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AllorNothing117
07-05-2009, 01:14 PM
Never flown them, what are they like? I might work my way through allthe P's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So far I've done the 38 XD, 51, 47, 40.

AllorNothing117
07-05-2009, 01:14 PM
Never flown them, what are they like? I might work my way through allthe P's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So far I've done the 38 XD, 51, 47, 40.

Freiwillige
07-05-2009, 01:27 PM
P-11 is like outgunned and outclassed. Polish aircraft.

P-39 is an aircraft full of contradictions. American Pilots hated them, With the engine the middle it made them prone to spin easily.

Here is an Army air corps song from WWII. "Please dont give me a P-39, I rather fly any other kind!
It will auger and spin and do us all in, Please oh please dont give me a P-39!"

Its lack of a supercharger hindered its performance at medium and high altitudes just like the P-40 but the Russians who flew them down low loved them. But keep in mind that they modified and lightened their P-39's.

The P-63 is an evolution of the p-39 and it solved many of the p-39's shortcomings.

P-80 is...well.....uh.....Jet! :P

R_Target
07-05-2009, 01:34 PM
The Allisons in P-39 and P-40 had superchargers, they were just single-speed single-stage, which is why they usually top out in the low to mid teens altitude-wise.

Ba5tard5word
07-05-2009, 01:53 PM
P-39 is kinda cool but it spins out of control really easy.

Be careful with the P-80 because its engine cuts out if you reduce the throttle.

Freiwillige
07-05-2009, 02:40 PM
What Target said.

AllorNothing117
07-05-2009, 03:29 PM
That was disapinting, lol. I'll try the Jet, but I'm raely into the Mig when it comes to jets.

ROXunreal
07-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Well DOH, ease up on the stick and the P-39 is a great turn fighter. Learn its spin limits and feed your enemies some 30mm rounds.

Friendly_flyer
07-05-2009, 04:51 PM
Actually, the P-11 is a funny little plane. Try flying it against doubledeckers for some good WWI style fun!

WTE_Galway
07-05-2009, 06:03 PM
Actually I used to fly the P11c a lot on dogfight servers just to annoy the macho types in their late war birds boasting about their kills.

On very rare occasions you actually shoot things down (bagged a p39 once silly enough to try and turn fight with me) but its slow and agile enough to be really annoying to try and hit with heavier/faster planes providing you have good SA.

It can split S at a silly height (something like 100 metres AGL) and in a pinch can hit 500 kmh in a dive before the wheels come off (about 60 kmh slower than Vne for the real p11c). It also has a very solid collision model. In a mid air collision it often emerges unscathed while ripping the wings off what it hits http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I actually did a bit of a fun Aero/SCW hack on the P11c last year http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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mortoma
07-06-2009, 01:19 AM
I respect the P.11c because it's the hardest to land aircraft in the sim. At least to land and look like you know what your doing. Ain't easy to take off in either without looking like a fool. No other aircraft in the sim is anything like it on landing or takeoff. Go ahead, try it. Take her out for a takeoff and landing.

mortoma
07-06-2009, 01:22 AM
Seems to me the P-80 must be over-modeled or something. Could it really have been that good? I can't lose with it. It's a monster.

mortoma
07-06-2009, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
The Allisons in P-39 and P-40 had superchargers, they were just single-speed single-stage, which is why they usually top out in the low to mid teens altitude-wise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Same deal with the early P-38s up to the F model. Higher than 24,000 feet they were terrible.

DKoor
07-06-2009, 01:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Same deal with the early P-38s up to the F model. Higher than 24,000 feet they were terrible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Blasphemer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif .

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M_Gunz
07-06-2009, 01:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
P-39 is an aircraft full of contradictions. American Pilots hated them, With the engine the middle it made them prone to spin easily.

Here is an Army air corps song from WWII. "Please dont give me a P-39, I rather fly any other kind!
It will auger and spin and do us all in, Please oh please dont give me a P-39!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not exactly a unanimous opinion on the P-39. It requires being flown differently than front engined planes though and not
every pilot was capable of doing that. Chuck Yeager was one of many who liked the P-39, but he had a lot of talent.

As to the song verses, they had similar songs and verses about every other plane in the inventory as well. Part of the fun!
Gee ma, I wanna go home! Not exactly a flight test document. What is a P-400? A P-40 with a Zero on its tail!

The lack of high-alt supercharger and being put in situations where it mattered was the more serious problem.

Freiwillige
07-06-2009, 08:12 AM
It did have some atrocious spin characteristics and they trained you not to try and recover but to get out!

Cant think of any other US fighter that had that issue.

Woke_Up_Dead
07-06-2009, 06:49 PM
I have not tried it yet, but I'm guessing the P-11 might be fun against Zeros online. Zero pilots are used to being able to out-turn everything and will rarely extend and zoom and boom, but the P-11 should be able to out-turn a Zero. Also, the P-11 has four .303 guns; if they are as good at setting planes on fire as the western .303 equipped planes then they should be able to flame the Zero with a good burst.

T_O_A_D
07-07-2009, 04:21 AM
I've been working on a small fictional DF/coop mission involving axis allies, with the P-11 in the mix. I've bagged a G50, and a Ki-27 with is so far flown by breathers testing the map.
Gunnery and pilot kills are a must. And its fun as heck watching some turd like the G50 boom and zoom ya, till he's frustrated, and then tries to turn with ya.

Oh thanks WTE for the skins, now I can give up the turd brown default one.

DKoor
07-07-2009, 04:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I've been working on a small fictional DF/coop mission involving axis allies, with the P-11 in the mix. I've bagged a G50, and a Ki-27 with is so far flown by breathers testing the map.
Gunnery and pilot kills are a must. And its fun as heck watching some turd like the G50 boom and zoom ya, till he's frustrated, and then tries to turn with ya.

Oh thanks WTE for the skins, now I can give up the turd brown default one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You gave me an idea there... it's been a while after the last time I found myself in P.11c pit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

Some of those planes also have very strange DM... IIRC P.11c was one of them.