PDA

View Full Version : boring campaigns..



Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-30-2004, 11:15 PM
I dont know about you guys but i find the PF
campaigs boring . Insane repetition of goals,most missions are alike,airfields or
carriers to far from mission target.I just hate to fly over same little island 50 times doing same things over and over again.Leak of imagination or what? I suggest changes like
switching player to a different operation theatre for a while ,flying a different aircraft,adding some spice to it.My opinion anyway!

VF51_Flatspin
11-30-2004, 11:21 PM
Yep. Hoping for more when the patch comes that's supposed to be like the '3rd CD' that didn't ship.

Barring that, I fly 99% online, much more interesting.

sapre
11-30-2004, 11:44 PM
I don't remember PF being labeled as flight shooting game...

JG27_Arklight
11-30-2004, 11:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
I don't remember PF being labeled as flight shooting game... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sapre, you posted in the wrong thread.

You meant to post in the "Post comments here that have nothing to do with the thread topic" thread.

cueceleches
12-01-2004, 02:31 AM
IMHO, campaigns appear rather accurate. PTO was not like ETO, where you could encounter the enemy rather soon without flying long distances. In the PTO, forces were spread over huge distances, making aircraft range a major concern. On the other side, what kind of missions would you expect? I find the variety satisfying, flying different kind of missions in one campaign. I.E, F6F RN campaign at Iwo Jima, 12th mission. I´ve been assigned escort missions, ground attack missions, sweep missions and scramble missions. What else should I ask for?

SeaFireLIV
12-01-2004, 03:36 AM
Amazing how you Pacific `fans` keep whining about the long distances and how it`s `boring` (even though you have acceleration to help you out). It shows just how little attention most of you paid to what the REAL pilots went through in real life.

Get a history book on the war in the Pacific-READ IT.

Tobus75
12-01-2004, 04:54 AM
To spice up your campaigns, download lowengrin's DCG and replace the campaigngenerator DGen supplied with the game.

VF51_Flatspin
12-01-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Amazing how you Pacific `fans` keep whining about the long distances and how it`s `boring` (even though you have acceleration to help you out). It shows just how little attention most of you paid to what the REAL pilots went through in real life.

Get a history book on the war in the Pacific-READ IT. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't speak for anybody but myself here, but I for one am not bothered by long distances and such. What I was talking specifically about is A20 career where 2 airbases are being attacked over and over again. There are prob 20 all over that map and we kept going to the same 2 places and levelling them. It's just silly...and so's your tone, sir.

Capt._Tenneal
12-01-2004, 09:19 AM
The real WW II Pacific pilots probably wished they could go to different locations at the drop of a hat and switch planes every so often also. Unfortunately, in RL that didn't happen . And yes, they had to fly those long distances in REAL TIME without benefit of time compression. We're just finding out how monotonous those guys lives were like (except for the adrenalin rush when they were in combat).

As for DCG, it's not for everybody. Make your own judgement on that one. IMO, it has stale missions also. Add to that you need to be a tech wiz to install and get it running. I usually stick with the campaign in the game, since it's already integrated into PF.

Jaws2002
12-01-2004, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gr7_Bizu-RO:
I dont know about you guys but i find the PF
campaigs boring . Insane repetition of goals,most missions are alike,airfields or
carriers to far from mission target.I just hate to fly over same little island 50 times doing same things over and over again.Leak of imagination or what? I suggest changes like
switching player to a different operation theatre for a while ,flying a different aircraft,adding some spice to it.My opinion anyway! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can make changes in the Dgen and make the missions more fun.
Easier is to get IL-2 MANAGER from C6. You have more easy to use tools to change the missions.

SeaFireLIV
12-01-2004, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF51_Flatspin:
It's just silly...and so's your tone, sir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps I got a little too rude in my response and apologise. But I still think the Campaigns are pretty exciting, obviously with some repetition. But if you set the win parameters in DGEN (as in readme), you can make each tank, vehicle, ship and aircraft count towards winning the war, meaning everything you do, though repetitive has an effect on the overall war to whether you win or lose, not just increase or shorten it.

And war was often repetitive. It`s the way it was. By the way I`m on that A20 carrer as well, attacking 2 bases regularly. Have just finished wiping out one bases AAA...

aonyn
12-01-2004, 10:09 AM
Speaking of realistic.
I am currently flying the coral sea campaign in the dauntlass, and my here are my First four missions.
1. Recon - Take off, fly for 45 minutes. Find enemy fleet. Return without engaging
2. Take off, fly in formation for an hour in search of carrier to sink, find nothing, return to fleet (another 45 minutes), drop ordnance in water, land on carrier.
3. Attempt 2, same as first attempt, except we got jumped by zeros and without escort, lost one.
4. Fly out to location of downed pilot to locate him for SAR attempt.

BTW, I am flying as a wingman, so the ai is doing the navigating. I am just following the flight lead. Perhaps I should start over with a high rank so I can navigate and perhaps drop some bombs on something other than open ocean.

Also, I already flew and finished the Iwo Jima USMC Campaign in the corsair, and that one was great fun, with action in every mission.

My point, If you find your current campaign boring, try a different one. They all have a different flavor.

regards,
Dave

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
I don't remember PF being labeled as flight shooting game... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sapre, you posted in the wrong thread.

You meant to post in the "Post comments here that have nothing to do with the thread topic" thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has everything to do with the thread

Gato__Loco
12-01-2004, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tobus75:
To spice up your campaigns, download lowengrin's DCG and replace the campaigngenerator DGen supplied with the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paul Lowegrin's DCG does an amazing job making more interesting campaign missions. Running in "Replace DGEN" mode is easy to use, and it allows much more control of the campaing than tweaking the few DGEN parameters in the conf.ini file. The campaign is actually dynamic, in the sense that the program keeps track of all units, air and land. If you destroy tanks in some town, you slow down and even reverse the advance of the front in that area. If you fail to destroy bombers and they wipe out your land units, the enemy lines advance, etc.etc. You actually feel that what you do in each mission matters. DGEN in PF is a bit better in that sense compared with the FB version, but it is still way behind.

About the realism of boring missions in the Pacific theather, I think it is just a matter of personal choice. Maybe in RL many of the missions were boring, the food was bad, pilots got disentery, wounds really hurt and when they got killed they really died. Those are aspects of the war I am not interested in recreating in my life. When I sit in my confortable chair to play PF and pretend I'm a WWII pilot, I do it as a form of entretainment. Part of the fun for me is to fly somewhat realistic planes in somewhat realistic missions, and that is why FB-PF is the best. But I rather avoid boring missions as I rather avoid getting disentery.
Just my thoughts...

Gat_Loco

JG27_Arklight
12-01-2004, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
I don't remember PF being labeled as flight shooting game... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sapre, you posted in the wrong thread.

You meant to post in the "Post comments here that have nothing to do with the thread topic" thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has everything to do with the thread <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wrong.


Where in the original post does it say he wants a "flight shooter"?

Nowhere.


Where in the original post does the guy say he wants the game to be easier, with regards to shooting down other aircraft?

Nowhere.

The original post is about boredom. Assuming he wants this to be a "flight shooter" is stupid.

Just because somebody hates having to spend MOST of the time flying to a target doesn't mean he wants a "flight shooter".

Just because somebody wants some variation in mission goals/etc.. doesn't mean he wants a "flight shooter".

Inversely, this is a "flight shooting" game. You have aircraft. You have weapons. You are tasked with destroying the other side/team.

Sorry.

Try again.

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 03:37 PM
having a bad day, Arklight?

That post has everything to do with the thread, but you refuse to consider the point

The point is precisely that it is not a "shooter". There is no 'instant action' element. You don't agree with him? Fine. Tell him you disagree and then say why. Bullying people doesn't make you right.

Try to consider more points of view than just your own narrow perspective before you trot out the "you're wrong" tripe, will you? It makes you look like a fool.

TacticalYak3
12-01-2004, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gato__Loco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tobus75:
To spice up your campaigns, download lowengrin's DCG and replace the campaigngenerator DGen supplied with the game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paul Lowegrin's DCG does an amazing job making more interesting campaign missions. Running in "Replace DGEN" mode is easy to use, and it allows much more control of the campaing than tweaking the few DGEN parameters in the conf.ini file. The campaign is actually dynamic, in the sense that the program keeps track of all units, air and land. If you destroy tanks in some town, you slow down and even reverse the advance of the front in that area. If you fail to destroy bombers and they wipe out your land units, the enemy lines advance, etc.etc. You actually feel that what you do in each mission matters. DGEN in PF is a bit better in that sense compared with the FB version, but it is still way behind.

About the realism of boring missions in the Pacific theather, I think it is just a matter of personal choice. Maybe in RL many of the missions were boring, the food was bad, pilots got disentery, wounds really hurt and when they got killed they really died. Those are aspects of the war I am not interested in recreating in my life. When I sit in my confortable chair to play PF and pretend I'm a WWII pilot, I do it as a form of entretainment. Part of the fun for me is to fly somewhat realistic planes in somewhat realistic missions, and that is why FB-PF is the best. But I rather avoid boring missions as I rather avoid getting disentery.
Just my thoughts...

Gat_Loco <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Enjoy and share your thoughts on the matter mate. Will have to try out the third-party generator if there is to be no changes to DGEN. I hope that's not the case however. Is it hard to figure out?

VW-IceFire
12-01-2004, 04:23 PM
Try the Okinawa campaign...I'm finding that one quite a bit of fun. Other campaigns not so much.

Air_Hog
12-01-2004, 05:22 PM
I fly offLine 100% (I had a number of bad experiences with my online "buddies"). Actually a fair large number of people fly offline only, I think 67%.

Anyway, not making online campaigns interisting is a bad economic mistake. You won't see many comments here from offline folks, they will just stop buying PF or bad mouth it to friends.

I know the long distances in PF are real BUT the game has to be fun to play. I do get a warm fuzzy feeling when I see the old flat top far in the distance when returning from a mission.

How about that Wake island campaign. Third mission or so; 2 US planes vs a jillion Japs.

Needs some fix'en here.

A.H

Weather_Man
12-01-2004, 05:40 PM
I've had up to 10 campaigns going at the same time. You can switch sides, switch planes, switch theaters whenever you want to.

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 05:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
I've had up to 10 campaigns going at the same time. You can switch sides, switch planes, switch theaters whenever you want to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, don't blame me. That's what you get for exploring the possibilities in the game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WTE_Dukayn
12-01-2004, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've had up to 10 campaigns going at the same time. You can switch sides, switch planes, switch theaters whenever you want to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup, that's what I do. Wanna fly a Zero today? Load up the IJN campaign. Hellcat? No worries, fire up that one.

Gato__Loco
12-01-2004, 06:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
Enjoy and share your thoughts on the matter mate. Will have to try out the third-party generator if there is to be no changes to DGEN. I hope that's not the case however. Is it hard to figure out? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey TacticalYak,
Actually DCG is not to hard to figure it out. Just install it and set it to Auto-Generation and Replace DGEN modes. Then run PF-FB and start a campaign the same way you do it normally. Then you can use the DGC menus to modify the campaign if you want: create units, change AI difficulty, change air and ground unit density, create tank or transport colums, select a type of missions, etc.etc.
When you use DGC in DGEN Replacement mode it renames the original DGEN as DGEN-bak. So if you want to go back to DGEN you can. No problem there.
You can get DGC here:
http://www.lowengrin.com/news.php

The only (temporary) problem is that not all PF campaings are available yet. Paul recently released DGC for Pacific Fighters and he is still working on them. All FB campaigns work like a charm.

Good luck!

LEXX_Luthor
12-01-2004, 07:50 PM
Well, it is possible to make realistic missions that are short and intense even if not hysterically correct for Pacific long ranges.

With the new Static Test Runways [under STATIONARY SHIPS - treat as carrier] we can create a Rabaul stand-in on the island on the right side of the New Guinea map--much like serious (even severe) hard core Full Real simmers used Soviet Yak~1 as Brit Spit~1 before teh AEP. The Desperate will always find a way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG27_Arklight
12-01-2004, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
having a bad day, Arklight?

That post has everything to do with the thread, _but you refuse to consider the point_

The point is _precisely_ that it is not a "shooter". There _is_ no 'instant action' element. You don't agree with him? Fine. Tell him you disagree and then say why. Bullying people doesn't make you right.

Try to consider more points of view than just your own narrow perspective before you trot out the "you're wrong" tripe, will you? It makes you look like a fool. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm having a bad month. LOL

About 6 term papers and 4 finals. ARGH!

Don't listen to me, Chuck, I'm just venting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As far as your comments above go, explain to me how I look like a fool.

How exactly do his comments relate to desiring a "flight shooting" game?

I guess it is a matter of interpretation but I didn't get that from the original posters post.

Long flights can be boring. Doesn't mean I want a "flight shooting" game.

Similar missions, over and over again? Yep! Boring! Want a "flight shooting" game? Nope!

No "instant action element"? Online is an instant action element. The Quick Mission Builder provides an "instant action element".

Essentially, what the original poster is saying is that this games campaign/s can be quite boring. Long flights, similar objectives, etc..I agree. Doesn't mean I want a "flight shooting" game.

Wasn't the DCG developed because the original campaigns can be quite boring and players desired more then scripted missions over and over again? There's a reason F4 is still extremely popular. Maybe you like the current campaigns, if you do, good for you. I am not too fond of them. If it wasn't for the online play this game would last about 1 week on my HD.

I think assuming the negative from his post would make you look like a fool.

Listen, we can go on and on about this till the cows come home but it isn't going to change my opinion or yours. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Slammin_
12-01-2004, 09:13 PM
Don't you have a term paper or something to study for?

Blackdog5555
12-01-2004, 09:20 PM
I agree with Arklight. Chucky just likes to argue. ignore him. "Most" campaigns are very boring. The time skip only goes to @8x. it should go to 32x. Most people have who have this game have a life too. FE: In the RL New Guinea some pilots would fly around for a month before seeing a Zero. So to be real we must get up at 5:00am eat some raw bacon and hard tack, take some quinine for our malaria. Change sparkplugs in our car to symbolically repair our F4U plane. have a 45min. briefing. wait 45 min on the tarmac to take off and then, abort due to bad fuel or a blow out or bad manifold pressure due to leaking aircooling. Then go to our RL jobs at noon. etc etc....I think the point is that there needs to be better balance between gameplay the realities of someones desire to imitate history. Most the Campaigns aren't air campaingns. Pearl Harbor is Not a campaign. Tarawa was not a campaign. Iwo wasnt a campaign. i can go on but it is clear that the product was released without a legitimate offline campaign system. I can go on but im bored. (BTW where are the Corsairs for Henderson?)All very poorly done.

JG27_Arklight
12-01-2004, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
Don't you have a term paper or something to study for? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes. Like that's going to stop me. lol

:P


How ya been Slammin? I haven't been on your server in a LONG time.

DarkCanuck420
12-01-2004, 10:41 PM
Im not one to judge too much on this specific game as im still a newb. however when evermaking a game, a sim or not, you have to consider realism and funfactor together. complete realism would be boring as hell you would spend hundreds of hours not even seeing enemies. likewise this is not an arcade, shoot'em up knock 'em down game either. at time is do find it a little tedious and sometimes boring, but that goes with the territory of the theatre. all i do is turn on auto pilot, turn on the map, jack up the speed, take off the ear phones, and turn on some music.

an idea to add some extra action may be to have allied subs or other units call out enemies at differnt cords. but the communication was not the greatest at the time, so its not too sim like.

sapre
12-01-2004, 11:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
I don't remember PF being labeled as flight shooting game... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sapre, you posted in the wrong thread.

You meant to post in the "Post comments here that have nothing to do with the thread topic" thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has everything to do with the thread <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wrong.


Where in the original post does it say he wants a "flight shooter"?

Nowhere.


Where in the original post does the guy say he wants the game to be easier, with regards to shooting down other aircraft?

Nowhere.

The original post is about boredom. Assuming he wants this to be a "flight shooter" is stupid.

Just because somebody hates having to spend MOST of the time flying to a target doesn't mean he wants a "flight shooter".

Just because somebody wants some variation in mission goals/etc.. doesn't mean he wants a "flight shooter".

Inversely, this is a "flight shooting" game. You have aircraft. You have weapons. You are tasked with destroying the other side/team.

Sorry.

Try again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gr7_Bizu-RO states that he doesn't like "flying same kind of mission over and over and flying for a long time".
Which I assume what he wants is not a reallistic campaign, but a AirQuake or AirRambo.
So, I wrote "this is not a flight shooting".
If Gr7_Bizu-RO sais I'm wrong, I'll apologize to him, but this is not much of your business isn't it?
And it would be great if you could stop "playing with the words".
You must have know what I mean by "flight shooting".

FI.Snaphoo
12-02-2004, 12:03 AM
I haven't found the offline campaigns boring at all. Quite the contrary actually, they've been a good bit of fun. The Iwo Jima USMC campaign ('45 I think?) has been great so far. Flight times, without compression, have been tolerable. Perhaps it's my current lack of sim flight skill, but I've found everything in the new game to be a good bit of fun. I haven't switched sides yet, or tried to go back to any of the Eastern Front games, because I'm having a lot of fun...

Chuck_Older
12-02-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
I agree with Arklight. Chucky just likes to argue. ignore him. . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If you got something to say, be a man and say it. That was between me and Arklight, and now that's over.

If you want to step up to the plate, be my guest

VF51_Flatspin
12-02-2004, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And war was often repetitive. It`s the way it was. By the way I`m on that A20 career as well, attacking 2 bases regularly. Have just finished wiping out one bases AAA... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, let me tell you, it was precisely that repetition that made me a monster in the A-20 - baiting my flight and popping AAA when they weren't looking at me - dropping bombs on the head of a nail.

You have a point too.

Hawggy
12-02-2004, 05:24 PM
Man, flying the NGEN campaigns online with friends is ANYTHING but boring. I think you're not having a good experience 'cause you're alone. Find some cool friends you can co-op your campaigns with. Shux man, you can even get someone to fly opposing force against you in a campaign environment. Talk about the opposite of boring. I've been flite simming for 20+ years, and I've NEVER seen a game do that. The heart-&-soul of the campaign is really with other players, IMHO.

Blackdog5555
12-03-2004, 01:44 AM
Chucky..screw u! Hee Hee, you just like to stir it up with your insipid comments. I did step up to the plate and stated that u were wrong. Just that simple. this is all just Mickey Mouse chatter about how bad the offline play is. It is. I do Agree with Hawggy that the best play is online with friends. Cheers

Chuck_Older
12-03-2004, 10:36 AM
You stated that I was wrong. Whooppee. I hearby state that my bank account has a billion tax-free dollars in it.

Does that prove I'm rich? Not bloody likely.

Nice cutting comeback, by the way. "Screw u" is the height of witticism, you should take your act on the road. It only took you a whole day to dream that one up. Who's your joke writer?

So what was your username when I knew you here? You know, before you got banned and made up a new account?

Chuck_Older
12-03-2004, 12:43 PM
Oh, and by the way, another thing to consider as you dream up your next verbal backhand:

Who is the one making comments off topic here? Who is the one making personal comments about other members here? Who is the one stirring up trouble?

Blackdog5555 is. Nice job, trolldog

SeaFireLIV
12-03-2004, 01:41 PM
Ignore `em, Chuck_Older. It`s not worth it.