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griego
11-09-2004, 01:21 PM
How are you suppose to see out of them.
when i toggle gunsight all i see is a dark gunsight, but no plane.


Never mind I found the problem. ctrl-D

DuxCorvan
11-09-2004, 01:32 PM
Ctrl+D

It opens the sight protection in the opposite extreme. Those telescopic sights had a tip cover to protect them from dust, etc...

It's the same toggle you use to have reticle dimmer in Zero and 109 shights. Search the controls.

CdnSpits
11-09-2004, 02:42 PM
I found this frustrating as well..took me a while before I realized it was the ctrl-D key to open the cover. I searched the manual looking for an explanation but couldn't find one...so like many I scoured the options list and couldn't find one in there either. It was by pure chance that I thought of the sunshade cover for the 109....and aha success the cover opened!!

Stiglr
11-09-2004, 02:48 PM
Common sense (not to mention courtesy) would assume the sight would be usable as default and you'd have to invoke some useless hoodo key command to close it (if you were silly enough to want to).

Another application of the "annoy the Axis" commands.

Atomic_Marten
11-09-2004, 02:57 PM
Is this wonder gunsight usable (with a little experience on it I mean) without pressing CTRL+D? I can shoot from BF109E&F series without pressing canter g/s button.

JG53Frankyboy
11-09-2004, 03:00 PM
well, if you can look through a black screen

M_S_W
11-09-2004, 03:40 PM
It doesn't do any good to look through the sight, because the guns on the Ki 43 are mostly ineffective. LOL

NegativeGee
11-09-2004, 04:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Is this wonder gunsight usable (with a little experience on it I mean) without pressing CTRL+D? I can shoot from BF109E&F series without pressing canter g/s button. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have to press ctrl-D to remove the cover so you can see through it. Once you do this (the moment you begin your flight) you can shoot from either your normal cockpit view position or press shift-F1 to go to "scope view". I hate the zoomed in view personally because you cannot follow an evading airplane very easily as you have an extremely narrow field of vision.

scootertgm
11-09-2004, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M_S_W:
It doesn't do any good to look through the sight, because the guns on the Ki 43 are mostly ineffective. LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Accually, they are extremely effective when used properly...

Snootles
11-09-2004, 04:12 PM
Sir Alec ******ss said it best. "Not as clumsy or random as a blaster- an elegant weapon from a more civilised age."

If you use the Ki-43's guns like one does American .50cals, throwing up indiscriminate waves of lead to catch the enemy, there will be disappointment. You have to use the 'scope to make each hit count.

Atomic_Marten
11-09-2004, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Is this wonder gunsight usable (with a little experience on it I mean) without pressing CTRL+D? I can shoot from BF109E&F series without pressing canter g/s button. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have to press ctrl-D to remove the cover so you can see through it. Once you do this (the moment you begin your flight) you can shoot from either your normal cockpit view position or press shift-F1 to go to "scope view". I hate the zoomed in view personally because you cannot follow an evading airplane very easily as you have an extremely narrow field of vision. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All I want to know (since I don't have PF yet) is do I have to press CTRL+D just to remove black cover without changing view in any way. If that is the case no prob. But I have seen a few *zoomed* pics of this g/s, and I was afraid that this may be the only way to use it (just looking through it, without been able to see cockpit enviroment). And that would be bad.

Like you, I hate zooming. If I need to zoom on target, that means that he/she http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif is far away, and in that case shooting is just a waste of ammo. Also,even the bigger problem that you have already mention is; it is nice to zoom - that way you can aim at enemy more precisely, but once when he do some manoeuvres, you can have a hard time to track him down. Personally, I use zoom in *very* rare occasions, and *only* in bomber hunting.

noshens
11-09-2004, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:

Like you, I hate zooming. If I need to zoom on target, that means that he/she http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif is far away, and in that case shooting is just a waste of ammo. Also,even the bigger problem that you have already mention is; it is nice to zoom - that way you can aim at enemy more precisely, but once when he do some manoeuvres, you can have a hard time to track him down. Personally, I use zoom in *very* rare occasions, and *only* in bomber hunting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I on another hand, haven't shot a single bullet without full zoom for a long time. Zoom, shoot then go back to normal, zoom, shoot, go back to normal and so on. Might not seem like fun but makes good scores online.. and actaully it is fun!

KamisoriTenno
11-09-2004, 05:37 PM
There is another japanese plane that got a sight skipped to the left side. if i press Ctrl+D I get the shades comming up but I found no way of actually getting the sight to go over the glass sight. Any idea? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Charos
11-09-2004, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M_S_W:
It doesn't do any good to look through the sight, because the guns on the Ki 43 are mostly ineffective. LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps someone forgot to tell the IJA Pilots this?

These are some Quotes from :

Japanese Army Air Force Aces 1937-45 By Henrey Sakaida
Osprey Aircraft of tthe Aces.13


Master Sergent Satoshi Anabuki
8th of October 1943
Flying a KI-43 shoots down 3 B-24 Liberators PLUS 2 of the escort P-38's. One of the B24's was downed due to raming.

Major Yohei Hinoki
26th of November 1943
Flying a KI-43 Downs a Liberator and an Escorting P-51 plus a P-38 and claimed another B-24 as a probable.

Warrant Officer Katsuaki Kira
3rd of August 1943 Kira succeeded in shooting down a B-17 in his KI-43-II.

KamisoriTenno
11-09-2004, 06:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KamisoriTenno:
There is another japanese plane that got a sight skipped to the left side. if i press Ctrl+D I get the shades comming up but I found no way of actually getting the sight to go over the glass sight. Any idea? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does anyone know what plane i mean? I've been going thru all key sets there is and can't figure it out. Is it movable at all? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

A.K.Davis
11-10-2004, 12:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KamisoriTenno:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KamisoriTenno:
There is another japanese plane that got a sight skipped to the left side. if i press Ctrl+D I get the shades comming up but I found no way of actually getting the sight to go over the glass sight. Any idea? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does anyone know what plane i mean? I've been going thru all key sets there is and can't figure it out. Is it movable at all? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the backup iron sights are there in the Zeros, but since bulb failure in the reflector sight is not modelled, there is no use for them. I think the modeller just animated them for fun.

Texas LongHorn
11-10-2004, 01:29 AM
noshens, I'm with you buddy. I mapped two of the buttons on the top of my EVO to be able to switch from normal and zoom view. When you get close I mash the left button and instant zoom view. That way you don't waste ammo. Then with a flick of the right side button the view returns to normal. While I don't play online my friends and I LAN play all the time and to this day I haven't told ANY if them the secret to my shooting accuracy <ggg.> Plus I think folks that try it realize they are using alot less ammo.
All the best, LongHorn

KamisoriTenno
11-10-2004, 02:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
Yes, the backup iron sights are there in the Zeros, but since bulb failure in the reflector sight is not modelled, there is no use for them. I think the modeller just animated them for fun. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, basicly all it does is at the start shifting to the left and you'll never be able to use it at all? o_O To bad...I like pushing buttons and watch things moving on my plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JorBR
11-10-2004, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scootertgm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M_S_W:
It doesn't do any good to look through the sight, because the guns on the Ki 43 are mostly ineffective. LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Accually, they are extremely effective when used properly... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Trying to shoot down a bomber with two 7,62mm machine guns is possible, but unlikely. I hate those telescope sight and guns, they complete handicapp the early Hayabusas.

nakamura_kenji
11-10-2004, 04:14 AM
guns on ki 43 are poor often get 1 or 2 kills because they lack power compared to early zero.

but still fun fly ^_^

Appleby93
11-10-2004, 04:17 AM
They are undpowered, but you seem to get losts of ammunition with them

IDF_Raam
11-10-2004, 06:07 AM
i think there is some confusion here between KI gunsite and KI airplane.

Smokin256
11-10-2004, 08:11 AM
Regarding the Zeros' iron sights. Some people have reported them popping up by themselvs after taking damage. I suspect they pop up automaticly when the optical sight is damaged. But the graphical representation of damage in the cockpit is not finished yet. I think Oleg mentioned they would be included in the patch.

Cheers......Smokin256

TX-WarHawk
11-10-2004, 08:23 AM
I really look forward to a Ki43 II, and I hope they put it in, as there doesn't SEEM (yea, emphasis on it)to be much additional work.

Gunner_361st
11-10-2004, 08:57 AM
Yes Smokin', I was flying the A6M7-Type 63 in a late-war dogfight server recently and noticed the back-up Iron bead sight had popped up in front of the normal sight. However, the normal sight still displayed properly and seemed to have no damage.

Perhaps it is as you said, the game registered it as damaged/disabled but the graphic representation for that is not yet complete. It's a neat feature, a cute little extra.

scootertgm
11-10-2004, 11:00 AM
as long as you use the KI43's guns like ascaple, you can flame up an engine with just a couple shots.

dragonhart38
11-10-2004, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scootertgm:
as long as you use the KI43's guns like ascaple, you can flame up an engine with just a couple shots. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Huh???????

scootertgm
11-10-2004, 11:42 AM
... I meant a scaple...

Flying effectively with a KI-43 means you have to be accurate with your shots. Simply hitting the target will not do. You need to land your rounds on teh enemy's engine and the engine will very quickly catch fire.

Saburo_0
11-10-2004, 12:56 PM
One drawback to the telescopic sight is that you can't toggle to gunsight mode & then look over your should. With other planes/sights this gives you a little better view to the rear.
The Oscar should have great visibility to the rear given the narrow headrest & good canopy, but in PF it doesn't.

A.K.Davis
11-10-2004, 01:40 PM
no, you meant scalpel. lol

scootertgm
11-10-2004, 02:36 PM
lol, I'm a pitot.. seplling is not ncessary, just being able to read an dshoot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I thought I might have spelled it wrong...

Atomic_Marten
11-10-2004, 03:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by noshens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:

Like you, I hate zooming. If I need to zoom on target, that means that he/she http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif is far away, and in that case shooting is just a waste of ammo. Also,even the bigger problem that you have already mention is; it is nice to zoom - that way you can aim at enemy more precisely, but once when he do some manoeuvres, you can have a hard time to track him down. Personally, I use zoom in *very* rare occasions, and *only* in bomber hunting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I on another hand, haven't shot a single bullet without full zoom for a long time. Zoom, shoot then go back to normal, zoom, shoot, go back to normal and so on. Might not seem like fun but makes good scores online.. and actaully it is fun! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

About fun, with full zoom I totally agree. But due to my habit in dogfights, I don't use it often. I don't go online anymore, but even when I played the game online, I didn't use zoom much. It is really a matter of habit. I have noticed that I have better 'feeling' for gunnery when on default zoom (mid-position zoom), then on max.zoom. Also, offline I use min.zoom often too. It gives me good view from cockpit.

Also, I must say that zooming is different from plane to plane IMO (with pit on).

A.K.Davis
11-10-2004, 03:55 PM
I have a very nasty habit of running right up the butts of targets in full-zoom. Target fixation at its worst.

LEXX_Luthor
11-10-2004, 05:14 PM
Its generally agreed that Full Zoom In view gives normal sized appearance of objects, but note that the Full Zoom In view gives the same size as telescopic view through these gunsight toobes. The telescopic gunsight is not really telescopic, if so they would have even more zoom in than Full Zoom In view -- not that I am Whinnig, if that were the case it might be impossible to fly and shoot using telescope view with zoomed in view greater than what we normally have.

dlian
11-10-2004, 06:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Common sense (not to mention courtesy) would assume the sight would be usable as default and you'd have to invoke some useless hoodo key command to close it (if you were silly enough to want to).

Another application of the "annoy the Axis" commands. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I asked Oleg about this previously and in the multitude of things to do he had just forgotten to mention it in the readme.