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Mitlov47
06-18-2004, 07:21 PM
Hi,

When you equip the BF-110 with twin mk108s and a Bk3.7 gunpod, both weapons are tied to "weapon 2." Nothing is tied to "weapon 1." As a consequence, you can't fire the mk108s separately from the Bk3.7. Could you fix this in the next patch? It's a small change that would make BF-110 pilots very happy.

Thank you!

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Mitlov47
06-18-2004, 07:21 PM
Hi,

When you equip the BF-110 with twin mk108s and a Bk3.7 gunpod, both weapons are tied to "weapon 2." Nothing is tied to "weapon 1." As a consequence, you can't fire the mk108s separately from the Bk3.7. Could you fix this in the next patch? It's a small change that would make BF-110 pilots very happy.

Thank you!

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1087594628_110sigj3.jpg

Agamemnon22
06-18-2004, 07:49 PM
OT: Just curious about your sig, that 110 has a star of David on the fins, is that based on anything in RL, or is it a pure fantasy skin?

Gibbage1
06-19-2004, 12:07 AM
There is a key you can bind. "Toggle Gunpod". You can turn off the Bk37

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
Hi,

When you equip the BF-110 with twin mk108s and a Bk3.7 gunpod, both weapons are tied to "weapon 2." Nothing is tied to "weapon 1." As a consequence, you can't fire the mk108s separately from the Bk3.7. Could you fix this in the next patch? It's a small change that would make BF-110 pilots very happy.

Thank you!

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Mitlov47
06-19-2004, 12:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
There is a key you can bind. "Toggle Gunpod". You can turn off the Bk37
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Good thought, I hadn't thought of doing that. That would at least let me fire the 108s without firing the BK. Though it won't help vice versa.

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Mitlov47
06-19-2004, 12:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Agamemnon22:
OT: Just curious about your sig, that 110 has a star of David on the fins, is that based on anything in RL, or is it a pure fantasy skin?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The short answer is--complete and utter fantasy skin. Check your Private Topics for a longer answer (click on the "my space" tab at the top of the screen).

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ImpStarDuece
06-19-2004, 09:36 AM
Strangely enough the first fighters in the Israeli Air Force were Spanish built 109s.

Talk about your strange and ironic twists of history.

Can't remember the full story but i know that the Israeli pilots hated them, not for their origins but their handeling. They took every problem of the 109: swing on landing and take off, lack of trim, cramped cockpit and troublesome engine repair and made it worse. they were given the nickname 'Mezeke' which roughly translates as mule. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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drapis
06-19-2004, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Strangely enough the first fighters in the Israeli Air Force were Spanish built 109s.

Talk about your strange and ironic twists of history.

Can't remember the full story but i know that the Israeli pilots hated them, not for their origins but their handeling. They took every problem of the 109: swing on landing and take off, lack of trim, cramped cockpit and troublesome engine repair and made it worse. they were given the nickname 'Mezeke' which roughly translates as mule. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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actually they were Czech built 109s G-14, designated Avia S-199,with DB engine replaced by Junkers Jumo 211F. It wasn't very good plane, though it was better than nothing for the Israelis - first real fighter in IAF, and it made very important contribution to their war effort by stopping the bombing of Tel Aviv and also by stopping the Egyptian ground attack force mere 20 kilometers from Tel Aviv.

IAF was later reinforced by 50 Spitfires LF Mk.IXE also from Czechoslovakia, which created really interesting situation on the front. Israelis, many of them being RAF and USAF veterans, were flying ex-Bf-109s against Egyptian Spitfires (some of them quickly adapted the terminology of original users of 109s and used the phrase "Achtung, Spitfire!" to warn their ... very interesting times...

futher info: http://hsfeatures.com/avias199_1.htm

The Czechs also trained about 200 pilots and ground crews for IAF, and supplemented their army with several thousands of rifles and machine guns (famous BREN, originally also Czechoslovakian product)

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Mitlov47
06-21-2004, 12:33 AM
The IAF joke about Avias is that every time they took off, the ghost of Hitler tried to finish the job. That Junkers Jumo engine really messed up the handling.

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Schmouddle-WT
06-21-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
The IAF joke about Avias is that every time they took off, the ghost of Hitler tried to finish the job. That Junkers Jumo engine really messed up the handling.

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Czech nickname was Mezek - the Mule - because its awful take-off and landing characteristics it was in service until 1955.

There are few sites about it mostly in Czech, however.



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Mitlov47
06-21-2004, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drapis:
futher info: http://hsfeatures.com/avias199_1.htm

The Czechs also trained about 200 pilots and ground crews for IAF, and supplemented their army with several thousands of rifles and machine guns (famous BREN, originally also Czechoslovakian product)
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Yeah, the Czechs were the only country willing to sell arms to Israel in 1948. But just as clarification, that is SELL and not GIVE. The Czechs were selling to the Arab nations too, as opposed to aiding one particular side. Not that there's anything wrong with a country playing arms dealer, but I just wanted to clarify your post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Schmouddle-WT
06-22-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drapis:
futher info: http://hsfeatures.com/avias199_1.htm

The Czechs also trained about 200 pilots and ground crews for IAF, and supplemented their army with several thousands of rifles and machine guns (famous BREN, originally also Czechoslovakian product)
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Yeah, the Czechs were the only country willing to sell arms to Israel in 1948. But just as clarification, that is SELL and not GIVE. The Czechs were selling to the Arab nations too, as opposed to aiding one particular side. Not that there's anything wrong with a country playing arms dealer, but I just wanted to clarify your post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Originally I posted a bigger reply, but it got lost in the wires.

Actually youre not 100% correct

Czechoslovakian goverment was at that time under influence of Soviet Union and the deal has been made with soviet approval. Soviet hoped the new-born Israeli state would be left-oriented thus easy to be infiltrated and taken under control.
Czechoslovakia was short of foreign currency that time and the Jewish dollars did not smell to it. (Compare it with the Czechoslovakian anti-jewish propagnada later in fifties)

After Arabian attack was repeled the chances to turn Israel into socialistic state turned to be miserable, Soviets turned their attention to Arabian goverments.The soviet sattelites followed the path and started to support Arabian countries.

So Czechoslovakia was supporting both sides of the conflict, but never at the same time.



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IL2-chuter
06-22-2004, 10:57 AM
Wasn't there a UN weapons embargo in place against Isreal at the time, so aircraft (and everything else) were being smuggled in?

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The low rpm of the Jumo propshaft coupled with that rediculously cut-down prop . . . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif . . . must have been not only scary, but rather less than efficient. Whatchya gonna do when your Daimler Benz supply burns down ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Mitlov47
06-22-2004, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
Wasn't there a UN weapons embargo in place against Isreal at the time, so aircraft (and everything else) were being smuggled in?

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I didn't think there was an official embargo in 1948--the country had existed for less than 24 hours when it was invaded. But I think political pressure from certain oil-rich countries in the region kept most nations from sending any assistance to Israel. Yes, most arms had to be smuggled in.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The low rpm of the Jumo propshaft coupled with that rediculously cut-down prop . . . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif . . . must have been not only scary, but rather less than efficient. Whatchya gonna do when your Daimler Benz supply burns down ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Fly Spitfires http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Schmouddle-WT
06-22-2004, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I didn't think there was an official embargo in 1948--the country had existed for less than 24 hours when it was invaded. But I think political pressure from certain oil-rich countries in the region kept most nations from sending any assistance to Israel. Yes, most arms had to be smuggled in.
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There was a embargo on weapons and military material for British Palestina s it was called that time.
Some volunteers form USA bought C-47,C-46 and DC-4(C-54) and made an aerial lift smuggling weapons to Palestina.

I do not remember how the Avias got there,somebody knos?



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tfu_iain1
06-24-2004, 05:50 AM
damn, that thing is ugly... that engine is just too small, and boxy. its like a weird cross between a 109c and a 109g-14