

Just hit SHIFT+F1 and snipe away... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the proplem for me with the telescopic sight is that it reduces the "headpositions" to only one - and thats dangerous with the given headrest of the Oscar-I , or better called "Fujiama" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and because of that i also fear the rearview of the Abdul http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-05-2006, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Is there a manual mode for combat flaps ? Manual Control would allow finer control like manual gear vs automatic . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"flaps on a slider" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i belive in game it will wokr as follows:
automatic flaps will be enabled as long you have set no flap postition. and i doubt there will be the possibility to disable the automatic.
when you set flaps, the automatic will be disabled.

tigertalon
07-05-2006, 08:57 AM
How did the system operate IRL? Was only input G-force? Coz this means if pilot pulls 5g turn 500 kph, his flaps will deploy and jam. Speed is cruical input data also.

BTW, can anyone educate me in regard of Shidens ammocount?

Jaws2002
07-05-2006, 09:16 AM
Combat flaps usually uses only few degrees deflection, and can take a much higher speed then admited in manuals.

But how will be in game is a different story.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/0c2_109_Flap_deploy_speeds.jpg

JG53Frankyboy
07-05-2006, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
How did the system operate IRL? Was only input G-force? Coz this means if pilot pulls 5g turn 500 kph, his flaps will deploy and jam. Speed is cruical input data also.

BTW, can anyone educate me in regard of Shidens ammocount? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, unfortunatly Aero Detail Vol.26 is giving two different amm acounts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

one with:
200 rpg for the inboard cannons, 100 rpg for the outboard canons

the other with:
200 rpg for the inboard cannons, 250 rpg for the outboard canons

! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

perhaps something changed from the Model 21 to the Model 21 Ko in this point.
the screenshots at RGG are showing a Typ 4 gunsight, so the it should be a Model 21 Ko.


P.S.: and in "Gendas Blade" they are talking about 200round for each canon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-05-2006, 09:47 AM
the ingame 4.05 AI N1K2-Ja ( that is a Model 21 Ko http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) has 100rpg btw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Frequent_Flyer
07-05-2006, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Personaly hope for working sliding canopy fpr the George 21 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It works, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Speaking of N1K2, the automatic flaps are sometimes quite annoying. They are quite sensitive and can make aiming tricky - you pull the stick a little to aim better, the flaps extend due to the G-force change and the aim goes up much higher, then you wanted or expected... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> SaQSon, do you have inside information as to when we may get this add-on

ElAurens
07-05-2006, 10:44 AM
The combat flaps on the Shiden Kai were actuated by a simple mercury switch. Pull enough Gs and the mercury in the vial would make the contact live and operate the flap extension motors.

One of the very first applications of "fly by wire" technology. Simple, effective, and clever.

shinden1974
07-05-2006, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PikeBishop:
Dear All,
I must say that I too am looking forward to the Shiden Kai. I have always been suspicious of aircraft test trials, in that the results don't always seem to match the apparent reputations of the aircraft in question. With the Shiden, official pilot reports imply that it was a very formidable fighter. But, for example, in USAAF tests the max speed seems to be quite low. Looking at the weights and loadings one might expect that the performance would be somewhat better. I think that Oleg has been sensible in following up as many data leads as possible (from ALL theaters) regarding true performance. I am aware that maximum speed is not really important overall and does not really indicate in any way the total relative performance anyway. I also realise that that max speed recorded was at a particular altitude....maybe not its best altitude.
I still think that the balance is good in IL-2. I often run tests, pitting 8 against 8 or 12 against 12 on quick mission builder and look at the average numbers remaining on each side with all parameters equal. Surprisingly the ratio's often match those from recorded historical actions where pilots were also evenly matched, much more closely than I originally thought.
Best regards,
SLP </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had read somewhere that the captured N1K2-J tested to 416 mph. Unfortunately I have no idea were the source for that was, I suppose from wherever the Shiden Kai was sent and tested at. It should be fast, and it should be in the franks' speed range considering it has the same engine and similar weight. Altitude speed is what really cuts into japanese fighter speed, building a working 2 stage supercharger was one of their biggest problems.

Japanese plane data is difficult to come by and often times unreliable, that's just the way it is. Most sources just pick up the Francillon book and copy.

totalspoon
07-05-2006, 06:26 PM
The cockpit on the 405 AI Shiden-Kai Opens. Just in the wrong direction. Try it. It slides forward instead of backwards and you end up looking like the flying nun...

I remember reading an interview with a Shiden-Kai pilot who stated the Shiden-Kai carried a lot more ammo for its cannons that the Zero-sen. If the late mode Zero-sen's carried 120rpg, I would think the Shiden-Kai must have had at least 200rpg.

I can't wait for the N1K2-J, J2M5 and Ki27. I'm happy to pay to support the outstanding work of Oleg and his crew, and it amazes me some people aren't (good english ha!?!). Thanks guys.

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