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Motion-Mx
10-19-2008, 08:12 AM
Hi,


I've just got into IL2,I have 1946 patched to the new beta patch and just started an RAF career,done 2 missions so far and got myself 3 kills! anyway,

I was looking for some tutorials on how to use all the gauges in the Hurricane,I imagine in later missions they will upgrade me to the spitfire?

And once I can use all the gauges I would like some help with how to go about taking planes down,I have seen a few tutorials and help documents but,which is the best and easiest to understand?

Regards,Ben

Motion-Mx
10-19-2008, 08:12 AM
Hi,


I've just got into IL2,I have 1946 patched to the new beta patch and just started an RAF career,done 2 missions so far and got myself 3 kills! anyway,

I was looking for some tutorials on how to use all the gauges in the Hurricane,I imagine in later missions they will upgrade me to the spitfire?

And once I can use all the gauges I would like some help with how to go about taking planes down,I have seen a few tutorials and help documents but,which is the best and easiest to understand?

Regards,Ben

DuxCorvan
10-19-2008, 08:18 AM
Heard the lil' bell, Clarence. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
http://boingboing.net/images/its-a-wonderful-life-title.jpg

general_kalle
10-19-2008, 09:11 AM
do following:

open start menu.
find Ubisoft/Il2/Aircraft guide/dubbleclick the Hurricane/read read read.

Swivet
10-19-2008, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Heard the lil' bell, Clarence. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
http://boingboing.net/images/its-a-wonderful-life-title.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif ROTF Dux

Motion-Mx
10-20-2008, 07:01 PM
I just realized that I can use my steering wheel pedals as rudder pedals,I did a quick fly to test everything worked and I realized I never even use rudder,apart from on take off to keep straight,what is rudder used for?

WTE_Galway
10-20-2008, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Motion-Mx:
I just realized that I can use my steering wheel pedals as rudder pedals,I did a quick fly to test everything worked and I realized I never even use rudder,apart from on take off to keep straight,what is rudder used for? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmmm ...

just a few minor things


... a good turn should always start with some rudder, the plane will bank faster with rudder than aileron
... picking up a dropped wing on takeoff because opposite stick at low speed makes the problem worse
... avoiding spins when turning hard with judicious opposite rudder (same logic as above)
... recovering from said spins when you are too ham-fisted to avoid them
... centering the slip needle or ball when shooting as without rudder to centre your gunsight will be out by as much as a plane width or more
... centering the slip needle or ball for co-ordinated flight to get maximum spped and minimum fuel consumption
... "shooting with tracer" once you are getting hits on a target use the rudder to target specific vulnerable spots. For example if your tracer and hit flashes indicate you are hitting the left wing tip of a bomber kick in some right rudder to get the engine instead
... doing wingovers
... doing hammerheads
... doing all sorts of evasive manouvers with someone on your six
... deliberately flying unco-ordinated to throw off deflection shooting
... slip to wash off speed if you are landing too fast
... slip to see where the hell the carrier is on landing
... crosswing landings (not a big issue in IL2 except thunderstorm)



hmm .. I am sure I have forgotten some important ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Motion-Mx
10-21-2008, 08:54 AM
I take your point,

I will try and use more rudder when needed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Swivet
10-21-2008, 09:10 AM
Hi ya MX,
and welcome to the community..Sorry for my outburst above..That pic Dux left is from an old movie i happen to love,,,It just got my funnybone when i saw it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Well when you ask questions like "what is rudder used for"...Then we have a long road ahead of us now dont we http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Trust me that road ahead is a blast and you'll soon be addicted to this sim...I would suggest tho going to the sticky thread of this forum "A Nuggets Guide to Getting off the Gtound (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9121094645)"
It is a long read, but you just take your time and pick thru whatever you need..It's very imformative. As far as a tutorial, there is a Aircraft Guide.PDF file within the games dvd or on your hardrive where you got the game installed. Do some googling around online. Here's a start (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=316) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif.Theres much info out there......GoodLuck!!

M_Gunz
10-21-2008, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Motion-Mx:
I take your point,

I will try and use more rudder when needed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's an instrument on the panel that most of the time shows you just how much rudder you need
to use, it's not just a willy nilly as you feel might be good thing. The times it won't are
when you are in negative G's or like very slow and level and near control reversal and then
you rudder to keep the wings level since the ball won't move fast enough to keep up.

Motion-Mx
10-21-2008, 02:16 PM
Haha don't worry about it Swiv,

I mean obviously I know what the rudder is...I just don't know how to apply it to my flying,especially when I 'seem' to be flying fine without it.

I took a look at the reference guide,but what I meant what how the hell I use the air speed indicator,it makes no sense to me?

I just got a great DVD called Century of Warfare with heaps of on board footage from WWII fighters! so I'm off to learn a trick or two!

Thanks,Ben

Motion-Mx
10-21-2008, 09:06 PM
Hey...again...


OK just flew my 4th mission in my career,We escorted some bombers on a run,I came accross a fighter,no idea what it was i think the tag was something 'KI' ? anyway...every fighter come up against it seems my hurricane is far inadequate,cant turn better than him,or have more power than him,He eventually headed off into the sunset,so I chased him closing in slowly untill 500 meters where he turned and left me standing,pulling away at a rapid rate!


What am I supposed to do?

Thanks

M_Gunz
10-21-2008, 09:40 PM
Which Hurri? Which KI?

Get a copy of IL2Compare and check out the planes in the mission vs each other.
See if you can match the level speeds at power and alts shown in IL2C, TAS is not IAS though!

Keep the ball centered and the nose --- not high.
Learn about radiator flaps and maybe WEP.
Check out the Nugget's Guide thread.

WTE_Galway
10-21-2008, 10:54 PM
Singapore ????

If so its likely Ki43 versus 1938 Hurri.

Its been a while but from memory the ki43 outperforms the Hurri but has crap guns and armor.

Somebody that flies the PTO more regularly might be able to confirm or contradict that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Billy_DeLyon
10-22-2008, 12:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Motion-Mx:
Hey...again...


OK just flew my 4th mission in my career,We escorted some bombers on a run,I came accross a fighter,no idea what it was i think the tag was something 'KI' ? anyway...every fighter come up against it seems my hurricane is far inadequate,cant turn better than him,or have more power than him,He eventually headed off into the sunset,so I chased him closing in slowly untill 500 meters where he turned and left me standing,pulling away at a rapid rate!


What am I supposed to do?

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Hurri is a good plane to learn to fly in, but as a fighter it's often overmatched. If you stick with it, though, you'll learn some good lessons, moreso than if you start off in a more superior fighter. It will force you to learn some good habits. To be successful in an inferior fighter, you must maintain a higher level of situational awareness (SA) and anticipate the enemies' moves. Your chance for success will only come when you can think ahead tactically and get yourself into a position of advantage, ie higher and faster than your opponent. And once engaged, you must think at every turn about keeping that speed/altitude advantage. Make him turn hard and maneuver wildly while you stay smooth and fast. In case of Hurri vs. Ki-43, you want to make fast diving attacks, forcing him to turn to evade, then rather than following his turns continue your dive way beyond his range, climbing and turning to set up another attack only when you are a long distance away, like 5+km.

Of course, this will only work if you have the initial advantage in the engagement. That's why SA is so important: as soon as the enemy is sighted, you must begin working hard to gain a position of advantage.

It's this mind game (especially online vs. humans, imho) that makes this sim so addictive to many of us. Have fun!

M_Gunz
10-22-2008, 07:53 AM
The Hurricane-I we have only has better speed and climb than the slower Ki's just looking
at IL2C. That's enough to use AVG tactics with if you'd use them all including restrictions.
Don't even try to turn with them at any speed though, you will lose.

Motion-Mx
10-29-2008, 03:11 PM
I have just flown online,and I got demolished...understandably of course...

what can I do to stand a chance at blowing others out of the sky? I think looking around using a hat switch is a big disadvantage but,anything else?

Ben

Divine-Wind
10-29-2008, 03:35 PM
PRACTICE. That's the one thing I can say without looking stupid. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Online play (And offline) takes a lot of practice. Except to get demolished a LOT. When it happens, S! your opponent and ask for tips. The best I myself can come up with are know your aircraft's strengths, and its weaknesses. I love the P-40, so I used to take it up all the time; It excelled at diving, and had the ubiquitous 6 gun loadout. However, it's outclassed by most planes you'll see online, so it kept me on my toes. (And the runway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) However-however, it's great in early to some mid-war scenarios, at least when I fly it. I know there are some out there that can do incredible things with it. How did they get good with it? Practice.

To be honest I almost dread going online again, as I've gone for so long without flying my skills are terribly rusty.

M_Gunz
10-29-2008, 03:46 PM
You can look for a noob server.