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ProletariatPleb
09-23-2011, 01:25 PM
Hey so, we've heard about a second weapon wheel being present in AC:R and according to this interview(starting at 2:00)
The interview(start at 2:00 pls) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GVwX_I21rc)

Alex says, that the first weapon wheel is for primary weapons like sword, hidden/poison blade, axe, etc

The second wheel is for secondary weapons is for money we throw, hidden gun, bombs.

I remember seeing a screenshot that shows Ezio killing one guy with a sword and the hidden blade is out in the other hand

Screenshot:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301168_2364548915876_1314973975_2766214_4546101_n. jpg

My question is, can we ACTUALLY use the sword and hidden blade together because from what info I have right now, second weapon wheel is a projectile wheel?

ProletariatPleb
09-23-2011, 01:25 PM
Hey so, we've heard about a second weapon wheel being present in AC:R and according to this interview(starting at 2:00)
The interview(start at 2:00 pls) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GVwX_I21rc)

Alex says, that the first weapon wheel is for primary weapons like sword, hidden/poison blade, axe, etc

The second wheel is for secondary weapons is for money we throw, hidden gun, bombs.

I remember seeing a screenshot that shows Ezio killing one guy with a sword and the hidden blade is out in the other hand

Screenshot:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301168_2364548915876_1314973975_2766214_4546101_n. jpg

My question is, can we ACTUALLY use the sword and hidden blade together because from what info I have right now, second weapon wheel is a projectile wheel?

reini03
09-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Probably not. Both the hidden blade and the sword are on the first wheel. Would be awesome though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Dieinthedark
09-23-2011, 04:33 PM
Makes you wonder though. How could they for that screenshot? Maybe just flick the HB for a counter, like you don't do it the game does it automatically to give you some new animations? idk.....

Krayus Korianis
09-23-2011, 04:39 PM
They could do it like RDR does when selecting weapons. Sword, Sword w/HG, Sword w/HB... Like that.

Dieinthedark
09-23-2011, 04:44 PM
RDR? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

LightRey
09-23-2011, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dieinthedark:
RDR? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Red Ded Redemption.

Dieinthedark
09-23-2011, 05:03 PM
Sadly, I haven't played it so I'm not sure...

rileypoole1234
09-23-2011, 07:12 PM
Why do I never remember RDR having dual wielding on anything? But anyway, yes, by that screeenshot it would appear that we can now have the hidden blade out with another weapon. I think it's great if it's true because I can't think of a reason somebody wouldn't use both while fighting.

Krayus Korianis
09-23-2011, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Why do I never remember RDR having dual wielding on anything? But anyway, yes, by that screeenshot it would appear that we can now have the hidden blade out with another weapon. I think it's great if it's true because I can't think of a reason somebody wouldn't use both while fighting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because you don't dual wield in RDR. But what I mean is that if you select your weapon in RDR you can use the arrow buttons on the D-Pad to select which weapon you want. Thus they can make it so it's "Sword, Sword w/Hidden Gun, Sword w/Hidden Blade" like stuff. Wouldn't be that hard.

rileypoole1234
09-23-2011, 07:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krayus_Korianis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Why do I never remember RDR having dual wielding on anything? But anyway, yes, by that screeenshot it would appear that we can now have the hidden blade out with another weapon. I think it's great if it's true because I can't think of a reason somebody wouldn't use both while fighting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because you don't dual wield in RDR. But what I mean is that if you select your weapon in RDR you can use the arrow buttons on the D-Pad to select which weapon you want. Thus they can make it so it's "Sword, Sword w/Hidden Gun, Sword w/Hidden Blade" like stuff. Wouldn't be that hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh right, misunderstood there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. I think it would also work if when you pull up the weapon wheel, you use the left stick to pick your main weapon (sword, knife, axe etc.) and the right stick to pick the secondary weapon (hidden blade, bomb, throwing knife etc.).

Krayus Korianis
09-23-2011, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krayus_Korianis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
Why do I never remember RDR having dual wielding on anything? But anyway, yes, by that screeenshot it would appear that we can now have the hidden blade out with another weapon. I think it's great if it's true because I can't think of a reason somebody wouldn't use both while fighting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because you don't dual wield in RDR. But what I mean is that if you select your weapon in RDR you can use the arrow buttons on the D-Pad to select which weapon you want. Thus they can make it so it's "Sword, Sword w/Hidden Gun, Sword w/Hidden Blade" like stuff. Wouldn't be that hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh right, misunderstood there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. I think it would also work if when you pull up the weapon wheel, you use the left stick to pick your main weapon (sword, knife, axe etc.) and the right stick to pick the secondary weapon (hidden blade, bomb, throwing knife etc.). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Would be cool for that. Then one could mix and match &gt;.&gt;

Calvarok
09-23-2011, 08:38 PM
The way it works from what we've seen is that you toggle between which wheel you're using with the triggers, and then control with the right stick.

Krayus Korianis
09-23-2011, 11:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
The way it works from what we've seen is that you toggle between which wheel you're using with the triggers, and then control with the right stick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't seen ANY weapon wheel.

ProletariatPleb
09-24-2011, 12:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krayus_Korianis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
The way it works from what we've seen is that you toggle between which wheel you're using with the triggers, and then control with the right stick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't seen ANY weapon wheel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Check OP, the video....he talks about it, but camera moves to him...can't see any wheels...why would he lie &gt;_&gt;

Blind2Society
09-24-2011, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dieinthedark:
Sadly, I haven't played it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You really should.

eagleforlife1
09-24-2011, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dieinthedark:
Sadly, I haven't played it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You really should. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

^ This.

Vice8641
09-24-2011, 04:04 AM
There is a kill in Brotherhood in which Ezio uses the hidden blade with his sword out. It's the double gun kill where he pierces one guard's throat, pulls him towards the line of fire of a second guard and shoots. His sword just stays in his hand during this.
So this may be another type of double kills? Who knows, it looks awesome. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

reini03
09-24-2011, 04:20 AM
For those who haven't seen it yet, the new weapon wheel is shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESbSftHg0Yw
It's at 9:39. It seems that we might be able to use a primary weapon (hidden blade, sword, ect.) together with a secondary one (hidden gun, throwing knives, bombs), but probably not two primary weapons at once. At least that's what I think...

ProletariatPleb
09-24-2011, 04:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vice8641:
There is a kill in Brotherhood in which Ezio uses the hidden blade with his sword out. It's the double gun kill where he pierces one guard's throat, pulls him towards the line of fire of a second guard and shoots. His sword just stays in his hand during this.
So this may be another type of double kills? Who knows, it looks awesome. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
YEah I thought so too, but...in Brotherhood, you gotta first kill ONE guy, then move on to the next one as well, here, his sword is in a guy and his blade is out...oh and the video of the above poster, it has some slots empty, let's take one of another type of bomb, one for hookblade, and there is one more slot...what could it be for? Crossbow? something more?(I wanna use HB sooo badly with sword :P)

naran6142
09-24-2011, 11:00 AM
the weapon selection is confusing me

there is still quick inventory buttons to put weapons on. but ranged weapons are now controlled with the triangle button

so do bombs have their own selection wheel?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

ProletariatPleb
09-24-2011, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
the weapon selection is confusing me

there is still quick inventory buttons to put weapons on. but ranged weapons are now controlled with the triangle button

so do bombs have their own selection wheel?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
the second weapon wheel has 3 icons for all 3 types on bombs...

Randy 355
09-24-2011, 11:51 AM
Reminds me of the following art:
http://punchdrunkgamer.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/257/files/assassins-creed-revelations-gamescom/assassins-creed-revelations-gamescom-1.jpg
Short blade in his left hand, hookblade on right wrist. Bet that makes for a sweet counter. But, this is promotional art, and it can be deceptive.

Saqaliba
09-24-2011, 08:12 PM
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3052/weaponwheel.jpg

Blind2Society
09-24-2011, 08:15 PM
Cherry Bomb?

twenty_glyphs
09-24-2011, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
Cherry Bomb? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's the bomb used to distract the guards in the Gamescom/PAX demos. It just makes a loud noise like a cherry bomb and causes guards to come over and investigate, apparently.

Blind2Society
09-24-2011, 08:38 PM
I'm sorry I wasn't really clear. I understand what it is but they seriously call it a cherry bomb? For some reason if I said cherry bomb to Ezio I doubt he would know what hell I'm talking about. To me "cherry bomb" = immersion fail.

Jexx21
09-24-2011, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3052/weaponwheel.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/4/4e/New_weapon_wheel.png

ACB: Poison blade, Hidden blades, gun, crossbow, sword, dagger, knives, fists, money, smoke bombs, medicine.

ACR: Poison blade, hidden blade, unknown 1, sword, unknown 2, fists, unknown 3, unknown 4
gun, money, unknown 5, combat bomb, diversion bomb, trap bomb (I forget the real names of the bombs), unknown 6, unknown 7.

Crossbow, dagger, and knives are obviously 3 of the unknowns. Smoke bombs may of have been replaced by one of the 3 kinds of bombs, it may not of.

It looks like the Hookblade may be Unknown 1, filling the old spot of the Hidden gun. Dagger is either Unknown 2 or Unknown 5. Medicine is either not taking a weapon slot, or we don't have any medicine at the moment. I find the former more likely, but we'll see. Crossbow is probably Unknown 7, and knives are either Unknown 6 or 5.

So far I have-
Unknown 1 - Hookblade
Unknown 2- Dagger?
Unknown 5- Dagger/knives/smoke bombs*?
Unknown 6- knives/smoke bombs*/medicine*?
Unknown 7- Crossbow
*not sure if on weapon wheels

Unknown 2 may also a heavy weapon, or an axe/hammer. Some of the recent interviews make it sound like they are separate this time around. Unknown 4 could be where the medicine goes, as it is the same location as the other games. Not sure about Unknown 5.

Any other opinions on this? Unknown 1-4 are on the Primary Weapon wheel and I'm going clockwise. Unknown 5-7 are on the Secondary weapon wheel and going clockwise.

Also, I don't think that blank space in the ACB wheel gets filled in the game.

Calvarok
09-24-2011, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
I'm sorry I wasn't really clear. I understand what it is but they seriously call it a cherry bomb? For some reason if I said cherry bomb to Ezio I doubt he would know what hell I'm talking about. To me "cherry bomb" = immersion fail. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was the english name for it at the time, and weapons are ALWAYS named in english, in AC.

Blind2Society
09-24-2011, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calvarok:
That was the english name for it at the time </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Was it really?

Jexx21
09-24-2011, 09:12 PM
Let me tell you a story (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/559794736776716360/846D6D607E7F97529D44F64A55465E7D401C1725/)
Of a man who can fly (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/559794736776737801/967A0D5A31CEE1580EE906D09D95594511F20F79/)
and stand on thin air! (ACB Weapon wheel) (http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/559794736776598872/DC34FD505FE7395DCEBC5A5AFD8CAB3AD7825ABB/)

So there is a more detailed image of the weapon wheel from ACB, and that one spot is always blank. I wonder why they just didn't space out the things more instead of leaving a huge empty space like that.

Saqaliba
09-24-2011, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
So there is a more detailed image of the weapon wheel from ACB, and that one spot is always blank. I wonder why they just didn't space out the things more instead of leaving a huge empty space like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some say that there was orginally meant to be an additional weapon planned for ACB but they left it out. The grenade. If you go to the weapon inventory you see that there is a blank spot for an additional weapon there too. I guess they just decided to save it for the bomb crafting system for ACR. Here is my plan for the weapons:

Originally from this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/8981055249?r=3511027549#3511027549):

Primary wheel = close-combat weapons

1.poison
2.hidden-blade (later double-blades)
3.sword/heavy weapon?
4.dagger
5.fists
6.hookblade
7.smoke-bombs?
8.medicine

Secondary wheel = projectiles

1.gun
2.money
3.bomb#1
4.bomb#2
5.bomb#3
6.crossbow
7.poison darts
8.throwing-knives

Blind2Society
09-24-2011, 09:53 PM
Unless you are talking about something different, that open spot is for the original poison once you upgrade.

ProletariatPleb
09-24-2011, 10:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
So there is a more detailed image of the weapon wheel from ACB, and that one spot is always blank. I wonder why they just didn't space out the things more instead of leaving a huge empty space like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some say that there was orginally meant to be an additional weapon planned for ACB but they left it out. The grenade. If you go to the weapon inventory you see that there is a blank spot for an additional weapon there too. I guess they just decided to save it for the bomb crafting system for ACR. Here is my plan for the weapons:

Originally from this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/8981055249?r=3511027549#3511027549):

Primary wheel = close-combat weapons

1.poison
2.hidden-blade (later double-blades)
3.sword/heavy weapon?
4.dagger
5.fists
6.hookblade
7.smoke-bombs?
8.medicine

Secondary wheel = projectiles

1.gun
2.money
3.bomb#1
4.bomb#2
5.bomb#3
6.crossbow
7.poison darts
8.throwing-knives </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Smoke bombs are now a part of the tactical bomb subcategory[EDITED-Just noticed I had typed distraction, lol]

Also, if Hidden blade is not on the second wheel, then how did the Hook+Hidden blade combos work in E3 demo? We saw how Ezio pulled those guards with his hookblade and then killed with hidden blade...

twenty_glyphs
09-24-2011, 11:09 PM
There is a slot under "Inventory &gt; Supplies" in Brotherhood that still says "Locked" even after unlocking everything in the game. The other items on the list are consumable supplies like medicine, smoke bombs, parachutes, etc. I think the general consensus has been that the spot is for poison and bugs out when you upgrade to fast acting poison, or is just buggy regardless.

As for the empty weapon spot being grenades, there may be something to that. I remember reading the Brotherhood novel this summer and during part of the sequence where Ezio tracks down Cesare (that's not in the game), Leonardo gives Ezio five grenade-like bombs that he uses on some boats. I remember thinking the description of that part was a little detailed and mechanical for a throwaway segment of the book almost like it was describing a video game mechanic. It immediately made me think of the bombs in Revelations as well. So I wonder if grenades were going to be an item that you unlocked very late in Brotherhood and got cut.

I don't think that the hook blade will be an item on the weapon wheel. They've said that primary weapons will be (on Xbox) X, secondary weapons Y, and the hook blade B. So in combat the hook blade will have its own dedicated button, making me think it won't be selected from the wheels. And I think smoke bombs will probably be in the tactical category of bombs, not diversion. The cherry bombs create a diversion, but the smoke bombs work much more like the caltrop bomb shown in the Gamescom demo.

ProletariatPleb
09-25-2011, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
I don't think that the hook blade will be an item on the weapon wheel. They've said that primary weapons will be (on Xbox) X, secondary weapons Y, and the hook blade B. So in combat the hook blade will have its own dedicated button, making me think it won't be selected from the wheels. And I think smoke bombs will probably be in the tactical category of bombs, not diversion. The cherry bombs create a diversion, but the smoke bombs work much more like the caltrop bomb shown in the Gamescom demo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that you've mentioned, I remember reading that the Open-hand/Empty-hand button now controls the hookblade, thanks for reminding http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Krayus Korianis
09-25-2011, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
There is a slot under "Inventory &gt; Supplies" in Brotherhood that still says "Locked" even after unlocking everything in the game. The other items on the list are consumable supplies like medicine, smoke bombs, parachutes, etc. I think the general consensus has been that the spot is for poison and bugs out when you upgrade to fast acting poison, or is just buggy regardless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes the "LOCKED" part of the supplies inventory is Poison. It doesn't update to Fast Acting Poison when you unlock it at the Doctor on Isola Tiberina.

AnthonyA85
09-25-2011, 05:21 AM
Well, the Empty slot in ACB is eventually used for the Apple of Eden during Sequence 8.

What i've noticed though, is that the combo icons seem to be gone (sword and gun, knives and shortblade), but that could just be because that shot is from early in the game, after Ezio has lost most of his stash.

But I'm so glad we're gonna have more than 3 smoke bombs now,

Jexx21
09-25-2011, 06:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AnthonyA85:
What i've noticed though, is that the combo icons seem to be gone (sword and gun, knives and shortblade), but that could just be because that shot is from early in the game, after Ezio has lost most of his stash.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it's because we'll be able to combine the primary weapon and the secondary weapon as our combos. So sword and bomb, sword and gun, sword and knives, etc.

Oh, and hidden blades and hidden gun! Ooh, so hidden.

Rakudaton
09-25-2011, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jexx21:
Oh, and hidden blades and hidden gun! Ooh, so hidden. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And yet another person wins the internet. Well done my good sir! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

I really hope it works like you say. It would be awesome just to be hacking away at some person with the hidden blades, and then just turn around and launch a throwing knife at another guy, or even shoot him.

Jexx21
09-25-2011, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3052/weaponwheel.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3474/acr0014ezioweaponwheel1.jpg

LightRey
09-25-2011, 11:34 AM
why is that showing Ezio from before the events in ACB?

Blind2Society
09-25-2011, 11:36 AM
Flashback mission or an ACII skin. Both of which I would be very excited about.

LightRey
09-25-2011, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
Flashback mission or an ACII skin. Both of which I would be very excited about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, I'd be more excited about the flashback mission and, seeing the setting, I'd say it's a flashback mission, so yay.

Blind2Society
09-25-2011, 11:45 AM
The only reason I question whether or not it's a flashback mission is, when we've had flashback missions in the past, all mechanincs revert back to the game from which the flashback is. In that screen we are clearly looking at Revelations weapons and the like.

Saqaliba
09-25-2011, 03:54 PM
Updated:

Primary wheel

1.Crossbow
2.Sword
3.Medicine
4.Dagger/Hidden-blade?
5.Smoke Bomb
6.Heavy Weapon
7.Poison
8.Fists

Secondary wheel = projectiles

1.Gun
2.Money
3.Hookblade?
4.bomb#1
5.bomb#2
6.bomb#3
7.Knife/Throwing Knives?
8.Poison Darts

So, where the hell is the hidden blade on the wheel if he has it selected on the Shortcut? Looks like the instant smoke-bombs are independent of the bomb-crafting system.

naran6142
09-25-2011, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
Updated:

Primary wheel

1.Crossbow
2.Sword
3.Medicine
4.Dagger/Hidden-blade?
5.Smoke Bomb
6.Heavy Weapon
7.Poison
8.Fists

Secondary wheel = projectiles

1.Gun
2.Money
3.Hookblade?
4.bomb#1
5.bomb#2
6.bomb#3
7.Knife/Throwing Knives?
8.Poison Darts

So, where the hell is the hidden blade on the wheel if he has it selected on the Shortcut? Looks like the instant smoke-bombs are independent of the bomb-crafting system. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

im still thinking customizable inventory so maybe the hidden blade was deselected and nothing was put in its place.... uhhh it could makes sense http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

there must be a difference between in conflict secondaries and out of conflict secondaries, cuz it wouldn't make sense to have a sword/money combo, or dagger/money combo

twenty_glyphs
09-25-2011, 10:49 PM
You know what else is interesting about this screen? Look to the left of the brute it looks like some sort of ghostly figure composed of Animus code, like Subject 16 in Brotherhood. The brute and the thief look like they're from Italy like the last two games, and Ezio is wearing his AC2 outfit. Interesting...

ProletariatPleb
09-26-2011, 12:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
You know what else is interesting about this screen? Look to the left of the brute it looks like some sort of ghostly figure composed of Animus code, like Subject 16 in Brotherhood. The brute and the thief look like they're from Italy like the last two games, and Ezio is wearing his AC2 outfit. Interesting... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah we were talking about it yesterday on another topic, I think new screenshots topic, it's the ACII robes, and italian thieves, from the looks of it, I'll say it's Venice...yeah weird code like thing.

LightRey
09-26-2011, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sidspyker24:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
You know what else is interesting about this screen? Look to the left of the brute it looks like some sort of ghostly figure composed of Animus code, like Subject 16 in Brotherhood. The brute and the thief look like they're from Italy like the last two games, and Ezio is wearing his AC2 outfit. Interesting... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah we were talking about it yesterday on another topic, I think new screenshots topic, it's the ACII robes, and italian thieves, from the looks of it, I'll say it's Venice...yeah weird code like thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, it definitely looks like Venice. Also, the fact that there's an Italian-style brute speaks volumes.

EzioAssassin51
09-27-2011, 01:41 AM
Guys, I highly, highly doubt the hookblade and the hidden blade are going to be separate on the weapons wheel. Much like the single and double blades, they aren't going to be separate, since the hookblade is an upgrade. The combos between the hidden blade and hookblade are just part of the takedowns, sometimes it's hidden blade sometimes it's hookblade. Also, i think I may have heard that the hookblade is activated in combat with the press of another button?

And before you say it, I'm pretty sure the poison blade, though an upgrade, is a separate, needle-like blade.


Also, to that guy who said range weapons are now controlled with triangle, that's wrong. It's the bombs that are aimed with triangle.

naran6142
09-27-2011, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
Guys, I highly, highly doubt the hookblade and the hidden blade are going to be separate on the weapons wheel. Much like the single and double blades, they aren't going to be separate, since the hookblade is an upgrade. The combos between the hidden blade and hookblade are just part of the takedowns, sometimes it's hidden blade sometimes it's hookblade. Also, i think I may have heard that the hookblade is activated in combat with the press of another button?

And before you say it, I'm pretty sure the poison blade, though an upgrade, is a separate, needle-like blade.


Also, to that guy who said range weapons are now controlled with triangle, that's wrong. It's the bombs that are aimed with triangle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

im pretty sure that its projectile weapons, including bombs, that are controlled with the triangle button

it wouldn't make much sense to dedicate a button to one weapon

The_Wazzilla
09-27-2011, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
My question is, can we ACTUALLY use the sword and hidden blade together because from what info I have right now, second weapon wheel is a projectile wheel? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe the use of the hidden blade is like the gun/sword, you use it when executing a combo?

Blind2Society
09-27-2011, 10:48 PM
This may be a bit off topic but all this talk of the hidden blade reminds me of a thought I had. I would like to see a new animation of sorts. I would like to see Ezio unsheath the hidden blade into someone. This may not be all that great for actual combat unless for some slowed down kill animations but it would be cool for when Ezio finishes off assassination targets in the conversation screens. Ezio holds his wrist to their throat and unsheaths it. I think it would be badass.

ProletariatPleb
09-27-2011, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
This may be a bit off topic but all this talk of the hidden blade reminds me of a thought I had. I would like to see a new animation of sorts. I would like to see Ezio unsheath the hidden blade into someone. This may not be all that great for actual combat unless for some slowed down kill animations but it would be cool for when Ezio finishes off assassination targets in the conversation screens. Ezio holds his wrist to their throat and unsheaths it. I think it would be badass. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I rememebr talking about this a long time ago, the conclusion was, the Hidden Blade's mechanism isn't THAT powerful, altho I always liked the idea, I hold the guard's face...surprise *sning* he's dead...or poison another guy while shoving :P

Calvarok
09-27-2011, 11:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blind2Society:
This may be a bit off topic but all this talk of the hidden blade reminds me of a thought I had. I would like to see a new animation of sorts. I would like to see Ezio unsheath the hidden blade into someone. This may not be all that great for actual combat unless for some slowed down kill animations but it would be cool for when Ezio finishes off assassination targets in the conversation screens. Ezio holds his wrist to their throat and unsheaths it. I think it would be badass. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he did that a few times in the E3/Emerald Dawn trailer.

nponline
10-15-2011, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
There is a slot under "Inventory &gt; Supplies" in Brotherhood that still says "Locked" even after unlocking everything in the game. The other items on the list are consumable supplies like medicine, smoke bombs, parachutes, etc. I think the general consensus has been that the spot is for poison and bugs out when you upgrade to fast acting poison, or is just buggy regardless.

As for the empty weapon spot being grenades, there may be something to that. I remember reading the Brotherhood novel this summer and during part of the sequence where Ezio tracks down Cesare (that's not in the game), Leonardo gives Ezio five grenade-like bombs that he uses on some boats. I remember thinking the description of that part was a little detailed and mechanical for a throwaway segment of the book almost like it was describing a video game mechanic. It immediately made me think of the bombs in Revelations as well. So I wonder if grenades were going to be an item that you unlocked very late in Brotherhood and got cut.

I don't think that the hook blade will be an item on the weapon wheel. They've said that primary weapons will be (on Xbox) X, secondary weapons Y, and the hook blade B. So in combat the hook blade will have its own dedicated button, making me think it won't be selected from the wheels. And I think smoke bombs will probably be in the tactical category of bombs, not diversion. The cherry bombs create a diversion, but the smoke bombs work much more like the caltrop bomb shown in the Gamescom demo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Idea: what if after revelations comes out, ubisoft releases a patch for brotherhood giving you access to new stuff, like the bombs.

Serrachio
10-15-2011, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nponline:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by twenty_glyphs:
There is a slot under "Inventory &gt; Supplies" in Brotherhood that still says "Locked" even after unlocking everything in the game. The other items on the list are consumable supplies like medicine, smoke bombs, parachutes, etc. I think the general consensus has been that the spot is for poison and bugs out when you upgrade to fast acting poison, or is just buggy regardless.

As for the empty weapon spot being grenades, there may be something to that. I remember reading the Brotherhood novel this summer and during part of the sequence where Ezio tracks down Cesare (that's not in the game), Leonardo gives Ezio five grenade-like bombs that he uses on some boats. I remember thinking the description of that part was a little detailed and mechanical for a throwaway segment of the book almost like it was describing a video game mechanic. It immediately made me think of the bombs in Revelations as well. So I wonder if grenades were going to be an item that you unlocked very late in Brotherhood and got cut.

I don't think that the hook blade will be an item on the weapon wheel. They've said that primary weapons will be (on Xbox) X, secondary weapons Y, and the hook blade B. So in combat the hook blade will have its own dedicated button, making me think it won't be selected from the wheels. And I think smoke bombs will probably be in the tactical category of bombs, not diversion. The cherry bombs create a diversion, but the smoke bombs work much more like the caltrop bomb shown in the Gamescom demo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Idea: what if after revelations comes out, ubisoft releases a patch for brotherhood giving you access to new stuff, like the bombs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

nponline
10-15-2011, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by naran6142:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioAssassin51:
Guys, I highly, highly doubt the hookblade and the hidden blade are going to be separate on the weapons wheel. Much like the single and double blades, they aren't going to be separate, since the hookblade is an upgrade. The combos between the hidden blade and hookblade are just part of the takedowns, sometimes it's hidden blade sometimes it's hookblade. Also, i think I may have heard that the hookblade is activated in combat with the press of another button?

And before you say it, I'm pretty sure the poison blade, though an upgrade, is a separate, needle-like blade.


Also, to that guy who said range weapons are now controlled with triangle, that's wrong. It's the bombs that are aimed with triangle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

im pretty sure that its projectile weapons, including bombs, that are controlled with the triangle button

it wouldn't make much sense to dedicate a button to one weapon </div></BLOCKQUOTE>dont you guys realize there is no more room on a standard xbox 360 or ps3 controller for a seperate weapon wheel to exist? go look at you controllers right now, then get out the reference manual and see if there are any places left

nponline
10-15-2011, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saqaliba:
Updated:

Primary wheel

1.Crossbow
2.Sword
3.Medicine
4.Dagger/Hidden-blade?
5.Smoke Bomb
6.Heavy Weapon
7.Poison
8.Fists

Secondary wheel = projectiles

1.Gun
2.Money
3.Hookblade?
4.bomb#1
5.bomb#2
6.bomb#3
7.Knife/Throwing Knives?
8.Poison Darts

So, where the hell is the hidden blade on the wheel if he has it selected on the Shortcut? Looks like the instant smoke-bombs are independent of the bomb-crafting system. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>jeez dude, i still cant figure out how you switch between each type of bomb ezio carries with him

nponline
10-15-2011, 10:42 AM
one more from me, you know when your sprinting, then go to the weapon wheel mid sprint, come out of it, and ezio just stops? im hopeful this will be fixed