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Xaand
11-16-2006, 07:06 AM
Hi ive just got IL2 Forgotten Battles and downloaded the latest patch

as a noob i fly in the easy mode, with the exception of i like to take off myself.

But, the landing gears will never go down !

and my plane seems to fly much slower than the auto-pilot flys any hints and tips ?


thanks

Xaand
11-16-2006, 07:06 AM
Hi ive just got IL2 Forgotten Battles and downloaded the latest patch

as a noob i fly in the easy mode, with the exception of i like to take off myself.

But, the landing gears will never go down !

and my plane seems to fly much slower than the auto-pilot flys any hints and tips ?


thanks

Deadmeat313
11-16-2006, 07:19 AM
Welcome to the game sir! I'm sure the nice chaps on here will be able to sort you out in no time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gear not raising and lowering? What aircraft are you having this trouble in? I suspect its probably one of those with Manual gear. You need to map a key to raise and lower the wheels on these aircraft.

The only aircraft with manual gear I can think of right now is the Polikarpov I-16. Oh, and the Martlet.

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AWL_Spinner
11-16-2006, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But, the landing gears will never go down ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SOME aircraft (things like the I-16) have manual landing gear you have to crank up and down. You need to map keys for this in the control configuration screens (I have mine mapped to "D" for up and "C" for down, for instance).

When cranking you have to keep tapping the key until your gear is all the way up, or all the way down (you'll get a message when this is the case and the gear indicator lights will change).

Most aircraft have hydraulic gear though, that should be raised and lowered with a single press of the "G" key, unless you have this mapped to something else or some other application has bound it (like Teamspeak).

Check your key bindings in IL2! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regarding the AI (if that's what you're referring to), they can sometimes outperform human-piloted aircraft in terms of climb and cruise when flying offline.

This is in compensation for them having little computer brains and being frequently owned in combat by us humans.

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Xaand
11-16-2006, 07:33 AM
Hello to you both and thanks for the quick replies they answered both my questions

but now one more, my plane (it is the I-16) at 100% sometimes climbs as im flying level, other times when i assume i havent been hit and im flying level it slowly drops to the ground and i have to bail out. Should i up the engine to 110% ?

FlatSpinMan
11-16-2006, 07:53 AM
Hi and welcome to the sim. It's great fun.

Your latest post sounds like you have some "trim" issues. You need to go into the controls section and assign keys for positve and negative trim, rudder trim and the other one - ailerons???. Someone who actually knows what they're talking about will hopefully be along shortly to correct me but as you gain altitude, and speed up/slow down the attitude of the aircraft will change. For instance, many planes will start to nose up when travelling at high speeds. Similarly, at very low speeds many planes will lean noticeably to one side. "Trim" allows you to compensate for this (to some degree) so that when the aircraft is trimmed correctly (remember, this is only for a given set of parameters - ie certain airspeed etc) it will fly straight and level with your hands off the stick. In practice I find the 109E very hard to trim so that I can take my hands off the stick but many other planes are doable.

When you start to use trim you can increase your speed as the aircraft presents a more aerodynamic face to the airflow. This will help with catching up to your AI wingmen.

To use trim, repeatedly tap the keys you have assigned and notice the very subtle differences in the aircraft's attitude - up, down, to the left or right or a combination of some of these. It may take quite a lot of pushes of the key or slider to see significant change.

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Deadmeat313
11-16-2006, 09:04 AM
Is the engine cutting out? You have to be careful with the I-16 as it doesn't have fuel injection, so if you apply too much negative G-force (ie go into a dive too sharply) the engine will sputter and may die.

You can try to re-start the engine (by hitting [I]) but it doesn't always want to fire up again and I've crashlanded a couple of times in the past.

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Flying_Mex
11-16-2006, 09:05 AM
As flatspinman said, you may want to play around with the trim of your aircraft. I simply wanted to add two things to his post however.

1. Most aircrafts have a ball and a bank indicator. What this is is a little black ball that is on a semi-circular container, with 2 lines in the middle. What you want to do is have the ball centered, this will mean that the rudder is trimmed to fly straight. After that is done, in the same indicator, you will see an arrow going up. This is your bank indicator, if that arrow is to the left or right, you need to adjust the aelerons to be straight and leveled.

Finally, some planes also have a vertical indicator. This is a gauge that on the left side says 0, and it goes by 5 degrees (?) both up and down. An arrow points to the numbers. After getting the rudder and aelerons trimmed, you will want to trim the plane so that the arrow is pointing to 0. If it is pointing above, it means you are climbing, and if it points below, it means you are descending.

2. Some planes are easier to trim than others, and for practice I would suggest trying the P-40E, to me it seems to be very stable and does not need too much imput. Finally, some planes have some automatic trimming. The 109 for example, will automatically trim the rudder and aelerons. You only have control over the elevator trim (up and down), and as such can take longer to trim, as you have to hold throtle at same setting and hold nice and level flight while it trims the rudder, and then you may trim the elevator.

This probably sounded very confusing, and I apologice. Hopefully someone can come around that can explain it better.

Good luck, and hope you have fun with the game!

general_kalle
11-16-2006, 09:13 AM
you should check out "the stikies" on this forum.
the stikies is the ones with a red<span class="ev_code_RED">!</span>

especially the one called IL-2: Important links (Rules of conduct, downloads, hints and tips)

welcome and if you get all seeing eye from the web you will be able to fly online too(free program take the one called trial version for a week. it works forever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

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berg417448
11-16-2006, 09:26 AM
Keep in mind that trim is not going to help him if he is flying the I-16. It does not have pilot adjustable trim...just like the real one.

Xiolablu3
11-16-2006, 09:58 AM
Hi Xaaand, welcome to your new addiction http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You are picking quite a tough plane for starting.

The i16 is very unstable, the engine also cuts out under negative 'G', which makes flying very hard.

If you had the complete edition like most of us have, I would suggest flying a Spitfire or a Zero to get the hang of things, but as you only have Forgotten Battles (there is a whole series of games to merge togther into one game, if you decide you want the 300+ flyable planes) the you are a bit limited in planes.

Good fighter planes to start with which I can remember are in Forgotten Battles standalone are Bf109F4, Bf109G2, La5FN.

These are good becasue they are powerful, and can turn well. Once you learn about flight and air combat then you will be able to move onto energy fighters like the FW190, but for now its best to stick with the 'Turn and Burn' planes until you get used to things.

The basics of succesful air combat revolve around 'Energy Management' or 'Energy Fighting'. But dogfighting is also a part of it too. (although much more dangerous). As you gain more experience, you will learn about energy management, but for now get used to the controls with some good old fashoined dogfighting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The best way to learn is to get online as soon as possible and fly and chat with other pilots. But its best to have the complete merged game foir this. There is a DVD coming out at the start of December with the whole series on, thats 300 planes and all the patches. If you enjoy the game, then buy that, get online with us, and you will hardly play another computer game again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Jaws2002
11-16-2006, 10:48 AM
Hello sir and welcome.

Here is a good place to start:
http://www.airwarfare.com/sturmovik_101/faq_index.htm

You'll find there answers to many of your questions. But you can always ask here and someone will help you.

About your problem.
The wings are on the plane to generate lift. Lift is what makes your plane climb and stay in the air. For the wings to generate lift they need speed. At a certain speed and certain AoA (angle of attack) the wing will create just enough lift to compensate for the weight of the plane. So the aircraft will fly nice and level If you increase the speed the wing will create more lift and your plane will tend to go up. ( like in your example). on the other way if you go slower your wing will create less lift then necessary to beat the gravity and the plane will tend to drop. In this case (if you have a good running engine, that was not damaged, overheated), you have to do one of two things to compensate: increase throttle to get more speed or pull the stick a little. This will increase the angle of attack and usually (if you don't pull too much) will increase the lift, but in the same time increase the drag.

But you say that the plane keeps dropping until you have to bail. That could have few causes: engine damage due to overheat, battle damage, Wrong mixture, prop pitch. Or you simply burned all your speed and are way too slow for controlled flight. Your wings don't generate lift.

When in flight try to look at the "ball" see if you are not side slipping.

here is the ball:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/ball1.jpg

in this screenshot i pushed the stick to one side so you can see it.
usually you can see it behind the stick:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/&lt;FA&gt;Jaws/ball.jpg


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Xaand
11-16-2006, 10:54 AM
Thanks to everyone. The trim info will definately come in handy !

The DVD sounds interesting and i may well purchase it, i only picked this up as part of a 2 for 3 deal (kids got 2, i got this) as i liked playing flight combat sims on the Amiga (i think).

Loving how realistic it is though!!!! i died after landing in forest, after the initial shock i was laughing and praising a game hands out rewards for realistic achievements.

Xaand
11-16-2006, 10:57 AM
just seen the pic above, i was beginning to wonder if my plane had a 'ball'

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Xiolablu3
11-16-2006, 11:18 AM
I have been thinking about your problem and I think its possbly that you are simply turning too hard and sharp too much and losing so much speed that your wings are not generating enough lift to keep you airbourne, and you go into a spin?

Is this correct?

Try and remember that WW2 planes are really just gliders with a bit of power to climb as long as you dont climb too steep, they are not high powered jets that you can point at the sky and keep climbing. Also each time you pull a hard turn you lose speed/energy. You must first build energy/height/speed by climbing slowly before you can pull hard manouvres, otherwise you will just stall out.

If you try and climb too hard without suffiecnt speed then you will quickly lose energy and stall, the plane will drop.

If you have to climb hard and fast, level out before your speed drops off too much. At around 220kph your nose will drop because you dont have enough lift to keep you up, and you will stall and fall.

Energy management is the key. But also flying a more powerful plane like the Bf109F4/G2 or the La5FN will also help. The i16 is very underpowered.

If you do stall and go into a spin then point nose down, throttle to 0% and opposite rudder to the spin gets you out of trouble most of the time.

Dive until you pick up speed again, then begin a gentle climb.

Does this sound like your problem, or have I got the wrong idea?

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Lunix
11-16-2006, 11:19 AM
Oh my you are in for some fun then. I started the same way years ago and said the same thing. I was instantly hooked by the detail and realism.