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CybrSlydr
03-23-2004, 06:37 AM
Just curious - did the planes we fly in FB have fuel cutoff switches? I know it'd be a great boon to be able to shut the fuel flow off to a flaming engine - give you a little extra time.

CybrSlydr
03-23-2004, 06:37 AM
Just curious - did the planes we fly in FB have fuel cutoff switches? I know it'd be a great boon to be able to shut the fuel flow off to a flaming engine - give you a little extra time.

delinker
03-23-2004, 10:13 AM
And how; the 262 would be the perfect candidate for a kill switch on the fuel pump. That and firebottles. That's the most fragile, yet blazingly fast, airplane I've "flown" to date.

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Kurfurst__
03-23-2004, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CybrSlydr:
Just curious - did the planes we fly in FB have fuel cutoff switches? I know it'd be a great boon to be able to shut the fuel flow off to a flaming engine - give you a little extra time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The majority, if not all of them had this. 109s had this switch in a form of a small red level, just right/next to the throttle.

I am not sure wheter it works automatically in Il-2, or you have to close the throttle. Seems to be the latter is the case.

delinker
03-23-2004, 12:09 PM
Unfortunately you can close the throttle and kill the engine in question and it will still flame up. Diving will sometimes dampen the flames but a period of level flight will light'em up again. My scenario generally goes like this (with regard to the 262):

1) Engine takes damage; fuel leak
2) Fuel leak leads to engine fire; kill engine, null throttle
3) Dive like hell to put out flames (provided you have enough altitude); flames out, proceed to base
4) level off for final approach; flame on; get over airstrip prepared for emergency landing and the engine goes *POP* and the remnants of my stricken plane plow a swath of earth.
5) Wash, rinse, repeat

It would be nice to be able to entirely cut the flow of fuel to that engine but I'm clueless as to how or if there is even a method modeled into the game. Barring that a way to eject the stricken engine would be nice but not historically accurate. Of course I'm basing most of my experience on the Me262 but I know the frustration of flame up in a prop plane too; there isn't enough air speed available to dampen the flames it seems and no fire bottles with which to combat the problem either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Again, probably historically accurate but a PITA for a sim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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CybrSlydr
03-23-2004, 02:11 PM
The reason I ask is it would come in VERY handy flying the Me-110 - even if it does catch on fire, I could cut off the fuel and still make it back to base instead of go as far as I dare before I blow up after cutting throttle, shutting down and feathering prop.

Dunkelgrun
03-23-2004, 02:32 PM
The Me163 had a fuel dump switch IRL, it would be handy to have this modelled as the aircraft was so dangerous to it's pilot if landing with any fuel in the tanks.
However, even empty a/c in FB explode on crash landing, so I don't suppose that it would make much difference as far as the sim is concerned.
Still, would have been nice.
Cheers!

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II_JG2_Roth
03-24-2004, 02:07 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Yes please if you could Oleg...we need a feul cut off switch or lever for each engine. That would be realistic if not cool!

Thanks,
Roth

VVS-Manuc
03-24-2004, 03:52 AM
The Complex Engine Management sadly isn't so complex as it should be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

WWSensei
03-24-2004, 05:40 AM
There is a slight exception/capability though. Those aircraft with Fuel Mixture can cut fuel off and it does stop the flames.

Was testing single procedures in the He111 for an upcoming revision of my He111 Operations Guide (shameless plug) http://www.wingwalkers.org/sensei/He111_Operations_Guide.pdf
when I had an engine catch fire from a teammate shooting it out.

I selected Engine #1, reduced mixture to 0 and feathered the prop and the flames went right out and never re-lit as I flew home.

Haven't tried other aircraft allowing mixture control but it should work for them as well.

ElfunkoI
03-24-2004, 09:01 AM
Yup, just lean out the mixture till you have no fuel going. Meaning 0%.

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p1ngu666
03-24-2004, 09:52 AM
really?:O
cant do that with p38/110 tho
and others http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Meyekul
03-24-2004, 11:22 AM
I'm not at home to try it, but in theory if you ****** the throttle and rpm lever there should be very little fuel flow to the engine(s). Even with the throttle fully closed, windmilling will cause air (and thus fuel) to be drawn into the pistons by the prop. Increase the prop pitch (****** rpm lever) or feather the prop to minimize this.

F16_Petter
03-25-2004, 03:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
The Complex Engine Management sadly isn't so complex as it should be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree.
However Fuel isnt the ONLY liquid in engine areas that are flammable, once they are fired up. Engine Oil, coolants, etc will not extinguish once the fuel valve is closed. Especially not if the engine lacks a fire extinguish system.

Just a thaught.

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[This message was edited by F16_Petter on Thu March 25 2004 at 03:55 AM.]

CybrSlydr
03-25-2004, 05:50 AM
From prior experience in game, I didn't think oil would explode - would just burn off and smoke. Often times there's just alot of black smoke.

Ironic that coolants would explode, eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif