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slaro
12-27-2010, 05:23 PM
I see here the rumour spredding about a female assassin. I also heard it before.

Some reasons why i am against this concept:

1) The Male Gaming Character is much more succesfull then then the female character.

2) The same thing is important for the historical male/female character. Historicaly there were much less female characters that were realy important. This is because of the chains males gave to them. But we can't change history i guess here.

3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here.

4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy.

It's important to emphasize that the Ubisoft Developers are trying to create a historical represantive gaming experience. They have to understand that the female character isn't believeble in that context. We aren't talking abouth the 21th century. We are talking abouth people who lived centuries ago. In a narrow world with huge differences with nowadays. One of that differences was the female role in history. Just compare them to that of the man.

This argument, besides that i can't identify myself with a female character, is realy important.

I'm sorry that my previous post looked sexist.
Im hoping this one doesn't look like that.

Greetings From
Slaro.

slaro
12-27-2010, 05:23 PM
I see here the rumour spredding about a female assassin. I also heard it before.

Some reasons why i am against this concept:

1) The Male Gaming Character is much more succesfull then then the female character.

2) The same thing is important for the historical male/female character. Historicaly there were much less female characters that were realy important. This is because of the chains males gave to them. But we can't change history i guess here.

3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here.

4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy.

It's important to emphasize that the Ubisoft Developers are trying to create a historical represantive gaming experience. They have to understand that the female character isn't believeble in that context. We aren't talking abouth the 21th century. We are talking abouth people who lived centuries ago. In a narrow world with huge differences with nowadays. One of that differences was the female role in history. Just compare them to that of the man.

This argument, besides that i can't identify myself with a female character, is realy important.

I'm sorry that my previous post looked sexist.
Im hoping this one doesn't look like that.

Greetings From
Slaro.

caswallawn_2k7
12-27-2010, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Recall please one succesfull female hero character. I cant call one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lara croft
Samus (metroid)
Alice (residen evil)
Storm
Buffy
Cat Woman
Elektra
Xena
Wonder Woman

there are plenty of female heroes in stuff.

as for women in history all we need say is the Amazons.

Chortangeyl
12-27-2010, 05:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
I see here the rumour spredding about a female assassin. I also heard it before.

Some reasons why i am against this concept:

1) Recall please one succesfull female hero character. I cant call one.

2) Recall please one heroic female person and put them besides the male characters. The male were historicaly more important, stronger, and go on further. Ofcource there were some important female leaders and/or queens, writers e.a., but a realy big change they weren't (except for Elizabeth maybe or Jean D'Arc important exceptions).

3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here.

4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy.

BUT, historicaly, the female was less important, in many roles and even nowadays they have huge battles to win. It will be a huge turnoff to play with a female assassin because it isn't believeble anymore. I can believe that there were femaly spies or maybe even a killer here or there. But i wont believe that there was a female assassin with a huge role, maybe even the most important in the whole wide world, and destroying the male templars world.
It is historicaly incorrect to hold this concept high.

We see that Ezzio is loved by the people because of his actions. A female won't be loved. The people wont support here. She wont ever be the defender or the people against the templar no matter how hard she tries or how strong she actualy is.

I guess that there are more points to add. Please add them here.

Greetings
Me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same could be said for a male, I suppose. I'd LOVE to see a different character perspective, in story line. What you say about roles is true. However, why not have the 'main' story line (out of the animus) be played as a female, and the 'second' story line (Within the animus), a male perspective? That way it's roughly, an equal measure.

ChaosxNetwork
12-27-2010, 05:35 PM
1) Lara Croft
2) Your slightly sexist
After that I stopped reading
I think it would be nice to be a female assassin.
Yeah this thread became a lot bigger for no reason so I decided to read your whole post.
Your VERY sexist.

Randy 355
12-27-2010, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
1) Recall please one succesfull female hero character. I cant call one.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, Samus Aran and Lara Croft to name two.

As for the female assassin thing, I think it would be an interesting change on perspective in the Assassin's Creed world. I don't find it unbelievable at all to have a female assassin. Sure back then females were often held in low regard, but that may be why playing as a female would be so interesting!

Imagine, the Templar leaders would at first underestimate her. She would use this to her advantage, and could add interesting story elements.

caswallawn_2k7
12-27-2010, 05:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As for the female assassin thing, I think it would be an interesting change on perspective in the Assassin's Creed world. I don't find it unbelievable at all to have a female assassin. Sure back then females were often held in low regard, but that may be why playing as a female would be so interesting!

Imagine, the Templar leaders would at first underestimate her. She would use this to her advantage, and could add interesting story elements. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
this is why female spy's were quite common in the past, people didn't expect a woman to be in such an important spot they could get in much more compromising positions and if caught would basically get a slap on the wrist.

or they could seduce their way up the line to get the information they wanted.

LadyGahan2010
12-27-2010, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
1) Lara Croft
2) Your slightly sexist
After that I stopped reading
I think it would be nice to be a female assassin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You called that "slightly" sexist? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

@OP:
Wow... that's the most sexist post I have seen in a while. Not sure whether to feel offended or just laugh.

chizzy12
12-27-2010, 06:01 PM
I don't want a female assassins only because i wouldnt be able to "connect" with the character.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:02 PM
Im not a sexist at all.
But we are playing a historical game.
Historicaly it just isnt believeble to play a female character and i know for sure a whole lot of player will leave this aspect here.

Lara Croft is highly overrated.

Half of the list above i dont know.

And names like Storm are responsible to male characters and we can go on almost like this for ever.

A female character will destroy this game for me. Because no historical scene is believeble with an important female character. Even if they are strong they are almost always lower in rank to a male character.

I will have more fun with playing Desmond now then a female person.

Im sorry it is just crap if that will turnout.

This is a male game.

With male characters there.

I cant identify myself with a female player.

Like you would put female characters in Call of Duty. Yeah Right. I mean the sweethearts of Ezzio, that's cool, even queens and ladies, but not the assassin. The femaly helpassassins weren't believeble.

There arent realy succesfull female characters. The most important one was Lara Croft because of her looks. But highly overrated because there was nothing better in this genre. The male characters were more important it turned out here.

It's not that you can't name on or two.
It's the exception that proves my point here.

LaCava1
12-27-2010, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
Lara Croft is highly overrated.

Half of the list above i dont know.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, because if Slaro didn't know it, it doesn't count. &lt;/sarcasm&gt;

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
blah blah blah Call of Duty blah blah blah </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This pretty much shows your intelligence level, to me.



With that said, did you not pay attention in AC2? There were a number of female assassins throughout history. Not to mention, Claudia became one.


Granted, I just don't think a female assassin will work, because Desmond is the protagonist. It just isn't believable to me that a man can sync with a woman like that, the sexes are too different.

But if it changes and someone else becomes the protagonist that is female, I have no issue with it at all. Your thread is incredibly sexist and you don't even see it.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As for the female assassin thing, I think it would be an interesting change on perspective in the Assassin's Creed world. I don't find it unbelievable at all to have a female assassin. Sure back then females were often held in low regard, but that may be why playing as a female would be so interesting!

Imagine, the Templar leaders would at first underestimate her. She would use this to her advantage, and could add interesting story elements. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
this is why female spy's were quite common in the past, people didn't expect a woman to be in such an important spot they could get in much more compromising positions and if caught would basically get a slap on the wrist.

or they could seduce their way up the line to get the information they wanted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nonsence, female characters couldnt went up in rank, they only had to kill lower people and much less. I recall Mata Hari for example.
Or see Ezzio when he had to change his clothes for soldier clothes. A woman couldn't have done that. The French Revolution wouldnt be believeble with female high-ranked persons.

caswallawn_2k7
12-27-2010, 06:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triforceman5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
Lara Croft is highly overrated.

Half of the list above i dont know.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, because if Slaro didn't know it, it doesn't count. &lt;/sarcasm&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
also don't forget women who work in teams don't count either.

Sarah Connor in Terminator was female yet she still kicked *** with her small arsenal she had around.

also Ripley in Alien was female yet she still managed to kick the *** of the big *** alien that had already seen off the rest of the crew.

Star Wars you have princess leia who is one of the most important people in the entire trilogy.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
blah blah blah Call of Duty blah blah blah </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This pretty much shows your intelligence level, to me.



With that said, did you not pay attention in AC2? There were a number of female assassins throughout history. Not to mention, Claudia became one.


Granted, I just don't think a female assassin will work, because Desmond is the protagonist. It just isn't believable to me that a man can sync with a woman like that, the sexes are too different.

But if it changes and someone else becomes the protagonist that is female, I have no issue with it at all. Your thread is incredibly sexist and you don't even see it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because Ubisoft says there were female assassins that doesn't mean there were realy female high-ranked assassins. I have studies History and lately have got my BA but if there were secret orders, female players, weren't realy powerfull in the way assassins were.
For example the Godess Juno (you know from the other world that character) that is more believeble.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 06:18 PM
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer?

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triforceman5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
Lara Croft is highly overrated.

Half of the list above i dont know.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, because if Slaro didn't know it, it doesn't count. &lt;/sarcasm&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
also don't forget women who work in teams don't count either.

Sarah Connor in Terminator was female yet she still kicked *** with her small arsenal she had around.

also Ripley in Alien was female yet she still managed to kick the *** of the big *** alien that had already seen off the rest of the crew.

Star Wars you have princess leia who is one of the most important people in the entire trilogy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Terminator: i just have to say the name of the old governor of California.

Alien: Dont know that movie.

Star Wars/Trek: Prinses Leila, come on, i never liked this serie but i can call 10 characters from both series without any female character.
Besides, that is in another universe, maybe even in the future. So bla bla bla.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1).

caswallawn_2k7
12-27-2010, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The French Revolution wouldnt be believeble with female high-ranked persons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Cleopatra was slightly before that time and was queen of Egypt.

Elizabeth I was queen of the England over a century before the French revolution.

then you have Queen Victoria running the British empire not long after it.

you really think there where no women in high ranks?

@slaro if you don't even know how different star trek and star wars are, you are just proving how small your sample range is and how little research you have actually done in the subject. hell most small kids could tell you the difference between star wars and star trek.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 06:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women.

HoIcon
12-27-2010, 06:31 PM
I would like to see how a female assassin would play out in an assassins creed game, she would probably be able to pull off more athletic moves for combat and free running and it would be interesting to see how her and the fetus would fight for control of the memory due to you being able to still play as her when she was pregnant.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The French Revolution wouldnt be believeble with female high-ranked persons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Cleopatra was slightly before that time and was queen of Egypt.

Elizabeth I was queen of the England over a century before the French revolution.

then you have Queen Victoria running the British empire not long after it.

you really think there where no women in high ranks? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cleopatara wasn't important, if Caesar wasn't involved with here, im pretty sure you didnt have heard of her.

Elizabeth I was long before the French Revolution. I called here in my first post one of the exceptions that prove this rule. If she wasn't chosen because of her bloodline then someone else would have taken her place. If he would have made the same great and important things we wont know that. Elizabeth was pretty important yes.

Victoria was nothing more then a symbol of England. Like Marianne is for the French Revolution. She was famed for here long life and that sort of things. But you have only to compare her real power against that of her grandson Wilhelm I.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">@slaro if you don't even know how different star trek and star wars are, you are just proving how small your sample range is and how little research you have actually done in the subject. hell most small kids could tell you the difference between star wars and star trek. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know what Star Trek/Wars has to do with this game. Im just proving my point and im right. I didnt like these series so dont blame me. But you know, as much as i know, the importance of the male character in historical games and series (what Star Trek/Wars clearly isnt haha).

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Joan of Arc.



Also, holy crap you are an idiot.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not 90%, no where near that figure actually. Reading this thread, i actually find your attitude towards women quite insulting, putting down any women mentioned.

You haven't said one nice thing about any women in history.

Oh right, you can't change history.
So Hitler had the apple of Eden and so did Gandhi.

THE-GRIZZLEY
12-27-2010, 06:39 PM
1) There are quite a few female heroes but let's face it, none are quite as popular as male heroes so I understand your point there.

2) Yes, historically males were more dominant so I understand your point there.

3) I can't relate to a female character as well, with all the sex in the AC series it would be creepy to watch my char have sex (censored of course) with a dude.

There will never be a female assassin option until the main storyline is finished and they start making new storylines (which is highly unlikely.)

It is possible for a female assassin if Desmond turns out to be a transvestite.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 06:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
1) There are quite a few female heroes but let's face it, none are quite as popular as male heroes so I understand your point there.

2) Yes, historically males were more dominant so I understand your point there.

3) I can't relate to a female character as well, with all the sex in the AC series it would be creepy to watch my char have sex (censored of course) with a dude.

There will never be a female assassin option until the main storyline is finished and they start making new storylines (which is highly unlikely.)

It is possible for a female assassin if Desmond turns out to be a transvestite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you, and i wouldn't prefer a male or female assassin. The way the OPs going about it though is the wrong way to approach the matter.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
It's not 90%, no where near that figure actually. Reading this thread, i actually find your attitude towards women quite insulting, putting down any women mentioned.

You haven't said one nice thing about any women in history.

Oh right, you can't change history.
So Hitler had the apple of Eden and so did Gandhi. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is pb more then 90%. That Hitler had it, that is possible, Gandhi isn't believeble.
But do you see a female assassin killing high ranked Nazi-Males in Berlin. I can't see that happening. I can see them doing that nowadays or in the future. But not in a historical game.

How can i say nice things about women in history if man made it happen that they couldnt do anything. They were repressed by males, thats the problem, thats why they can't be playing a male character.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:44 PM
Jesus Christ. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for what they've done to you.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
1) There are quite a few female heroes but let's face it, none are quite as popular as male heroes so I understand your point there.

2) Yes, historically males were more dominant so I understand your point there.

3) I can't relate to a female character as well, with all the sex in the AC series it would be creepy to watch my char have sex (censored of course) with a dude.

There will never be a female assassin option until the main storyline is finished and they start making new storylines (which is highly unlikely.)

It is possible for a female assassin if Desmond turns out to be a transvestite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you, and i wouldn't prefer a male or female assassin. The way the OPs going about it though is the wrong way to approach the matter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dear Rocket.
Im not a sexist at all and im agreeing with Grizzly too. It's because of my English that i cant, how do you call it, underline my point.

When i say there were no import female persons. I don't mean that literaly, i mean it like Grizzly it is saying, you see my point.

When i can say it in German, or Dutch, or maybe even French, you would have agreed with me too.
Im appoligizing for my English.
That's why it looks like i am a sexist.
But that is not my point.
Grizzly is saying what i ment to say i guess.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
1) There are quite a few female heroes but let's face it, none are quite as popular as male heroes so I understand your point there.

2) Yes, historically males were more dominant so I understand your point there.

3) I can't relate to a female character as well, with all the sex in the AC series it would be creepy to watch my char have sex (censored of course) with a dude.

There will never be a female assassin option until the main storyline is finished and they start making new storylines (which is highly unlikely.)

It is possible for a female assassin if Desmond turns out to be a transvestite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is what i am trying to say. When i say it it looks more sexist then i actauly mean.
You are saying it like i want to say it. I can't do that well because English is not my best language.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:47 PM
Just because you agree with somebody doesn't absolve you of an extremely sexist and ignorant attitude.

mrfishy101
12-27-2010, 06:48 PM
As said before, just because you're too sexist to learn about female heroes and characters, doesn't mean they aren't there. Besides, I'm sure you don't have to worry about it. Ubisoft wouldn't want to upset the fanbase of you.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Just because you agree with somebody doesn't absolve you of an extremely sexist and ignorant attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im not a sexist.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
It's not 90%, no where near that figure actually. Reading this thread, i actually find your attitude towards women quite insulting, putting down any women mentioned.

You haven't said one nice thing about any women in history.

Oh right, you can't change history.
So Hitler had the apple of Eden and so did Gandhi. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is pb more then 90%. That Hitler had it, that is possible, Gandhi isn't believeble.
But do you see a female assassin killing high ranked Nazi-Males in Berlin. I can't see that happening. I can see them doing that nowadays or in the future. But not in a historical game.

How can i say nice things about women in history if man made it happen that they couldnt do anything. They were repressed by males, thats the problem, thats why they can't be playing a male character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually its stated that Gandhi and Hitler had it, its some of the images shown in the truth video i believe. Something like that. But Ubi can't change history so they must of had it.

At the end of the day, i don't agree or disagree. Of course i don't mind a male or female assassins, its just the way you came across. I respect myself highly as a woman and will bow to no man due to gender. I see both equally and you came across slightly sexist.

If you didn't mean to then fair enough, but you shouldn't have phrased it the way you did.

And i am English too, but i can get across my view in the tone that i intend.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Just because you agree with somebody doesn't absolve you of an extremely sexist and ignorant attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im not a sexist. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes you are. And you do not even seem to be aware of it, which is the worst part. Sexist, and ignorant.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mrfishy101:
As said before, just because you're too sexist to learn about female heroes and characters, doesn't mean they aren't there. Besides, I'm sure you don't have to worry about it. Ubisoft wouldn't want to upset the fanbase of you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think my 'fanbase' is indeed to big to ignore. The female players dont care if they are playing with males or females. The males like me, they do care and will be hugely dissapointed if it turns out to be a female,

like i said, you can't change history, you can't change the fact that the females were repressed by males for centuries.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 06:51 PM
There's no point in me listing popular female protagonists since it's already been done so effectively in this thread already.

I'd have no problem playing a female Assassin, I don't see the need though as the next games should and probably will include co-op.

I think there as many female gamers out there as male, they just don't identify themselves so readily because a bunch of hard ups immediately try to virtually jump their bones in about two seconds flat.
My wife has been playing console games me with for 10 years+ and never once complained about the fact that in most of the good games she has to play a male. It's about time females got a little more recognition for their place in this community, even if it's only to put an end to the kind of mindless perspective that generated this post. I'm not saying there aren't some valid points but they were made poorly and ignorantly.

And to end, regardless of whether a male is more interesting, stronger or has been proven to achieve more throughout history, more often than not it was because of an infatuation or desire for a female, who in turn could manipulate that strength in any way she pleased.

Who possess the strength, the body, the mind or the manipulator of the mind? My female counter part only has to say a word for me to act.

"The greatest warrior never even has to draw his/her sword".

THE-GRIZZLEY
12-27-2010, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
1) There are quite a few female heroes but let's face it, none are quite as popular as male heroes so I understand your point there.

2) Yes, historically males were more dominant so I understand your point there.

3) I can't relate to a female character as well, with all the sex in the AC series it would be creepy to watch my char have sex (censored of course) with a dude.

There will never be a female assassin option until the main storyline is finished and they start making new storylines (which is highly unlikely.)

It is possible for a female assassin if Desmond turns out to be a transvestite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is what i am trying to say. When i say it it looks more sexist then i actauly mean.
You are saying it like i want to say it. I can't do that well because English is not my best language. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I don't believe you're being sexist at all, you just couldn't find the right words to explain what you meant. Don't worry, I think people understand your true message it is just the way you went about saying it.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mrfishy101:
As said before, just because you're too sexist to learn about female heroes and characters, doesn't mean they aren't there. Besides, I'm sure you don't have to worry about it. Ubisoft wouldn't want to upset the fanbase of you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think my 'fanbase' is indeed to big to ignore. The female players dont care if they are playing with males or females. The males like me, they do care and will be hugely dissapointed if it turns out to be a female,

like i said, you can't change history, you can't change the fact that the females were repressed by males for centuries. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are making a big, sweeping statement about what women think, as if you know what all women think. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SEXIST THING TO DO.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
It's not 90%, no where near that figure actually. Reading this thread, i actually find your attitude towards women quite insulting, putting down any women mentioned.

You haven't said one nice thing about any women in history.

Oh right, you can't change history.
So Hitler had the apple of Eden and so did Gandhi. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is pb more then 90%. That Hitler had it, that is possible, Gandhi isn't believeble.
But do you see a female assassin killing high ranked Nazi-Males in Berlin. I can't see that happening. I can see them doing that nowadays or in the future. But not in a historical game.

How can i say nice things about women in history if man made it happen that they couldnt do anything. They were repressed by males, thats the problem, thats why they can't be playing a male character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually its stated that Gandhi and Hitler had it, its some of the images shown in the truth video i believe. Something like that. But Ubi can't change history so they must of had it.

At the end of the day, i don't agree or disagree. Of course i don't mind a male or female assassins, its just the way you came across. I respect myself highly as a woman and will bow to no man due to gender. I see both equally and you came across slightly sexist.

If you didn't mean to then fair enough, but you shouldn't have phrased it the way you did.

And i am English too, but i can get across my view in the tone that i intend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah ok, pb i have forgotten that about Ghandi and Hitler, we will see how that will turn out.
My English pronouncement is pb more worse then you, i'm from the continent, so i hope you understand.

I dont say that females are less equal then the male persons. But it is a fact that they were shown that way for centuries.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 06:56 PM
It is also a fact that despite this conception, there were a very large number of significant females throughout history, dating even into BC.

Not to mention, assassins operate in the shadows where they are unseen and largely unheard of, and forgotten by history.

So, for one, there were a lot of significant female figures. For another, assassins are not bound to history, as they operate in such a way that history does not really record them.



I think we would need to see a female protagonist for us to ever have a female ancestor, but that doesn't change the fact that you're being incredibly sexist and don't realize it.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
1) There are quite a few female heroes but let's face it, none are quite as popular as male heroes so I understand your point there.

2) Yes, historically males were more dominant so I understand your point there.

3) I can't relate to a female character as well, with all the sex in the AC series it would be creepy to watch my char have sex (censored of course) with a dude.

There will never be a female assassin option until the main storyline is finished and they start making new storylines (which is highly unlikely.)

It is possible for a female assassin if Desmond turns out to be a transvestite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is what i am trying to say. When i say it it looks more sexist then i actauly mean.
You are saying it like i want to say it. I can't do that well because English is not my best language. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I don't believe you're being sexist at all, you just couldn't find the right words to explain what you meant. Don't worry, I think people understand your true message it is just the way you went about saying it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1
Indeed, im glad you understand (my reading is much better than the way i write), people like Ezekiel just don't want to understand anymore.
Maybe the title of this topic isnt a good argument in the 'sexist'-discussion haha :P :P.

slaro
12-27-2010, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
It is also a fact that despite this conception, there were a very large number of significant females throughout history, dating even into BC.

Not to mention, assassins operate in the shadows where they are unseen and largely unheard of, and forgotten by history.

So, for one, there were a lot of significant female figures. For another, assassins are not bound to history, as they operate in such a way that history does not really record them.



I think we would need to see a female protagonist for us to ever have a female ancestor, but that doesn't change the fact that you're being incredibly sexist and don't realize it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just try to label it and give it a name.
Besides that, there were many known assassins in history, and their organisation wasnt realy different from other organisations.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 06:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
It's not 90%, no where near that figure actually. Reading this thread, i actually find your attitude towards women quite insulting, putting down any women mentioned.

You haven't said one nice thing about any women in history.

Oh right, you can't change history.
So Hitler had the apple of Eden and so did Gandhi. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is pb more then 90%. That Hitler had it, that is possible, Gandhi isn't believeble.
But do you see a female assassin killing high ranked Nazi-Males in Berlin. I can't see that happening. I can see them doing that nowadays or in the future. But not in a historical game.

How can i say nice things about women in history if man made it happen that they couldnt do anything. They were repressed by males, thats the problem, thats why they can't be playing a male character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually its stated that Gandhi and Hitler had it, its some of the images shown in the truth video i believe. Something like that. But Ubi can't change history so they must of had it.

At the end of the day, i don't agree or disagree. Of course i don't mind a male or female assassins, its just the way you came across. I respect myself highly as a woman and will bow to no man due to gender. I see both equally and you came across slightly sexist.

If you didn't mean to then fair enough, but you shouldn't have phrased it the way you did.

And i am English too, but i can get across my view in the tone that i intend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah ok, pb i have forgotten that about Ghandi and Hitler, we will see how that will turn out.
My English pronouncement is pb more worse then you, i'm from the continent, so i hope you understand.

I dont say that females are less equal then the male persons. But it is a fact that they were shown that way for centuries. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But it comes across like that. The status that women have now is thanks to those women who you didn't acknowledge in a previous post, brave and persistent women throughout history. Many women look up to women in history for inspiration and guidance. Look at the demonstration for uni fees, that was inspired by women fighting for women's suffrage.

Don't make an excuse, i'm from here or there, because it doesn't make a difference to me. At the end of the day, i'm a women and i found your tone insulting as well as males on this thread so it can't be my perception.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 07:00 PM
Op; It's just narrow minded to not understand how a female could be successful in the role of Assassin. You're thinking in a one dimensional manner and assuming that effective assassinations would have to be carried out in a way that you understand using strength, brute force, etc. Not to say a woman can't be in possession of these attributes also but the physically weaker beings (men and women alike) have consistently found a way throughout history to overcome the beefy brawlers through guile and skill.

A lot of smaller people are significantly stronger then their larger counter parts pound for pound anyway, strength forged through a life time spent having to perform the same actions as larger beings. Take cooking for example, I'm a fairly big person, my wife has been doing most of the cooking and is smaller than I am, the pans we have are HEAVY and she has been handling those things extensively for a long time, if she is smaller than me, effectively when she lifts the same pan as me (she cooks, I wash) she is lifting a heavier weight in regard to her smaller stature, therefore she could actually be considered stronger over the course of our life together.

E-Zekiel
12-27-2010, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:


Just try to label it and give it a name.
Besides that, there were many known assassins in history, and their organisation wasnt realy different from other organisations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm talking about the Assassin's Creed assassins, not the historical ones.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
But it comes across like that. The status that women have now is thanks to those women who you didn't acknowledge in a previous post, brave and persistent women throughout history. Many women look up to women in history for inspiration and guidance. Look at the demonstration for uni fees, that was inspired by women fighting for women's suffrage.

Don't make an excuse, i'm from here or there, because it doesn't make a difference to me. At the end of the day, i'm a women and i found your tone insulting as well as males on this thread so it can't be my perception. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because of the male you were chained.
Because of the male you were liberated.
There were enough female exceptions.
But they are proving the rule.
Nowadays the emancipation of women isn't high enough and that is not fair i guess.
In a country like The Netherlands, one of the most free countries of the world, even here there are not much woman at the top of the commercial and financial sector for example.
I call the US Army, where women can't join the submarine for example, i can't help it that history was anti-female hm.

I can't help that.

But i can try to solve the problem now where i come, i think it is import to emphasize the female equality, know that.

I can help, and that's what im trying to do, we are playing a historical game and we have to stay historically correct, no matter what, thats important.

THE-GRIZZLEY
12-27-2010, 07:08 PM
A message to you slaro:

What people are saying is that dspite our male-dominated culture (and historically male-dominant culture,) females have played huge roles and I firmly believe that they have shaped our culture.

Your post does make sense and has a logical reason behind it, but you need to acknowledge the roles women have played throughout history. YOU aren't being sexist, your words are (hopefully that makes sense to you.)

You should edit your original post and state you may made false assumptions on women and apologize for it; that is the only way to end this mess.

Sometimes you have to step into the shoes of the people you're addressing and look at it from their point of view.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 07:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
But it comes across like that. The status that women have now is thanks to those women who you didn't acknowledge in a previous post, brave and persistent women throughout history. Many women look up to women in history for inspiration and guidance. Look at the demonstration for uni fees, that was inspired by women fighting for women's suffrage.

Don't make an excuse, i'm from here or there, because it doesn't make a difference to me. At the end of the day, i'm a women and i found your tone insulting as well as males on this thread so it can't be my perception. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because of the male you were chained.
Because of the male you were liberated.
There were enough female exceptions.
But they are proving the rule.
Nowadays the emancipation of women isn't high enough and that is not fair i guess.
In a country like The Netherlands, one of the most free countries of the world, even here there are not much woman at the top of the commercial and financial sector for example.
I call the US Army, where women can't join the submarine for example, i can't help it that history was anti-female hm.

I can't help that.

But i can try to solve the problem now where i come, i think it is import to emphasize the female equality, know that.

I can help, and that's what im trying to do, we are playing a historical game and we have to stay historically correct, no matter what, thats important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just so you know Slaro, for historical accuracy, the reason why the USA and Britain are two of the most successful nations in the World is because during the critical war era's their women were included as part of the work force and military. The production race of the World Wars (tanks, aircraft, etc) was won by these countries because they weren't so narrow minded and bigoted to disregard such a huge asset.
The financial histories and accounts of these countries accurately reflect this FACT.

Women can't go on a US Naval submarine because the males on that vessel aren't in possession of enough self control to avoid the sticky situations, it has nothing to do with female weakness and everything to do with male weakness.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Op; It's just narrow minded to not understand how a female could be successful in the role of Assassin. You're thinking in a one dimensional manner and assuming that effective assassinations would have to be carried out in a way that you understand using strength, brute force, etc. Not to say a woman can't be in possession of these attributes also but the physically weaker beings (men and women alike) have consistently found a way throughout history to overcome the beefy brawlers through guile and skill.

A lot of smaller people are significantly stronger then their larger counter parts pound for pound anyway, strength forged through a life time spent having to perform the same actions as larger beings. Take cooking for example, I'm a fairly big person, my wife has been doing most of the cooking and is smaller than I am, the pans we have are HEAVY and she has been handling those things extensively for a long time, if she is smaller than me, effectively when she lifts the same pan as me (she cooks, I wash) she is lifting a heavier weight in regard to her smaller stature, therefore she could actually be considered stronger over the course of our life together. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Look, i didnt create history i guess, and women were important. There were enough women who, in their role they were given, could excallerate. Could even become better, write, think and we can go on like this for many things. But there were chains, there were lines, some things just aren't believeble. A female character as Assassin, in this context (not a one-time-murderer hm), with this importance, in that time, just isnt believeble and i can't identify myself with a female character, for my gaming expirience, that's realy important.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 07:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Op; It's just narrow minded to not understand how a female could be successful in the role of Assassin. You're thinking in a one dimensional manner and assuming that effective assassinations would have to be carried out in a way that you understand using strength, brute force, etc. Not to say a woman can't be in possession of these attributes also but the physically weaker beings (men and women alike) have consistently found a way throughout history to overcome the beefy brawlers through guile and skill.

A lot of smaller people are significantly stronger then their larger counter parts pound for pound anyway, strength forged through a life time spent having to perform the same actions as larger beings. Take cooking for example, I'm a fairly big person, my wife has been doing most of the cooking and is smaller than I am, the pans we have are HEAVY and she has been handling those things extensively for a long time, if she is smaller than me, effectively when she lifts the same pan as me (she cooks, I wash) she is lifting a heavier weight in regard to her smaller stature, therefore she could actually be considered stronger over the course of our life together. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Look, i didnt create history i guess, and women were important. There were enough women who, in their role they were given, could excallerate. Could even become better, write, think and we can go on like this for many things. But there were chains, there were lines, some things just aren't believeble. A female character as Assassin, in this context (not a one-time-murderer hm), with this importance, in that time, just isnt believeble and i can't identify myself with a female character, for my gaming expirience, that's realy important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you didn't but you're not accurately reciting it either. Your just stating blanket perception items as if they were fact.

Women have been leaders and warriors since before the time of Boudicca (Celtic heroine). In the earliest days of man a female God was worshiped, the three fold Goddess Danu was worshiped long before Male gods came to pass. In fact Male Druids, envious of the females role in society at that time as priestess's aggressively assumed the role as mouth pieces for religion and systematically replaced the female goddess with a male god to serve their own lust for power.

Avl521
12-27-2010, 07:14 PM
WOW... your post was EXTREMELY sexist whether that was your intention or not.

I can kind of... understand what you meant, however the tone in which you said it... or the way you expressed it was insulting, and I'm a guy.
Imagine how a woman that reads your post will feel.

I know it's hard as a male to identify with a character if you're a male and the character is female, but what about the girls who play videogames?

At least I know my favorite characters in the ACB Multiplayer in order are:

Prowler
Courtesan
Doctor

I love the courtesan, she's really cool.
It's not so much about the gender of the assassin, if the story is done well, and if the writers can make that character good enough, no matter if male or female, the game at least story wise will be incredible.

Also think about the advantages woman can have as assassins:
They weigh less so they are more agile.

If you ever see a ballet dancer you can see how graceful and elegant their moves can be which if portrayed correctly in the game could be awesome in the free running side of the game.

Seduction and Manipulation to get close to a target.

More stealth.

It would be kickass to see how a female kicks a Brute's ***.

There were female assassins (The one on the Shrine in Monteriggioni) most of my Brotherhood was composed of females which was indeed awesome. Lucy who shows she can free run and fight just like Desmond.
Claudia who managed to kill the guards that entered the Rosa In Fiore by herself and was promoted to Assassin by Ezio.
Maria Thorpe.
etc.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
But it comes across like that. The status that women have now is thanks to those women who you didn't acknowledge in a previous post, brave and persistent women throughout history. Many women look up to women in history for inspiration and guidance. Look at the demonstration for uni fees, that was inspired by women fighting for women's suffrage.

Don't make an excuse, i'm from here or there, because it doesn't make a difference to me. At the end of the day, i'm a women and i found your tone insulting as well as males on this thread so it can't be my perception. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because of the male you were chained.
Because of the male you were liberated.
There were enough female exceptions.
But they are proving the rule.
Nowadays the emancipation of women isn't high enough and that is not fair i guess.
In a country like The Netherlands, one of the most free countries of the world, even here there are not much woman at the top of the commercial and financial sector for example.
I call the US Army, where women can't join the submarine for example, i can't help it that history was anti-female hm.

I can't help that.

But i can try to solve the problem now where i come, i think it is import to emphasize the female equality, know that.

I can help, and that's what im trying to do, we are playing a historical game and we have to stay historically correct, no matter what, thats important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that was hugely insulting.
I am controlled by no male. Both genders are equal. &gt;.&gt;
Your saying women have no input to history, but they have and your not listening to people. You keep returning to the fact women haven't had any input and they have!
Your talking to someone's who's studied women's suffrage.

You should just stop talking, your digging yourself a grave here.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
A message to you slaro:

What people are saying is that dspite our male-dominated culture (and historically male-dominant culture,) females have played huge roles and I firmly believe that they have shaped our culture.

Your post does make sense and has a logical reason behind it, but you need to acknowledge the roles women have played throughout history. YOU aren't being sexist, your words are (hopefully that makes sense to you.)

You should edit your original post and state you may made false assumptions on women and apologize for it; that is the only way to end this mess.

Sometimes you have to step into the shoes of the people you're addressing and look at it from their point of view. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand what they say and see.
I dont deny that they were important and shaped the world. I agree with you. I recalled the first post and the title.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 07:18 PM
A woman was your gate way into the world Slaro and still you can't see their power?
I feel compelled to comment on this thread before you set the male/female mass relationship back a hundred years.

It's not Male ignorance you're displaying, just individual ignorance.

CharDude
12-27-2010, 07:19 PM
I love how you're trying to say you aren't sexist when it's oh so apparent you are. Also, in the Assassin's Creed universe, let's relate to a popular phrase.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."

I believe Ezio himself, a manly manly male, just dismantled your entire "Women shouldn't be main characters in the game because they are women." argument. Claudia became an assassin because Ezio needed her to be. Ezio recruited female assassins because he needed them as well. The Assassin's don't discriminate against who should be within their ranks as long as they show an interest to aid the cause. Lucy herself (presumably) is an assassin, and Desmond (a male) wouldn't be where he is in the game without her. If the main character for ACIII were a female, it would make sense. Why? Assassin's disregard it.

I'd rather stay out of the historical part, as we ARE talking about the game. And as far as the game goes, it doesn't care one bit about men or women being more important. Assassin's are assassin's. End of story. You can't change that.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
But it comes across like that. The status that women have now is thanks to those women who you didn't acknowledge in a previous post, brave and persistent women throughout history. Many women look up to women in history for inspiration and guidance. Look at the demonstration for uni fees, that was inspired by women fighting for women's suffrage.

Don't make an excuse, i'm from here or there, because it doesn't make a difference to me. At the end of the day, i'm a women and i found your tone insulting as well as males on this thread so it can't be my perception. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because of the male you were chained.
Because of the male you were liberated.
There were enough female exceptions.
But they are proving the rule.
Nowadays the emancipation of women isn't high enough and that is not fair i guess.
In a country like The Netherlands, one of the most free countries of the world, even here there are not much woman at the top of the commercial and financial sector for example.
I call the US Army, where women can't join the submarine for example, i can't help it that history was anti-female hm.

I can't help that.

But i can try to solve the problem now where i come, i think it is import to emphasize the female equality, know that.

I can help, and that's what im trying to do, we are playing a historical game and we have to stay historically correct, no matter what, thats important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that was hugely insulting.
I am controlled by no male. Both genders are equal. &gt;.&gt;
Your saying women have no input to history, but they have and your not listening to people. You keep returning to the fact women haven't had any input and they have!
Your talking to someone's who's studied women's suffrage.

You should just stop talking, your digging yourself a grave here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are talking to someone who's studies History. I know that that in the historical writhing the last decade there was more attention for the female role. But if you realy did studies history. You can't deny my argument.

THE-GRIZZLEY
12-27-2010, 07:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
I see here the rumour spredding about a female assassin. I also heard it before.

Some reasons why i am against this concept:

1) The Male Gaming Character is much more succesfull then then the female character.

2) The same thing is important for the historical male/female character. Historicaly there were much less female characters that were realy important. This is because of the chains males gave to them. But we can't change history i guess here.

3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here.

4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy.

It's important to emphasize that the Ubisoft Developers are trying to create a historical represantive gaming experience. They have to understand that the female character isn't believeble in that context. We aren't talking abouth the 21th century. We are talking abouth people who lived centuries ago. In a narrow world with huge differences with nowadays. One of that differences was the female role in history. Just compare them to that of the man.

This argument, besides that i can't identify myself with a female character, is realy important.

I'm sorry that my previous post looked sexist.
Im hoping this one doesn't look like that.

Greetings From
Slaro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Much better.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
But it comes across like that. The status that women have now is thanks to those women who you didn't acknowledge in a previous post, brave and persistent women throughout history. Many women look up to women in history for inspiration and guidance. Look at the demonstration for uni fees, that was inspired by women fighting for women's suffrage.

Don't make an excuse, i'm from here or there, because it doesn't make a difference to me. At the end of the day, i'm a women and i found your tone insulting as well as males on this thread so it can't be my perception. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because of the male you were chained.
Because of the male you were liberated.
There were enough female exceptions.
But they are proving the rule.
Nowadays the emancipation of women isn't high enough and that is not fair i guess.
In a country like The Netherlands, one of the most free countries of the world, even here there are not much woman at the top of the commercial and financial sector for example.
I call the US Army, where women can't join the submarine for example, i can't help it that history was anti-female hm.

I can't help that.

But i can try to solve the problem now where i come, i think it is import to emphasize the female equality, know that.

I can help, and that's what im trying to do, we are playing a historical game and we have to stay historically correct, no matter what, thats important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that was hugely insulting.
I am controlled by no male. Both genders are equal. &gt;.&gt;
Your saying women have no input to history, but they have and your not listening to people. You keep returning to the fact women haven't had any input and they have!
Your talking to someone's who's studied women's suffrage.

You should just stop talking, your digging yourself a grave here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are talking to someone who's studies History. I know that that in the historical writhing the last decade there was more attention for the female role. But if you realy did studies history. You can't deny my argument. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if you studied history, you couldn't deny that there were successful women in history!

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CharDude2010:
I love how you're trying to say you aren't sexist when it's oh so apparent you are. Also, in the Assassin's Creed universe, let's relate to a popular phrase.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."

I believe Ezio himself, a manly manly male, just dismantled your entire "Women shouldn't be main characters in the game because they are women." argument. Claudia became an assassin because Ezio needed her to be. Ezio recruited female assassins because he needed them as well. The Assassin's don't discriminate against who should be within their ranks as long as they show an interest to aid the cause. Lucy herself (presumably) is an assassin, and Desmond (a male) wouldn't be where he is in the game without her.

I'd rather stay out of the historical part, as we ARE talking about the game. And as far as the game goes, it doesn't care one bit about men or women being more important. Assassin's are assassin's. End of story. You can't change that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Assassin's are assassin's in a historical context. You have to recreate that world.
So it is important to say this here.
I wouldn't like either if Lara Croft became Peter Croft, i dont play this game realy, but you can understand my point.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
Well if you studied history, you couldn't deny that there were successful women in history! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt deny that.
But if you say that they were equaly important in shaping the world as men, then you are lying, not because they weren't capable to, but because they weren't allowed to by the males, because they were chained.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
A woman was your gate way into the world Slaro and still you can't see their power?
I feel compelled to comment on this thread before you set the male/female mass relationship back a hundred years.

It's not Male ignorance you're displaying, just individual ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate a 17th century world for example, you can't put 21th century believes in it, it is simple like that, or were you one of that people that dont want that the enemy is called Taliban in MOH Tier1.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by THE-GRIZZLEY:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
I see here the rumour spredding about a female assassin. I also heard it before.

Some reasons why i am against this concept:

1) The Male Gaming Character is much more succesfull then then the female character.

2) The same thing is important for the historical male/female character. Historicaly there were much less female characters that were realy important. This is because of the chains males gave to them. But we can't change history i guess here.

3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here.

4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy.

It's important to emphasize that the Ubisoft Developers are trying to create a historical represantive gaming experience. They have to understand that the female character isn't believeble in that context. We aren't talking abouth the 21th century. We are talking abouth people who lived centuries ago. In a narrow world with huge differences with nowadays. One of that differences was the female role in history. Just compare them to that of the man.

This argument, besides that i can't identify myself with a female character, is realy important.

I'm sorry that my previous post looked sexist.
Im hoping this one doesn't look like that.

Greetings From
Slaro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Much better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thnx and
hoping so.

rocketxsurgeon
12-27-2010, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
Well if you studied history, you couldn't deny that there were successful women in history! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt deny that.
But if you say that they were equaly important in shaping the world as men, then you are lying, not because they weren't capable to, but because they weren't allowed to by the males, because they were chained. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said that.
Though you failed to acknowledge any females from history mentioned thus far, so you gave that impression.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
Well if you studied history, you couldn't deny that there were successful women in history! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt deny that.
But if you say that they were equaly important in shaping the world as men, then you are lying, not because they weren't capable to, but because they weren't allowed to by the males, because they were chained. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said that.
Though you failed to acknowledge any females from history mentioned thus far, so you gave that impression. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was the first to call the name of Elizabeth I. But if you say Victoria or Cleopatra then you dont know your history and i have to attack these arguments ( that wasnt you i know ).
Just call Jeanne D'Arc, Elizabeth I, or Mata Hari for example haha.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
A woman was your gate way into the world Slaro and still you can't see their power?
I feel compelled to comment on this thread before you set the male/female mass relationship back a hundred years.

It's not Male ignorance you're displaying, just individual ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate a 17th century world for example, you can't put 21th century believes in it, it is simple like that, or were you one of that people that dont want that the enemy is called Taliban in MOH Tier1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand the point you are trying to make, history is history and should remain accurate for the game to be more credible.
What I don't understand is how you can ignore that female assassins were VERY LIKELY active in that period. You are thinking battle fields and all out war but you are neglecting the role of courtesan for one, who were hugely involved in spying and information transfer in that time along with, female thieves and higher class Ladies involved in hostile takeovers through marriage etc.
The other point I need to make is that just because a history book (written by a male presumably) chose to either ignore or didn't know about the role of females in certain periods in no way means that it didn't happen. Books are a collection of words, like yours and if we were to believe every single one of them, well, the World would be a very fanciful place.

And as far as not wanting Taliban used as the name for the enemy in a game ( I think that's what you meant), no it's not a problem for me, I'm all for keeping it as accurate as possible in certain games I just don't think your perception is THAT accurate.

CharDude
12-27-2010, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
Assassin's are assassin's in a historical context. You have to recreate that world.
So it is important to say this here.
I wouldn't like either if Lara Croft became Peter Croft, i dont play this game realy, but you can understand my point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Understood, but then your argument just becomes a "I wouldn't like that" sort of thing. If a woman is the main protagonist in ACIII, it would make sense according to the AC universe. Female assassin's are extremely prominent figures in AC. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CharDude2010:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
Assassin's are assassin's in a historical context. You have to recreate that world.
So it is important to say this here.
I wouldn't like either if Lara Croft became Peter Croft, i dont play this game realy, but you can understand my point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Understood, but then your argument just becomes a "I wouldn't like that" sort of thing. If a woman is the main protagonist in ACIII, it would make sense according to the AC universe. Female assassin's are extremely prominent figures in AC. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate a historical world i doesn't make sense. That is what im trying to say.
I have seen the statues and the stories in AC. But i think it has a reason that we haven't played with a female character yet.

assassinato_862
12-27-2010, 07:34 PM
Alright!
Seriously, Slaro stop. I agree with to an extent, I won't ID with the character either, but what are you gonna do? NOT play the game which has an excellent story JUST because the main Char. is a girl. I personally won't mind if the main character was female, as long as the PHYSICS of the jumping are in line... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I think you're being a little sexist, but I will grant you your opinion. Also, HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE STAR WARS!!!! Grrrrrrrr, you lost my sympathy.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
A woman was your gate way into the world Slaro and still you can't see their power?
I feel compelled to comment on this thread before you set the male/female mass relationship back a hundred years.

It's not Male ignorance you're displaying, just individual ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate a 17th century world for example, you can't put 21th century believes in it, it is simple like that, or were you one of that people that dont want that the enemy is called Taliban in MOH Tier1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand the point you are trying to make, history is history and should remain accurate for the game to be more credible.
What I don't understand is how you can ignore the fact that female assassins were VERY LIKELY active in that period. You are thinking battle fields and all out war but you are neglecting the role of courtesan for one, who were hugely involved in spying and information transfer in that time along with, female thieves and higher class Ladies involved in hostile takeovers through marriage etc.
The other point I need to make is that just because a history book (written by a male presumably) chose to either ignore or didn't know about the role of females in certain periods in no way means that it didn't happen. Books are words on paper, like yours and if we were to believe every single one of them, well, the World would be a very fanciful place. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, i agree, in these roles it's very believeble. As a lover, as a courtesan, and we can go on with this. But we will always see that these women are responsible to male characters. That they have chains and limits. That they can help in their roles, as a courtesan, as a servant, even the character of Caterina has her limits as a female person in that age.

You couldnt walk safe in the country or city alone without being watched or remembered. It would be even more hard to stay in the shadows.

They can be spies or murderers in their roles. They can do tasks.
But they have chains and limits.
The Male Character doesnt have these things hm.

CharDude
12-27-2010, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
If you recreate a historical world i doesn't make sense. That is what im trying to say.
I have seen the statues and the stories in AC. But i think it has a reason that we haven't played with a female character yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's a game. Did you ever play the first Assassin's Creed? I'm relating your argument to the AC universe, and according to the professor your historical textbooks (and generally everything you've been taught) aren't always right. A female protagonist IS believable because of this reason, and reasons I stated in my previous post.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by assassinato_862:
Alright!
Seriously, Slaro stop. I agree with to an extent, I won't ID with the character either, but what are you gonna do? NOT play the game which has an excellent story JUST because the main Char. is a girl. I personally won't mind if the main character was female, as long as the PHYSICS of the jumping are in line... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I think you're being a little sexist, but I will grant you your opinion. Also, HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE STAR WARS!!!! Grrrrrrrr, you lost my sympathy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, i hated it because a friend of my was obsessed with Star Wars and Star Trek and maybe even still is, haha so you could say i'm traumatized in some way :P :P.

I don't know if i will play the game.
Im so excited by this game, it's my most favourite game together with the Total War Series. But that i have my doubts must say enough for the developers. (COD FIFA)

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CharDude2010:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
If you recreate a historical world i doesn't make sense. That is what im trying to say.
I have seen the statues and the stories in AC. But i think it has a reason that we haven't played with a female character yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's a game. Did you ever play the first Assassin's Creed? I'm relating your argument to the AC universe, and according to the professor your historical textbooks (and generally everything you've been taught) aren't always right. A female protagonist IS believable because of this reason, and reasons I stated in my previous post. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With Altair you mean, yes i have, but i dont know what's your point.

CharDude
12-27-2010, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
With Altair you mean, yes i have, but i dont know what's your point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The point is the Assassin's Creed Assassins don't need to be historically correct, at all.

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
A woman was your gate way into the world Slaro and still you can't see their power?
I feel compelled to comment on this thread before you set the male/female mass relationship back a hundred years.

It's not Male ignorance you're displaying, just individual ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate a 17th century world for example, you can't put 21th century believes in it, it is simple like that, or were you one of that people that dont want that the enemy is called Taliban in MOH Tier1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand the point you are trying to make, history is history and should remain accurate for the game to be more credible.
What I don't understand is how you can ignore the fact that female assassins were VERY LIKELY active in that period. You are thinking battle fields and all out war but you are neglecting the role of courtesan for one, who were hugely involved in spying and information transfer in that time along with, female thieves and higher class Ladies involved in hostile takeovers through marriage etc.
The other point I need to make is that just because a history book (written by a male presumably) chose to either ignore or didn't know about the role of females in certain periods in no way means that it didn't happen. Books are words on paper, like yours and if we were to believe every single one of them, well, the World would be a very fanciful place. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, i agree, in these roles it's very believeble. As a lover, as a courtesan, and we can go on with this. But we will always see that these women are responsible to male characters. That they have chains and limits. That they can help in their roles, as a courtesan, as a servant, even the character of Caterina has her limits as a female person in that age.

You couldnt walk safe in the country or city alone without being watched or remembered. It would be even more hard to stay in the shadows.

They can be spies or murderers in their roles. They can do tasks.
But they have chains and limits.
The Male Character doesnt have these things hm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're arguing for historical accuracy in a game where the protagonist makes 300' dives into hay bales on a daily basis. Where one man slays hundreds of guards in an hour.
You're dismantling your own perspective when you start to cite the need for Historical Accuracy for the game to be credible.
So you're fine with Ezio basically being super human but not with a female assassin because it's just not realistic?

I rest my case.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CharDude2010:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
With Altair you mean, yes i have, but i dont know what's your point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The point is the Assassin's Creed Assassins don't need to be historically correct, at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In some contextes it has to be, this is one of them because of they way it's believeble, hm.
Now im going to bed, here on the continent it's like 3:46, so i wont respond i guess for a few hours on this topic.

slaro
12-27-2010, 07:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
A woman was your gate way into the world Slaro and still you can't see their power?
I feel compelled to comment on this thread before you set the male/female mass relationship back a hundred years.

It's not Male ignorance you're displaying, just individual ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate a 17th century world for example, you can't put 21th century believes in it, it is simple like that, or were you one of that people that dont want that the enemy is called Taliban in MOH Tier1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand the point you are trying to make, history is history and should remain accurate for the game to be more credible.
What I don't understand is how you can ignore the fact that female assassins were VERY LIKELY active in that period. You are thinking battle fields and all out war but you are neglecting the role of courtesan for one, who were hugely involved in spying and information transfer in that time along with, female thieves and higher class Ladies involved in hostile takeovers through marriage etc.
The other point I need to make is that just because a history book (written by a male presumably) chose to either ignore or didn't know about the role of females in certain periods in no way means that it didn't happen. Books are words on paper, like yours and if we were to believe every single one of them, well, the World would be a very fanciful place. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, i agree, in these roles it's very believeble. As a lover, as a courtesan, and we can go on with this. But we will always see that these women are responsible to male characters. That they have chains and limits. That they can help in their roles, as a courtesan, as a servant, even the character of Caterina has her limits as a female person in that age.

You couldnt walk safe in the country or city alone without being watched or remembered. It would be even more hard to stay in the shadows.

They can be spies or murderers in their roles. They can do tasks.
But they have chains and limits.
The Male Character doesnt have these things hm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're arguing for historical accuracy in a game where the protagonist makes 300' dives into hay bales on a daily basis. Where one man slays hundreds of guards in an hour.
You're dismantling your own perspective when you start to cite the need for Historical Accuracy for the game to be credible.
So you're fine with Ezio basically being super human but not with a female assassin because it's just not realistic?

I rest my case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, i am, like my Fifa Players, Call Of Duty Soldiers, or what ever is 100% accurate to our world. But there are some important points why i can believe im playing in that century, why i can identify myself with an important character and also shapes this game, two important points, maybe even the most important points with the story and the gameworld, why i play this game.

assassinato_862
12-27-2010, 07:55 PM
Oh wait, COMPLETEY DISREGARD MY EARLIER POST PLZ. Count it as a rant because I type it up without any thought whatsoever, after some thought I came to a very valid conclusion. (I just came out of the shower, I think better...)

Anyways, I realized slaro must've not hit puberty. You and I both know, slaro, when the game COMES (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif) out with a female assassin, you WILL LIKE HER. Ubisoft will make her one sexy bad*** mother****** and I swear to god you will look forward to playing with her everyday, all the time. Yes, this is strictly inapropiate, but it's probably what most guys subconsciously want. ALL the guys will be raving about this new assassin, SO UBISOFT PLEASE BUMP UP THE GRAPHICS.
Prepare to eat your words slaro...

sandmanssorrow
12-27-2010, 08:04 PM
^ Did you mention fine tuning the (bounce) physics or did I come up with that all on my own?

assassinato_862
12-27-2010, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
^ Did you mention fine tuning the (bounce) physics or did I come up with that all on my own? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I implied it in the aforementioned post in the post I just made...(if you could follow what I ment) But yes boncy physics would be nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SimDuff
12-27-2010, 08:47 PM
Let's not forget that they are playing with history and the female assassins are present in the game already. They are ahead of their time.

But in the end I can understand that you can't relate to a woman, which is understandable. I am a guy and I love female characters, I would love a female assassin, my multiplayer character is the courtesan, I will usually pick the female character before the male in almost all games. I think even though there's more guys playing games, that doesn't mean all of them don't relate to a female character.

Unfortunately when creating a protagonist, we can't please everyone unless weplace a choice of sex at the beginning, but this means extra work and I guess as long as the character has a good storyline and is believable everyone should be able to play as this character.

I relate to Ezio by both being men and I love his storyline, but I would rather control a female character.

Millhouse3rd
12-27-2010, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Recall please one succesfull female hero character. I cant call one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lara croft
Samus (metroid)
Alice (residen evil)
Storm
Buffy
Cat Woman
Elektra
Xena
Wonder Woman

there are plenty of female heroes in stuff.

as for women in history all we need say is the Amazons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also Jill Valentine, Aya Brea, Regina (Dino Crisis), Claire Redfield, Motoko Kusanagi.... and the list goes on.

ThaWhistle
12-27-2010, 09:23 PM
this thread is a history fail.

Scotty056
12-27-2010, 09:41 PM
I don't think being able to serve dinner would help with assassinations... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Joking.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind playing as a female assassin. In earlier times women would have more reason to rebel, with all the oppression and whatnot. It'd be nice to see all the killing from a different perspective.

Redfeather1975
12-27-2010, 09:50 PM
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Amunet
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Iltani

I'm sure there were more. And I'm sure they kicked butt.

LadyGahan2010
12-27-2010, 10:38 PM
@OP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They can be spies or murderers in their roles. They can do tasks.
But they have chains and limits.
The Male Character doesnt have these things hm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So... you are NOT sexist, but you're saying women are for "tasks" only. Pardon, but I am and never will be any male's slave and perform the tasks he tells me to do. That's not sexist what you said???
"Male" and "female"... shows.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you recreate a historical world i doesn't make sense. That is what im trying to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
/sarcasm/Right.../*sarcasm/ Females never shaped the world. Did you take any history classes yet? Or your education stopped before they were introduced? I cannot believe that there still are caves in this world where they misguide poor males about the importance of women in the history.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...Call Of Duty Soldiers, or what ever is 100% accurate to our world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Have you served in the Army? Just checking how much you know about that world to make such statements.

ThaWhistle
12-27-2010, 10:59 PM
fun fact regarding the renaissance, it was predominatly a male phenomena. acutally, just a rich male phenomena.

the lives of your average person did not change until around the 17th century. The only people who saw a real improvement in their quality of lives or any freedoms(despite being more of just philosophical ones than tangible ones) were the middle class and wealthy men. Hence, women during this time period pretty much had little noticable effect on the world. however, given this is a fictional game about people operating in the background of society. that doesnt matter worth a damn now does it?

Seth400321
12-27-2010, 11:09 PM
just saying , Desmond wouldnt be able to synch very well with a female, itd be a woma who thought in a mans voice, and imagine if she had a BF? and desmond had to be pounded by a guy....EWWW

ThaWhistle
12-27-2010, 11:15 PM
i doubt well see a female assassin for one reason.

desmond would need to get hot all of a sudden as the assassin in the animus always looks like desmond.

DeafAtheist
12-27-2010, 11:44 PM
1) Male game characters aren't necessarily more successful... there's just many more of them than female characters. Lara Croft is one of the most successful game characters ever.

2) You're joking right? There was quite a few historically significant women. Men tend to get more attention than women do but if you study history you'd be surprised just how many historically significant women there are...

Amelia Earhart
Cleopatra
Hypatia
Mata Hari
Clara Barton
Martha "Clamity" Jane Cannary
Elazbeth Cady Stanton
Harriet Tubman
Rosa Parks
Susan B Anthony
Joan of Arc
Anne Frank
Helen Keller
Eva Peron
Pocahontas

Shall I go on? I could probably list more historically significant women than you could list historically significant men. Now I realize that the majority of the women in that list were not from the Middle Ages so if that's specifically what you're looking for... historically significant women from the Middle Ages then here ya go... Click HERE (http://www.localhistories.org/womenmiddle.html) for some schoolin'

3) Actually gamers are about 70% male and 30% female and women would probably be more into gaming if there were more female characters to inspire them or that they could identify with. Then perhaps us male gamers would have more girlfriends that sit and play with us instead of nagging us to stop playing video games.

4) You sure? You certainly seem to be implying otherwise. Someone who wants fewer female game characters isn't advocating gender equality dude.

A female assassin might not be believable to you but you aren't the voice of every male gamer. I personally would welcome a female protagonist in an Assassin's Creed title. I think it would be an excellent idea.

You're really looking at a narrow view of women in history. There were women tried to pose as men in order to fight in the American civil war. Joan of Arc lead armies into battle and she fought on the front lines. History if full of courageous women who went against what was expected of them and accomplished things men only dreamed of. Perhaps you should put down your video game controller and pick up a history book dude.

I don't remember if I saw your unedited post here but this one still comes across as extremely sexist.

assassinato_862
12-27-2010, 11:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Actually gamers are about 70% male and 30% female and women would probably be more into gaming if there were more female characters to inspire them or that they could identify with. Then perhaps us male gamers would have more girlfriends that sit and play with us instead of nagging us to stop playing video games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
^THIS. ALL. THE. WAY.

What he said is equivalent to me saying:

There will be more "OLIVIA MUNN'S" to look at, and a better chances of actually meeting a a hot gamer girl. (Which I tell you, are few in numbers, fewer that are single, FEWEST that are still ight-tay.)

viken9191
12-28-2010, 12:03 AM
In response to your point;

It's a rumour not a fact. You're stressing yourself. As much as I want variety, the Devs gotta be jumping the shark if the next ancestor of Desmond is female.

1) Indeed they are more successful in the sense of popularity.

2) Within AC series history are written by the templars and multiple times AC series has altered our history facts. Example: William of Montferrat is 76 years old in real history when he met his demise but on AC 1 he seems to be around his early 40.

3) Have you only ever played the game where you can identify yourself? Do you identify yourself as Ezio when he jumps into a pile of hay? Do you identify yourself as a Scottish captain who's trying to stop nuclear EMP from attacking west coast?

4) That's cool man.

Well I can sort of see what your point is but when we play the game, we are following the fabricated alternate history albeit with some reality thrown into it created by the Devs. You know a female assassin who lived centuries ago ain't too far-fetched within the context of AC universe as in the case of AssBro, we can recruit female assassins right?

ThaWhistle
12-28-2010, 12:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DeafAtheist:
1) Shall I go on? I could probably list more historically significant women than you could list historically significant men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd love to see that list.

History is very male oriented until the 19th century, that is when the list of famous or otherwise notable women actually starts appearing. look at the list you gave. how many of those women are from before 1800? Even then, alot of famous women before then are somewhat of just honorable mentions. The fact of human history is that up until very recently, womens' part in soceity was rather small and even more obscure.

There are literally hundreds of male figures in history that would be instantly recognizable to both historians and generally well read people. Well known historically relevent women? Significantly smaller list. If it weren't for historical movies, even more of these females would be unknown, why? because they were just not in positions of notice.

this post seems to be getting close to being redundant. When you get down to it, until the 20th century, females were not represented in the actual ratio of men to women that are alive, prior to the 19th century, all you will find are exceptions to the rule. for every 1 noteworthy woman, there would be dozens of men.


but allow me to reiterate my position. given the fact that the assassin creed games are a work of fiction, and that you never play a real historical character, and you are always operating somewhat in the background of events. The gender doesn't matter one way or the other.

DeafAtheist
12-28-2010, 12:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DeafAtheist:
1) Shall I go on? I could probably list more historically significant women than you could list historically significant men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd love to see that list.

History is very male oriented until the 19th century, that is when the list of famous or otherwise notable women actually starts appearing. look at the list you gave. how many of those women are from before 1800? Even then, alot of famous women before then are somewhat of just honorable mentions. The fact of human history is that up until very recently, womens' part in soceity was rather small and even more obscure.

There are literally hundreds of male figures in history that would be instantly recognizable to both historians and generally well read people. Well known historically relevent women? Significantly smaller list. If it weren't for historical movies, even more of these females would be unknown, why? because they were just not in positions of notice.

this post seems to be getting close to being redundant. When you get down to it, until the 20th century, females were not represented in the actual ratio of men to women that are alive, prior to the 19th century, all you will find are exceptions to the rule. for every 1 noteworthy woman, there would be dozens of men.


but allow me to reiterate my position. given the fact that the assassin creed games are a work of fiction, and that you never play a real historical character, and you are always operating somewhat in the background of events. The gender doesn't matter one way or the other. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude I'm not denying the fact that there were more historically significant men than women. That's not the point I was making. The point is that there were many more historically significant women than the OP seems to give credit for and the fact that there is even just 1 Joan of Arc in history gives credibility to the fact that women can be warriors. I really need not point out 1000 women in order to give credibility to the idea of a single female warrior in history.

The OP seems to think that since female warriors of that time period were scares that makes one in a fictional video game set in the same period unbelievable and I say just having one such female warrior in that time period is enough to make it believable.

I wasn't saying that there were more historically significant women than men I was saying that I bet I could make a larger list of historically significant women than the OP could make of men because he seems to be sorely lacking in historical knowledge.

SlimeDynamiteD
12-28-2010, 12:25 AM
I don't really care about a male or female character, as long as they give them a good background, story, personality etc. I'm fine either way.

... that doesn't mean I go both ways!! I don't. Honestly.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 12:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SimDuff:


I am a guy and I love female characters, I would love a female assassin, my multiplayer character is the courtesan, I will usually pick the female character before the male in almost all games. I think even though there's more guys playing games, that doesn't mean all of them don't relate to a female character.

I relate to Ezio by both being men and I love his storyline, but I would rather control a female character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't go that far mate. The only reason playing a female multiplayer character isn't bad is because they all are so pleasing to look at.
I still prefer to play a male, the Doctor in particular because his identity is the most concealed and he's fairly tall of stature.

drizzit986
12-28-2010, 01:00 AM
1. I enjoy playing female and male characters. There are different experiences from the two oviously and being able to choose when I can is awesome and it adds to the replayability of the game.

2. A perfect solution that requires the least amount of work would be to add a new costume for the main character of a female assassin. They already have them made for the female assassins in the brotherhood. It would be wierd for the conversations but I would still use it. As a male, i rather play something I can enjoy looking at for hours. That means more to me then "being able to relate to it."

3. While keeping to the historical accuracy of the game and the role of woman in the game world, having a female main assassin for the character to play with is very believeable. Rosa in AC2 could of become a great assassin. I would of loved her to be a special unique recruit for Ezio. It wouldnt be the first time he saved her hehehe. When Ezio does the leap of faith to become a true assassin in AC2, you will notice there are both male and female assassins there. Any single one there has the potential to be amazing.

4. Is it logial to have a female character in the animus with desmond still doing it? I don't think so, but that does not make it impossible. If you recall when Desmond asks Rebecca about going into the animus she said that she was just a mercenary that fired a gun all day. Just by going off of the male dominated world, that would indicate that she would have to play a male character. That means that by going off of the games acnowledged view on male and female roles in history, it is perfectly possible for desmond to play a female character in the animus. With the search that needs to take place in the next game, it may be logical to do it, but like others have said it is not a fact.

harlekein
12-28-2010, 01:02 AM
Sorry, I'm not reading 5 pages of sexist banter, but I just want to say:

AC set during the witch hunts, female character: Epic win.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 01:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DeafAtheist:
1) Shall I go on? I could probably list more historically significant women than you could list historically significant men. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


History is very male oriented until the 19th century, that is when the list of famous or otherwise notable women actually starts appearing. look at the list you gave. how many of those women are from before 1800? Even then, alot of famous women before then are somewhat of just honorable mentions. The fact of human history is that up until very recently, womens' part in soceity was rather small and even more obscure.

There are literally hundreds of male figures in history that would be instantly recognizable to both historians and generally well read people. Well known historically relevent women? Significantly smaller list. If it weren't for historical movies, even more of these females would be unknown, why? because they were just not in positions of notice.

this post seems to be getting close to being redundant. When you get down to it, until the 20th century, females were not represented in the actual ratio of men to women that are alive, prior to the 19th century, all you will find are exceptions to the rule. for every 1 noteworthy woman, there would be dozens of men.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In reference to your statement about Women's role in society being relatively small and obscure; Their 'recorded' historical contribution to society may be small and obscure prior to whatever century but their 'actual' contribution to society is an entirely different matter altogether.
Patriarchal society has suppressed and eliminated record of such events to establish a team hold on power, much like Reps. v Dems. Women have held respected positions of power for 'centuries' in England (Templar Stronghold) in both Royal and Political houses and in earlier ages. Celtic warrior women went into battle with their men, their role, to verbally taunt and incite their males into battle frenzies while providing martial, medical and nutritional support as well. To assume these pivotal roles were any less responsible for success is short sighted.
Roman and Greek and pagan Religions were rife with Male and Female deities and each sex of these Gods had it's warrior representations. Where do you suppose these ideas of Warrior Goddesses came from, Mommy doing the laundry or a female warrior?
A female assassin may have gone about her work differently but she is no less plausible than her male counterpart and to assume that because our history books aren't overflowing with their heroine tales as much as they are with male heroics means anything more than the male ego controlled the book writing and editing is silly.

Yes, there were more men doing it than women, yes, females took on more matronly roles as the world progressed into and out of the middle ages but the existence of female warriors or assassins is as realistic as the existence of male assassins.

AND it doesn't need to be an ancestor of Desmond, Eve's descendant can be the protagonist and her ancestors memories should be accessible. Then give us all the existing skins and we can play as Raiden or Snake or Desmond or Ezio or Altair during replay OR let a male assassin recruit/elite accompany Eve's descendants ancestors during the memories, or Desmond piggy back somehow.

LordWolv
12-28-2010, 01:07 AM
I'd love to play as a hot lady assassin. Sorry, but I just would. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This thread is a history fail. I guess the reason why Ezio and Altair are men is because men are overall known as a more dangerous and unpredicable side. But, they could easily make AC3 about a female. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

lodylody
12-28-2010, 01:27 AM
"Lara croft
Samus (metroid)
Alice (residen evil)
Storm
Buffy
Cat Woman
Elektra
Xena
Wonder Woman"

Sorry man - but you got P'WNED!

You know, I'm a man but I strongly disagree that men are more successful. In fact, I think it's pretty ridiculous! MAYBE men might be better at chasing and stuff, but let's think for a second. Women are generally a lot better at those 'sneaking up behind you' tricks and stuff like that, which is also needed in assassination.

Also - I would just LOVE to play a female assassin, *mini-spoiler, maybe* like Rosa from AC2.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 02:21 AM
WHAT? Samus is female?! OUTRAGEOUS!

But seriously i haven't read so much BS as in the OP for a long time.

LordWolv
12-28-2010, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
WHAT? Samus is female?! OUTRAGEOUS!

But seriously i haven't read so much BS as in the OP for a long time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know, it's crazy. I played Metroid Prime for awhile, then when she took off her helmet I'm like 'OMG!'. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

kriegerdesgottes
12-28-2010, 02:33 AM
totally agree, I like how people are naming off lara croft and other female characters as if they were good characters and that it proves anything, i like how we all have to start with "i'm not sexist or anything" so people don't start crying. the fact is although females are of course equals they don't make good heroes, or video game protagonists. I made this comment before on ign and you would think I said something about punching babies. get over it people. female characters in games/tv are terrible.

LordWolv
12-28-2010, 02:45 AM
By the way, the thread is sexist. You can't claim a female would make a worse assassin than a man, you can see yourself that's sexist. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I use the courtesan in Multiplayer, even though I'm a guy. If I could choose one person from multiplayer to play on single player, I would choose the courtesan. She is so much more epic than Ezio when it comes to free running and assassinations.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 03:19 AM
Speaking of this thread being a history fail. I personally believe history is diverse enough to allow for a good female character. As for the female character being believable character while it may be difficulty for a male gamer to assume the role of a female character this is a fairly superficial perceptional problem and can be resolved fairly easily by good character design. Believable motivations, understandable internal struggles, etc...

And I do believe we have enough examples of female characters in the AC universe that get sh*t done. Just look at Claubia Auditore.

StarZtorm
12-28-2010, 06:45 AM
I love games with female characters.. In games like fallout 3/new vegas and other games where u get to choose female characters, ive always gone with a female.

Why?

Well because when your playing in third view, who wants to look at the backside of a male character all the time? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

No but seriously, a female assassin could be sexy as hell and i would actually be dissappointed if the series doesnt go there.

I look forward to it!

Ubisoft, you know what to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jill Valentine is an awesome character and I grew up playing as Lara!

I say that if ubisoft can make a female Assassin work, go for it! Personally, I find female assassins being less high profile but just as important. Most girls, except those with a rough upbrining, probably wouldn't get the chance to learn all the free running and combat skills, but I can see them being highly adept at espionage, disguise, poison, stealth etc.

I suppose Paola and Teodora are like that, at least in my mind. But, if you can make the story work (like with female recruits: I imagined them having to have fighting skills to survive and being taught basics by family members or something) then sure, I'm game!

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 07:01 AM
This thread needs to be locked its getting ridiculous. It really shows the truth of the world we live in.

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 07:03 AM
You can always tell a thread is full of outrage when it gets 6 pages overnight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

persiateddy95
12-28-2010, 07:09 AM
How come I've missed this thread?

Go, Flame War, Go!

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/bananaheadbanger.gif

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persiateddy95:
How come I've missed this thread?

Go, Flame War, Go!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How dare you, sir! Civil discourse is the way to go.

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 07:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by assassinato_862:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Actually gamers are about 70% male and 30% female and women would probably be more into gaming if there were more female characters to inspire them or that they could identify with. Then perhaps us male gamers would have more girlfriends that sit and play with us instead of nagging us to stop playing video games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
^THIS. ALL. THE. WAY.

What he said is equivalent to me saying:

There will be more "OLIVIA MUNN'S" to look at, and a better chances of actually meeting a a hot gamer girl. (Which I tell you, are few in numbers, fewer that are single, FEWEST that are still ight-tay.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol i'd like to think im an exception to this rule :P

People are normally shocked when i tell them i play video games &gt;/

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 07:20 AM
Wait a second! rocketxsurgeon, you are female?!

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 07:21 AM
My Girl Friend is almost as good at Call of Duty than me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Also post right above me made me chuckle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
When we say Lara Croft are we talking Game or Angelina Jolie?

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jill Valentine is an awesome character and I grew up playing as Lara!

I say that if ubisoft can make a female Assassin work, go for it! Personally, I find female assassins being less high profile but just as important. Most girls, except those with a rough upbrining, probably wouldn't get the chance to learn all the free running and combat skills, but I can see them being highly adept at espionage, disguise, poison, stealth etc.

I suppose Paola and Teodora are like that, at least in my mind. But, if you can make the story work (like with female recruits: I imagined them having to have fighting skills to survive and being taught basics by family members or something) then sure, I'm game! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should make a clan for females, that would kick ***. I look up to Lara Croft, a great role model for girls. And Jill Valentines an icon (:

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
Wait a second! rocketxsurgeon, you are female?! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am (:
I chose an ambiguous name, not like gangstagirl or anything like that.
Is it really not obvious i'm female?
I wouldn't have thought a male would chose this screen name, never mind put a x between the two words lol

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 07:25 AM
I had never played xbox before, and my ex invited me out with his friends, i owned them at COD.

They were shocked xD

persiateddy95
12-28-2010, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
Wait a second! rocketxsurgeon, you are female?! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is obvious...

Btw, rocket, you shouldn't double/triple-post, it's against the forum rules...

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
Is it really not obvious i'm female?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, i'm just being silly. It's quite obvious. While not from your screen name but from the stuff you wrote in this thread, like say..... stating that you are female xD

LordWolv
12-28-2010, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
Wait a second! rocketxsurgeon, you are female?! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Isn't it obvious? The pink and the courtesans kind of give it away, don't you think? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jill Valentine is an awesome character and I grew up playing as Lara!

I say that if ubisoft can make a female Assassin work, go for it! Personally, I find female assassins being less high profile but just as important. Most girls, except those with a rough upbrining, probably wouldn't get the chance to learn all the free running and combat skills, but I can see them being highly adept at espionage, disguise, poison, stealth etc.

I suppose Paola and Teodora are like that, at least in my mind. But, if you can make the story work (like with female recruits: I imagined them having to have fighting skills to survive and being taught basics by family members or something) then sure, I'm game! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should make a clan for females, that would kick ***. I look up to Lara Croft, a great role model for girls. And Jill Valentines an icon (: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Carlos: All the foxy ladies love my accent, it drives them crazy!

Jill: .......

That's enough, without the whole Nemesis thing!

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
the fact is although females are of course equals they don't make good heroes, or video game protagonists. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I'm almost 100% sure I would disagree with it I'd like to hear your elaboration on this statement. Simply stating something does not make a good argument :/

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persiateddy95:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
Wait a second! rocketxsurgeon, you are female?! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is obvious...

Btw, rocket, you shouldn't double/triple-post, it's against the forum rules... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, There were a lot of quotes and i didn't want to muddle them up.

MrKnox122
12-28-2010, 07:55 AM
My Pick is my Ultimate Hero Female Character is The Boss from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. A very strong female that helped her country and Naked Snake ((Big Boss)) save the world. She surfaces her life for the greater good by make herself look like a Bad Woman.

slaro
12-28-2010, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lodylody:
"Lara croft
Samus (metroid)
Alice (residen evil)
Storm
Buffy
Cat Woman
Elektra
Xena
Wonder Woman"

Sorry man - but you got P'WNED!

You know, I'm a man but I strongly disagree that men are more successful. In fact, I think it's pretty ridiculous! MAYBE men might be better at chasing and stuff, but let's think for a second. Women are generally a lot better at those 'sneaking up behind you' tricks and stuff like that, which is also needed in assassination.

Also - I would just LOVE to play a female assassin, *mini-spoiler, maybe* like Rosa from AC2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you blind mate?
None of these woman was realy succesfull except maybe Lara Croft indeed!

But no matter that.

Dont you see the similarities?
Dont you want to see it?

We are playing a contextual game.
In another world if you want to call it like that. All of these female characters are or in the present or in the future or in an other made-up world with different values.

We are, or better Ubisoft, is recreating an other world, that has excisted, we can't put our 21th believes in the believes of another century mate.

Besides that, i can't identify myself with a female character, Grizzly already stated it. It would be a weird experience if my character had sex with a dude.

slaro
12-28-2010, 08:30 AM
Reality is an important aspect of this game.
The female character can't gain that aspect in this context hm. There are some men that don't care to play with a female character. But i know a bunch of men, who can't identify themselves with a female character, who lose the reality aspect of this game, and realy will hesitate to buy the game. You destroy the story-line and the game of you shape a female character here.

SquarePolo27
12-28-2010, 08:32 AM
I don't see anything wrong with a female assassin. You could put a great story by her which would work really well.

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 08:37 AM
What's with all this "21th century" stuff? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If I must blow apart the whole "weird having sex with a dude thing" (which really isn't a reason), then I must...

I'm pretty sure it's genetic that (most http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) women seek out males. Therefore, if it's genetically right in the memory, Desmond would experience it as right. I'm sure Desmond experiences adrenaline when Ezio is running from guards or hiding, so why wouldn't Desmond experience an 'encounter' as the female assassin experienced it?

slaro
12-28-2010, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sticker704:
I don't see anything wrong with a female assassin. You could put a great story by her which would work really well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This game is strong because of the historical context. With a female character you will destroy the whole game
for me and for many other players here.

RipYourSpineOut
12-28-2010, 08:46 AM
Being a proper Assassin is not based on gender, it's based on skill. As long as the woman doesn't act like a complete tool and knows what she's doing, I'm all for a female Assassin. I don't know why you guys are so against it. Now, I'm not pro-male or pro-female. I'm not leaning towards any side, I'm just sayin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

-drops two cents-

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sticker704:
I don't see anything wrong with a female assassin. You could put a great story by her which would work really well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This game is strong because of the historical context. With a female character you will destroy the whole game
for me and for many other players here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Stop with the "Will" ok you don't now that for sure its your OPINION.
And I know of many people who like the idea.
It will not destroy historical context how do you know that all women were house wives and did the bidding of the husband?
Some of the most powerful people in history were female.
And our female could stand against adversity and save the world as we know it but from the shadows.
You sir know nothing.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
This game is strong because of the historical context. With a female character you will destroy the whole game
for me and for many other players here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then it must have really destroyed AC:B for you seeing female assassins ( recruits ) in general and seeing Claudia Auditore fending for herself.

slaro, Assassin's Creed is historical fiction. That means it takes a lot of things from history and uses them to tell a fictional story. fictional being the key word here.


As for your claim of not being able to identify with a female character. I have elaborated on that here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...051038009#6051038009 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/8841087009?r=6051038009#6051038009)

slaro
12-28-2010, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
This game is strong because of the historical context. With a female character you will destroy the whole game
for me and for many other players here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then it must have really destroyed AC:B for you seeing female assassins ( recruits ) in general and seeing Claudia Auditore fending for herself.

slaro, Assassin's Creed is historical fiction. That means it takes a lot of things from history and uses them to tell a fictional story. fictional being the key word here.


As for your claim of not being able to identify with a female character. I have elaborated on that here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...051038009#6051038009 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/8841087009?r=6051038009#6051038009) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you recreate Jeruzalem, Rome, the Rennaissance, and real historical persons, then iit's not 100% historical fiction.

Many people play this game because of the historical reality. Because if the storyline truly did happen, it would have happened, in that context in that way.

Female Assassins, yes i saw them on the statues e.a., aren't believeble, as long as i don't have to play with them, it's ok, but it's important to keep the history fanbase happy.
It's a big part op the apple here.

slaro
12-28-2010, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
Speaking of this thread being a history fail. I personally believe history is diverse enough to allow for a good female character. As for the female character being believable character while it may be difficulty for a male gamer to assume the role of a female character this is a fairly superficial perceptional problem and can be resolved fairly easily by good character design. Believable motivations, understandable internal struggles, etc...

And I do believe we have enough examples of female characters in the AC universe that get sh*t done. Just look at Claubia Auditore. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is not possible, it is not credible, im sorry but i dont made history.
You can't put your 21th century values in the context of that world.
Because we nowadays think that women indeed are equal doesn't mean that your grand-grand-grandfather in another century thought the same thing. Im sorry mate but it isn't credible.
Yes there were strong females. But they had their chains and limits.

If you want an example why it isn't possible i will give you one.

Females couldn't walk freely and alone in the country side and many parts of the cities.
They were recognized, they were remembered, it would be more and much more difficult to walk in the shadows. A strong female character can't be an assassin in this context because she would be recognized. For example when they would have made Yoda an assassin in this game.
He couldnt keep his secret or walk freely in the cities. A male character can do this, he isn't watched as much, as a female character.

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 09:05 AM
OMG give up Salro, unless you are 1000 years old then how do you know what women were up to bac then?
I bet you didn't know that it was a female that killed Alexander the II of Russia?
That Queen <STRIKE>Elizabeth II</STRIKE> Isabella hired a female assassin to kill The French king?
You seem to know very little and I think that you need to give up.

slaro
12-28-2010, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RipYourSpineOut:
Being a proper Assassin is not based on gender, it's based on skill. As long as the woman doesn't act like a complete tool and knows what she's doing, I'm all for a female Assassin. I don't know why you guys are so against it. Now, I'm not pro-male or pro-female. I'm not leaning towards any side, I'm just sayin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

-drops two cents- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has nothing to do with skill or equality in what we think. It has everything to do with credibility and reliability. You are totaly missing the point. Im sorry.

rocketxsurgeon
12-28-2010, 09:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RipYourSpineOut:
Being a proper Assassin is not based on gender, it's based on skill. As long as the woman doesn't act like a complete tool and knows what she's doing, I'm all for a female Assassin. I don't know why you guys are so against it. Now, I'm not pro-male or pro-female. I'm not leaning towards any side, I'm just sayin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

-drops two cents- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has nothing to do with skill or equality in what we think. It has everything to do with credibility and reliability. You are totaly missing the point. Im sorry. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think people here a missing the point YOU are. Look at the number of people opposing your thread. You are in the minority, and to everyone reading this, you are coming across very sexist.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 09:09 AM
What I meant by "female assassins ( recruits)" are your assassin recruits in brotherhood that eventually become full assassin's.

I'm not sure what you mean by play "with them" if you mean playing AS them ea. as the protagonist then that is what we are debating it here right now. If you mean them being an active part of the game then then that's what your recruits are including the female ones.

slaro
12-28-2010, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
OMG give up Salro, unless you are 1000 years old then how do you know what women were up to bac then?
I bet you didn't know that it was a female that killed Alexander the II of Russia?
That Queen Elizabeth II hired a female assassin to kill The French king?
You seem to know very little and I think that you need to give up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the assassin of Alexander II.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/I_Grinevizky.jpg

NOt realy a female i guess.


Besides that it is possible that a female would have killed someone in some character.
But an important and high-profile figure like these assassins can't be females.
A one-time-killer is possible.
Bit not someone who has to be multipolar.

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 09:19 AM
...Queen Elizabeth II hired someone to kill the French king? I'm pretty sure that would've been a scandal of the century. I'm also pretty sure that France don't have a king anymore...:s

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:


It is not possible, it is not credible, im sorry but i dont made history.
You can't put your 21th century values in the context of that world.
Because we nowadays think that women indeed are equal doesn't mean that your grand-grand-grandfather in another century thought the same thing. Im sorry mate but it isn't credible.
Yes there were strong females. But they had their chains and limits.

If you want an example why it isn't possible i will give you one.

Females couldn't walk freely and alone in the country side and many parts of the cities.
They were recognized, they were remembered, it would be more and much more difficult to walk in the shadows. A strong female character can't be an assassin in this context because she would be recognized. For example when they would have made Yoda an assassin in this game.
He couldnt keep his secret or walk freely in the cities. A male character can do this, he isn't watched as much, as a female character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not talking about believable characters in history but believable characters in the context of a fictional story like Assassin's Creed X : WhateverTheTitleWillBe.

SquarePolo27
12-28-2010, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sticker704:
I don't see anything wrong with a female assassin. You could put a great story by her which would work really well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This game is strong because of the historical context. With a female character you will destroy the whole game
for me and for many other players here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't see how that could "destroy" the game. I mean what's wrong with a female assassin?

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 09:21 AM
Thats funny as my history textbook says very much otherwise, "A group of five members of The RWMA lay traps along the road that he would travel through, after they failed he was shot twice to the chest my a " The Name will take to long for me to write and I would rather not waste my time with you sexist.

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
...Queen Elizabeth II hired someone to kill the French king? I'm pretty sure that would've been a scandal of the century. I'm also pretty sure that France don't have a king anymore...:s </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Lol i meant Isabella of Spain sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But the whole of the French autocracy was all ready killed before the Assassin arrived.

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 09:27 AM
Ah, that would explain it! lol

I've always liked the example of Anne Boleyn. She was headstrong, determined and also dared to argue King Henry and his closest advisors...

That's surely not something for a woman of that time to do, but she still did it. So what's to stop others doing similar? If anyone has heard of Lady Sun in China (any DW players know who I mean as well haha), she used to practice swordsmanship and made her handmaidens carry weapons, and this was in 2nd/3rd century China.

So, what's your opinion of Lia de Russo anyway?

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 09:46 AM
slaro, I also saw you referred to the quantity of "important" female figures in history in your opening post. I really can't see how this makes a playable female character in historical fiction impossible. More so it would make it much more interesting to explore such a character from a story telling point of view.

ZCherub
12-28-2010, 09:50 AM
I'm w/ you Slaro. I would only enjoy playing as a female in a game if the game were called "Super Barefoot & Pregnant Washing Dishes & Bringing Him a Beer". In fact, all the best games are played as male protagonists. Just look at the best game ever: "Super Spousal Abuse II: Don't Tell Her Twice"

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZCherub:
I'm w/ you Slaro. I would only enjoy playing as a female in a game if the game were called "Super Barefoot & Pregnant Washing Dishes & Bringing Him a Beer". In fact, all the best games are played as male protagonists. Just look at the best game ever: "Super Spousal Abuse II: Don't Tell Her Twice" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

God dammit! I can't stop laughing xD

Oh please do tell what flavour of sarcasm you use! Is it British? or maybe US? or maybe even the good old German sarcasm?

ZCherub
12-28-2010, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZCherub:
I'm w/ you Slaro. I would only enjoy playing as a female in a game if the game were called "Super Barefoot & Pregnant Washing Dishes & Bringing Him a Beer". In fact, all the best games are played as male protagonists. Just look at the best game ever: "Super Spousal Abuse II: Don't Tell Her Twice" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

God dammit! I can't stop laughing xD

Oh please do tell what flavour of sarcasm you use! Is it British? or maybe US? or maybe even the good old German sarcasm? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> American Brand Sarcasm - available at fine retailers everywhere.

SeniorPranksta
12-28-2010, 10:16 AM
I'm a woman, and I've been playing console games since the SEGA Genesis came out, to present PS3 days. I don't mind playing as a female protagonist and I also don't mind playing as a male protagonist. Although, I will say i do prefer playing as a male, here's why:

1. Most female protagonists are dressed in skimpy clothes, which makes me uncomfortable because I personally wouldn't dress that way and I personally think it objectifies women.
HOWEVER:
Now, this isn't a problem because Assassin's Creed doesn't dress their women like Lara Croft (thank God), so it's actually fun to play as a courtesan or a hellequin, or even a smuggler because they keep their junk in the trunk.

2. I like strong atheletic guys. Playing as one is eye candy for me, and it is also more believable when Ezio takes out 10+ men and throws them down to the ground like a beast. Now, if the assassin was female, it would be slightly comical to see her do the same moves as Ezio. In order for that to work, the game would have to rely more on stealth, since females can be a bit more 'graceful' and 'light on their feet' than their male counterpart. I just can't see a slim, stealthy, female assassin punching the lights out of 12 fully armored guys like WWE Smackdown (or w/e it's called).

3. Sound effects. Now, I don't know about you guys, but when sometimes in games when the main character is a female, every time someone hits her, or she gets injured, the developers find it necessary for her to emit this strange loud grunt 'UGH'. If you've ever played Aion (FYI I play assassin's creed on PS3) you know exactly what I am talking about. If an unsuspecting person were around the corner and a fight broke out, and you're playing as a female assassin, it would probably sound very sketchy to the person not in the room. It would go like this, "ugh, yaaa, aii, ugh, ah, mmph". I'm not saying that's how it would sound, but generally girls grunting or yelling in pain, in a video game, sounds a lot sketchier than a guy grunting or yelling in pain, in a video game.

As a side note, #3 wouldn't be a problem if the developers/voice actors do a good job, but it's always hit or miss with video games. Sometimes it sounds like the girl is fighting, and sometimes it sounds like the girl is uh, getting it on.

Now with all that said, I want to add 1 more thing. The developers did an ASTOUNDING job at creating the female templars in multiplayer. I actually prefer playing as the females in multiplayer, over the males. They're just so coordinated and graceful, there's just something about them that seems, too fluid, but I like it. Kudos to the developers for getting the female templar characters just right! I wouldn't mind playing a game with one of them being the protagonist.

slaro
12-28-2010, 10:22 AM
If AC3 turns out to be a woman.
Ubisoft will lose at least 40% of the fanbase.
When it stays a male character Ubisoft wil lose 0% of the fanbase. The female players dont realy care. They will destroy the story, the game, if they will make a female assassin.
They know it, you know it, we know it.

Im not here to bash women.
Im here to defend AC.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 10:28 AM
Hmm..... I see your points.

A small question on point #2:
It appears you perceive stealth and combat associated with the attributes agility and strength respectively. What would you say if the theoretical female assassin would utilise a more agility oriented fighting style? There are martial arts that use the force of the opponent to defeat him/her. The name escapes me at the moment.

ZCherub
12-28-2010, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
If AC3 turns out to be a woman.
Ubisoft will lose at least 40% of the fanbase.
When it stays a male character Ubisoft wil lose 0% of the fanbase. The female players dont realy care. They will destroy the story, the game, if they will make a female assassin.
They know it, you know it, we know it.

Im not here to bash women.
Im here to defend AC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Remember, kids: 94% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I don't totally disagree w/ you, slaro (although I do somewhat), but that being said, you sound like an idiot. Everything you post is 100% opinion, mostly misinformed, & you have ZERO hard data to back up any of these BS statistics you post here. Find some solid arguments, then come talk to me.

SeniorPranksta
12-28-2010, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
Hmm..... I see your points.

A small question on point #2:
It appears you perceive stealth and combat associated with the attributes agility and strength respectively. What would you say if the theoretical female assassin would utilise a more agility oriented fighting style? There are martial arts that use the force of the opponent to defeat him/her. The name escapes me at the moment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would work, however we don't want to venture too far away from what made Assassin's Creed great: the fighting style. It would be a neat idea to dabble in though.

OGCFB
12-28-2010, 10:31 AM
They would have to create a female that has the same scars as Desmond and looked slightly like Desmond which is why if they did Include a female assassin they should base it off Eve or modern Eve it would fit in better and keep male gameplay too...

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
If AC3 turns out to be a woman.
Ubisoft will lose at least 40% of the fanbase.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sound very sure...have you looked into the Apple?


Quak0r01 I will have to find you a youtube video I once saw where a woman spars against a man using snake style kung fu. I'm pretty sure he doesn't land a hit on her!

slaro
12-28-2010, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ZCherub:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
If AC3 turns out to be a woman.
Ubisoft will lose at least 40% of the fanbase.
When it stays a male character Ubisoft wil lose 0% of the fanbase. The female players dont realy care. They will destroy the story, the game, if they will make a female assassin.
They know it, you know it, we know it.

Im not here to bash women.
Im here to defend AC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Remember, kids: 94% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

I don't totally disagree w/ you, slaro (although I do somewhat), but that being said, you sound like an idiot. Everything you post is 100% opinion, mostly misinformed, & you have ZERO hard data to back up any of these BS statistics you post here. Find some solid arguments, then come talk to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's your opinion but some gamemagazines in my country made up a research to female gamehero's, including AC's, many people cant see a female character in this game.

Inorganic9_2
12-28-2010, 10:47 AM
As AltaÔr said, itís impossible to get an objective view of things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PhiIs1618033
12-28-2010, 10:58 AM
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...edits/2175-Diversity (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2175-Diversity)

All I have to say.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 11:00 AM
Again with the argument for credibility and realism Slaro, in a game where the hero makes 300' dives into hay bales and slays hundreds of men a day while climbing impossibly high buildings and making massive leaps over huge spans without ever stopping to catch his breath.

Your conversation is boring me to tears, you're repeating the same ideas even when presented with substantial evidence to the contrary.

AC will lose 40% of it's fan base??? The wild 'supposed' factual analysis you make is atrocious and based on no valid data at all. Its time for you to wake up now.

3 games with a male hero and he'll refuse to play 1 with a female lead? Selfish.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Inorganic9_2:
Quak0r01 I will have to find you a youtube video I once saw where a woman spars against a man using snake style kung fu. I'm pretty sure he doesn't land a hit on her! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Speaking of which, weren't there rumours of an AC game in an asian setting. Hand to hand combat & hidden blades :P

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Again with the argument for credibility and realism Slaro, in a game where the hero makes 300' dives into hay bales and slays hundreds of men a day while climbing impossibly high buildings and making massive leaps over huge spans without ever stopping to catch his breath.

Your conversation is boring me to tears, you're repeating the same ideas even when presented with substantial evidence to the contrary.

AC will lose 40% of it's fan base??? The wild 'supposed' factual analysis you make is atrocious and based on no valid data at all. Its time for you to wake up now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To many player, over 40%, just dont like the thing that they have to play with a female character in this context. You can't put 21th values in another century, learn history please, we can't change it i guess.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Again with the argument for credibility and realism Slaro, in a game where the hero makes 300' dives into hay bales and slays hundreds of men a day while climbing impossibly high buildings and making massive leaps over huge spans without ever stopping to catch his breath.

Your conversation is boring me to tears, you're repeating the same ideas even when presented with substantial evidence to the contrary.

AC will lose 40% of it's fan base??? The wild 'supposed' factual analysis you make is atrocious and based on no valid data at all. Its time for you to wake up now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To many player, over 40%, just dont like the thing that they have to play with a female character in this context. You can't put 21th values in another century, learn history please, we can't change it i guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It wouldn't be putting 21ST century values in another century, ITS A GAME that means FICTION. Learn reality please.
Its history? The SETTING is historical, the STORY is NOT.

And it wouldn't lose the 40% that matter. And what is that anyway, 40% of people that responded to a poll in a magazine in YOUR country alone? That doesn't equal 40% of the AC community my friend, not by a long shot.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhiIs1618033...:
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...edits/2175-Diversity (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2175-Diversity)

All I have to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aw man! it's too early for the nuke xD

slaro, Requiescat in pace

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Again with the argument for credibility and realism Slaro, in a game where the hero makes 300' dives into hay bales and slays hundreds of men a day while climbing impossibly high buildings and making massive leaps over huge spans without ever stopping to catch his breath.

Your conversation is boring me to tears, you're repeating the same ideas even when presented with substantial evidence to the contrary.

AC will lose 40% of it's fan base??? The wild 'supposed' factual analysis you make is atrocious and based on no valid data at all. Its time for you to wake up now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To many player, over 40%, just dont like the thing that they have to play with a female character in this context. You can't put 21th values in another century, learn history please, we can't change it i guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It wouldn't be putting 21ST century values in another century, ITS A GAME that means FICTION. Learn reality please.
Its history? The SETTING is historical, the STORY is NOT.

And it wouldn't lose the 40% that matter. And what is that anyway, 40% of people that responded to a poll in a magazine in YOUR country alone? That doesn't equal 40% of the AC community my friend, not by a long shot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Play Star Wars or Star Trek if you like just fictional. Its the historical context that give this game the power.

If this game, with the same story, would have played on Planer X001 in the 446th milkyway seen from the Nibulus Square, i wouldnt have played it pb haha.

Reign
12-28-2010, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wanted to add something about not being able to put female characters in a World War II game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...omen_in_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II)

While I understand the OP wouldn't identify as much with a female assassin as he would a male that's his choice. Not mine personally as I like new things in my games and think it would be interesting.

But to see him boast about his knowledge of history and to blatantly discredit women who obviously did the things he said they cannot to serve his own purposes is insulting to their memory at best.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Re1gn77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wanted to add something about not being able to put female characters in a World War II game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...omen_in_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II)

While I understand the OP wouldn't identify as much with a female assassin as he would a male that's his choice. Not mine personally as I like new things in my games and think it would be interesting.

But to see him boast about his knowledge of history and to blatantly discredit women who obviously did the things he said they cannot to serve his own purposes is insulting to their memory at best. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You realy know nothing about history.
If you deny that women were indeed chained by the male figures, then you are crazy sorry that i have to say it, i didnt made up that woman couldnt play the same part as males did.
Its historical fact otherwise femanism wouldnt be needy.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhiIs1618033...:
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...edits/2175-Diversity (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2175-Diversity)

All I have to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some little kid talking about Diversity.
Good for you mate.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhiIs1618033...:
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...edits/2175-Diversity (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2175-Diversity)

All I have to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some little kid talking about Diversity.
Good for you mate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously you either did not watch the video or unfortunately did not understand any of it. Sad really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhiIs1618033...:
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...edits/2175-Diversity (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2175-Diversity)

All I have to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some little kid talking about Diversity.
Good for you mate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously you either did not watch the video or unfortunately did not understand any of it. Sad really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Explain it to me.

Reign
12-28-2010, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Re1gn77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wanted to add something about not being able to put female characters in a World War II game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...omen_in_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II)

While I understand the OP wouldn't identify as much with a female assassin as he would a male that's his choice. Not mine personally as I like new things in my games and think it would be interesting.

But to see him boast about his knowledge of history and to blatantly discredit women who obviously did the things he said they cannot to serve his own purposes is insulting to their memory at best. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You realy know nothing about history.
If you deny that women were indeed chained by the male figures, then you are crazy sorry that i have to say it, i didnt made up that woman couldnt play the same part as males did.
Its historical fact otherwise femanism wouldnt be needy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not disputing the fact that women were held to different standards than men in previous centruies. I was merely pointing out that with your infinite knowledge of history you tend to omit any part that doesn't support your argument.

And when someone says anything to the contrary you either ignore them or try to insult them and sway the argument in another direction as with your comment above about the "chains. You completely ignored the point of my post which was simply to point out you weren't entriely correct in your blanket statement that a woman would not fit in a World War II game.

It's painfully apparent this will go no further than irrational arguments and one sided history lessons, I'm done here.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 11:38 AM
Slaro you must be really bored if all you have done with the last couple of days is post nonsense comments about females in a historically 'contextual' but inaccurate game. Its NOT history, it has historic elements.
Yes the buildings are real, yes some of the characters are real, NO Ezio was not real, his abilities are NOT real.
The only females with chains on them were in prison, other than that you are talking out of the part of your body that is supposed to be reserved for taking a dump.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 11:40 AM
That is what I'm actually afraid of. I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Xanatos2007
12-28-2010, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
1) The Male Gaming Character is much more succesfull then then the female character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not always.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But we can't change history I guess here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That ship has sailed, been looted by pirates, the crew died of scurvy, it got caught in a cyclone, drifted into the Bermuda Triangle, got swallowed by the Kraken and is now lying on the bottom of Davy Jones' locker.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had no trouble playing Mirror's Edge. And I haven't heard any complaints from females about not being able to identify with a male protagonist.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then what's the problem?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's important to emphasize that the Ubisoft Developers are trying to create a historical represantive gaming experience. They have to understand that the female character isn't believeble in that context. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of all the crazy stuff Ubi's done with the AC universe you had to draw the line at a female protagonist? As Shaun would say: "Ooh! Madness, isn't it?"
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One of that differences was the female role in history. Just compare them to that of the man. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ancient Spartan/Roman/Greek/Egyptian society had equal rights for both men & women.

I think it'd be interesting to play as a female Assassin, provided Ubi can go about it in a mature fashion (which I'm sure they can). It'd make for some interesting new combat mechanics as well; relying more on speed & agility rather than brute force.

And I'm not going to bother reading through the rest of this thread now because consciousness is boring me.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
That is what I'm actually afraid of. I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe they still are somehow.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Re1gn77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Re1gn77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
I'm a female player and there are many female heroes, in fact they are becoming more prominent.

Lara Croft
Jill Valentine
Samus

I found your post to be kinda sexist, even though you stated throughout that you weren't trying to be. Maybe because i'm reading it as a woman myself, who knows. Females may not as be as tough and strong as men, but some women demand respect, your speaking stereotypically and stereotyping doesn't happen much in video games.

So you never pick a female templar to play as in the multiplayer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never chose a female character because of identification. I want to identify myself with my character. I can't identify myself with a female character i'm sorry.
Look, ofcourse there were important woman in history and in games, no doubt.

But lets face it, if you want to create a game with some historical resemblence, then you can't grant to much power to a female character. Nowadays it will be more possible (like 70/30) but in that days it was more like (99/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what about me?
Maybe i can't identify with a male character?

There are many important women in history. But this game doesn't mirror history exactly, it tweaks things.

It has to appeal to the market now, and around 50% of gamers are women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't change history.
You can't put female soldiers in a Second World War Game For example.
You can't put female soldiers in a medieval game for example here.
You can't put a female in the rank of general in the army of Napoleon.
Almost 90% of the players of these games is male, not female, and this is a historical game. No matter what. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wanted to add something about not being able to put female characters in a World War II game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...omen_in_World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II)

While I understand the OP wouldn't identify as much with a female assassin as he would a male that's his choice. Not mine personally as I like new things in my games and think it would be interesting.

But to see him boast about his knowledge of history and to blatantly discredit women who obviously did the things he said they cannot to serve his own purposes is insulting to their memory at best. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You realy know nothing about history.
If you deny that women were indeed chained by the male figures, then you are crazy sorry that i have to say it, i didnt made up that woman couldnt play the same part as males did.
Its historical fact otherwise femanism wouldnt be needy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not disputing the fact that women were held to different standards than men in previous centruies. I was merely pointing out that with your infinite knowledge of history you tend to omit any part that doesn't support your argument.

And when someone says anything to the contrary you either ignore them or try to insult them and sway the argument in another direction as with your comment above about the "chains. You completely ignored the point of my post which was simply to point out you weren't entriely correct in your blanket statement that a woman would not fit in a World War II game.

It's painfully apparent this will go no further than irrational arguments and one sided history lessons, I'm done here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A woman wouldnt fit in a WWII-game. Please read something about the female soviet soldiers in comparison to the male soldiers. Please read something that doesnt start with 'wiki'.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
1) The Male Gaming Character is much more succesfull then then the female character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not always.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But we can't change history I guess here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That ship has sailed, been looted by pirates, the crew died of scurvy, it got caught in a cyclone, drifted into the Bermuda Triangle, got swallowed by the Kraken and is now lying on the bottom of Davy Jones' locker.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3) I loved to play with Altair or with Ezio. I could see myself ruining accross this roofs and killing the bad templars. But i can't identify myself with a female character. Thats important. Im pretty sure more then 90% of the players is male and can't identify hisself with a female character here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had no trouble playing Mirror's Edge. And I haven't heard any complaints from females about not being able to identify with a male protagonist.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">4) I understand that we are all equal, that there are male and female developers, and that we live in an emancipated era. I have nothing against female equalitiy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then what's the problem?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's important to emphasize that the Ubisoft Developers are trying to create a historical represantive gaming experience. They have to understand that the female character isn't believeble in that context. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of all the crazy stuff Ubi's done with the AC universe you had to draw the line at a female protagonist? As Shaun would say: "Ooh! Madness, isn't it?"
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One of that differences was the female role in history. Just compare them to that of the man. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ancient Spartan/Roman/Greek/Egyptian society had equal rights for both men & women.

I think it'd be interesting to play as a female Assassin, provided Ubi can go about it in a mature fashion (which I'm sure they can). It'd make for some interesting new combat mechanics as well; relying more on speed & agility rather than brute force.

And I'm not going to bother reading through the rest of this thread now because consciousness is boring me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, this game is succesfull because of the storyline in combination with the historical reality, the storyline can be fictive, the world can't be, a female character won't fit in that world. It would dissapoint to many players.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Slaro you must be really bored if all you have done with the last couple of days is post nonsense comments about females in a historically 'contextual' but inaccurate game. Its NOT history, it has historic elements.
Yes the buildings are real, yes some of the characters are real, NO Ezio was not real, his abilities are NOT real.
The only females with chains on them were in prison, other than that you are talking out of the part of your body that is supposed to be reserved for taking a dump. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Play Star Wars if you think the historical context is not important.
I dont think the Ubisoft Developers do their hard work for just another bad SF-story.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
That is what I'm actually afraid of. I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe they still are somehow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep... ladies and gents. There we have it.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
That is what I'm actually afraid of. I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe they still are somehow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep... ladies and gents. There we have it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In my country, The Netherlands, in the top of many enterprises just a few percent is female.
In the US Army female soldiers cant joint the submarine for example, many examples, just prove me wrong mate.

mark197205
12-28-2010, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> It would dissapoint to many players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In your opinion, but it would appear that many others here disagree with it, myself included. I play the game because the game itself interests me, the main character being male or female doesnt matter, at least to me.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark197205:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> It would dissapoint to many players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In your opinion, but it would appear that many others here disagree with it, myself included. I play the game because the game itself interests me, the main character being male or female doesnt matter, at least to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont deny your opinion for your group.
We have 100% now, 40% do care if the historical male character is male or female, the reality and credibility is important, a female character can't reach that.
The other 60% maybe dont care if it will be a male/female, but the other 40% is prepared, to not buy the game if it turns out to be a female. The 60% will buy the game no matter if it is a male or female.

Serrachio
12-28-2010, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Again with the argument for credibility and realism Slaro, in a game where the hero makes 300' dives into hay bales and slays hundreds of men a day while climbing impossibly high buildings and making massive leaps over huge spans without ever stopping to catch his breath.

Your conversation is boring me to tears, you're repeating the same ideas even when presented with substantial evidence to the contrary.

AC will lose 40% of it's fan base??? The wild 'supposed' factual analysis you make is atrocious and based on no valid data at all. Its time for you to wake up now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To many player, over 40%, just dont like the thing that they have to play with a female character in this context. You can't put 21th values in another century, learn history please, we can't change it i guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It wouldn't be putting 21ST century values in another century, ITS A GAME that means FICTION. Learn reality please.
Its history? The SETTING is historical, the STORY is NOT.

And it wouldn't lose the 40% that matter. And what is that anyway, 40% of people that responded to a poll in a magazine in YOUR country alone? That doesn't equal 40% of the AC community my friend, not by a long shot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Play Star Wars or Star Trek if you like just fictional. Its the historical context that give this game the power.

If this game, with the same story, would have played on Planer X001 in the 446th milkyway seen from the Nibulus Square, i wouldnt have played it pb haha. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Historical content might play a large role in Assassin's Creed, but I doubt it is ruled by it.

After all, last time I checked, Ezio Auditore da Firenze didn't even exist in history, and yet Ubisoft can create a character and make them seem like they did.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 11:57 AM
This is what I have written: "I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time"

Please look up what the word "literally" means.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
Again with the argument for credibility and realism Slaro, in a game where the hero makes 300' dives into hay bales and slays hundreds of men a day while climbing impossibly high buildings and making massive leaps over huge spans without ever stopping to catch his breath.

Your conversation is boring me to tears, you're repeating the same ideas even when presented with substantial evidence to the contrary.

AC will lose 40% of it's fan base??? The wild 'supposed' factual analysis you make is atrocious and based on no valid data at all. Its time for you to wake up now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To many player, over 40%, just dont like the thing that they have to play with a female character in this context. You can't put 21th values in another century, learn history please, we can't change it i guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It wouldn't be putting 21ST century values in another century, ITS A GAME that means FICTION. Learn reality please.
Its history? The SETTING is historical, the STORY is NOT.

And it wouldn't lose the 40% that matter. And what is that anyway, 40% of people that responded to a poll in a magazine in YOUR country alone? That doesn't equal 40% of the AC community my friend, not by a long shot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Play Star Wars or Star Trek if you like just fictional. Its the historical context that give this game the power.

If this game, with the same story, would have played on Planer X001 in the 446th milkyway seen from the Nibulus Square, i wouldnt have played it pb haha. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Historical content might play a large role in Assassin's Creed, but I doubt it is ruled by it.

After all, last time I checked, Ezio Auditore da Firenze didn't even exist in history, and yet Ubisoft can create a character and make them seem like they did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone made a topic yesterday, or a few days ago, that he actualy did excist just like his family. But that doesnt matter realy however its very interesting haha.

A female character will destroy the historical world we are playing in, thats a huge dissapointment, maybe even to big to deal with for Ubisoft.

slaro
12-28-2010, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
This is what I have written: "I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time"

Please look up what the word "literally" means. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sometimes they were literally in chains.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
This is what I have written: "I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time"

Please look up what the word "literally" means. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sometimes they were literally in chains. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes and a lot of your comments are LITERALLY stupid.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 12:02 PM
oh slaro, you are a never ending source of amusement.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
This is what I have written: "I fear he actually believes that women where literally in chains all the time"

Please look up what the word "literally" means. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sometimes they were literally in chains. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes and a lot of your comments are LITERALLY stupid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have a happy new year whatever the (**) your from lool.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
oh slaro, you are a never ending source of amusement. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just cant prove me wrong you piece of cornflakes haha.

mark197205
12-28-2010, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:

A female character will destroy the historical world we are playing in, thats a huge dissapointment, maybe even to big to deal with for Ubisoft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it wouldnt. Have you played AC2? Two of the seals Ezio needs to unlock Altair's armour were from the tombs of female assassins.
It might be a disappointment to YOU, but not to the vast majority of people.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
You just cant prove me wrong you piece of cornflakes haha. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please don't call me a piece of cornflakes. I'm at least a whole box.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark197205:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:

A female character will destroy the historical world we are playing in, thats a huge dissapointment, maybe even to big to deal with for Ubisoft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it wouldnt. Have you played AC2? Two of the seals Ezio needs to unlock Altair's armour were from the tombs of female assassins.
It might be a disappointment to YOU, but not to the vast majority of people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Making some seals and statues is easy, not to make a whole storyline, its almost impossible because it would be historically incorrect on places that have to be correct.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark197205:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:

A female character will destroy the historical world we are playing in, thats a huge dissapointment, maybe even to big to deal with for Ubisoft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it wouldnt. Have you played AC2? Two of the seals Ezio needs to unlock Altair's armour were from the tombs of female assassins.
It might be a disappointment to YOU, but not to the vast majority of people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you came in a bit late here mark, Slaro has his ears turned OFF and his mouth turned UP to max, your comments are not going to get through.

magesupermaster
12-28-2010, 12:08 PM
Over the day I was trying to avoid this thread, I didn't want to get caught in it.

slaro, you just can't except the fact that your sexist campaign is oppressed by many of the members here.

Maybe I haven't seen your original post before you edited it, but by reading your illiterate and sexist posts, I could not believe your ignorance and your constant fear of the truth.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
Over the day I was trying to avoid this thread, I didn't want to get caught in it.

slaro, you just can't except the fact that your sexist campaign is oppressed by many of the members here.

Maybe I haven't seen your original post before you edited it, but by reading your illiterate and sexist posts, I could not believe your ignorance and your constant fear of the truth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you know Aletta Jacobs.
She would have supported my claim.

LadyGahan2010
12-28-2010, 12:14 PM
Slaro, you're a troll whose main goal is to spark this type of discussion. Are you getting off of it?
Everyone else: check the other topic, similar. That person is not worth paying anymore attention. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Xanatos2007
12-28-2010, 12:15 PM
Before the whole female Assassin argument gets too futile may I just mention Amunet (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Amunet) and Itani (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Iltani) - two female Master Assassins in the AC universe - right up there with Altair.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LadyGahan2010:
Slaro, you're a troll whose main goal is to spark this type of discussion. Are you getting off of it?
Everyone else: check the other topic, similar. That person is not worth paying anymore attention. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which other topic, there is just one, im serious and not trolling.

Serrachio
12-28-2010, 12:18 PM
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmond came into the picture.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe.

Xanatos2007
12-28-2010, 12:21 PM
I would laugh so hard if Ubi had us playing a kunoichi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunoichi) during WW2 just to spite everyone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

magesupermaster
12-28-2010, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems.

Serrachio
12-28-2010, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Do you think I care?
No, I'll still play the game, even if 40% do go, but until then all theories are allowed.

Say all you want though, you have no solid grounds to deny the possibilty of a main female assassin character.

ChaosxNetwork
12-28-2010, 12:25 PM
I would love for some one to make a simple poll to stop this once and for all.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Do you think I care?
No, I'll still play the game, even if 40% do go, but until then all theories are allowed.

Say all you want though, you have no solid grounds to deny the possibilty of a main female assassin character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ubisoft cant lose 40% of the fanbase, no matter or you will stay play it, it could be the end of AC if they stay with a female character.
A big big mistake.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow.

magesupermaster
12-28-2010, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, so you got your ammo from a magazine.
Now, I would like to ask you a simple question; why?

Just why?

Eziosantos
12-28-2010, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dude,until we see this proof of Ubi losing 40% of their fanbase because of putting a female assassin in the game,your little "fact" is invalid to everyone.And before you respond saying that you never said it was a fact,just think on the definition of the word "will" and look at your previous posts.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You didn't honestly think I bothered to learn it did you?
And when I copied and pasted your words bablefish said the spelling was atrocious.

Whats your age bracket Slaro, I can forgive most of this if you're a teen.

Serrachio
12-28-2010, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Do you think I care?
No, I'll still play the game, even if 40% do go, but until then all theories are allowed.

Say all you want though, you have no solid grounds to deny the possibilty of a main female assassin character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ubisoft cant lose 40% of the fanbase, no matter or you will stay play it, it could be the end of AC if they stay with a female character.
A big big mistake. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If what you're saying is true, Ubisoft will still have 60% of their fans.

Even so, the 40% you're basing it on consists of 4 people out of 10, from one Dutch magazine. Last time I checked, there are millions of more fans than that.

And also, you don't have the judgement to decide for Ubisoft what they put into their games, so stop acting like you know what they should and shouldn't do.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You didn't honestly think I bothered to learn it did you?
And when I copied and pasted your words bablefish said the spelling was atrocious.

Whats your age bracket Slaro, I can forgive most of this if you're a teen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lool, people who think that Babelfish is accurate haha, lool lool.

fugazi787
12-28-2010, 12:33 PM
AC3. Feudal Japan. Geisha girl assassin. Deal with it.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Do you think I care?
No, I'll still play the game, even if 40% do go, but until then all theories are allowed.

Say all you want though, you have no solid grounds to deny the possibilty of a main female assassin character. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ubisoft cant lose 40% of the fanbase, no matter or you will stay play it, it could be the end of AC if they stay with a female character.
A big big mistake. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If what you're saying is true, Ubisoft will still have 60% of their fans.

Even so, the 40% you're basing it on consists of 4 people out of 10, from one Dutch magazine. Last time I checked, there are millions of more fans than that.

And also, you don't have the judgement to decide for Ubisoft what they put into their games, so stop acting like you know what they should and shouldn't do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you realy believe him with his 200 people?
Omfg!

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, so you got your ammo from a magazine.
Now, I would like to ask you a simple question; why?

Just why? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lara Croft cant become Peter Croft, i dont play this game, but you know what i mean.
The Assassins cant turn out to be part females, not credible, just 21th century equality and diversity crap.

Angeliuss79
12-28-2010, 12:35 PM
You are an idiot and probaly one of those boys who is raised to believe that a woman's place is barefoot, pregneant and in the kitchen. If you think that you post is not sexist, then you are just plain stupid.

To say that there have been no great leaders in history that were women just shows that most of what you are saying you are pulling out of that hole where your legs meet in the back. There were Queens, warriors, snipers and all kinds of women throughout history that have changed or left their mark on the world. I will not disagree that there have been more men then women who have been great in battle. Nobody can deny that, but to say that the women who have earned the right to be called great in history was only because of a man in the background shows ignorance at its finest. Please let me know what schools you went to so I make sure my kids never attended it.

I know alot of my guy friends run around playing as female characters. They laugh and have a great time doing it. I don't think they are worried about getting in touch with their feminine side while playing. I don't think that when they sit down to play a female character, they suddenly feel like they need to curl their hair and put on make-up just to get into character. It is a game.

I understand if you can't identify with women. But my point in all this is; to say that it is historically wrong to have women in a war that they both fought in and helped build the weapons and materials men fought with, is completely wrong and dumb.

sandmanssorrow
12-28-2010, 12:36 PM
[/QUOTE]

Do you realy believe him with his 200 people?
Omfg![/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't they, it's as technically accurate as anything you've posted over the last couple of days.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Angeliuss79:
You are an idiot and probaly one of those boys who is raised to believe that a woman's place is barefoot, pregneant and in the kitchen. If you think that you post is not sexist, then you are just plain stupid.

To say that there have been no great leaders in history that were women just shows that most of what you are saying you are pulling out of that hole where your legs meet in the back. There were Queens, warriors, snipers and all kinds of women throughout history that have changed or left their mark on the world. I will not disagree that there have been more men then women who have been great in battle. Nobody can deny that, but to say that the women who have earned the right to be called great in history was only because of a man in the background shows ignorance at its finest. Please let me know what schools you went to so I make sure my kids never attended it.

I know alot of my guy friends run around playing as female characters. They laugh and have a great time doing it. I don't think they are worried about getting in touch with their feminine side while playing. I don't think that when they sit down to play a female character, they suddenly feel like they need to curl their hair and put on make-up just to get into character. It is a game.

I understand if you can't identify with women. But my point in all this is; to say that it is historically wrong to have women in a war that they both fought in and helped build the weapons and materials men fought with, is completely wrong and dumb. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You cant put 21th values in a game that plays in for example the 17th or 18th or 19th or maybe even a big part of the 20th century.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
...just 21th century equality and diversity crap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oookay...... now this sounds borderline sexist/racist :/

magesupermaster
12-28-2010, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, so you got your ammo from a magazine.
Now, I would like to ask you a simple question; why?

Just why? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lara Croft cant become Peter Croft, i dont play this game, but you know what i mean.
The Assassins cant turn out to be part females, not credible, just 21th century equality and diversity crap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, I don't know what you mean.
Lara has like; 12 games now? They couldn't change her if they wanted to. She is rooted into the game itself.

On the other hand, the AC games don't try to focus on male assassins.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you realy believe him with his 200 people?
Omfg![/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't they, it's as technically accurate as anything you've posted over the last couple of days.[/QUOTE]

YOu know that im right, you just want to dominate your woman, and i just want a historical realistic game in some ways.
If you can't put anything normal anymore in this topic i will ignore you. Thnx.

Serrachio
12-28-2010, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Angeliuss79:
You are an idiot and probaly one of those boys who is raised to believe that a woman's place is barefoot, pregneant and in the kitchen. If you think that you post is not sexist, then you are just plain stupid.

To say that there have been no great leaders in history that were women just shows that most of what you are saying you are pulling out of that hole where your legs meet in the back. There were Queens, warriors, snipers and all kinds of women throughout history that have changed or left their mark on the world. I will not disagree that there have been more men then women who have been great in battle. Nobody can deny that, but to say that the women who have earned the right to be called great in history was only because of a man in the background shows ignorance at its finest. Please let me know what schools you went to so I make sure my kids never attended it.

I know alot of my guy friends run around playing as female characters. They laugh and have a great time doing it. I don't think they are worried about getting in touch with their feminine side while playing. I don't think that when they sit down to play a female character, they suddenly feel like they need to curl their hair and put on make-up just to get into character. It is a game.

I understand if you can't identify with women. But my point in all this is; to say that it is historically wrong to have women in a war that they both fought in and helped build the weapons and materials men fought with, is completely wrong and dumb. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You cant put 21th values in a game that plays in for example the 17th or 18th or 19th or maybe even a big part of the 20th century. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Ubisoft already has, and will continue to, so your little point is wrong.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, so you got your ammo from a magazine.
Now, I would like to ask you a simple question; why?

Just why? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lara Croft cant become Peter Croft, i dont play this game, but you know what i mean.
The Assassins cant turn out to be part females, not credible, just 21th century equality and diversity crap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, I don't know what you mean.
Lara has like; 12 games now? They couldn't change her if they wanted to. She is rooted into the game itself.

On the other hand, the AC games don't try to focus on male assassins. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think that they didnt start with a female assassin? The Male Character is just much more accurate, realistic, identifiable, and credible, here! They are focussing on the male character. And they are making the female fans happy with some statues of legendary female assassins and some women that help Ezzio for example. But Ubisoft wont create a female character because of the complexity of that part. Im just emphasizing that they are right.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Angeliuss79:
You are an idiot and probaly one of those boys who is raised to believe that a woman's place is barefoot, pregneant and in the kitchen. If you think that you post is not sexist, then you are just plain stupid.

To say that there have been no great leaders in history that were women just shows that most of what you are saying you are pulling out of that hole where your legs meet in the back. There were Queens, warriors, snipers and all kinds of women throughout history that have changed or left their mark on the world. I will not disagree that there have been more men then women who have been great in battle. Nobody can deny that, but to say that the women who have earned the right to be called great in history was only because of a man in the background shows ignorance at its finest. Please let me know what schools you went to so I make sure my kids never attended it.

I know alot of my guy friends run around playing as female characters. They laugh and have a great time doing it. I don't think they are worried about getting in touch with their feminine side while playing. I don't think that when they sit down to play a female character, they suddenly feel like they need to curl their hair and put on make-up just to get into character. It is a game.

I understand if you can't identify with women. But my point in all this is; to say that it is historically wrong to have women in a war that they both fought in and helped build the weapons and materials men fought with, is completely wrong and dumb. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You cant put 21th values in a game that plays in for example the 17th or 18th or 19th or maybe even a big part of the 20th century. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Ubisoft already has, and will continue to, so your little point is wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some things you cant avoid but aren't realy important. This is too important to ignore.

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Quak0r01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
...just 21th century equality and diversity crap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oookay...... now this sounds borderline sexist/racist :/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In combination it isnt.
Just cutting a part of it, yes, then it does seem sexist
and racist.

lodylody
12-28-2010, 12:44 PM
So what you're saying is men are better at running?
Men are better at everything?
WOMEN are JUST as good as men. I think everyone will find it interesting and exciting to play as a female character as opposed to a male one.

Apart from you, of course. And 4 people from a survey in a Dutch magazine. And possibly, JUST possibly, one or two more.

magesupermaster
12-28-2010, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sandmanssorrow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serrachio:
Slaro, I, and most of the people on this forum think a female assassin character is believable, it's just your own personal thoughts and as much history babble you can think up that you're trying to use to justify yourself, to little effect.

If you don't like it, tough.

If this happens to be true, don't buy the game, but for now, no-one cares what you think.

I personally don't think that AC3 will feature a female historical protagonist figure, but who's to stop there from being a spin-off game with one in.

For all we know, Lucy is still alive and could be in a coma at the Assassin's HQ hospital ward, on a specially designed Animus hospital bed, reliving ancestors memories while she recovers and builds on her already existing Assassin skills.

Then when she wakes up, she could go hunt down Desmond for stabbing her, or help him find Eve's descendant and Eden.

We might learn more about Lucy's backstory as an assassin, her time at university and early life at Abstergo and the relations she has with Rebecca, and to some degree Shaun, before Desmod came into the picture. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
Nooooooo, it 40% of the AC Fanbase just flying away, boeoe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow. You really think 40% of the AC fanbase are really as sexist and narrow-minded as you?
You've got some serious problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, he read in an obscure Dutch magazine that has about 200 readers that 40% of them would leave if a female was the lead in an AC game, that's 40% of the 10 people that took the poll. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you truly just put my words in the babelfish translation, they realy upgraded that tool
woow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, so you got your ammo from a magazine.
Now, I would like to ask you a simple question; why?

Just why? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lara Croft cant become Peter Croft, i dont play this game, but you know what i mean.
The Assassins cant turn out to be part females, not credible, just 21th century equality and diversity crap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, I don't know what you mean.
Lara has like; 12 games now? They couldn't change her if they wanted to. She is rooted into the game itself.

On the other hand, the AC games don't try to focus on male assassins. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think that they didnt start with a female assassin? The Male Character is just much more accurate, realistic, identifiable, and credible, here! They are focussing on the male character. And they are making the female fans happy with some statues of legendary female assassins and some women that help Ezzio for example. But Ubisoft wont create a female character because of the complexity of that part. Im just emphasizing that they are right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Stop spelling his name with two z's!!!

slaro
12-28-2010, 12:45 PM
It isn't sexist or racist.
Official statement: I made my point very clear.
Im not posting today anymore in this topic and my views, just like 40% of the fanbase (at least here loool) is also very clear, do with it what you like, im just hoping Ubisoft is listening hm.

Quak0r01
12-28-2010, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
In combination it isnt.
Just cutting a part of it, yes, then it does seem sexist
and racist. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But this is what you wrote. I quoted the relevant part but did not change anything in the part I quoted.

wow....just wow. shows your actual attitude. Not cool dude.

magesupermaster
12-28-2010, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
It isn't sexist or racist.
Official statement: I made my point very clear.
Im not posting today anymore in this topic and my views, just like 40% of the fanbase (at least here loool) is also very clear, do with it what you like, im just hoping Ubisoft is listening hm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1)Yes it is.
2)No, your point is irelevant, illiterate and sexist.
3)Finally!

Serrachio
12-28-2010, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slaro:
It isn't sexist or racist.
Official statement: I made my point very clear.
Im not posting today anymore in this topic and my views, just like 40% of the fanbase (at least here loool) is also very clear, do with it what you like, im just hoping Ubisoft is listening hm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if they are, the way you conducted yourself dash any hopes of them making it your way.

Want a historical fiction game made to how you want it?

Make one yourself then.

persiateddy95
12-28-2010, 12:49 PM
Whoah, when I left this thread was at page 7. Good work, people.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persiateddy95:
How come I've missed this thread?

Go, Flame War, Go!

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/bananaheadbanger.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>