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choxaway
08-18-2005, 03:13 AM
Just debating whether to splash out on this. I know there are probably a zillion discussions on the subject already here in some form or another, but I'd appreciate your views as to its value-for-money aspect.
Is it a novelty that soon wears off and does it really improve the simming experience enough to warrant the expense? Would you happily fly without it?
Your help and guidance would be welcomed.

choxaway
08-18-2005, 03:13 AM
Just debating whether to splash out on this. I know there are probably a zillion discussions on the subject already here in some form or another, but I'd appreciate your views as to its value-for-money aspect.
Is it a novelty that soon wears off and does it really improve the simming experience enough to warrant the expense? Would you happily fly without it?
Your help and guidance would be welcomed.

GAU-8
08-18-2005, 03:47 AM
chox,

1. no. every day it gets used for ANY flight sim since i bought it last year and a half

2. yes, dramitcally

3.yes its worth the expense, get the vector expansion, it helps even more for steadyness/transitioning movement in IL2 (even though the true 6 D.O.F. is not enabled in game.works beautifully in MSFS2004 though!)

4. NO!! i WOULD NOT fly without it AFTER THE EXPERIENCE.


if i had to fly without a. joystick/hotas OR b.track-ir....id rather have track-ir and a keyboard, than fly with a joystick, an NO track-ir.


the first few days you wont be used to it. only then will it feel like a "gimmick" that everybody else "loves" but doesnt seem to work for "you". DISABLE ALL HATSWITCH'S, or MOUSE CAMERA CONTROL, for viewing in cockpit. give it up to a week or 2.(some people take a while, like i did)

dont go out and get rudder pedals or other flight accessory. i bought rudder pedals the same time i got my vector unit...between the foot movement, and the track-ir i got dizzy trying to figure out where/what my feet, head and aircraft view/piloting was doing. just concentrate on the track-ir product, then add other stuff, when you get past the curve.

i know youll have more questions, and theres lots of us here to help you out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GAU

no not again
08-18-2005, 04:45 AM
Hi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I have owned one for 9 months and it is WELL worth it.

Oilburner_TAW
08-18-2005, 04:46 AM
In all honesty it will be like getting a new game. As said, I'd rather fly keyboard + TIR than have to lose it. What is extremely important is getting a good profile and correct dot placement. There are plenty of threads on this.

asgeirr73
08-18-2005, 06:46 AM
As they all have allredy said its like a new game when you got it your SA incres drasticly and carrier/landlanding lineups become childsplay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I wouldn`t go as far as to say I would rather fly whit keybord (cougar/peddle hotas are adictive to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

I don`t fly anything now that is not suported by Track Ir

choxaway
08-18-2005, 07:40 AM
Thanks for the prompt responses - been out for a while and only just returned to check.
Would you be content to fly without the vector expansion, or does this make a huge difference? Is the Pro version a lot better than the standard one?(More money outlay but I'll spend it if it's really that important).
I gather it also makes 1st person shooters a lot more interesting - Call of Duty 2 coming soon and I wondered . . . and of course BoB2 (Rowan upgrade) is apparently customised to suit IR3 equipment.

Sorry it's lots of questions but I need to justify the outlay to 'she who must be obeyed' . . .

diomedes33
08-18-2005, 09:55 AM
I'm too curious about the difference between tir3pro and previous versions. Other than the vector package how does it stack up?

I currently have TrackIR-1 and the only problems I have with it is that around the extremes (looking over shoulder) it sometimes gets stuck or jittery. For the most part its not a big deal, but makes scissors and evading someone on my tail tough.

I plan to get a TrackIR-3Pro eventually, but is it worth it now if I seldomly would use the vector expansion?

Habaya
08-18-2005, 10:43 AM
Track IR is well worth the investment.
However the upgrade from 1 to 3pro (minus vector expansion), I feel isn€t worth the expense for FB alone.

It€s a route I went down last Christmas due to my very kind wife. Overall I can honestly say that there is little difference/advantage. However I use the unit in a dark cupboard (!!!), therefore the new advantages i.e. light filtering is irrelevant for me.

I might add that I€m on my second 3pro due to the little mentioned green screen problems/fault (see the sticky on the Natural Point forum for info) and even now have to completely uninstall and reinstall very occasionally due to lock ups etc, I can only assume that this is due to a software opposed to hardware issues.

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stubby
08-18-2005, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Habaya:
Track IR is well worth the investment.
However the upgrade from 1 to 3pro (minus vector expansion), I feel isn€t worth the expense for FB alone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I made the upgrade from Tir 1 to Tir3 Pro (because I averaged like 2 hours a night) and could instantly see the difference. Much smoother, no stickiness, more sensors, etc.. If you have Tir 1 and you only fly once a week, then I agree, not worth it. If you fly 4 or 5 nights a week, well worth it. Better on the eyes and just more beefy.

T_O_A_D
08-18-2005, 04:43 PM
Just buy and don't look back, except of course to check your six http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sonatine13
08-18-2005, 05:05 PM
Thanks for TrakIR, it saved my virtual a.. so many times.

vanjast
08-18-2005, 05:35 PM
Here's a negative comment.
I tried it, with all the settings, bells and whistles, but I had a problem sitting still in my seat.
You realy have to sit rigidly still, which is a butt pain, so I tossed it out the window.

I got myself an X45 and programmed the buttons for view control.

Although TIR gave you good views.. etc, what it did not give me was stability of axis view as I bobbed around my chair in excitement. I would lose orientation very quickly. With the X45 I knew exactly where I was at any given moment, which enabled me to turn my fav FW190 within Yak3, LA7's and Spit for that matter.

I'm afraid TIR does not live up to expectations for me. Maybe I'm fussy and need a $$$$$ system to make me happy, X45 will do fine
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InyerEye
08-18-2005, 07:29 PM
Well worth it.
I cant play without it now.I was worried about the keeping still thing,but after getting the "deadzone" set right,it's no problem IMO.
Buy it.

T_O_A_D
08-18-2005, 07:38 PM
You either had an early model that could loose center, Or you never saw my fix in my sig. Even with TIR1, my fix took nearly all complaints away.

Now days my fix still works perfectly, or you can get the 6DOF TrackIR Vector 6 Expansion, And live happily ever after.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vanjast:
Here's a negative comment.
I tried it, with all the settings, bells and whistles, but I had a problem sitting still in my seat.
You realy have to sit rigidly still, which is a butt pain, so I tossed it out the window.

I got myself an X45 and programmed the buttons for view control.

Although TIR gave you good views.. etc, what it did not give me was stability of axis view as I bobbed around my chair in excitement. I would lose orientation very quickly. With the X45 I knew exactly where I was at any given moment, which enabled me to turn my fav FW190 within Yak3, LA7's and Spit for that matter.

I'm afraid TIR does not live up to expectations for me. Maybe I'm fussy and need a $$$$$ system to make me happy, X45 will do fine
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

249th_Harrier
08-18-2005, 07:43 PM
I replaced TIR1 with TIR3pro. The resolution and refresh rate difference is very noticable. I used to get a jittery view and headaches when trying to keep an eye on multiple bandits. It is a whole lot smoother and more enjoyable now.

choxaway
08-19-2005, 02:55 AM
Thanks again everyone. I also posted the question at SimHQ on the BoBWoV section and the positive comments pretty much went along with your views here.
I was a little concerned the Vector expansion didn't do much for FB as it's not really supported in this game but even so, they said there was a considered improvement in smoothness using it.
Does Trackir have any disadvantages you can think of, such as loss of frame rates when switched on? This was reported on the Natural Point site's FB forums and I was a bit bothered this might cause problems for me, although the guys at SimHQ said they hadn't found it an issue.
Also I have two monitors I can use; a CRT and a TFT screen. Does either type of monitor work better than the other with Trackir?
Sorry - endless questions . . . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

dieg777
08-19-2005, 03:28 AM
Track Ir has minimal or no loss of frame rates.
You can use it on any monitor-there is an adaptor for flat screens supplied with kit.
see my reviews or track ir and vector expansion here- there are added comments from other users

http://www.airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&sid...24d930623eaacd24d313 (http://www.airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&amp;sid=d12da4f37e0624d930623eaacd2 4d313)

one thing worth mentioning is that you get a discount ordering direct through airwarfare- but will need to balance this up against any import taxes to uk but they will supply here- I ordered through e-dimensional and was impressed with their service.

Vector expansion improves tracking and I felt that I didnt have to be so rigid in head movement but I only had the normal trackir for a short while before getting VE so with a bit of getting used to it and playing with software I recon even the ordinary trackir is natural enough-but vector expansion is added cost- try trackir3 first and then if you find you are losing tracking go for vector expansion later- in my review there is tullys home-made solution for better tracking so there are ways to get round this IF you have a problem which many do not.
vector expansion is neat in use and should be supported in BOB so probably worth it anyway if you are considering buying this.

choxaway
08-19-2005, 03:35 AM
Just ordered it with the Vector expansion. Comes from the UK-appointed distributor at Bristol (RC Simulations) which is 120 miles up the motorway, so if it's rubbish I can always drive there and hurl it at them . . . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Thanks for all the help and advice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Lucius_Esox
08-19-2005, 06:08 AM
Well done m8, you wont regret it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif One thing I will say though. In my own case it took a while to get used to it!! I think some, because it does feel alien to begin with, "give up", do not do this!!!!!!!

For a long time I thought the rigid "on rails" gunsight veiw you get by using the hat switch was better for aiming.. It was I think. But with time I don't even think that anymore now..

Cant imagine flying without it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

womenfly
08-19-2005, 07:10 AM
Buy it ... buy it .... buy it!

You will not, I repeat, you will not ever fly any flight sim wthout it ever again! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

chrisongtj
08-19-2005, 09:55 AM
Yes, go get it! You'd never forget the experience of dogfights or a sciscors battle, when you're looking all over the place looking for the bandit, while at the same time struggling to maintain control of your plane.

You really need some time to tweak the software settings to each particular game, though. After you've got that down pat, just sit back and enjoy! The immersion factor goes up ten fold with this gadget.

GAU-8
08-19-2005, 11:38 AM
glad to see you ordered it. remember there will be an initial feeling of disorientation when you first use it. disable ANY kind of view switch and just accept it. now all those hatswitches can be used for aircraft functions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif