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Z1stDan
06-08-2004, 01:34 PM
On full real servers I tend to stay with wing mounted gun aircraft because of the extreme muzzleflash with others especially the BF 109s. I was hoping the patch would improve that but it didn't. Any tips from you BF-109 sharpshooters would be appreciated. My main problem with the BF-109 is that even with short bursts I loose the target. With wing mounted guns I can see the tracers and walk them into the target for a kill. Not so with the BF-109.

Z1stDan
06-08-2004, 01:34 PM
On full real servers I tend to stay with wing mounted gun aircraft because of the extreme muzzleflash with others especially the BF 109s. I was hoping the patch would improve that but it didn't. Any tips from you BF-109 sharpshooters would be appreciated. My main problem with the BF-109 is that even with short bursts I loose the target. With wing mounted guns I can see the tracers and walk them into the target for a kill. Not so with the BF-109.

Martial1
06-08-2004, 01:43 PM
There is no mussle flash before you pull the trigger, this is the time to get the cross hairs in the right place. If you are having to adjust your aim mid burst, you aint doing it right.

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ASM 1
06-08-2004, 01:57 PM
yeah http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif - what he said. Also you should fire in very short bursts, otherwise your ammo runs out quick! At least if you do that, you can lift off the button, correct and then fire again.

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Z1stDan
06-08-2004, 01:59 PM
I was mainly referring to deflection shooting where you do have to adjust. Sorry, should have been more specific.

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 02:02 PM
s'ok - same advice still holds - short bursts, get in close http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Andrew

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Flightvector
06-08-2004, 02:05 PM
Deflection shooting at high angles requires a good amount of guessing and re-checking at the enemies flight path since he is out of your vision anyway, so the advice should still apply.

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NegativeGee
06-08-2004, 02:17 PM
I suppose it depends what sort of cannon you are carrying, at least in part.

If you have the MG-151/20, the muzzle flash is not much of an issue and you really only have to contend with the MG-131's, unless you are firing cannon only of course http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The MK-108 is different- as previous posters have said use short bursts. With only 60 or so rounds available, these are too precious to waste "walking your fire" as you can with waepons with a more generous a magazine capacity.

I suppose it comes down to practice- knowing when you have aligned your gunsight correctly in relation to the target, and firing a burst of a second or less. That way I find I can watch the tracers paths and if I miss, correct and do the same again.

The MK-108 is such a powerful gun on a shell for shell basis (IMO at least) that this way is the best approach anyway, as it helps you economise the ammo use, while still being able to get around the muzzle flash (to a degree) and see your tracers.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - G√ľnther Rall

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Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!

Z1stDan
06-08-2004, 02:19 PM
Thanks, looks like I need to practice alot more lol.

F19_Ob
06-08-2004, 02:24 PM
This is only my opinion...Im very random in my acehood and will only do well on a sharp day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
Most of the aces will say they are no aces...so I always try to irritate them abit...but in a loving way.

Yes I agree that the muzzleflash is a bit anoying in the beginning, but if U have gotten used to the guesswork = fighting in the 109 cockpit U'll soon forget about the flash.
I dont notice it anymore.

I very much like the one burst kill so I go for the 30mm cannon. When I practice offline I mostly shoot with the cannon only and with single bops. I have found that this is the best way to learn to remeber the "situationpicture" as i call it. = Practicing to remember the situation and distance. and it works too.

Online however I never use the single bop = one shell, since that kind of thing is a bit silly (my opinion). but short bursts with all weapons.

This training that I do is for me absolutely nescessary because U have fewer shooting opportunities in a 109 compared to better turners. So to be able to shoot in all positions and distances is very important to maximize the firing opportunities.

Sadly my webspace is terminated so my tracks are unavailable at the moment.

As I see it most that have trouble with the 109 does mainly 2 things wrong.
1 Draws too little deflection. this is solved by recording tracks and reviewing them. U actually need quite a lot of deflection. and I still follow that good rule. "when u think u have pulled enough deflection, pull some more. If your tracers go ahead of the target ,good, youre getting there. If they go short, go back to gunnery school....and I often do.

2 problems with turning in low speeds...yes U actually have to be able to turn very well in a bad turning plane.I dont mean that u have to dogfight all the time, with tight turns even if it was done in RL, but u need to be able to maneuver in slow speeds when u extend or climb away from an enemy and waiting for him to stall when he climbs after u and ofcourse to evade his bullets without loosing too much hight hight.

So my belife is that if u improve deflectionmemmory and maneuver in slow speeds U will do fine....but remember its a pocess.

I dont use proppitch as some other aces but i seem to do well most of the time. I like to think I plan quicker than those who are occupied with not frying their engines. (read: Like http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif ).

If u arnt embarrassed when shot down I also strongly recommend to practice turnfights in the 109 online (make tracks). Again turnfighting as only tactic is stupid but the experience and feel for the planes limits is only possible to discover this way (again my opinion).
Personally I have been shot down many times when testing limits and I've learned a lot, he he and at the same time made someone happy for bagging ol' ob. ( they mostly have to work hard though so no easy kills meant).

oops it went kind of longish and may seem a bit braggy...but I'm not really into that stuff...FB is too fun to spoil.

I hope to have new tracks and tactics discussion up soon.

The 109 is very rewarding

cheers

Martial1
06-08-2004, 02:41 PM
Dont even do 1 second bursts if you are unsure if you are on target. 1/2 sec bursts will cause your opponent to smoke if you are on target. Its when you know you are on target that you should extend your burst duration to about a second for the game over condition.
Thanks for the vote of confidence ASM 1 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

ASM 1
06-08-2004, 02:49 PM
sorry man - wasn't trying to diss you or your skills and I'm sorry you took it that way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
still I agree with what you said - short bursts to start then extend duration when you are sure of the hits http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif To be fair, I never really count I wait until it somehow "feels" the right time to fire and hold the duration as short as possible - bigger objects need more attention http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif.

If you get what I mean..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

S!

Andrew

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Call_me_Kanno
06-08-2004, 04:19 PM
Put cross hairs out in front of target and kick rudder back and forth as you fire and bring your aim back towards the target. This is called spray and pray and works pretty well as you have now filled a wide area of the targets path of travel with projectiles.

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JG52Uther
06-08-2004, 04:40 PM
the muzzle flash can be annoying ,but get in real close, and let 'em rip http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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heywooood
06-08-2004, 06:16 PM
Wear shades... 'Spys' are good, or 'Wayfarers'

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