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RedDeth
03-20-2005, 01:48 PM
Were talking about new flight models. i believe for all planes? taking off and landing will be totally different

new bomber and fighters for japan.

many new maps.

many new fighters.

many new A.I. fighters.

this game is not just an update its an EXPANSION for the game. and its FREE.

be happy. be very happy. F.B. has been out a long time and for no cost to you OLEG is changing almost every facet of the game. clouds, ground objects, flight models, many many new planes flyable....and we all know there will be MANY new cool things added as a surprise...from special effects to extra planes that werent supposed to make it.

so stop player hating on oleg. the man is working for free after he was majorly ripped off by most of the online community downloading Pacific Fighters for free.

and id say a LARGE group of online pilots STILL havent paid oleg for getting P.F. for free.

freekin A considering that alone oleg is a saint.

Maasi
03-20-2005, 02:26 PM
I´m not happy if new new flight models make it so heavy that my PC cant run it properly anymore.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

RedDeth
03-20-2005, 02:38 PM
quack

Maasi
03-20-2005, 02:50 PM
Well go on! Shoot youself. i dont care.

First of all, one thing. I havent never and i mean NEVER complained about anything with these updates or actually anythin else. But if new fligt models turn this game unplayable to us lower end PC owners then why the he** i should be happy? You know that all of us cant buy new hardware all the time?

I dont know if they affect that much until i have tried, but i´m certaily little worried when i read that sentence where was mentioned yhat it will put more pressure to ones PC. Its playable now, in 800X600 res, med. details.So i really hope that these new FM will be optional.

Yeah, of course you had to edit your post.

RedDeth
03-20-2005, 03:51 PM
rgr all i said was id shoot myself. seemed like a pointless joke.

maasi read my thread again.

now think about what your saying. your complaining about modernizing the best flight sim out there.

my only advice to you is if you dont like it when it comes out dont use it.

trust me your not even in a 1 percent category. if anyone and i mean anyone EVER took your viewpoint then DOOM3 would still run on an old pentium 1 75mhz

if the add on needs more resources then so be it. go buy more ram and a better card. cant afford it then dont use it.

same as doom3 halflife too etc. your rig cant run them? then dont buy em. but dont limit the gaming community to your computers parameters. the rest of us want better games and better graphics and more planes in air rendered yadda yadda.

my computer is 2 and 1/2 years old. it aint new. but i will not be a whining little kid crying to oleg that i want less graphics and less flight models cuz my puter dont run it.

if thats your best whine get another as its full of holes worse than swiss cheese.

Hawggy
03-20-2005, 03:59 PM
From the beginning of time til the end, you must obey this cardinal rule with PC entertainment:

There will always be a game that will push the limits of current hardware, and REQUIRE you to buy faster components for your system.

If there weren't NEW, more challenging to your system, changes, then we'd still be playing CFS.

Don't like having to upgrade? Go buy a suX-Box or a wack-station-2, and let us REAL PC flite simmers have our new patch!

Weather_Man
03-20-2005, 04:08 PM
Is it really 4.0? Or is it 3.05 or whatever?

Anyways, are we talking about the sorta beta FM test package for BoB Oleg mentioned somewhere? I thought that would be an optional component, only to be used if your PC can handle it. And the new planes, maps, etc will still be available for all. Although, I suppose everyone will need the same version for online..

Whatever the case, new FM is AWESOME! I'd gladly tone down the eye candy to get a taste of the future.

Atomic_Marten
03-20-2005, 04:28 PM
You know Red, when I give it a second thought you are completely right.
About that ripping off Oleg part the most..

But c'mon, I believe that we almost all have an opportunity to get the game for free one way or the other, but taking that step means that you don't appreciate the game at all. Another words you aren't real flight sim fan.. like the rest of us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

By 'investing' our money in this game, I believe that we encourage those brilliant programmers behind the game (core) to build even better sims in the future so calculations are pretty clear.

And yes, it may be somewhat subjective, but for me this is the best game ever. After playing for a long time (few years) I can say that without doubt.

VW-IceFire
03-20-2005, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
Is it really 4.0? Or is it 3.05 or whatever?

Anyways, are we talking about the sorta beta FM test package for BoB Oleg mentioned somewhere? I thought that would be an optional component, only to be used if your PC can handle it. And the new planes, maps, etc will still be available for all. Although, I suppose everyone will need the same version for online..

Whatever the case, new FM is AWESOME! I'd gladly tone down the eye candy to get a taste of the future. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oleg said that it was named 4.0 because of the extent of the changes and additions. Fair enough.

I don't think the FM is going to be optional. That would cause problems online. There will still be an easy and a hard mode no doubt but it'll be higher precision all around. The latest version of Lock On (1.1) adds a new high-fi FM model...apparently the performance hit is not really much at all. A few FPS here and there...the difference between a properly tuned soundcard driver really. If you're at the very edge of decent performance right now anyways...then you probably should think about working on your system a bit.

Weather_Man
03-20-2005, 04:45 PM
Ah, I guess I've not been paying attention. So is this the new highly detailed BoB beta FM, or just a tweaked PF version?

Maasi
03-20-2005, 04:46 PM
What is wrong with you two(red death and hawqqy)? Are you blind or something? Did i really whine somewhere? If I AM not happy(and worried is THE word i like to use here) how this conserns you? Last time i checked it was possible to tell you own opinion, apparently it has changed.

What is this garbage about whining to Oleg? I never mentioned his name anywhere, if i really have something to say to him i would try to post it to him personally, not here. But i have nothing, until this day i have been one happy camper, and im still actually, only little worried.

And then there is this " but dont limit the gaming community to your computers parameters." Was i really limiting something? Do you really believe that i think that if i post my worries here it would change how these things are going to be? I dont think so!

Errr,yeah, actually i really havent anything to say "Mr REAL flight simmer" Hawggy. I´m apparently not worthy, oops i say onething, do you think that i am the person who decides if we have this patch or dont we? Think again, you know, i´m not, so dont use stupid lines like this: "and let us REAL PC flite simmers have our new patch!"

Luckily theres one good reply from Weather_man. Exactly what i was hoping for, this little piece of information " I thought that would be an optional component, only to be used if your PC can handle it" was exactly what i was hoping to see.

TPN_Cephas
03-20-2005, 05:12 PM
If the flight model is unpopular you can still fly 3.05 on your trusty old rig. If a good portion of the community agrees with you there will still be 3.05 servers to fly on online.

Time marches on, things change, people fear change, get used to it.

The_Pharoah
03-20-2005, 05:42 PM
which ever way you look at it, we will ALL need new pc's - thats the price WE as customers have to pay ie. we all want bigger and better games or yes we'll still be playing EAW, however that comes at the cost of new hardware. The perfect example is Doom 3 (as brought up above) - excellent graphics, etc however you need a pretty good PC with a good vid card to run it and especially to reap all the benefits that new game engines offer.

Personally? I'm doing 2 things :-
1. buying an Nvidia 6600GT 128mb video card
2. upgrading my RAM from 512 to 1 gig.

Thats the first step. My GeForce 4 mmx 64mb card just doesn't hack it anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

RichardI
03-20-2005, 06:02 PM
RedDeth: I'm confused. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Is this update for Pacific Fighters or for FB/AEP. I'm asking because I'm one of those schmucks who doesn't have AEP. Don't know how I missed it, but I did and now I can't find it anywhere http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif
Some of the stuff I saw on the Updates page is not for any Pacific theatre I know about http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif.
BTW, for the record this is NOT a whine... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Rich http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

JG7_Rall
03-20-2005, 06:28 PM
Richard, is this the same Richard from the CFS forums? If so, this is Ace of Diamonds...how ya doing?

Anyways, when is this patch due out? Is 3.05 cancelled? Thanks

sukebeboy
03-20-2005, 06:50 PM
Free? How the hell is this free? I bought Pacific Fighters on the understanding that the missing content "now enough room on 2 CDs my ***" would be released last November, concurrent with the N. American release of the game. 6 months later and I'm still waiting.

Even after this latest patch, it looks like I'll still be waiting as the originally promised material STILL won't be included.

TAGERT.
03-20-2005, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I´m not happy if new new flight models make it so heavy that my PC cant run it properly anymore.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is this thing they call *OPTIONS*
It allows you to tweak the settings so the game will run smoother on your PC.
Check it out! It is worth spending at least a few min to figure it all out!

Yog_Shoggoth
03-20-2005, 07:22 PM
Sometimes I think companies like Id are getting cuts of Nvidia and Kingston sales...

That said my computer can handle anything that will be on the market over the next couple of years.

MrQBerrt
03-20-2005, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Free? How the hell is this free? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
While I might agree with you in principle, the reality of it is that oleg and company already have your money and are under no obligation to release any new patches. So anything they give us after the original release is in fact free

Box-weasel
03-20-2005, 07:56 PM
The new patch will be awesome.

Minimum requirements will be a 5Mhz Nitrogen-cooled machine, currently available for $10,000 in the clearance aisle at Walmart.

New extensively researched campaigns will be included that use as sources Hollywood's Golden book WW2 comics. Campaign planesets will continue to be implemented by using the dartboard hanging on the wall at UBI that lists them.

The new maps will of course include only the edges of the most important battle theaters since the ocean surrounding these takes precedence and needs to be detailed down to the last wave.

Mission builders will get a break as several Japanese gas trucks will be equipped with Gatling guns and made to float so they can be lined up to simulate Battleship row at Pearl Harbor.

The Gruesome Avenger and Nakamichi Kitty-Kat torpedo bombers will finally make it into the game, as will the historically important Austalian Wombat fighter, of which two were made, and that saw action outside of a bar in Sydney on 12-11-41 during an after hours Pachinko brawl.

New flight models will require pre-start checklists and winding up the propellors with the huge rubber bands that run through the fuselages. Planes will no longer continue to skip like wind-driven ballons when they land. The wheel brakes bug that flips the planes onto their noses if you even think about using them has been extensively rethought. Deacceleration on landing will now be accomplished by tossing an anchor with a bungie-cord that is attached to the gunsight out of the cockpit.

The new clouds will resemble pink cotton candy which is accurate according to secret Russian meteorological data and if flown through at less than 200 kts IAS will adhere to the misplaced hinomarus and garish, spurious numbering on the Japanese planes rendering them helpless in certain areas along the Kokoda Track in New Guinea. There will also be a skins option to turn on corporate stickers ala Nascar ads to help pay Oleg's programmers.

Over 30,000 ft. in the black void of space there will be new eye-candy including weather satellites, the International Space Station, and if you look closely enough, the Hindenburg. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RedDeth
03-20-2005, 08:15 PM
maasi i come off mad on forums. dont know why just do. sorry. but im right and your wrong so there. quack.

richard the new patch is for latest version of game. fbaep and pf.

sukebeboy the new addition is free. itll be a lot more than was promised extras in pf that werent there.

most people didnt even buy PF they stole it and some paid for it later. so oleg is giving a free product add on to MANY people who stole it from online sites.

90 percent of online pilots were flying P.F. before it was out. go figure. now take a guess at how many actually paid for it later when they would not need to. theft was RAMPANT.

oleg should not be whined at. hes already been stolen from.

this new HUGE ADD ON will be the bomb.

sukebeboy
03-20-2005, 08:21 PM
I don't care if many people stole it. I didn't. What does that have to do with me? I was promised certain content and I bought the game on good faith. I sat through 6 months of lies about "not enough room on the CDs" or "oh, our lead programmer is sick" or "we're still waiting for some data from a 3rd party modeller." Six monthes later and still nothing.

Looks like the pirates weren't the only ones stealing.

Fliegeroffizier
03-20-2005, 08:23 PM
I can't be bothered to read all the posts in this thread... I know a number of them will make me want to puke.

I say to Oleg: DON'T give us a free Add-on!!!! Charge $24.95 USD!!!

Drive off the rif-raff!!

We are sick of them. ...and surely ALL of the pirates are among the riff-raff(although all the riff-raff are not pirates)...

strewth
03-20-2005, 08:35 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

I already got my value outa the game and have no probs paying to improve it even more.

walsh2509
03-20-2005, 08:44 PM
I paid the full price for PF 34.99 (uk)!


And as for working for nothing on this patch, that my be true for those who own IL2+FB, but PF was incomplete when I paid my 34.99.. And was told that I would have the rest of the sim (issued on 2cd's instead of 3) soon after!

For what I can see is that the most of patch is aimed at and for IL2 FB and only part of it for my Stand Alone PF's!

ReligiousZealot
03-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Guys, just relax. 4.0 will have all the content that was so called neglected from PF, and then some. It takes a while for things to be tweaked up to Oleg's standards, (I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to be going against a ki-100 that flies like someone put a jet engine in the tail) so being impatient isn't going to solve anything. So as I said before, relax and wait...once it comes out, if things aren't the way you like, I'll be more than happy to hear your complaints and I'm sure Oleg would listen as well. It's not right to judge the patch before it comes out, after all, the list, is just what is [essentially] GUARANTEED to be included, who knows, we may all be pleasantly surprised.

RedDeth
03-20-2005, 09:42 PM
whats all this crazy whining about not getting what was promised in P.F.? are you talking about the betty? thats one plane. PF combined has about 110 flyable planes and you whine about one plane and say oleg stole from you?

someone should go to your house and rip your puter out of the wall and drive over it. you dont deserve it.


um...was that a little over the top? i can never tell

Cornay
03-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Lots of angst here.

Just wait for the patch/addon and then decide.

Everything else is so much speculation.

Slammin_
03-20-2005, 10:09 PM
Pre-patch whining really, really <fill-in-the-blank>.


And man, I really, really, really cannot wait for the post-patch whines!


As was already said, I wish Oleg attached a $24 price tag on it. Maybe add some Starforce lovin too!

Bearcat99
03-20-2005, 10:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
I don't care if many people stole it. I didn't. What does that have to do with me? I was promised certain content and I bought the game on good faith. I sat through 6 months of lies about "not enough room on the CDs" or "oh, our lead programmer is sick" or "we're still waiting for some data from a 3rd party modeller." Six monthes later and still nothing.

Looks like the pirates weren't the only ones stealing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are disatisfied with PF then fine.... if you insist on slandering the sims developer and the company that produced & distributed the sim.. which is what you are doing when you call him/them liars and thieves, which is what you did...... you will not be allowed to post on this forum. You have a beef? Fine, express it without the namecalling or begone. I wont say this again and I wont stand for it at all.

We dont know why it took so long..... just like we had no idea untill it was leaked about the whole copyright thing with the American planes..... I wonder if you reacted the same way to all the other software you bought that didnt quite deliver what you expected... although as far as a flight sim goes PF delivers and then some. If you arent happy then dont subject yourself to the torture. In the mean time watch your mouth.

MiamiEagle
03-20-2005, 11:19 PM
I do not agree in calling any one a lair and theive with out proper proof. But I"am sorry we did get a very incomplete game.

All some of us are asking is to for you them finish this program.

My understanding is that this new Patch is mostly intended for the FB/Ace program.

None of the previous program had as many defficiency as this had on release from Oleg and company.

All previouse relealses had short comming but they also had most of the Plane and Maps describe upon release.

I was hoping that this new patch would change all that. I hope I"am wrong about the new Patch. I hope this new patch will fix most of the short commings of the Pacific Fighter program.

Its not that the Forgotten Battle Ace do not need expantion. Its that the Pacific Fighter program is a lot less complete than the previous program.

It needs more maps. Better Dgen with plausable senerious and proper planes to the appropiate missions. Not Wildcats escorting Hellcat on a Bombing missions or Zeros escorting other Zeros while Bombing Midway while mimicing the Midway campaign. Since most American planes in the Pacific are already represented with the exception of a few Light Dive and Torpedo Bombers. Mostly we need are e Few Japanese Bombers. Like the Sally and Nell if only as a Ai at first, to make this programa better representative of the Pacific war.

The better you make your programs the more you will sell.

I do beleive Oleg and his team are proffesionals and will cerrect this problems.

Thank you

Miamieagle

Sharkey888
03-20-2005, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
I don't care if many people stole it. I didn't. What does that have to do with me? I was promised certain content and I bought the game on good faith. I sat through 6 months of lies about "not enough room on the CDs" or "oh, our lead programmer is sick" or "we're still waiting for some data from a 3rd party modeller." Six monthes later and still nothing.

Looks like the pirates weren't the only ones stealing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While maybe a little harsh, I don't think this is too much off the mark.

Spectre-63
03-20-2005, 11:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
I don't care if many people stole it. I didn't. What does that have to do with me? I was promised certain content and I bought the game on good faith. I sat through 6 months of _lies_ about "not enough room on the CDs" or "oh, our lead programmer is sick" or "we're still waiting for some data from a 3rd party modeller." Six monthes later and still nothing.

_Looks like the pirates weren't the only ones stealing_. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are disatisfied with PF then fine.... if you insist on slandering the sims developer and the company that produced & distributed the sim.. which is what you are doing when you call him/them liars and thieves, which is what you did...... you will not be allowed to post on this forum. You have a beef? Fine, express it without the namecalling or begone. I wont say this again and I wont stand for it at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's the problem, Bearcat - we've been told from the beginning that this 3rd CD's content was going to be released right after the American release and it still hasn't happened. After that long, people begin to doubt the credibility of the source. When it becomes painfully obvious that the information on the box was grossly misleading, people begin feeling that they've been taken for a ride. To be told by all of Oleg's muppets to "be happy with what you've got" after all that further irritates an already sore point. Yes, I have all 3 titles in a merged install - the PTO, however, is by far my preferred theater of operations. Many of those who feel as I do, along with those who do not have the other two titles, feel that they're being consistently treated as bastard children. There seems to be a great deal of content created for FB/AEP and released for the merged install, but very little applicable content being released for the supposedly standalone PF. A great deal of the frustration I feel personally stems from my interactions with the leagues of Oleg fanbois who consistently imply that my frustrations with the state of PF are unfounded.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We dont know why it took so long..... just like we had no idea untill it was leaked about the whole copyright thing with the American planes..... I wonder if you reacted the same way to all the other software you bought that didnt quite deliver what you expected... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I was equally vocal when I felt cheated after making the mistake of purchasing Strike Fighters - Project 1. Not surprisingly, there was an equally vocal group of fanbois who spouted the same lines about being "happy with what you get"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>although as far as a flight sim goes PF delivers and then some. If you arent happy then dont subject yourself to the torture. In the mean time watch your mouth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While you're entitled to your opinion that PF "delivers and then some" I'm not sure that everyone would agree - I know that I certainly would not. Additionally, it's not about "subjecting" ourselves to the "torture", it's about finally getting what we paid for: a standalone product, not an expansion-pack.

RedDeth
03-21-2005, 12:08 AM
the main additions coming out in the free game add on will be the KI-100 JAPANESE FIGHTER. and the JAPANESE BETTY BOMBER.

as well as probably some other japanese planes. and possibly some more pacific maps in addition to western and eastern maps and western front fighters.

and whole new FM.

and possibly the spit14 and tempest...at least in AI.

all the whining is definitely not warranted as anyone who bought these games did not in any way get Screwed by oleg as some are hinting. Pacific fighters may not be perfect. what sim is but its a million times better than CFS3 which was touted as the END ALL BE ALL of ww2 flight sims. ive bought about 15 games over the years that ive never used after testing. they were that bad.

anyone that says PF is bad or that they dont play it is a liar.

WTE_DuStA
03-21-2005, 12:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
the main additions coming out in the free game add on will be the KI-100 JAPANESE FIGHTER. and the JAPANESE BETTY BOMBER.

as well as probably some other japanese planes. and possibly some more pacific maps in addition to western and eastern maps and western front fighters.

and whole new FM.

and possibly the spit14 and tempest...at least in AI.

all the whining is definitely not warranted as anyone who bought these games did not in any way get Screwed by oleg as some are hinting. Pacific fighters may not be perfect. what sim is but its a million times better than CFS3 which was touted as the END ALL BE ALL of ww2 flight sims. ive bought about 15 games over the years that ive never used after testing. they were that bad.

anyone that says PF is bad or that they dont play it is a liar. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have to say my two cents here . RedDeth don't generalise . Your coming across as a fanboy of oleg's and i cant stand that . Yes i download PF before it was released and went and bought a copy the day it came out. Infact i bought two copies as i sat on a cd and wanted the cd's incase my images stuffed up . So i have paid my dues. When the game was released we were told the third cd would be available for download. Still cant see that on the website , can you ????

Like someone said earlier this game was released unfinished and i would like the stuff we were told were coming, free or not before we get any new stuff such as new flight models etc etc . Maybe you should read your posts before you hit the submit button as your tone is one of a headless chicken.

Lets look at the time it took to get a dedicated server for PF . That almost killed it for alot of people. Some of my friends have stopped playing it and wont buy anymore products from oleg's company on the simple basis we couldn;t even be supplied with a dedicated server and be able to run games with more than 15 people ingame.

So before you go off and accusing everyone of being a software pirate etc etc, just look at the circumstances on how alot of ppl feel they been taken for a ride when they simply want what was told was going to be given to them.

JR_Greenhorn
03-21-2005, 12:59 AM
@sukebeboy,
Please run your mouth again so that Bearcat will give you the vacation you've already earned.
Obviously you've forgotten whose board you're posting on; show some respect, will ya?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
I can't be bothered to read all the posts in this thread... I know a number of them will make me want to puke. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Indeed.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliegeroffizier:
I say to Oleg: DON'T give us a free Add-on!!!! Charge $24.95 USD!!!

Drive off the rif-raff!!

We are sick of them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll second that!


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiamiEagle:
My understanding is that this new Patch is mostly intended for the FB/Ace program.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That statement is not quite accurate.
I don't mean to single out you personally here, MiamiEagle, but I wanted to make a few points based on your comment that relate to what I see others posting as well.


Most of the percieved "AB/AEP-only" content isn't "intended" for that progam. Rather, the content is the result of the efforts of 3rd party volunteers creating models, and Oleg's team finishing and implementing them. That many of them happen to be most fitting in European settings was the choice of the original 3rd party modeller. Bear in mind, most of the non-PTO content we have been seeing has been in development since long before PF was even announced.

It's kind of tiring to the PF players deriding what they percive as ETO-only content, as if it stands in the way of their full enjoyment of PF. Many AEP players view the whole PF debacle as something that delayed long-awaited European and Eastern Fronts content. It's pretty obvious which camp whines the loudest.

Finally, to clarify, the intent of the coming v4.0 patch seems to be:
1) The release of a few Japanese planes
2) The release of a few maps that may or may not include PTO-related locales
3) The release of some of the 3rd party content for various theatres that has long been in development and in the pipeline
4) More testing of BoB features in the current game engine (anyone remotely perceptive knows that this isn't a new thing)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Box-weasel:
The wheel brakes bug that flips the planes onto their noses if you even think about using them has been extensively rethought. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

TheGozr
03-21-2005, 01:56 AM
is FB becoming a ground test for BOB, like a big beta test... I hope that i like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

triggerhappyfin
03-21-2005, 02:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
is FB becoming a ground test for BOB, like a big beta test... I hope that i like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Atleast the IL-2 engine aint as dead as ppl say!

I think I have to update my puter(hope it´ll let me play with full settings).

GerritJ9
03-21-2005, 02:30 AM
Guys, wait until the patch is released....... right now we don't KNOW what will and what won't be in it. Then download it and try it, and report any bugs you might find. But don't complain beforehand about its contents.
As long as the CW-21B is included, and the Singapore map, I will be more than happy with it! Anything else is a huge bonus to me.

DarthBane_
03-21-2005, 03:26 AM
Some of the posters should not confuse church and good with Oleg, some funboys leaves such impression. Guys this is a GAME, an unfinished one, and we are waiting 6 months for something allready paid for. Funboys go buy a pizza capricosa, and than wait for mushrooms on it 6 months. Thats ok for you? All right, but leave normal people who belive in given word do so. How do you call someone who promises something and than doesnt do what he promised for 6 MONTHS? Dont confuse your religious feelings with this simple aspect. And i dont forget where i am. On boards of the game i paid for 3 times. il2 is the only game i had to buy 3 times, and i dont give a **** if someone didnt, also i am not religious, and dont like liars. Also something from Herodots history, concerning constant sickness in 1c: When someone gets sick, others quickly kill him and eat him. So the sick people try to convince others of their good health to stay alive. Often without sucess. Could the stories about who is sick stop here? Some of us definatly didnt make it alive to see this patch after 6 months. The time for release has come. Enough talk. No more excuses. No more lies. To work. Quickly.

Maasi
03-21-2005, 03:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I´m not happy if new new flight models make it so heavy that my PC cant run it properly anymore.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is this thing they call *OPTIONS*
It allows you to tweak the settings so the game will run smoother on your PC.
Check it out! It is worth spending at least a few min to figure it all out! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you o mighty one! Will do, now would you kindly tell me where is tweaking options to flight models? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Or do you mean that i must drag all my graphic options to lowest so i can enjoy great FM? Is there "no graphics" option somewhere? That would be cool, then it would really run smooth.

Maasi
03-21-2005, 03:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
maasi i come off mad on forums. dont know why just do. sorry. but im right and your wrong so there. quack.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now there you go! I really appreciate people who have strong belief in their own opinions (claps hands)

sukebeboy
03-21-2005, 04:26 AM
ca<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
@sukebeboy,

Obviously you've forgotten whose board you're posting on; show some respect, will ya?


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm... Ubisoft's public forum for owners and people interested in IL2?


Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities there, tiger. Tell you what. I'll make sure to PM you anytime I feel like doing something so radical as voicing my opinion, OK? That way you can vett it for me and make sure it's fit for the poor, unwashed slobs to read.

strewth
03-21-2005, 04:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Funboys go buy a pizza capricosa, and than wait for mushrooms on it 6 months. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I buy your said pizza without the mushies included, I have two choices.

1. I take the pizza back and don't play with it.

2. I eat it and S.T.F. up.

You blokes strike me as the ones that scoff down the said pizza and then complain about the lack of mushrooms.

Would you have bought it if the betty wasn't on the box? Probably yes!

Would some of you find something else to complain about? Probably yes!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
How do you call someone who promises something and than doesnt do what he promised for 6 MONTHS? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably snowed under trying to cater for whingers.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Dont confuse your religious feelings with this simple aspect. And i dont forget where i am. On boards of the game i paid for 3 times. il2 is the only game i had to buy 3 times, and i dont give a **** if someone didnt, also i am not religious, and dont like liars. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is right. Nobody held a gun to your head and made you purchase it. TRUE OR FALSE? I have also paid for it and on an hourly rate of money for enjoyment, I got my monies worth plus some.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Also something from Herodots history, concerning constant sickness in 1c: When someone gets sick, others quickly kill him and eat him. So the sick people try to convince others of their good health to stay alive. Often without sucess. Could the stories about who is sick stop here? Some of us definatly didnt make it alive to see this patch after 6 months. The time for release has come. Enough talk. No more excuses. No more lies. To work. Quickly. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT THE??!!

Who cares if you want to eat sick people. I'm still alive after 6 months and don't appear to have any bite marks on me either.

And please don't go calling Oleg a liar without some darn good proof. This bloke does a heck of alot for a community and has always come through with the goods. He has always given us more than we originally paid for, and if you have all the copies, and had them from release, you would realise this.

Yes, call me a fanboi or whatever you like. I am a fan of Olegs and I am very very happy with what we have along with alot of others.

DON'T FORGET - IF YA DON'T LIKE THE PIZZA - STOP EATING IT AND TAKE IT BACK!!

Feathered_IV
03-21-2005, 04:54 AM
Seafood pizza, yuk. It just aint right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I guess complaints over the Betty are magnified by the small number IJ aircraft currently available to Japanese officianados. To them (and me), one new Japanese aircraft is all the more precious and worth five US, Luft or VVS planes in the flyable list.

Just my two cents http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DarthBane_
03-21-2005, 05:46 AM
You can also burn the pizzeria place down. Another option. I never said that i would like to eat sick people. I certainly didnt sugest Oleg to start eating his sick programers. Herodot also wrote that people in India mate wherever they feel like (at the time he was there), but that doesnt mean i sugest that to you or anyone.

DarthBane_
03-21-2005, 05:50 AM
One more detail: there was no old people there. They used to kill and eat older man and women, so everyone was young and healty.

Bearcat99
03-21-2005, 06:17 AM
Hey I am feeling you..... I am a bit disapointed as well.. but all things considered IMO there is just a lot of over reacting to the whole thing. Missing a few planes? Sure...... the only thing on my box that wasnt there is the Betty...... Would I like to see an Avenger? Absolutely... and a few more ships... I think it is a bit disconcerting that one of the most visable American planes in the PTO isnt here.. but that isnt all Oleg's fault. But to act like you have been ripped off... especially considering the track record is just a bit much.... Like I said I dont know why things were done the way they were.... but to go out and say "They're a bunch of liars and thieves is just a bit strong IMO". This patch promises to be the ticket... so why dont we wait and see.

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 06:45 AM
I want to know how many of these guys who are whining about the Betty are actually going to fly it?!?!

That things a fireball waiting to happen, no way would you catch me in one of those!

DarthBane_
03-21-2005, 06:48 AM
Well everything is statistic. The time passes and chances to be run over by a car or truck while crossing street are increasing. Until the patch comes out i will avoid the street. Than what if the earthquake starts? Or another war might happen, because where i live war bursts every few years. I wonna live to see the new FM in patch. Lol. Blood will flow to seal the camming of the new world, darkness calls and it doesnt like to be kept waiting.

Hendley
03-21-2005, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I want to know how many of these guys who are whining about the Betty are actually going to fly it?!?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*puts one hand up enthusiastically*

You know, I've hardly _ever_ seen any whining about the Betty. It gets mentioned in the context of delivering the content described in the box blurb, but that's about all.

On the other hand, whines about ships, torpedo planes, PTO maps, non-PTO ground objects included in patch, wrong color ocean, canopy dirt on Hellcat, .50s not taking out ships etc etc, I've seen LOTS of. IJN/IJA fans are about the quietest folk around, seems to me.

HotelBushranger
03-21-2005, 07:27 AM
To quote General Tubby Allen:

'If you think you can do any bloody better come up here and bloody try.'

Bowmiester
03-21-2005, 08:01 AM
I think you all seem to be moaning and groaning like spoilt children in a sweetshop, can any of you tell me of another pc game that has had the the free patches and support like il2 over the last few years. I browse these forums quite often and its getting more and more of i want i want and "i want it now" I Don"t like this I don"t want that. The important thing your forgetting is that its free. If i was mr Maddox I would have run off to Burmuda with all your cash long ago after the release of il2 FB then you would all have had something to whine about http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CAPT_COTTON
03-21-2005, 08:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
I need to take a pix of me standing by all the disks i own and i bought. They go back to combat fligth simulator 1 [yes one]and you had to pay to get on line to play.then it was changed to ace figther and was free [type in cotton8842 in player profiles and my great score is still ther he he ]They cahnged it to VR1 and you had to pay to play on line .a hundred players online in one room if you lasted 15 mins you were staying off map.
A great thing happen i bought the il2 game my world changed [no longer had to be called cheat and could stay on line without being kicked for zipping around at least 2 hours in same room]i have gotton all the patches and and all the disks and still play but now i am called a cheat and that i did not buy my disks and get FU added to my name [thats not my inatiols]
The japs had better planes than we got and i dont fly AIs and who needs them i haft to have a coxpit and my new disk wont start even off line [second set]good thing i hadfirst set.
My pc has been upgraded all this time i very rarely see lag or studders and it s cleaned and striped and works great BUT the lower end pc sees lag in his pc and then complains to host and the flyer who cant get DSL or CABLE be cause he lives out here in the middle of nowhere for 22 years [hes 62 years old toooo]has pings showing of 200 to 300 on UBI or 120 to 200 ON HL gets kicked AND STILL HE IS FLYING AND READING ALL YOUR **** .
AND THATS MY 2 CENTS [NICKLE MORE LIKE IT HEHE]

canucksledge
03-21-2005, 08:30 AM
While a lot of you are standing around whining bickering and fighting over whether we are being taken or not, I filed a complaint with the Canadian Government's Competition Bureau against Ubi's Canadian Office. I've contacted Ubi a number of times via phone and mail regarding their website still telling everyone that the game has this stuff, and despite being assured they are wrong for doing and are going to fix it, this they still have it up. I'm sorry if this cheeses all the groupies, but there's a legal definition of right and wrong, and the only way to find this out is to ask people in authority to investigate. It just doesn't sit right with me that this is happening. Just cause you order a pizza advertised with certain ingredients that doesn't come as advertised doesn't mean once you get your money back you allow the company to continue doing it to others. That's morally irresponsible, no? Allowing a crime to continue with your knowledge? It also doesn't mean that if you decide to keep it you should shut up. If anything you should have the right to say more. They got your money. You didn't get your goods. I dunno about other countries, but here false advertising is a federal crime. I cannot understand why so many people sit around telling people that share my opinion to keep quiet, when they got ripped too. It's been a full quarter since release, and we are still missing box contents. Yippiee for all the free stuff we got, but priority should have been on what we thought we were getting first, not what we didn't ask for.

RichardI
03-21-2005, 08:45 AM
Hey Ace! You bet it's me. I don't go away that easy. How have you been. Looks like you've come over to the dark side http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Man, this place is like a dark dungeon compared to the old CFC forums....
Good to know you're still around (keep your head down around here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

Rich http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Richard, is this the same Richard from the CFS forums? If so, this is Ace of Diamonds...how ya doing?

Anyways, when is this patch due out? Is 3.05 cancelled? Thanks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JFC_danger
03-21-2005, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bowmiester:
I think you all seem to be moaning and groaning like spoilt children in a sweetshop, can any of you tell me of another pc game that has had the the free patches and support like il2 over the last few years. I browse these forums quite often and its getting more and more of i want i want and "i want it now" I Don"t like this I don"t want that. The important thing your forgetting is that its free. If i was mr Maddox I would have run off to Burmuda with all your cash long ago after the release of il2 FB then you would all have had something to whine about http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
not spoiled children, unimpressed simmers. what you dont understand is that most of who actually paid for the sim, would pay for the addons aswell, we would do anything to recieve continued support for pf, it looks like this is the last patch for us,and that it has much more for il2,fb than us..... so let us grumble if we feel the need. after all,, there is NO other pto sim out there that comes close,SO.. WHY NOT MAKE IT THE BEST???????????????
forget the busses and diggers, give us jap tanks and troop ships. its a shame to let this dog lay down. a great shame..........

argnan
03-21-2005, 09:00 AM
When this update is going to be released????????????????????? It is totally diffrent from patch 3.05 ??????

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I want to know how many of these guys who are whining about the Betty are actually going to fly it?!?!

That things a fireball waiting to happen, no way would you catch me in one of those! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My guess.. 95% of them will fly it once or twice.. Then be done with it. My guess is based off the introduction of the B25.. First few weeks.. All over the place.. After that.. maybe 3 or 4 tops in a room of 30+. And they typically dont fly in packs.. Though I have seen the 310 squad get about 2 or 3 in a nice tight formation online once or twice.

goshikisen
03-21-2005, 09:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JFC_danger:
there is NO other pto sim out there that comes close,SO.. WHY NOT MAKE IT THE BEST????????????

forget the buses and diggers, give us jap tanks and troop ships. its a shame to let this dog lay down. a great shame.......... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One Japanese Cruiser, One Japanese Battleship and One US Battleship. This should be a rather long mantra for 1C. I offer reference materials for the work if anyone needs any.

Maybe some of these seaborne objects could be part of one of these vague 3rd party initiatives that we've heard mentioned in the past.

4.0 will be great... it'd be even greater if we had these bread and butter ships added to the mix. It ain't the pacific without them.

Regards, Goshikisen.

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 09:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Thank you o mighty one! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your welcome my son.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:Will do, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bless you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
now would you kindly tell me where is tweaking options to flight models? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Or do you mean that i must drag all my graphic options to lowest so i can enjoy great FM? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, you allmost got it my son.. Yes, you may have to adj some of your graphics to account for the more complex FM.. But graphics may not do it alone.. In that the FM code does not run on your graphics card.. It runs on your central (PC) processor. But there is some overhead between the two, so, any reduction on one will help the other.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Is there "no graphics" option somewhere? That would be cool, then it would really run smooth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, my son, you seem to be operating under the impression that the advanced FM is going to be a 1000 times harder to run than the current FM.. Please dont assume such things.. I recomend you wait and see before you whine too much now.. Otherwise you may not have the strenght to whine later.. Also keep in mind that Oleg pointed out that it will really *matter* with more planes in the air.. In that the AI flys the same FM. For example, if the new FM is only 5% harder.. it will probally go un-noticed while your ONLINE fightig real people.. Because you PC is only calculting the FM for you plane.. Not the other real peopls planes.. Their PC's are doing that on thier end.. Where that 5% will add up is OFFLINE.. In that 5% times 10 AI planes can add up quick.

So, the only people I think that *could* be hit hard are the OFFLINE folks.. But the fact that they are OFFLINE only means they are some intervert that does not want to deal with real people.. Thus they save alot of money on boozing it up on the weekends and probally have a real good PC allready. What with the extra graphics to desplay porn and run leasure suit larry and all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hendley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I want to know how many of these guys who are whining about the Betty are actually going to fly it?!?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*puts one hand up enthusiastically*

You know, I've hardly _ever_ seen any whining about the Betty. It gets mentioned in the context of delivering the content described in the box blurb, but that's about all.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I meant in the context of theres dozens of people posting about how there soooooo cheated by Oleg and 1C:M because they didn't get 1 thing that was advertised on the packet, the flyable Betty. My point being are any of these people who are so pained by this one misleading problem going to actually fly the betty? Go on campaigns with it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I want to know how many of these guys who are whining about the Betty are actually going to fly it?!?!

That things a fireball waiting to happen, no way would you catch me in one of those! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My guess.. 95% of them will fly it once or twice.. Then be done with it. My guess is based off the introduction of the B25.. First few weeks.. All over the place.. After that.. maybe 3 or 4 tops in a room of 30+. And they typically dont fly in packs.. Though I have seen the 310 squad get about 2 or 3 in a nice tight formation online once or twice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shame with the A20G as well, thats fantastic attack plane no one ever seems to want to fly it, especially in formation.

Maasi
03-21-2005, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Thank you o mighty one! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your welcome my son.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:Will do, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bless you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
now would you kindly tell me where is tweaking options to flight models? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Or do you mean that i must drag all my graphic options to lowest so i can enjoy great FM? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, you allmost got it my son.. Yes, you may have to adj some of your graphics to account for the more complex FM.. But graphics may not do it alone.. In that the FM code does not run on your graphics card.. It runs on your central (PC) processor. But there is some overhead between the two, so, any reduction on one will help the other.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Is there "no graphics" option somewhere? That would be cool, then it would really run smooth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, my son, you seem to be operating under the impression that the advanced FM is going to be a 1000 times harder to run than the current FM.. Please dont assume such things.. I recomend you wait and see before you whine too much now.. Otherwise you may not have the strenght to whine later.. Also keep in mind that Oleg pointed out that it will really *matter* with more planes in the air.. In that the AI flys the same FM. For example, if the new FM is only 5% harder.. it will probally go un-noticed while your ONLINE fightig real people.. Because you PC is only calculting the FM for you plane.. Not the other real peopls planes.. Their PC's are doing that on thier end.. Where that 5% will add up is OFFLINE.. In that 5% times 10 AI planes can add up quick.

So, the only people I think that *could* be hit hard are the OFFLINE folks.. But the fact that they are OFFLINE only means they are some intervert that does not want to deal with real people.. Thus they save alot of money on boozing it up on the weekends and probally have a real good PC allready. What with the extra graphics to desplay porn and run leasure suit larry and all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


One thing o you almighty authority figure. Where did i actually whine? I probably must do some search anf find what "whine" actually means, because im officially lost now. IF i JUST ONCE put here one thing that is LITTLE worrying, then BAM here comes the fanboi army and start this Whine this whine that BS. Tell me honestly, how many times my nick have appeared in those countless "real" whining threads? You probably dont even know my nick and that is because i hardly ever post anything, exept to get some help in some technical issues. And now im whiner? me who is patiently waited these updates without putting any trouble to it. Day after day it becomes more clearly that this is not place to me.

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
One thing o you almighty authority figure. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes my son?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Where did i actually whine? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where? Here.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I´m not happy if new new flight models make it so heavy that my PC cant run it properly anymore. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
and here.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
But if new fligt models turn this game unplayable to us lower end PC owners then why the he** i should be happy? You know that all of us cant buy new hardware all the time? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In that YOU feel the gaming market should cater to the low end systems at the cost of not giving the medium and high end users better stuff.. Problem is most of the market for games is with the medium and high end users.. Conflicts that a god like me should step in and settle once and for all.. But I belive in free will, thus I dont. But I have told many of my children that flight sims are an expensive hobby.. You have to keep up and stay in the medium market to enjoy them.. Otherwise you will be left behind.. And to ask the market to stay where it is so YOU can enjoy it is selfish and will not reflect on you kindly on your day of reckoning.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I probably must do some search anf find what "whine" actually means, because im officially lost now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Simple, get a mirror.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
IF i JUST ONCE put here one thing that is LITTLE worrying, then BAM here comes the fanboi army and start this Whine this whine that BS. Tell me honestly, how many times my nick have appeared in those countless "real" whining threads? You probably dont even know my nick and that is because i hardly ever post anything, exept to get some help in some technical issues. And now im whiner? me who is patiently waited these updates without putting any trouble to it. Day after day it becomes more clearly that this is not place to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, my son, I know all niks, but I base my whine accusations on a case by case bases to be fair to my children.. A sin is a sin.. Ten sins are as bad as one in my book.. And if you want your name writen in my book you will have to shape up!

flyingscampi
03-21-2005, 09:53 AM
Good post Reddeth.

It would probably be better that the developers did not show development updates or mention anything about future patches until they're
released.

That way you won't get a thousand threads full of people moaning about something that hasn't been released yet.

Ok PF has a few holes, but there's plenty to be getting on with until they're filled.

Maasi
03-21-2005, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
One thing o you almighty authority figure. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes my son?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Where did i actually whine? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where? Here.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I´m not happy if new new flight models make it so heavy that my PC cant run it properly anymore. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
and here.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
But if new fligt models turn this game unplayable to us lower end PC owners then why the he** i should be happy? You know that all of us cant buy new hardware all the time? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In that YOU feel the gaming market should cater to the low end systems at the cost of not giving the medium and high end users better stuff.. Problem is most of the market for games is with the medium and high end users.. Conflicts that a god like me should step in and settle once and for all.. But I belive in free will, thus I dont. But I have told many of my children that flight sims are an expensive hobby.. You have to keep up and stay in the medium market to enjoy them.. Otherwise you will be left behind.. And to ask the market to stay where it is so YOU can enjoy it is selfish and will not reflect on you kindly on your day of reckoning.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I probably must do some search anf find what "whine" actually means, because im officially lost now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Simple, get a mirror.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
IF i JUST ONCE put here one thing that is LITTLE worrying, then BAM here comes the fanboi army and start this Whine this whine that BS. Tell me honestly, how many times my nick have appeared in those countless "real" whining threads? You probably dont even know my nick and that is because i hardly ever post anything, exept to get some help in some technical issues. And now im whiner? me who is patiently waited these updates without putting any trouble to it. Day after day it becomes more clearly that this is not place to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, my son, I know all niks, but I base my whine accusations on a case by case bases to be fair to my children.. A sin is a sin.. Ten sins are as bad as one in my book.. And if you want your name writen in my book you will have to shape up! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh you creator of the worlds, the divine light, ever streaming Missisippi river of thoughs, I´m still lost in dark and so scared! Would you tell me few more things?

A)Where did i mention that i assume that games should be created to meet my specs? nor wher i was saying that nobody else cant have goodies because i probably wont? I run XP2600+ so its not that bad
B) Did you notice one sentence where i was simply hoping that they put these new FMs optional? Optional that there is chance to use old ones if your PC have difficulties to run it, and those who dont have probs. can turn anything to mega?
C) The part where you said that im selfish can be turned around of course, you are selfish because you only think things from your perspective, but i dont say that, really, because i only want everybody wins situation here. You can have your cool new features i dont mind, i just only want to fly my favourite sim furthermore(?) so i was hoping optional FMs if they turned to be real recource hog. GET IT?

I know i have greatly sinned so please oh you divine. Pass my sentence

Gr7_Bizu-RO
03-21-2005, 10:48 AM
Ex-whinner chaotic thoughts.

1.If this patch is so complex i agree to pay for it.
2.For the future, all the developments should be made in secret.No leaks.Released when ready will make a nice surprise.
3.It is the best ww2 flying simulator to date. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
4.How can someone steal Pf and pay for it
later? I,m puzzled on that one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

5. I would release a free patch with the
Flyable Betty to shut up some people.

6.You should update u r system to keep up with the new software..Lowend machine? Go play tetris or solitaire.

7.I like BOx-Weasel,s posting on page 1.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I use to be bitter like sukebeboy.But i take my medicine now and i feel the love for UBISOFT again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

8.RedDeth,were do you get your informations? Are you involved with the development of this patch?

Supr
03-21-2005, 11:05 AM
PF should have been released as a expansion pack only. That way, no cfs2 kiddy whines.

d.burnette
03-21-2005, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Supr:
PF should have been released as a expansion pack only. That way, no cfs2 kiddy whines. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No kidding!
This is the most incredible thread I think I have ever seen..
This sim is undoubtedly the most indepth, and most well supported, of any sim I have seen to date. I have gotten every penny of my money's worth, and then some. From what I can see, Oleg and company have gone way above and beyond the call of duty.
Very impressive in my eyes!
Sadly, the days of developers like this are few and far between, we are lucky these guys are doing what they are doing. They could have very easily called it a day on IL2FB/AEP/PF! And I would have been very happy with what I already have...

nearmiss
03-21-2005, 11:28 AM
The boards carry this negative tone, with lots of negative banter before patch releases.

The http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif funny thing is...everyone is amazed beyond belief at the extra work Oleg and 1C: always put into the patches.

I've been surprised and amazed at how much beyond what I would have thought would be included...is included. (I got that thought said in one sentence)http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I just know I'll be happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Oh you creator of the worlds, the divine light, ever streaming Missisippi river of thoughs, I´m still lost in dark and so scared! Would you tell me few more things? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Gladly my son.. Just one second while I part this sea over here... Emmmmmmm.. Ok, what do you need?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
A)Where did i mention that i assume that games should be created to meet my specs? nor wher i was saying that nobody else cant have goodies because i probably wont? I run XP2600+ so its not that bad <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>When you said you would be upset if it does not run well on your PC.. Next.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
B) Did you notice one sentence where i was simply hoping that they put these new FMs optional? Optional that there is chance to use old ones if your PC have difficulties to run it, and those who dont have probs. can turn anything to mega? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, but no, even the all mighty.. i.e. me does not like to have several version of one thing running around.. Just too much work.. Which is why I killed off all the cavemen.. Well actually I didn't do it, I had the likes of you doing it.. Think of the cavemen as my old FM and you are my new FM.. Would it be fair to have both running around at the same time? Imagine seeing one of those cave women in a short miniskirt.. Euuuuu.. Now tell me they are not better off dead?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
C) The part where you said that im selfish can be turned around of course, you are selfish because you only think things from your perspective, but i dont say that, really, because i only want everybody wins situation here. You can have your cool new features i don't mind, i just only want to fly my favourite sim furthermore(?) so i was hoping optional FMs <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, that warm fuzzy, everybody is happy stuff only works here in heaven.. Well sometimes on TV.. But mostly here in heaven.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I know i have greatly sinned so please oh you divine. Pass my sentence <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That will have to wait until judgement day.

crazyivan1970
03-21-2005, 11:50 AM
Speculations...speculations. Where is his post Oleg said "many" word?

crazyivan1970
03-21-2005, 11:51 AM
TAGERT. Stop quoting everything you making me dizzy and angry at the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RedDeth
03-21-2005, 11:53 AM
first off i am NOT a fanboy.

ive hated olegs IL-2 from the beginning. didnt like it. but after 23 patches then Forgotten Battles then Pacific Fighters the guy has shown one thing.

oleg is a workaholic. main complaint is the betty. ok fine he tried to get it in. obviously its done now. would you have preferred to wait 6 more months for PF to come out? or get the game when you got it and get the betty now?

second canucksledge. your post... "I filed a complaint with the Canadian Government's Competition Bureau against Ubi's Canadian Office. I've contacted Ubi a number of times via phone and mail regarding their website still telling everyone that the game has this stuff, and despite being assured they are wrong for doing and are going to fix it, this they still have it up. I'm sorry if this cheeses all the groupies, but there's a legal definition of right and wrong, and the only way to find this out is to ask people in authority to investigate. It just doesn't sit right with me that this is happening. Just cause you order a pizza advertised with certain ingredients that doesn't come as advertised doesn't mean once you get your money back you allow the company to continue doing it to others. That's morally irresponsible, no? Allowing a crime to continue with your knowledge? It also doesn't mean that if you decide to keep it you should shut up. "


canucksledge your saying oleg broke law and is a criminal and you filed with your government to give oleg hell.

did u ever think he released the game for your benefit? instead of making you wait six more months? anyone that sues oleg or files complaints against him is sick in the head. i suppose you contact a lawyer if your chinese food doesnt have chopsticks and soy sauce when you get home too? my god i cant even express proper words here or id get banned.


again oleg has been working on this product nonstop forever. IL2 is olegs entire life. does he get rich on it? doubtful. he probably only sees about 8 cents on the dollar after all the costs and outside companies get theirs. and after all the lawsuits from plane manufacturers and theft of his games online downloading how much profit does oleg make? hes probably almost gone out of business a couple of times due to lawyer fees and such.

and canucksledge has the gaul to file with his government about truth in advertising. i guess he should have paid even more money to change the cover and slow the game down another 2 weeks after he had already paid for the cover with betty and had them sitting in his warehouse. then when he finds out betty wont be ready when others said it would he has to make all new boxes new advertising etc and eat that cost too.

or could he just add the betty later for free with tons more free stuff? no no no. we must sue oleg for false advertising.

just when you thought online gamers could whine no worse someone turns in oleg for being a criminal in canada.


guess he should take part of his profits and return it to all the customers he wronged. oh wait hes probably in debt for putting out this free add on so you will have to send HIM money for your share of what your owed.

im too sick to continue.

CHAV_
03-21-2005, 11:54 AM
I can feel an upgrade burning a hole in my credit card already.

http://www.gamespec.co.uk/ready%20for%20bob%20.jpg

RedDeth
03-21-2005, 11:58 AM
looool

TAGERTS god reply takes the cake for funniest post of the YEAR.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool !

Maasi
03-21-2005, 12:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Oh you creator of the worlds, the divine light, ever streaming Missisippi river of thoughs, I´m still lost in dark and so scared! Would you tell me few more things? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Gladly my son.. Just one second while I part this sea over here... Emmmmmmm.. Ok, what do you need?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
A)Where did i mention that i assume that games should be created to meet my specs? nor wher i was saying that nobody else cant have goodies because i probably wont? I run XP2600+ so its not that bad <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>When you said you would be upset if it does not run well on your PC.. Next.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
B) Did you notice one sentence where i was simply hoping that they put these new FMs optional? Optional that there is chance to use old ones if your PC have difficulties to run it, and those who dont have probs. can turn anything to mega? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, but no, even the all mighty.. i.e. me does not like to have several version of one thing running around.. Just too much work.. Which is why I killed off all the cavemen.. Well actually I didn't do it, I had the likes of you doing it.. Think of the cavemen as my old FM and you are my new FM.. Would it be fair to have both running around at the same time? Imagine seeing one of those cave women in a short miniskirt.. Euuuuu.. Now tell me they are not better off dead?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
C) The part where you said that im selfish can be turned around of course, you are selfish because you only think things from your perspective, but i dont say that, really, because i only want everybody wins situation here. You can have your cool new features i don't mind, i just only want to fly my favourite sim furthermore(?) so i was hoping optional FMs <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, that warm fuzzy, everybody is happy stuff only works here in heaven.. Well sometimes on TV.. But mostly here in heaven.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I know i have greatly sinned so please oh you divine. Pass my sentence <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That will have to wait until judgement day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


THANK YOU! I have seen the light, the darkness that surrounded me is gone. O You brighest of the bright you tropical storm of wisdom, i have found the truth, and hereby i tell you now this. I will tell my beloved that i will go to pilgrimage. I will gather my posessions and tarvel across deserts and seas to marketplace, and there i will search until i found the right temple, and there i will sacrifice my earthly posessions to god of hardware. And for that, he will reward me with gifts, and with these gifts i will continue my attempts to run this another gift of god(s). Thank you again!

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
TAGERT. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes my son?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Stop quoting everything <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
you making me dizzy and angry at the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What do you perfer? A burning bush? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 01:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
THANK YOU! I have seen the light, the darkness that surrounded me is gone. O You brighest of the bright you tropical storm of wisdom, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A simple, "My Lord" will do.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
i have found the truth, and hereby i tell you now this. I will tell my beloved that i will go to pilgrimage. I will gather my posessions and tarvel across deserts and seas to marketplace, and there i will search until i found the right temple, and there i will sacrifice my earthly posessions to god of hardware. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How can you afford a trip (pilgrimage) when you can not afford a new video card?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
And for that, he will reward me with gifts, and with these gifts i will continue my attempts to run this another gift of god(s). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now that you have tasted the forbiden fruit of hardware knolage, you must leave this place of min requirments and fordge a life with the rest of the *users* in the mid to top-of-line world.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
Thank you again! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Anything for you my son!

Maasi
03-21-2005, 01:18 PM
I will walk, swim and crawl. And i will suffer, but in the end im rewarded. Thats how i can afford it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

arjisme
03-21-2005, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
second canucksledge. your post... [...]

canucksledge your saying oleg broke law and is a criminal and you filed with your government to give oleg hell.

did u ever think he released the game for your benefit? instead of making you wait six more months? anyone that sues oleg or files complaints against him is sick in the head. i suppose you contact a lawyer if your chinese food doesnt have chopsticks and soy sauce when you get home too? my god i cant even express proper words here or id get banned. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What you don't understand is that canucksledge is a "crusader." He has found a cause for which he is convinced he is in the absolute right and will prosecute it at all costs, apart from any sense of proportion.

And what is the great offense over which he rails? That PF does not come with a flyable Betty. Also, that the official web sites continue to advertise that it does come with the flyable Betty. You see, without the flyable Betty, PF does not deliver all that was promised in its promotional materials. And, if it falls even a small amount short of those promises, all the mitigating factors around that should be ignored (i.e. Oleg's record of ongoing support, release of freebies that no one was ever promised or ever had to pay for, the soon to be released patch 4.0, which will include the famous missing flyable Betty, along with many, many other bonuses, including a new FM that should bring even greater realism to the sim). Indeed, it is more appropriate to stand tall and pure, empowered by one's spent money, and beat Oleg down in order to teach him a lesson. It is really the only way.

So, please, do not stand between the man and his chosen mission. He is busy setting the world to right.

Note: knowing how folks can be in this forum, I feel it is necessary to say: Please read the above remarks with the sarcasm intended.

goshikisen
03-21-2005, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ar****e:
Indeed, it is more appropriate to stand tall and pure, empowered by one's spent money, and beat Oleg down in order to teach him a lesson. It is really the only way.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Insert well used "cutting off his nose to spite his face" cliche here.

I think when we look at the scale and measure the value added vs. missing content balance we find the Betty hardly figures. Especially when Oleg has already said that he's going to add it in the near future.

The "anti-whine" folks out there have to remember that most of the critics know a good thing when they see it... they just want that good thing really good. I thank the folks who bring up the issues... they help make this sim as good as it is and they keep things honest.

Ships... PF needs ships. One Japanese Cruiser, One Japanese Battleship and One US Battleship. Had to get that in there.

Regards, Goshikien.

Slammin_
03-21-2005, 01:51 PM
Man, even I'm not dumb enough to screw around with Tagert like that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Consider yourself skewled young man.

DuxCorvan
03-21-2005, 01:57 PM
Man, I wish there were a printed version of this thread... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_115.gif

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I will walk, swim and crawl. And i will suffer, but in the end im rewarded. Thats how i can afford it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! The last guy that busted his hump for me like that I rewarded him with his own cross. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-21-2005, 02:18 PM
You people that are afraid you will not be able to run FB/PF after new FM need to relax abit. If you can run the game now smoothly you will able to do so after 4.0...be sure. If Oleg really thought that nobody could run it he would not add it. Instead he would add a beta patch with new FM on it seperately. IMO he states the things he does just incase there are those who have problems. But most will not.

People can not expect game developers to hold back on thier technology just because some people dont want to upgrade thier PCs. If the majority can run it then that is all that matters. Your 1500MHZ CPU, 256MBRAM and G4MX 64MB is not going to last foreverhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you dont want concerned with upgrading, patching, ect. then buy a console http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

strewth
03-21-2005, 02:32 PM
Note to Oleg:

Oleg,

Please issue a patch with a flyable betty only.

Then release an expansion pack for FB+AEP+PF+??? and charge what you are entitled to for it.

I surely shall buy it and those whining sods can have their flying tinder box (betty). It appears that some people have no gratitude or appreciation for your efforts. The man has pushed simming to new heights and still these twits cannot be satisfied.

Whatever Oleg does, I hope he doesn't think all this whining is the norm and give up on us. As stated earlier "talk about bite off your nose to spite your face". Were any of you blokes silly enough to buy CFS3 and did you carry on this poorly. I bought it, got ripped, filed it and found something better (pacman seemed better though imho). So as we keep saying. If it is really that bad and unbearable. Don't play it! There is nothing wrong with asking questions (politely). But to come in with guns a blazing refering to Oleg as a liar and theif especially with no proof and against Olegs previous track record is a pretty poor display of a civilized request.

Maasi
03-21-2005, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I will walk, swim and crawl. And i will suffer, but in the end im rewarded. Thats how i can afford it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! The last guy that busted his hump for me like that I rewarded him with his own cross. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was just actually thinking that you have very good sense of humour because you took my silly **** and turned that hilarious God stuff on, and because of that i just put some more without actually anything personally in it, just few lame jokes. Oh well i guess i was wrong. Anyway i posted my worries, put few though to them today and i come to conclusion that things probably arent that bad.

And Tagert, if you really are pissed then my apologies, i didnt want to insult you in any personal way,i just have odd sense of humour.

Dexmeister
03-21-2005, 03:20 PM
Will this patch finally fix that !@#$en problem with the !@#$ !@#$in Stuka's gear not going up? MAN aLiVe, first things first!

Dexmeister
03-21-2005, 03:34 PM
Before this thread gets carried away I'd like to try to reel us all back in a few miles.

First of all, does anyone know if this will be included in 4.0:

http://www.asic.ca/images/liger.jpg

It's a Liger, a cross between a Lion and a Tiger, bred for it's magical abilities.

Oh, and I found an old photo of some guys from the BlitzPigs squad. Now here's a group of guys that have supreme skills! Last I heard two of them were cagefighters, one was outside feeding Tina that fat lard. Figured I'd let everyone know what real hardcore IL2 pilots look like.


http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean1.jpg

Bearcat99
03-21-2005, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dexmeister:
Will this patch finally fix that !@#$en problem with the !@#$ !@#$in Stuka's gear not going up? MAN aLiVe, first things first! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFLMAO!!

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I was just actually thinking that you have very good sense of humour because you took my silly **** and turned that hilarious God stuff on, and because of that i just put some more without actually anything personally in it, just few lame jokes. Oh well i guess i was wrong. Anyway i posted my worries, put few though to them today and i come to conclusion that things probably arent that bad.

And Tagert, if you really are pissed then my apologies, i didnt want to insult you in any personal way,i just have odd sense of humour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Pfft! Dude, no ill will here! As a mater of fact, there is nobody here worth getting upset about! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif As for conclusion, yeah, unless your an OFFLINE guy I wouldnt worry one bit.

Supr
03-21-2005, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dexmeister:
Will this patch finally fix that !@#$en problem with the !@#$ !@#$in Stuka's gear not going up? MAN aLiVe, first things first! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You'd think in almost 4 yrs, someone would have noticed. Good thing they break off easy enough.

Oh, who's that guy on the left? I think i know him.

canucksledge
03-21-2005, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
first off i am NOT a fanboy.

ive hated olegs IL-2 from the beginning. didnt like it. but after 23 patches then Forgotten Battles then Pacific Fighters the guy has shown one thing.

oleg is a workaholic. main complaint is the betty. ok fine he tried to get it in. obviously its done now. would you have preferred to wait 6 more months for PF to come out? or get the game when you got it and get the betty now?

second canucksledge. your post... "I filed a complaint with the Canadian Government's Competition Bureau against Ubi's Canadian Office. I've contacted Ubi a number of times via phone and mail regarding their website still telling everyone that the game has this stuff, and despite being assured they are wrong for doing and are going to fix it, this they still have it up. I'm sorry if this cheeses all the groupies, but there's a legal definition of right and wrong, and the only way to find this out is to ask people in authority to investigate. It just doesn't sit right with me that this is happening. Just cause you order a pizza advertised with certain ingredients that doesn't come as advertised doesn't mean once you get your money back you allow the company to continue doing it to others. That's morally irresponsible, no? Allowing a crime to continue with your knowledge? It also doesn't mean that if you decide to keep it you should shut up. "


canucksledge your saying oleg broke law and is a criminal and you filed with your government to give oleg hell.

did u ever think he released the game for your benefit? instead of making you wait six more months? anyone that sues oleg or files complaints against him is sick in the head. i suppose you contact a lawyer if your chinese food doesnt have chopsticks and soy sauce when you get home too? my god i cant even express proper words here or id get banned.


again oleg has been working on this product nonstop forever. IL2 is olegs entire life. does he get rich on it? doubtful. he probably only sees about 8 cents on the dollar after all the costs and outside companies get theirs. and after all the lawsuits from plane manufacturers and theft of his games online downloading how much profit does oleg make? hes probably almost gone out of business a couple of times due to lawyer fees and such.

and canucksledge has the gaul to file with his government about truth in advertising. i guess he should have paid even more money to change the cover and slow the game down another 2 weeks after he had already paid for the cover with betty and had them sitting in his warehouse. then when he finds out betty wont be ready when others said it would he has to make all new boxes new advertising etc and eat that cost too.

or could he just add the betty later for free with tons more free stuff? no no no. we must sue oleg for false advertising.

just when you thought online gamers could whine no worse someone turns in oleg for being a criminal in canada.


guess he should take part of his profits and return it to all the customers he wronged. oh wait hes probably in debt for putting out this free add on so you will have to send HIM money for your share of what your owed.

im too sick to continue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you read a single word I posted? Where did I mention Oleg? I don't know Oleg from John down the road. All I know is that I didn't get wehat I payed for, and that Ubisoft Canada has lied to me. I don't recall mentioning a single thing abouyt Oleg. Or invaders from Mars just in case you saw that somewhere in my post as well.

EnGaurde
03-21-2005, 04:59 PM
die, useless circling poisonous thread, dear god please just DIE.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

canucksledge
03-21-2005, 05:03 PM
Also, a second to ar****e. If Pf was the first product I ever bought from Ubisoft, and I bought it as a standalone, and I had never heard of the IL2 series (all true, btw) then you show me where I am seeing any sort of patch track record? Lets discuss the product under which this forum is based. I doin't see the great support you are talking about. We are 4 patches into it, almost 5 months from release date, and we still don't have a complete as advertised packag, or a expected release date. I could go on about all my yesterdays too...but we're talking about today.

bolillo_loco
03-21-2005, 05:07 PM
im reddeth bashing, you know red I dread these patches. not one of them fixes anything or makes the sim more realistic. the term flight sim is redick for this game.........it should be sold as a combat flight game. I do not mind patches that fix bugs, but to hail a patch as the end all be all like you always do is silly.

as for the poor guy, there isnt a computer today that will run this game with everything maxed out with 30-50 people in the game and not suffer from a game pause every now and again, much less get 100+ fps. the game obviously is poorly written. eye candy?? I could care less about eye candy, the original IL-2 looked just fine to me and it took 1/10th the machine to run it. in the looks department IL-2 is 90% of fb, aep, and pf. perfect mode to me looks obviously fake like there is something wrong with it, similar to a sex change...........you notice at first glance that something is horribly wrong and un-natural.

I think of the poor man who cannot afford new computers but once every five years or so, and that is a struggle for them.

I have plenty of computer myself to run this game so I do not suffer from computer envy.

PIV 4.1Ghz, 2048mb ram, leadtek 6800GT 256mb

bolillo_loco
03-21-2005, 05:12 PM
p/s I have heard you celebrate atleast 6-8 patches so far, gabbing for hours about how cool the new planes are, but after a few hours in them they are toosed quickly forgotten, doomed to be hanger queens like 90% of the a/c in this game. I have never seen such a crowd of "new planes needed junkies" it reminds me of working with crack heads. Im with the last guy, lets focus less on eye candy and new planes and more on functionality of the game, after that we can discuss flight models.....and then new planes and eye candy, get the priorities straight.

arjisme
03-21-2005, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by canucksledge:
Also, a second to ar****e. If Pf was the first product I ever bought from Ubisoft, and I bought it as a standalone, and I had never heard of the IL2 series (all true, btw) then you show me where I am seeing any sort of patch track record? Lets discuss the product under which this forum is based. I doin't see the great support you are talking about. We are 4 patches into it, almost 5 months from release date, and we still don't have a complete as advertised packag, or a expected release date. I could go on about all my yesterdays too...but we're talking about today. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Four patches in five months, with a promised huge fifth one on the way and you see no evidence of support. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You're argument would have more credence if you were truly a newbie here. However, you have been on these boards long enough to learn about the history of this series. Just in the threads I have seen you participate in, I know this is not news to you by now. Perhaps you personally have not experienced the support that so many others here can and do attest to. Unless you are prepared to call those folks uninformed on the subject, I would think you should think it is you who is wrong on this matter.

But, I am violating my own advice earlier here. Good luck on your project to build a better world. We all want that.

RedDeth
03-21-2005, 06:35 PM
bolillo i have never hyped a patch before. i talk down patches normally. telling people that think certain uber planes will be in a patch that they wont be. im usually correct. what i am doing bolilo is anti whining . some guys have been posting for a week how things are going to be horrible and how they got screwed.

for everyone else out there in forum land bolillo loco is my wingman and he is an IIIDio........ oh never mind ill just get on comms with him and argue for hours. thats more fun than this anyways.

canucksledge. who will suffer for your attack on pacific fighters? oleg will .


oh and bolillo i know where you live.

why in the world did i ever get stuck with bolillo?????? he is my stalker wingman from hades.

Dexmeister
03-21-2005, 07:29 PM
I dunno, maybe we can build Oleg a cake or something?

http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean2.jpg

RedDeth
03-21-2005, 08:19 PM
dude that movie was so stupid i couldnt stand it. but afterwards.......weeks later.... i crack up thinking about it. definitely a cult classic type movie.

the dance scene was the bombedest!

fordfan25
03-21-2005, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
I was just actually thinking that you have very good sense of humour because you took my silly **** and turned that hilarious God stuff on, and because of that i just put some more without actually anything personally in it, just few lame jokes. Oh well i guess i was wrong. Anyway i posted my worries, put few though to them today and i come to conclusion that things probably arent that bad.

And Tagert, if you really are pissed then my apologies, i didnt want to insult you in any personal way,i just have odd sense of humour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Pfft! Dude, no ill will here! As a mater of fact, there is nobody here worth getting upset about! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif As for conclusion, yeah, unless your an OFFLINE guy I wouldnt worry one bit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and what about the offliners? i keep hearing that. are you guys sayn that the onliners are worth more than the offliners? or is it just that you are mostly online flyers and thats what is realy important to you and no one else matters? so let me get this right as long as the online players are still able to play then thats what matters because the off likners didnt pay the same money for the game or thay dont injoy it as much? im not trying to be rude but thats the way it sounds to me guys. if im misunderstang then forgive me and explain it toi me.

WTE_Gog
03-21-2005, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cornay:
Lots of angst here.

Just wait for the patch/addon and then decide.

Everything else is so much speculation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very wise words Grasshopper...........so how long would be classified as a respectable waiting period??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

TAGERT.
03-21-2005, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and what about the offliners? i keep hearing that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My *guess* that *if* there is any problem, aka hit to FPS, due to the more complex FM it will only show up in OFFLINE play where YOUR PC has to calculate ALL the aircraft in the air, yours, and each AI plane. Which is not the case for ONLINE play, YOUR PC only has to calculate YOUR AIRCRAFTS FM. The other users PC's are calculating thier own FM.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
are you guys sayn that the onliners are worth more than the offliners? or is it just that you are mostly online flyers and thats what is realy important to you and no one else matters? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Worth more? I dont recal saying that? I did say something to the effect that OFFLINERS are anti socal nerds that dont need friends, thus save alot of money not partying on the weekens with their friends, thus can affored a better PC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
so let me get this right as long as the online players are still able to play then thats what matters because the off likners didnt pay the same money for the game or thay dont injoy it as much? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I never thought about it like that.. But, now that you mention it, your RIGHT!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
im not trying to be rude but thats the way it sounds to me guys. if im misunderstang then forgive me and explain it toi me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your misunderstanding, nothing to do with who is better, just stating the facts, and that this is an expensive hobby, upgrade or get out of the way.

Badsight.
03-21-2005, 10:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
gabbing for hours about how cool the new planes are, but after a few hours in them they are toosed quickly forgotten, doomed to be hanger queens like 90% of the a/c in this game. . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Coop more

DF is just for quaking , fun - but not the best use of the sim

JR_Greenhorn
03-21-2005, 10:47 PM
<span class="ev_code_grey"></span>
fordfan, what are you on about? Of course the offliners don't matter! <span class="ev_code_grey"></span>

RedDeth
03-22-2005, 12:41 AM
whats an offliner? i thought they were just a myth!

The-Lost-Wiggle
03-22-2005, 01:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
and id say a LARGE group of online pilots STILL havent paid oleg for getting P.F. for free.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow thats a bold statment, Is your's an original copy? If so prove it!

carguy_
03-22-2005, 03:23 AM
Hmmm...

Read some of the stuff,nothing new since the last "leave Oleg alone" thread.

How can one think of persuading ppl to actually look objectively at the ase,face all the facts?This is pointless.

I will not be shocked if Oleg and team says "F#ck you all,I`m making a nice WWII FPS game.No flight sims ever".

Frankly the community deserves it.And after that we see "Booohoo why did he leave booho".Pathetic.

I have been playing games since `92.Never have I seen such commitment of a developer and his good souls supporting him from the start(Jiri Footjasek being one of them).

Those who call Oleg a liar do not know what they`re talking about entirely.

Gr7_Bizu-RO
03-22-2005, 03:29 AM
hmm.

JG53Frankyboy
03-22-2005, 03:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and what about the offliners? i keep hearing that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My *guess* that *if* there is any problem, aka hit to FPS, due to the more complex FM it will only show up in OFFLINE play where YOUR PC has to calculate ALL the aircraft in the air, yours, and each AI plane. Which is not the case for ONLINE play, YOUR PC only has to calculate YOUR AIRCRAFTS FM. The other users PC's are calculating thier own FM.

................ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

just to remember, online play is more than only gunslinging dogfightservers !
COOP is very important for online wars - and not only for them

nyarla2
03-22-2005, 03:56 AM
Sorry but I`m with Box_Weasel.

Oh s/he was on the first page of the topic.

I have a nasty feeling that all the rest of you need to GET A LIFE.

Yes just like the elderly ones amongst you I purchased F15 for the Speccie. Actually I had about 30 paper and pencil Flight sims by then including that marvellous one by SPI that took 4 hours to game every 2.5 second turn.
Oh yes Air Warrior.

I`ve had ZX80`s, Spectrums, Atari`s, Acorns, C64`s,286`s,Pentiums et all.

Ubi`s product is the dog`s bollocks and also flawed and will be supplanted next year by a product that.... See above!


Just shut up and enjoy what you have or alternatively stop haunting forums/ the huns yellow pages and go out and meet someone of the opposite sex and possibly find something else to whine about.

Grin:

Maasi
03-22-2005, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> GET A LIFE. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do they sell that in economy sized and prized packages? You know i have little financial troubles and im stuggling to get new HW and if LIFE is wery expensive i must really think about my priorities.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>go out and meet someone of the opposite sex: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But i dont know what to do in those situations. Would you be kind enough and PM some pointers?

nyarla2
03-22-2005, 04:34 AM
Yep no problem.
Someone remind me how to post pics, sorry just of 15 hour nightshift and wait till I wake up and I`ll post a step by step in pictures series for those with learning probs.

Catch you after at least 12 hours z`ds.

Nyarla

Maasi
03-22-2005, 04:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nyarla2:
Yep no problem.
Someone remind me how to post pics, sorry just of 15 hour nightshift and wait till I wake up and I`ll post a step by step in pictures series for those with learning probs.

Catch you after at least 12 hours z`ds.

Nyarla <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, now on the second though, no need to do that. I probably get so scared that all i can do ishttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

nyarla2
03-22-2005, 04:52 AM
Don`t worry Maasi even real men cry very in frequently. I know, I screamed my f**king lungs out when I burst one coming up to fast after a problem on the Margaf in Scapa.

nyarla2
03-22-2005, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nyarla2:
Don`t worry Maasi even real men cry, very in frequently.

I know, I screamed my f**king lungs out when I burst one coming up to fast after a problem on the Margraf in Scapa. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

EnGaurde
03-22-2005, 05:01 AM
i think im seeing the classic situation...

cant please everyone, just gotta please yourself.

hopefully Oleg ( wont read or laughs his head off at these pages of rancid bickering sh!te ) will simply ignore all the whiners of any description, and keep making quality genre breaking sims.

aahh.... im so relaxed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Maasi
03-22-2005, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:.

ignore all the whiners of any description.

aahh.... im so relaxed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good! There you go you big strong alpha male you. You have let out you deep feelings. You now feel that you belong to somewhere, you feel that you stand with the righteous. You are on a mission to destroy all the WHINERS of any description. Because WHINERS are lowest of the low. Everybody who dares to say anything negative must be silenced. That is what free speech is all about after all.
(not to be taken too seriously!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

BTW: isn´t "pages of rancid bickering sh!te" little stong expression here, i have seen much uglier stuff in some other "whining" threads? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JFC_danger
03-22-2005, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The-Lost-Wiggle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
and id say a LARGE group of online pilots STILL havent paid oleg for getting P.F. for free.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow thats a bold statment, Is your's an original copy? If so prove it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

mine is an original, like all the 1c sims i have bought, and the other 3 pf copies i have bought for xmass prezzies,how do you prove it?
lol.
oh and carguy , what u say may be correct, but you have to remember one iddy biddy little point, Freedom of Speach
S!~

TAGERT.
03-22-2005, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
just to remember, online play is more than only gunslinging dogfightservers ! COOP is very important for online wars - and not only for them <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hard for me to forget, in that I pointed it out.. A COOP should not be a problem as long as all planes are manned.. Assuming that AI planes are a problem.. We wont know for sure until all is said a done.

bolillo_loco
03-22-2005, 12:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
bolillo i have never hyped a patch before. i talk down patches normally. telling people that think certain uber planes will be in a patch that they wont be. im usually correct. what i am doing bolilo is anti whining . some guys have been posting for a week how things are going to be horrible and how they got screwed.

for everyone else out there in forum land bolillo loco is my wingman and he is an IIIDio........ oh never mind ill just get on comms with him and argue for hours. thats more fun than this anyways.

canucksledge. who will suffer for your attack on pacific fighters? oleg will .


oh and bolillo i know where you live.

why in the world did i ever get stuck with bolillo?????? he is my stalker wingman from hades. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

red you hype every patch that comes out :O I think I am going to stay off line for a while yet. things are not going well.

BTW where did you find this pic of reddeth aka "RayBanJockey"? he is the one in the middle.

http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean1.jpg

bolillo_loco
03-22-2005, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Hmmm...

Read some of the stuff,nothing new since the last "leave Oleg alone" thread.

How can one think of persuading ppl to actually look objectively at the ase,face all the facts?This is pointless.

I will not be shocked if Oleg and team says "F#ck you all,I`m making a nice WWII FPS game.No flight sims ever".

Frankly the community deserves it.And after that we see "Booohoo why did he leave booho".Pathetic.

I have been playing games since `92.Never have I seen such commitment of a developer and his good souls supporting him from the start(Jiri Footjasek being one of them).

Those who call Oleg a liar do not know what they`re talking about entirely. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

why should I pay hommage to oleg? I have already bought 4 of his games. he is here to serve me not me to serve him. whether or not he makes a patch or another game I could care less infact I wish he would quit doing it. This game is not the "greatest flight sim out there" IMO.

I am only at this game because this is where the people are. I wish he would stop making games myself because I am sick of fighting uber axis and russian aircraft.

RedDeth
03-22-2005, 01:02 PM
only an iiiiiidiot would think i am RBJ

moonsign
03-22-2005, 01:04 PM
About not having enough "horsepower". If you can't run with the "Big Dog's" then stay on the porch. You wanta play, you got to pay. No free rides.

Hoatee
03-22-2005, 01:13 PM
Cost is relative. The price for some of us is 'free' but for others it involves the added purchase of pc parts (or wholes).

My pc is just a little over one year old. And I can run the latest version of AEP - yet already the new water effects hit my fps badly. But it doesn't worry me as I prefer air to air combat.

The life expectancy of pc's is a relevant part of the equation.

DIRTY-MAC
03-22-2005, 01:41 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm....I SE A PATTERN HERE!.....

Airmail109
03-22-2005, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:.

ignore all the whiners of any description.

aahh.... im so relaxed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good! There you go you big strong alpha male you. You have let out you deep feelings. You now feel that you belong to somewhere, you feel that you stand with the righteous. You are on a mission to destroy all the WHINERS of any description. Because WHINERS are lowest of the low. Everybody who dares to say anything negative must be silenced. That is what free speech is all about after all.
(not to be taken too seriously!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

BTW: isn´t "pages of rancid bickering sh!te" little stong expression here, i have seen much uglier stuff in some other "whining" threads? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://lightsout.onestop.net/noonecares.jpg

strewth
03-22-2005, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
why should I pay hommage to oleg? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nobody said you had to pay homage to Oleg! However a bit of common courtesy wouldn't hurt, would it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
I have already bought 4 of his games. he is here to serve me not me to serve him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oleg is NOT here to serve anyone! He has developed a game and offered it for sale. What an ignorant statement. It is box headed statements that proves the calibre of some of the people on these forums. You my friend have just proved yourself to be a clown of the first order by such a statement.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
whether or not he makes a patch or another game I could care less infact I wish he would quit doing it. This game is not the "greatest flight sim out there" IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WHY ---OH WHY do you annoy us and bag our less than perfect sim then? You know where the door is, don't you? Feel free to exit at any time. There may be some of us here that wish people like you just quit and shove off. you appear to really be on a roll of stupid statements here mate. There is a difference between free speech and a twit just shooting off their mouth. You have so far displayed the intelligence and tact of tinea (that's a foot fungus) and have managed to take whinging to a whole new dimension. Don't forget that EXIT sign behind you. All IMHO of course and just expressing my freedom of speech.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
I am only at this game because this is where the people are. I wish he would stop making games myself because I am sick of fighting uber axis and russian aircraft. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As stated. USE THE DOOR! - GOOD BYE! - DON"T FORGET TO CLOSE IT ON YOUR WAY OUT! - HERE IS YOUR HAT! - SEEYA!
Crikey, you are a truly amazing person. Do you always just hang around a group of people whiging and do you do it in real life? Have they ever turned around and smaked you in the ear? because trust me, you really do appear that annoying with dribble like this. IMHO of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Please oh please locate that door. The sooner the better for all.

Maasi
03-22-2005, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnGaurde:.

ignore all the whiners of any description.

aahh.... im so relaxed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good! There you go you big strong alpha male you. You have let out you deep feelings. You now feel that you belong to somewhere, you feel that you stand with the righteous. You are on a mission to destroy all the WHINERS of any description. Because WHINERS are lowest of the low. Everybody who dares to say anything negative must be silenced. That is what free speech is all about after all.
(not to be taken too seriously!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

BTW: isn´t "pages of rancid bickering sh!te" little stong expression here, i have seen much uglier stuff in some other "whining" threads? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://lightsout.onestop.net/noonecares.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You cared so much that you posted your clever little pictures.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif


Oh well, anyway.This thread include some posts im not that proud today, and my apologies to everybody. I sure did my share of dragging down the quality of forum this time.

I guess that its time to shut up now and actually wait and see what happens with this add on patch or whatever it going to be. No need to start crying before i see how the new FM works. And if its too heavy, well then i have to just find way around it.

So thats it. Im going to do some flying now, its better fun than this so called "whining" anyways...

Dexmeister
03-22-2005, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moonsign:
About not having enough "horsepower". If you can't run with the "Big Dog's" then stay on the porch. You wanta play, you got to pay. No free rides. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, about 3 years ago I subscribed to this theory, but when new "Global Test of upcoming BOB" FM code is being thrown into a sim that originally had a lower set of optimal specs, you're talking something different.

I've spent a boatload of cash on sim parts & pieces. I upgraded repeatedly to take advantage of IL2, then FB, then AEP, as well as CFS and FS2004 through the past while.

I can run FS2004 on three screens at 3840x1024 resolution and get reliable performance with sliders all in the high or max zone.

With FB I was able to get reasonable performance across three screens. Same with AEP.

PF has run poorly on my machine, made worse by various patches, and now we're supposed to look forward to a new performance hit before, IMO, the previous performance glitches are fixed?

Sorry, "you wanna play you gotta pay" is a poor excuse for inefficient code. PF is not light years ahead of all other sims, so it shouldn't require hardware that is.

Airmail109
03-22-2005, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dexmeister:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moonsign:
About not having enough "horsepower". If you can't run with the "Big Dog's" then stay on the porch. You wanta play, you got to pay. No free rides. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, about 3 years ago I subscribed to this theory, but when new "Global Test of upcoming BOB" FM code is being thrown into a sim that originally had a lower set of optimal specs, you're talking something different.

I've spent a boatload of cash on sim parts & pieces. I upgraded repeatedly to take advantage of IL2, then FB, then AEP, as well as CFS and FS2004 through the past while.

I can run FS2004 on three screens at 3840x1024 resolution and get reliable performance with sliders all in the high or max zone.

With FB I was able to get reasonable performance across three screens. Same with AEP.

PF has run poorly on my machine, made worse by various patches, and now we're supposed to look forward to a new performance hit before, IMO, the previous performance glitches are fixed?

Sorry, "you wanna play you gotta pay" is a poor excuse for inefficient code. PF is not light years ahead of all other sims, so it shouldn't require hardware that is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No but it is generaly unadvisable to run 3 screens at such high resoloution if you want performance!

Sharkey888
03-22-2005, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dexmeister:

PF has run poorly on my machine, made worse by various patches, and now we're supposed to look forward to a new performance hit before, IMO, the previous performance glitches are fixed?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I couldn't agree more. Let's hope all this "tinkering" with patches and/or addons is not repeated with BOB.

While the FM/DM/Models are nice, the actual CODING needs alot of help.

Dexmeister
03-22-2005, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aimail101:No but it is generaly unadvisable to run 3 screens at such high resoloution if you want performance! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, which is why I'm amazed I can run FS2004 maxed at 3840x1024, and I can't even get PF to run nicely at 2400x600. Something fishy in the code, especially when AEP or FB ran great at 3072x768.

It just doesn't seem to be the right time to be introducing "future" FM code as a "global test", when some of us are still waiting for basic patches to resolve outstanding issues.

I know, we should appreciate the support and all that, and I respect Oleg's hard work, I just don't care to be part of a global test on a sim I can't yet even get to run right.

DarthBane_
03-22-2005, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dexmeister:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aimail101:No but it is generaly unadvisable to run 3 screens at such high resoloution if you want performance! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, which is why I'm amazed I can run FS2004 maxed at 3840x1024, and I can't even get PF to run nicely at 2400x600. Something fishy in the code, especially when AEP or FB ran great at 3072x768.

It just doesn't seem to be the right time to be introducing "future" FM code as a "global test", when some of us are still waiting for basic patches to resolve outstanding issues.

I know, we should appreciate the support and all that, and I respect Oleg's hard work, I just don't care to be part of a global test on a sim I can't yet even get to run right. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It runs great for me
perfect-1
1152x864
4aa
4af
color vibrance-1

on 6800 ultra
1gig on 400
amd3400

You want to fly a best sim? Open your walet or STFU.

Dexmeister
03-22-2005, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
You want to fly a best sim? Open your walet or STFU. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, hang on a second. I'm running it on 3 21" screens and merely expect it to run reasonably at its lowest resolution while its predecessors and ALL my other sims run great?

Stick it up your *** buddy, I'm into a lot more hardware than you. If I wanted a little NVidia thingie, I'd have one, I prefer a more immersive sim experience.

P.S., like I give a **** what your color vibrance settings and AA are. It's beside the point you've clearly missed.

Airmail109
03-22-2005, 05:12 PM
Dexmeister maybe You should not have been so dumb to buy 3 screens. You shudve bought a VR helmet and a head trecker instead!

strewth
03-22-2005, 05:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dexmeister:
Stick it up your *** buddy, I'm into a lot more hardware than you. If I wanted a little NVidia thingie, I'd have one, I prefer a more immersive sim experience. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dex,

Careful not to blow a faulty trumpet too hard. You may find you do it an injury.

You state that you are into alot more hardware than Darth and that you basically cannot be bothered with those little thingies that most of us have. Well, Why canothers get such a good result? I am thinking that for alot of hardware, something may not be right with it. Because if it was the games fault, shouldn't alot of people with lesser machines have bigger problems?

DIRTY-MAC
03-22-2005, 05:38 PM
Aimail101

I love your little pictures lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Dexmeister
03-22-2005, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by strewth:
You state that you are into alot more hardware than Darth and that you basically cannot be bothered with those little thingies that most of us have. Well, Why canothers get such a good result? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I set my video card to run on one screen, I'd have better performance. If I bridged two NVidia 6800's together, I'd have better performance. If I got a AMD Barton 66000 128-bit, I'd have better performance.

Yet, changing nothing whatsoever except for upgrading FB/AEP to PF, I lost performance.

All my other sims work very well, and I wouldn't consider FS2004 any less demanding than PF, so somewhere within this fact lies my point.

I don't mean to get all bent out of shape but when some ***** thinks he's a perfect 'test scenario' because his top-line video card is fast enough that he can't complain, it doesn't mean the program is running efficiently.

I bet even Oleg would admit there's some optimizations being made in the 4.0 code, since he's done it where required in previous versions with amazing results.

Remember when 1.04 stopped online stuttering in IL2? I bet a lot of Nvidia fans were busy saying "runs great for me" and listing their overly long specs back then too. Doesn't mean they know anything.

Slammin_
03-22-2005, 06:46 PM
Make it stop! Please!

fordfan25
03-22-2005, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and what about the offliners? i keep hearing that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My *guess* that *if* there is any problem, aka hit to FPS, due to the more complex FM it will only show up in OFFLINE play where YOUR PC has to calculate ALL the aircraft in the air, yours, and each AI plane. Which is not the case for ONLINE play, YOUR PC only has to calculate YOUR AIRCRAFTS FM. The other users PC's are calculating thier own FM.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
are you guys sayn that the onliners are worth more than the offliners? or is it just that you are mostly online flyers and thats what is realy important to you and no one else matters? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Worth more? I dont recal saying that? I did say something to the effect that OFFLINERS are anti socal nerds that dont need friends, thus save alot of money not partying on the weekens with their friends, thus can affored a better PC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
so let me get this right as long as the online players are still able to play then thats what matters because the off likners didnt pay the same money for the game or thay dont injoy it as much? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I never thought about it like that.. But, now that you mention it, your RIGHT!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
im not trying to be rude but thats the way it sounds to me guys. if im misunderstang then forgive me and explain it toi me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your misunderstanding, nothing to do with who is better, just stating the facts, and that this is an expensive hobby, upgrade or get out of the way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and that last statement is just why the pc market is so small compaired to the console market.O i got the mony so it should be made to my budget. wow so your what the earth is revolving around. your statment about the offliners not partying blah blah can work for the other side as well. hay you onliners spend all your time on the net so you save mony by not going out. see easy hu? you know after i posted my first one i ment to delete it i figured i had misunderstood you but after hearing what kinda persone you are i think i got ya lined up good. and as i said befor i dout this patch is going to hit all that hard and i think yes its been long enough sence this game came out that its maby time to give it some more power. im just disagreeing with your selfish out look.

well i said what i wanted to for the most part and sorry to have gottn into a arguement with ya. as tom hanks said in FG "im sorry i got into a fight in you black panther party" but i just cant agree with your veiw this time guy.

fordfan25
03-22-2005, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
only an iiiiiidiot would think i am RBJ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG your RBJ. lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

canucksledge
03-22-2005, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ar****e:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by canucksledge:
Also, a second to ar****e. If Pf was the first product I ever bought from Ubisoft, and I bought it as a standalone, and I had never heard of the IL2 series (all true, btw) then you show me where I am seeing any sort of patch track record? Lets discuss the product under which this forum is based. I doin't see the great support you are talking about. We are 4 patches into it, almost 5 months from release date, and we still don't have a complete as advertised packag, or a expected release date. I could go on about all my yesterdays too...but we're talking about today. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Four patches in five months, with a promised huge fifth one on the way and you see no evidence of support. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You're argument would have more credence if you were truly a newbie here. However, you have been on these boards long enough to learn about the history of this series. Just in the threads I have seen you participate in, I know this is not news to you by now. Perhaps you personally have not experienced the support that so many others here can and do attest to. Unless you are prepared to call those folks uninformed on the subject, I would think you should think it is you who is wrong on this matter.

But, I am violating my own advice earlier here. Good luck on your project to build a better world. We all want that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess we agree to disagree, though you carried yourself better with this post.

Cheers!

RedDeth
03-22-2005, 11:04 PM
posted Tue March 22 2005 17:46
Make it stop! Please!



sorry slammin. i take full responsibility for this thread....


GOD I LOVE IT SO


quack!

Sharkey888
03-22-2005, 11:17 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TAGERT.:
I did say something to the effect that OFFLINERS are anti socal nerds that dont need friends, thus save alot of money not partying on the weekens with their friends, thus can affored a better PC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[QUOTE]

Trying to make fun of offliners by calling them "geeks" just shows how little you know. The gaming world does not revolve around onliners.

How many hours a day are you on the internet-and yea that's the problem-hours??!!

If some of you would spend half that time reading or even taking a walk, you'd be much the better for it.

TAGERT.
03-22-2005, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and that last statement is just why the pc market is so small compared to the console market. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, like a good night club, the high price at the door keeps out the rif raf! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
O i got the mony so it should be made to my budget. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Has nothing to do with my budget, and everything to do with economics.. If the game maker thinks that *most* people who will buy thier game is running a 286, well then they would target the 286, and you would have a very nice looking shade of green dos screen. But, the game makers *think* that most gamers have and put a lot of money into their rigs, thus they target that group. Or were you operating under the impression that Oleg made this game for me personally? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
wow so your what the earth is revolving around. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, due to it's large size.. It does seem to have it's own gravitationally force acting on it.. In that it seems to draw the ladies in closer.. Or maybe they just noticed the buldge and came in closer? Either way, it's all good.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
your statment about the offliners not partying blah blah can work for the other side as well. hay you onliners spend all your time on the net so you save mony by not going out. see easy hu? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup, jokes are usually pretty easy to tear apart.. Especially when you don't realize it is a joke and respond to it as if it was not a joke.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
you know after i posted my first one i ment to delete it i figured i had misunderstood you but after hearing what kinda persone you are i think i got ya lined up good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Most egomaniac do think they can read mind and stuff.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and as i said befor i dout this patch is going to hit all that hard and i think yes its been long enough sence this game came out that its maby time to give it some more power. im just disagreeing with your selfish out look. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, well I guess it is a good thing I don't give a rat a$$ about weather or not you agree me than.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
well i said what i wanted to for the most part and sorry to have gottn into a arguement with ya. as tom hanks said in FG "im sorry i got into a fight in you black panther party" but i just cant agree with your veiw this time guy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Cant win em all! Especially when guys mistake jokes for seriousness.

TAGERT.
03-22-2005, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sharkey888:
Trying to make fun of offliners by calling them "geeks" just shows how little you know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, it shows how little you know about a thing we like to refer to as a joke.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sharkey888:
The gaming world does not revolve around onliners. How many hours a day are you on the internet-and yea that's the problem-hours??!! If some of you would spend half that time reading or even taking a walk, you'd be much the better for it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Dad!

Arcadeace_
03-23-2005, 03:00 AM
Its Bill Muray gettin it off in cyber space http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

bolillo_loco
03-23-2005, 04:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by strewth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
why should I pay hommage to oleg? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nobody said you had to pay homage to Oleg! However a bit of common courtesy wouldn't hurt, would it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
I have already bought 4 of his games. he is here to serve me not me to serve him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oleg is NOT here to serve anyone! He has developed a game and offered it for sale. What an ignorant statement. It is box headed statements that proves the calibre of some of the people on these forums. You my friend have just proved yourself to be a clown of the first order by such a statement.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
whether or not he makes a patch or another game I could care less infact I wish he would quit doing it. This game is not the "greatest flight sim out there" IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WHY ---OH WHY do you annoy us and bag our less than perfect sim then? You know where the door is, don't you? Feel free to exit at any time. There may be some of us here that wish people like you just quit and shove off. you appear to really be on a roll of stupid statements here mate. There is a difference between free speech and a twit just shooting off their mouth. You have so far displayed the intelligence and tact of tinea (that's a foot fungus) and have managed to take whinging to a whole new dimension. Don't forget that EXIT sign behind you. All IMHO of course and just expressing my freedom of speech.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bolillo_loco:
I am only at this game because this is where the people are. I wish he would stop making games myself because I am sick of fighting uber axis and russian aircraft. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As stated. USE THE DOOR! - GOOD BYE! - DON"T FORGET TO CLOSE IT ON YOUR WAY OUT! - HERE IS YOUR HAT! - SEEYA!
Crikey, you are a truly amazing person. Do you always just hang around a group of people whiging and do you do it in real life? Have they ever turned around and smaked you in the ear? because trust me, you really do appear that annoying with dribble like this. IMHO of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Please oh please locate that door. The sooner the better for all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

olegs job by definition is a game designer, I buy games so he works for me and everybody else who bought this game. I expect no patches what so ever unless it is to fix a game bug.

I do not like this game and I have not played it for several weeks. I only come here to poke fun at reddeth.

you can type all you want at this forum because it makes little difference. it is like trying to reason with a drunk when you post anything at this forum.

Banger2004
03-23-2005, 04:57 AM
I'm not whinging! This is my first flight sim for years (previous was on the Sinclair Spectrum.......if you could call it a sim!), and on the strength of PF I bought AEP and Forgotten Battles. They are all awesome sims, with great aircraft/campaigns.

Only trouble is, with so much content, I doubt I will ever get to learn the charateristics of all the various aircraft in a hundred years, and with BoB almost certainly a must-have sim, I can't see me playing any other games for quite a while! Since going online with this sim I have'nt even played the single player game very much.

No, definitely no whining here. I am very happy with the series, it will keep me busy for ages, and most importantly, and this really is the crux of it, I am still having great fun with the sim. Any patches/add-ons are welcome as far as I am concerned, and hopefully can only add to an already (for me) very extensive sim. Roll on BoB, and give me some more late nights!

HotelBushranger
03-23-2005, 05:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>it is like trying to reason with a drunk when you post anything at this forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES, YES IT IS BOLILLO_LOCO

If you don't like this game, or this forum, then

SHOVE OFF

EnGaurde
03-23-2005, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I don't mean to get all bent out of shape but when some ***** thinks he's a perfect 'test scenario' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what the.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

RedDeth
03-23-2005, 01:22 PM
i forgot what the main topic of this thread was. i started on page 7 today and i have no idea what my topic was ......

im beginning to get scaird. someone turn the light on please

Sharkey888
03-23-2005, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
Thanks Dad! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No problem son. Now get in bed and turn off that darn computer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hoatee
03-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Whine is for free in this forum.Nothing to whine about.

canucksledge
03-23-2005, 04:35 PM
These forums should have an age limit. I've never seen so much schoolyard bullying in a forum as often as I see it here. It's as if you either think the game dropped from the sky carried by angels...and we all got our copies for free...and Oleg personally burned them for us with his own bare hands and a laser pointer....OR yer just plain ****. What's with that? Can someone explain why constructive criticism or customer dissatisfaction is so violently opposed here? It isn't a funboy forum, is it? No one told me on the way in, and I think that stinks if it is. I would never willingly be a funboy.

canucksledge
03-23-2005, 04:37 PM
and also...how come a word that starts with c and ends with p and has an r and an a in the middle gets ***'d, but a female self pleasuring device doesn't? That's **** too!

Airmail109
03-23-2005, 04:45 PM
http://lightsout.onestop.net/willthispostend.jpg

mortoma
03-23-2005, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maasi:
What is wrong with you two(red death and hawqqy)? Are you blind or something? Did i really whine somewhere? If I AM not happy(and worried is THE word i like to use here) how this conserns you? Last time i checked it was possible to tell you own opinion, apparently it has changed.

What is this garbage about whining to Oleg? I never mentioned his name anywhere, if i really have something to say to him i would try to post it to him personally, not here. But i have nothing, until this day i have been one happy camper, and im still actually, only little worried.

And then there is this " but dont limit the gaming community to your computers parameters." Was i really limiting something? Do you really believe that i think that if i post my worries here it would change how these things are going to be? I dont think so!

Errr,yeah, actually i really havent anything to say "Mr REAL flight simmer" Hawggy. I´m apparently not worthy, oops i say onething, do you think that i am the person who decides if we have this patch or dont we? Think again, you know, i´m not, so dont use stupid lines like this: "and let us REAL PC flite simmers have our new patch!"

Luckily theres one good reply from Weather_man. Exactly what i was hoping for, this little piece of information " I thought that would be an optional component, only to be used if your PC can handle it" was exactly what i was hoping to see. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are not alone, I have a 2001 PC (AMD XP-2100 ) and as far as I can tell I won't be able to afford an upgrade anytime soon. Maybe not for years yet to come. I will not whine like some of those guys are saying but I will probably have to stop playing the game or stick with this version out now without the new planes coming out. I'll probably do the latter, since playing without the new addon planes will be better than not playing at all. oh well........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

joe3rd
03-23-2005, 06:27 PM
Nice satyre Box Weasel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
I espeacially like the part about landing brakes.
Good humor! something the community could use a little more of. Thanks & and reserve one of them 4.0 anchors for me and go lite on the cotton candy clouds please?
LoL see ya in 4.0

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Box-weasel:
The new patch will be awesome.

Minimum requirements will be a 5Mhz Nitrogen-cooled machine, currently available for $10,000 in the clearance aisle at Walmart.

New extensively researched campaigns will be included that use as sources Hollywood's Golden book WW2 comics. Campaign planesets will continue to be implemented by using the dartboard hanging on the wall at UBI that lists them.

The new maps will of course include only the edges of the most important battle theaters since the ocean surrounding these takes precedence and needs to be detailed down to the last wave.

Mission builders will get a break as several Japanese gas trucks will be equipped with Gatling guns and made to float so they can be lined up to simulate Battleship row at Pearl Harbor.

The Gruesome Avenger and Nakamichi Kitty-Kat torpedo bombers will finally make it into the game, as will the historically important Austalian Wombat fighter, of which two were made, and that saw action outside of a bar in Sydney on 12-11-41 during an after hours Pachinko brawl.

New flight models will require pre-start checklists and winding up the propellors with the huge rubber bands that run through the fuselages. Planes will no longer continue to skip like wind-driven ballons when they land. The wheel brakes bug that flips the planes onto their noses if you even think about using them has been extensively rethought. Deacceleration on landing will now be accomplished by tossing an anchor with a bungie-cord that is attached to the gunsight out of the cockpit.

The new clouds will resemble pink cotton candy which is accurate according to secret Russian meteorological data and if flown through at less than 200 kts IAS will adhere to the misplaced hinomarus and garish, spurious numbering on the Japanese planes rendering them helpless in certain areas along the Kokoda Track in New Guinea. There will also be a skins option to turn on corporate stickers ala Nascar ads to help pay Oleg's programmers.

Over 30,000 ft. in the black void of space there will be new eye-candy including weather satellites, the International Space Station, and if you look closely enough, the Hindenburg. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

canucksledge
03-23-2005, 08:04 PM
Know what gets me off? People who keep coming into this post, reading every message, then leaving one asking if the thread will ever stop, or commenting on how much a waste of time it is that people keep leaving messages..

Yes, that makes me so hot. Seriously...

Spectre-63
03-23-2005, 09:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>it is like trying to reason with a drunk when you post anything at this forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES, YES IT IS BOLILLO_LOCO

If you don't like this game, or this forum, then

SHOVE OFF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've never understood posts like this one. Why is it that some people feel that only positive opinions on a product are the valid ones? Do you not agree that some may feel cheated by the state of PF at release (and even now), even if you do not??

strewth
03-23-2005, 11:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectre-63:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>it is like trying to reason with a drunk when you post anything at this forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES, YES IT IS BOLILLO_LOCO

If you don't like this game, or this forum, then

SHOVE OFF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've never understood posts like this one. Why is it that some people feel that only positive opinions on a product are the valid ones? Do you not agree that some may feel cheated by the state of PF at release (and even now), even if you do not?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spectre,

There is no problems with a polite query or statement of things that are not to your liking and some do it very well.

However when you see morons posting garbage like "this is *****d" and "Oleg is there to serve me" and various other ignorant, rude postings, then it gets a bit much.

I am a fanboi to some degree and admire Oleg for his work and support and no I do not feel cheated. Maybe a bit confused and bewildered at times, but Oleg has always come through with a hell of alot more than he has promised. I am beginning to think that most of the ones that feel cheated are more recent joining members and have no idea of this sim's history as well as Oleg's and I sometimes think that they haven't had enough knocks and falls in life to really know what a hard time or being cheated is! May all their easter eggs be broken and BOY!, I bet we will hear about it then! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

But I do however from time to time enquire about things that I am not happy with or rather see done differently. Such as posts "A real look at the Solomons" and accelleration torque problems. I do not howevr carry on like a total brainless spoilt brat and start ranting and making rediculous demands. If I don't agree enough and feel badly ripped (such as CFS3), then I stop playing it and find a better hobby.

Some people around here are total ultimate whingers and I believe them incapable of coherent thoughts. They come on with guns a blazing demanding this and that finding any little imperfection to get a lever on and destroy the game for others. The funny thing would be the stupid looks on their faces if Oleg told them to all go ***k themselves and shut up shop. They would probably still be too stupid to stop and think that maybe they just killed the goose that has been laying golden sim eggs for the last few years. but that stupidity would be a good thing for them as they most likely won't realise just how rediculous they are and just stumble into the next sim lobby starting all over again with the tiring old rhetoric. The ultimate display of this stupidity is to whinge about just how bad it is and how ripped off, but keep on playing and coming back for more. Most normal people would put their hand on an electric fence, say "OUCH!" and then stay away. These morons would keep on grabbing it while complaining that it is all somebody elses fault and most likely start draping their other more tender appendages over it. All the while still complaining that it is somebody elses fault and never even have the brains to thik that if they don't touch it, they won't get hurt. Alot of these imbiciles then hide behind the old "Oh what, so you can't take constructive criticism?". There is a big difference between constructive and destructive, and some just have no idea.

In all fairness, there are some fanbois that do jump down someones throat a little quick, but alot has to do with "Oh no! Here is another bash Oleg thread". They too should learn a little bit of diplomacy and maybe take a deep breath before typing.

GerritJ9
03-24-2005, 02:30 AM
If the coming patch is 100 MB as has been stated elsewhere, I would not expect too many changes. There will probably be three new maps plus the Betty cockpit, and possibly several new aeroplanes (Mosquito in two versions? Ki-100? CW-21B? B-534? D.XXI? B6N?) These alone will use up much of that 100 MB, leaving little for changes to FM etc etc.

Aaron_GT
03-24-2005, 05:26 AM
How much code (in terms of compiled size) does it take to encode the FM, though. It might only be 1MB or something.

TAGERT.
03-24-2005, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
How much code (in terms of compiled size) does it take to encode the FM, though. It might only be 1MB or something. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ill be it is much smaller than the data base of all the planes that feeds into the FM. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Unburied_Nat
03-24-2005, 10:47 AM
Please God (or Taggert?)--- kill this thread before it imploads in a black hole of stupidity.

RedDeth
03-24-2005, 11:08 AM
nat there is nothing wrong with this thread and it need not be killed.

some posters just need to be banned. dont kill the messenger. kill the message.

IL2-chuter
03-24-2005, 12:29 PM
Lookin forward to the mega patch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

I would guess any upgrades (cpu load hits) could be mitigated by downgrading various options to achieve a playing experience not to different from the current version . . . just a wildass guess . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Hey, you guys want to see brutal posts? The Brothers in Arms PC forum is downright deadly . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . . . it's gotta be an internet/PC thing . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

triggerhappyfin
03-24-2005, 02:49 PM
Coming very soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif.

Knowing by experience ppl define "soon" very differently....but very soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Somethin lost in translation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Wild_Hog
03-24-2005, 03:04 PM
Hi guys! I`m kind of new around here...last "flight sim" I played was joint strike fighter and before that fighters anthology...and I can tell those were the best days of my life! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
So, I`d really like to get back into this flight sim world and I think Il-2 is the best choice for comeback.
So I was wondering if somebody could please fill me in on this 4.0 update, patch or whatever it is and any other news about Il-2 series?

Thanks

Sterf21
03-24-2005, 03:09 PM
I am not expecting too much of it. But Oleg surely has to speed up cuz I wont have any flightsim time during my exams....

DarthBane_
03-24-2005, 06:41 PM
We need eye candy in space. Theres constant sadness in my hearth when becomes obvious we want see some of the biggest zeppelines in this game.

F4U_Flyer
03-24-2005, 11:24 PM
"I am a fanboi to some degree and admire Oleg for his work and support and no I do not feel cheated. Maybe a bit confused and bewildered at times, but Oleg has always come through with a hell of alot more than he has promised. I am beginning to think that most of the ones that feel cheated are more recent joining members and have no idea of this sim's history"


You are absoloutly correct strewth!
There are alot of cfs2 players and others who have been wishing for a pacific sim. Cfs2 is very long in tooth and we wanted the quality of the oleg series to get our pacific kick. For these people the talk of bob , patent problems , the possibility of no more support yanks us/them to realize this might be it!

I had no real interest in the eastern front , some intrest in the western front but the most intrest in the pacific. But i knew olegs sim was great and after hearing pf was coming was very excited. But after a few hundred carrier landings the polish is gone and im left with what? Poor maps , no real missions to speak of , missing planes that should be included , an objects list with mostly eastern front objects and now a patch with more fb aep content than pf and the possibility there wont be much more because bob takes over.

So what am i supposed to think of the game now? Im not sure but i will keep checking and hope for the game to get more stuff but the scuttlebutt doesnt sound to promising!

strewth
03-25-2005, 05:30 AM
Flyer,

The Pacific theatre is a real challenge for any one to take on and has alot of potential problems associated with it. I for one grew up on Guadalcanal and have a special place in my heart for it. On of the largest battles of WWII fought right through where I lived and wet to school. I would dearly love a great PTO sim and was rapped when Pacific Fighters was announced.

First: The PTO takes in an absolutely enormous area and alot of that is water. It stems from Japan almost to the west coast of the States and from the tropic of capricorn to the other tropic (oh bugger - mental blank). So map making and setting up missions can be a huge task. Not to mention the distances that have to be flown.

Second: There was a hell of alot of uncontested missions and looooong boring flights over open water without reference points to fly with, so there were alot of MIA as a result.

Third: Alot of the world cannot give a bugger about the PTO and that is just the way it is. It is part of a democracy that the masses are catered for. Remember that alot of our computer aged world is european or european decent. The majority of the population are somewhat familiar with the war in Europe and some have never even heard of a Pacific war. So as a result, the PTO will always take a somewhat back seat to the ETO. Sad but true, even for me.

Fourth: Oleg and crew (given their global location) are probably not all that familiar with the Pacific area. So have really done quite a good job in taking on something so foriegn to them. I remember there was talk a long time ago that the IL2FB engine could never cater for a moving base (carrier), but they cracked it and not only does it move, but it also pitches and rolls.

Fifth: Thanks to our great democratic and capitolist system, greedy mongrels have cheated us out of potentially alot more stuff through cr@ppy legal claims. I know we have all heard the tired old "but Oleg should have known" rubbish. First and foremost, we have no solid objects just a bunch of 10101100100010 forming up pixels to give an image. It is a bit like one of your family (say your little brother) drawing a nice picture of something, only to be slugged with a huge bill and legal threats and when you say "that is a low act" being told "Well he should have known". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

The reason alot of european and especially BOB are so popular, is that there were well recorded sorties by both sides and almost daily scrambles and dog fights. The PTO air crews could go a fair time without seeing any real action.

I too would dearly love a full on PTO sim with alot of battles and missions and maps. It breaks my heart to see the Solomons and PNG as rolling hills and plains and really want to see large mountains that are not easy to fly over or around, but I have had my say on that one in the past and can only hope that Oleg can find a way to fix it.

I know that I will never be able to develop a sim and take my hat off to anyone that can do this good of a job of it. Nobody will ever make a perfect sim, Boy I remember lining up and waiting half an hour to have a go on Space Invaders (Oh the humiliation of it now) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif and it was great at the time. You know if you let go back then, you could still get immersion to some degree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

So we should all be a little bit more appreciative of what we have so far and enjoy the immersion. Cripes, it is still good value on a cost per hour basis. Enjoy it and if you don't yet have IL2FB and AEP, I recommend you save and get it.IMHO. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Happy flying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F4U_Flyer
03-25-2005, 10:57 PM
Actually thats all fine and dandy but my point was why we are getting the complaints so regularly. New people , cfs2 movers and other pacific fans. This game was announced as a standalone and patches to come, but now we get pf aep addons with a token pacific addition. Ya i know the betty fills in the promises and i dont mean this as a put down to the modders for there work making it in finally.

The main reason is it is looking like we who "bought" pf got the crappy noodles at the bottom of the soup pan! And weve been so much told not to expect a new batch because were changing to another soup! I just hope when the great bob comes out it doesnt just include calaise and the flat cliffs of dover ( just too hard to model ) and maybe they will get around to the tempest or the fw because they wouldnt fit on the disk!

And by the way my knowledge of the pacific war is fine. If i were designing this game i dont think i would have left out the slot as there was quite a bit of action in the coral sea area.and im sure a lot of mission builders would have a field day with it to make up for the ..... collection now in the game.

Ok my rant is over but you can be sure bob will hit my computer when it hits the discount bin!

fordfan25
03-25-2005, 11:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and that last statement is just why the pc market is so small compared to the console market. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, like a good night club, the high price at the door keeps out the rif raf! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
O i got the mony so it should be made to my budget. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Has nothing to do with my budget, and everything to do with economics.. If the game maker thinks that *most* people who will buy thier game is running a 286, well then they would target the 286, and you would have a very nice looking shade of green dos screen. But, the game makers *think* that most gamers have and put a lot of money into their rigs, thus they target that group. Or were you operating under the impression that Oleg made this game for me personally? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
wow so your what the earth is revolving around. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, due to it's large size.. It does seem to have it's own gravitationally force acting on it.. In that it seems to draw the ladies in closer.. Or maybe they just noticed the buldge and came in closer? Either way, it's all good.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
your statment about the offliners not partying blah blah can work for the other side as well. hay you onliners spend all your time on the net so you save mony by not going out. see easy hu? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup, jokes are usually pretty easy to tear apart.. Especially when you don't realize it is a joke and respond to it as if it was not a joke.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
you know after i posted my first one i ment to delete it i figured i had misunderstood you but after hearing what kinda persone you are i think i got ya lined up good. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Most egomaniac do think they can read mind and stuff.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and as i said befor i dout this patch is going to hit all that hard and i think yes its been long enough sence this game came out that its maby time to give it some more power. im just disagreeing with your selfish out look. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, well I guess it is a good thing I don't give a rat a$$ about weather or not you agree me than.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
well i said what i wanted to for the most part and sorry to have gottn into a arguement with ya. as tom hanks said in FG "im sorry i got into a fight in you black panther party" but i just cant agree with your veiw this time guy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Cant win em all! Especially when guys mistake jokes for seriousness. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


1:yes and it also keeps out the costumers. i hear alot of complaints over time about how the flight sim is a small market. thinking like yours is one of the resone.

2:to a point. but im not talking about econ im talking about your statements

3: ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

4:it was a bs statement disgussed as a joke.

5:i never said anything about reading minds i was talking about your satement.

6:yes you do give a rats @$$ or you would not be going threw all the trouble of replying to my post

7:if you were infact jokeing then sorry.


now this is all im going to say in this thread. you may if you wish have the last word how ever i leave you with this. im rubber your glue. lol

TAGERT.
03-26-2005, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
1:yes and it also keeps out the costumers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes the riff raff costumers!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
i hear alot of complaints over time about how the flight sim is a small market. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Relative to the Quake stuff it was, is, and most likely allays will be. In that the Quake stuff is something anybody, mostly kids, can play and enjoy. Flight sims typically require you to be a little older and into airplanes with a dash of history between your ears. Thus, the small market.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
thinking like yours is one of the resone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, see there is where your wrong again! It is not my way of thinking, it is my observation of how the sim makers think. Personally it works out well for me, in that due to the price of the joysticks, throttle, rudders, i.e. the things to fly a flight sim well it helps to keep some of the kids out of it! Because, me being a guy who is a little older and into airplanes with a dash of history between my ears I don't want to deal with some kid who just got done playing Quake or XWING and wants to do some frag feast free for all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
2:to a point. but im not talking about econ im talking about your statements <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not *to* a point about it, it turly is an economic issue, and has nothing to do with my budget.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
3: ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Funny, it has the same effect on the ladys too.. speechless! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
4:it was a bs statement disgussed as a joke. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope it was a joke taken too literally.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
5:i never said anything about reading minds i was talking about your satement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, ok, so not a mind reader, just someone that can read about 10 words in a sentence and have someone all figured out! Do you use cards when you do this trick and ware one of those big turbans on your head?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
6:yes you do give a rats @$$ or you would not be going threw all the trouble of replying to my post <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You better take that crystal ball back to the man you bought it from, because I really don't give a rats a$$ what you think! But, don't take it personal now! Because I really don't give a rat a$$ about what anyone here thinks about me!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
7:if you were infact jokeing then sorry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I *was* except for the rats a$$ part.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
now this is all im going to say in this thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No fault of your own, I think it's gravitationally force does something to the brain center of passers by.. Seems to make their mouths drop but no words come out.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
you may if you wish have the last word how ever i leave you with this. im rubber your glue. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Roger rubber! That must be some tent you work out of.. Come see the man that can size you up in 10 words or less and warp his rubber arms around a crystal ball! How much does it cost to enter?

fordfan25
03-26-2005, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
1:yes and it also keeps out the costumers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes the riff raff costumers!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
i hear alot of complaints over time about how the flight sim is a small market. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Relative to the Quake stuff it was, is, and most likely allays will be. In that the Quake stuff is something anybody, mostly kids, can play and enjoy. Flight sims typically require you to be a little older and into airplanes with a dash of history between your ears. Thus, the small market.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
thinking like yours is one of the resone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, see there is where your wrong again! It is not my way of thinking, it is my observation of how the sim makers think. Personally it works out well for me, in that due to the price of the joysticks, throttle, rudders, i.e. the things to fly a flight sim well it helps to keep some of the kids out of it! Because, me being a guy who is a little older and into airplanes with a dash of history between my ears I don't want to deal with some kid who just got done playing Quake or XWING and wants to do some frag feast free for all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
2:to a point. but im not talking about econ im talking about your statements <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not *to* a point about it, it turly is an economic issue, and has nothing to do with my budget.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
3: ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Funny, it has the same effect on the ladys too.. speechless! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
4:it was a bs statement disgussed as a joke. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope it was a joke taken too literally.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
5:i never said anything about reading minds i was talking about your satement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, ok, so not a mind reader, just someone that can read about 10 words in a sentence and have someone all figured out! Do you use cards when you do this trick and ware one of those big turbans on your head?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
6:yes you do give a rats @$$ or you would not be going threw all the trouble of replying to my post <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You better take that crystal ball back to the man you bought it from, because I really don't give a rats a$$ what you think! But, don't take it personal now! Because I really don't give a rat a$$ about what anyone here thinks about me!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
7:if you were infact jokeing then sorry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I *was* except for the rats a$$ part.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
now this is all im going to say in this thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No fault of your own, I think it's gravitationally force does something to the brain center of passers by.. Seems to make their mouths drop but no words come out.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
you may if you wish have the last word how ever i leave you with this. im rubber your glue. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Roger rubber! That must be some tent you work out of.. Come see the man that can size you up in 10 words or less and warp his rubber arms around a crystal ball! How much does it cost to enter? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

funny it does not seem to keep out the riff raff..funny you seem to conect mony to what kinda persone some one is...it does how ever keep out paying customers. again this has nothing to do with econ it has to do with your statement. leave the devlopers out of this im taliking about what YOU said.also it has nothing to do with age. again you think just because you can afford what ever that every one else can. it has nothing to do with wether some one is 15 or 40. it also has nothing to do with how much history thay have between there ears. it has to do with your attituide and the fact that you seem to think that just because you have money and know a little about ww2 and like flight sims that any one that doent have you kinda cash just doesnt belong and that thay are riff raff.haveing money does not make you any less or more than the next guy. in fact to some you would be riff raff. all your doing is tring to divert the arguement away from the point. and again you have proven that you do care by the fact that you have taken the time time wright that reply.

and yes i can size you up fast. or do you not say what you mean? reread your post and think about how what you wrought sounds. it does not paint a good picture.

TAGERT.
03-26-2005, 03:40 PM
Hey.. I thought you said?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
now this is all im going to say in this thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now if I was to put on the turban, and rub the crystal ball and pass judgment on you based off of ten or less words I would call you a liar. But I digress.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
funny it does not seem to keep out the riff raff.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Emm, I don't know, not all of the for sure, but a lot of them imho.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
funny you seem to conect mony to what kinda persone some one is... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Kinda person? No, but money does connected to what age a person is imho. Older folks have the money, kids got to get the money from the older folks, thus a natural weeding out process. Not perfect, because some parents are made of money and spoil their kids, which goes back to answers why only *some* of the riff raff is excluded.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
it does how ever keep out paying customers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, but only the riff raff costumers!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
again this has nothing to do with econ it has to do with your statement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Again, this has everything to do with econ and nothing to do with my statement.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
leave the devlopers out of this im taliking about what YOU said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's review what you said about what I said.. You said I said, i.e. "O i got the money so it should be made to my budget." First thing to note, I NEVER SAID THAT! That was a mistake on your part, you assumed that, but Im sure you can blame the crystal ball on that one. All I simply said was the decision to not support low end PC's is just a good economics call on the developers part. In that they *feel* the majority of their market resides in the high end PC hardware area. So, don't waist time and money coming up with TONS of options so the game will run on a 386 running at 33MHZ because hardly anyone is running that type of rig anymore. Sure there are some, and if you support that you have the *chance* of selling to them, thus a bigger market, but the development time require to support that low end may not be covered by the 2 or 3 people left with a 386 that buy it. So, you see, it is not what I said, it is what you *thought* I said, which is why I told you to take that crystal ball back to the man you got it from!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
also it has nothing to do with age. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100%

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
again you think just because you can afford what ever that every one else can. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Only one making and acting on assumptions around here is you!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
it has nothing to do with wether some one is 15 or 40. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100%! Simple economics tells us that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
it also has nothing to do with how much history thay have between there ears. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Disagree 100%! I think it is safe to *assume* that people who buy a WWII flight sim realize there was a WAR called World War Two! You may laugh, but there are a lot of the X-GEN kids (aka Riff Raff) that don't realize that, let alone that there are 50 states in the union.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
it has to do with your attituide and the fact that you seem to think that just because you have money and know a little about ww2 and like flight sims that any one that doent have you kinda cash just doesnt belong and that thay are riff raff. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You really need to take that crystal ball back to the man you got it from.. Or at least get some new batteries. In that I never said that, if my attitude rubbed you the wrong way and forced you to read your crystal ball the wrong way.. Hey that is you fault not mine! Stop passing judgment on what you *think* Im saying and stick to what I said and I think you will find your panties in less of a wad.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
haveing money does not make you any less or more than the next guy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree, but, sim makers trying to make a profit my consider them *less* likely to afford a PC that can run their game, thus they are not going to cater to them. That is the difference between the real world and where you seem to be coming from.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
in fact to some you would be riff raff. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I guess you still don't belive the part about me not giving a rat a$$?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
all your doing is tring to divert the arguement away from the point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, your initial post did that, Im trying to get it back on track here in the real world where money does not grow on trees.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and again you have proven that you do care by the fact that you have taken the time time wright that reply. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope, has nothing to do with me caring about what you think of me.. I just enjoy making you look foolish.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and yes i can size you up fast. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Clearly.. problem is you did it wrong.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
or do you not say what you mean? reread your post and think about how what you wrought sounds. it does not paint a good picture. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think you are the one that needs to re-read things!

fordfan25
03-26-2005, 04:54 PM
again it does not have anything to do with age there are plenty of people out there that are above 20 and dont have lots of cash to keep upgradeing. i know you may not belive that but it is true.and your the only one that keeps talking about 333mhz ect. i dout there is any one hear that has something like that any way.

No you are acting on assumptions that every one your age has your money.or that not haveing money makes you a kid that plays X-wing.

"Disagree 100%! I think it is safe to *assume* that people who buy a WWII flight sim realize there was a WAR called World War Two! You may laugh, but there are a lot of the X-GEN kids (aka Riff Raff) that don't realize that, let alone that there are 50 states in the union."

So im the only one assumeing hu? like i said thats not the point im argueing. sure there are kids that have no idea about ww2 but thats not who you were talking about before. you were talking about how people who can not afford to upgrade to what YOU see as a good rig should get out of the way and that onliners count more than offliners.

im not passing judgment on what i think you said but what i seen you wright.

you have proven time and again that you do give a rats a$$. just saying "i dont give a rats a$$" does not make it so

"Actually, your initial post did that, Im trying to get it back on track here in the real world where money does not grow on trees."
Ah but to hear you talk thats just what you think it does. remember "keep out the riff raff"

"Nope, has nothing to do with me caring about what you think of me.. I just enjoy making you look foolish."

perhaps you are, how ever at the same time you make your self look like a selfish pr!$%.

"Clearly.. problem is you did it wrong."

no clearly you being a selfish persone who thinks he is above others who have less than him is the problem.

ok ill reread.



" I did say something to the effect that OFFLINERS are anti socal nerds that dont need friends, thus save alot of money not partying on the weekens with their friends, thus can affored a better PC."

Assume much? gee i thought i was the only one.

"upgrade or get out of the way."

yep i think i see were your going with this.

"Yes, like a good night club, the high price at the door keeps out the rif raf!"

rif raf?...O you mean because thay dont have as much money to upgrade as you o yea thay should all die and get outa your way.

"Or were you operating under the impression that Oleg made this game for me personally?"

No thats what you seem to think.

"Most egomaniac do think they can read mind and stuff." who me? you may want to go back to the post wear you thought you were god.


" Personally it works out well for me, in that due to the price of the joysticks, throttle, rudders, i.e. the things to fly a flight sim well it helps to keep some of the kids out of it! Because, me being a guy who is a little older and into airplanes with a dash of history between my ears I don't want to deal with some kid who just got done playing Quake or XWING and wants to do some frag feast free for all."
quote

"Originally posted by fordfan25:
also it has nothing to do with age."
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"Disagree 100%"
"Kinda person? No, but money does connected to what age a person is imho. Older folks have the money, kids got to get the money from the older folks, thus a natural weeding out process. Not perfect, because some parents are made of money and spoil their kids, which goes back to answers why only *some* of the riff raff is excluded."

again you conect mony to the age of a persone. like i said befor there are lots of guys above 20 years of age that dont have alot of money because of suportiung family ect. you just keep makeing my point for me. that you have money and those with out are rif raf or just kids that dont have a clue. also go to gamespot forum and see how many of those kids are buying 6800 ultra ect. there are many.



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fordfan25
03-26-2005, 05:27 PM
ok T. look it boils down to this. i know what it is like to not have alot. i also dont think that a person should have to spend hundreds every year or so just to play games.One the other hand there should be a limet on just how flexble a game should be to older hardwear.

the things you said did come off as smug and like you were being high and mighty. if that was all a joke or you didnt mean it in just that way then sorry. if you did then well your intittled to your own right. eather way forget it k? unlike what you said i do care what people ...well most people in here think of me. and IF im in the wrong then i dont want people hear to think ill of me. i consider alot of guys in hear buds.

LEXX_Luthor
03-26-2005, 06:22 PM
Great posts strewth, as always. Thanks.

Flyer::<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>left out the slot as there was quite a bit of action in the coral sea area, a lot of <span class="ev_code_yellow">mission builders would have a field day with it</span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nailed it!

I would go happily Insane making FMB missions over such a large collection of ocean islands.

You are right on about the PF "polish" here. Look at PF and we see that Pacific could have been Oleg's IL~2 series Masterpiece. This is hindsight now, but Oleg should have skipped Western Front additions in AEP and started then to develop his own Pacific addon (and not 3rd Party but Oleg himself).

I was never interested in Pacific until this year, and studying it now, thanks to Oleg's PF, has turned me around. Eastern Front is still my lifetime Fave WW2 theater, but for the first time I found another WW2 air warfare theater that interests me, and that is Pacific -- again, thanks to Oleg supporting the creation of PF. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

TAGERT.
03-26-2005, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
again it does not have anything to do with age there are plenty of people out there that are above 20 and don't have lots of cash to keep upgrading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Of that I am sure, There are exceptions to every rule, but we are not talking about the exceptions here. The game market does not cater to the exception, it caters to the rule. And the rule is you have to have a good PC to play games on it. Otherwise you would not be in the PC market and you would be in the XBOX or PS2 market. Now operating with that in mind, PC flight sims require not only a good PC but extra hardware. Things like joysticks, rudders, throttles, etc. Those are the type of people a PC flight sim maker is targeting. They know that to play the games you have to keep up. If you cant keep up, you can not play. If you can not afford a $50 joystick you probably can not afford a $40 dollar game either. So it does not hurt the flight sim makers to target the high end of the market because that is where most of their customers reside.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
i know you may not belive that but it is true. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh I belive it, I just happen to know it does not make good economic sense to target a group with no money. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and your the only one that keeps talking about 333mhz ect. i doubt there is any one hear that has something like that any way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Was an example to drive home the point that the LOW END of the PC market is NOT who the flight sim makers go after.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
No you are acting on assumptions that every one your age has your money. or that not having money makes you a kid that plays X-wing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And your focusing on the exceptions to the rule and not the rule.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
So im the only one assuming hu? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Difference between you and me is I go out of my way and note when I make an assumption. Where as you just state your assumptions as fact.. BIG DIFFERENCE!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
like i said that's not the point im arguing. sure there are kids that have no idea about ww2 but that's not who you were talking about before. you were talking about how people who can not afford to upgrade to what YOU see as a good rig should get out of the way <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100%! I don't want to see the advancement of flight sims held up because of the low end market people. If they sim makers can do it easily, via options, fine do it, but not if it takes a big effort to support old hardware. If your still running a 3Dfx card, sorry, but if you expect the game makers to support that, sorry! Ain't going to happen! That and there is a down side to supporting old PC's. Some dweeb with a 1GHz PC and a Gforce card is going to beeeeeyach about how bad the game runs.. Because he will not make use of the options and turn down the settings. That is the way it has been for 10+ years now, upgrade or get out of the way! It is an expensive hobby!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
and that on liners count more than off liners. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Never said that, was your initial assumption error.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
im not passing judgment on what i think you said but what i seen you wright. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Flat out lie.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
you have proven time and again that you do give a rats a$$. just saying "i don't give a rats a$$" does not make it so <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, but not ture at all, I really don't give a rat a$$ about what you think of me. Me responding to you does not change that! I actually enjoy just making you look silly, which has nothing to do with me caring about what you think about me. Im using you for my own enjoyment! Get it? Im shallow like that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
perhaps you are, how ever at the same time you make your self look like a selfish pr!$%. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which might mater to me *if* I gave a rat a$$ about what you think of me.. But I don't.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
no clearly you being a selfish persone who thinks he is above others who have less than him is the problem. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In your mind, Im sure there are lots of things buzzing around in there like that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
ok ill reread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>PLEASE!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
Assume much? gee i thought i was the only one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You are, that and your joke detector seems to be broken.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
yep i think i see were your going with this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry, but that is how it is, real life sucks like that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
rif raf?...O you mean because thay don't have as much money to upgrade as you o yea thay should all die and get outa your way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! Sorry real life has got you down.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
No that's what you seem to think. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No that's what you seem to think.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
who me? you may want to go back to the post wear you thought you were god. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes you! That and the next upgrade you may want to consider is a joke detector for you PC.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
" Personally it works out well for me, in that due to the price of the joysticks, throttle, rudders, i.e. the things to fly a flight sim well it helps to keep some of the kids out of it! Because, me being a guy who is a little older and into airplanes with a dash of history between my ears I don't want to deal with some kid who just got done playing Quake or XWING and wants to do some frag feast free for all."
quote

"Originally posted by fordfan25:
again you conect mony to the age of a persone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Because I talk about the RULE in life where as you want to talk about the EXCEPTIONS in life

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
like i said before there are lots of guys above 20 years of age that don't have a lot of money because of suportiung family ect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Like I said before, that is not the market the PC game market is after. You have to have expendable cash to afford these games and the hardware they run on. The PC game makers are not targeting the guy who has to decide between a joystick and if his 3 year old is going to eat tonight.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
you just keep making my point for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your twisted socialistic point where the government should provide everyone with a game PC and can use welfare checks to buy games.. Neat world where a hug fixes everything.. Neat world.. Just not the real world.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
that you have money and those with out are rif raf or just kids that don't have a clue. also go to gamespot forum and see how many of those kids are buying 6800 ultra ect. there are many. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Exceptions to the rule, allays will be some.

EURO_Snoopy
03-26-2005, 07:01 PM
Tagert Fordfan take it to pm please, I'm getting tired of scrolling through reams of quote and counter quote, worse than 2 washer women and largely off topic too

fordfan25
03-26-2005, 07:35 PM
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fordfan25
03-26-2005, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
Tagert Fordfan take it to pm please, I'm getting tired of scrolling through reams of quote and counter quote, worse than 2 washer women and largely off topic too <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

understood. im sorry i wont let it happen again. i should not have even said anything. please ecept my apolagies also my apolagies to the comunity.

o and ill erase my last post.

RedDeth
03-26-2005, 07:39 PM
thank the lord and mr. ford.

and mr snoopy too

-HH-Quazi
03-26-2005, 11:17 PM
Geesh! Now that was a read. HEHEHEHE It's sad for some of you m8's, but you have to pay to play. Sad but true.

TAGERT.
03-26-2005, 11:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
Geesh! Now that was a read. HEHEHEHE It's sad for some of you m8's, but you have to pay to play. Sad but true. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactally!

TAGERT.
03-26-2005, 11:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
Tagert Fordfan take it to pm please, I'm getting tired of scrolling through reams of quote and counter quote, worse than 2 washer women and largely off topic too <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As far as OT, does the washer women coment qualify?

jarink
03-26-2005, 11:45 PM
#1 way to tell when a thread has gotten out of hand:

Over half the posts quote one or more previous quotes in order to disagree with them.

VOL_Hans
03-27-2005, 09:57 AM
Holy crud...

Well, I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered before (Too much junk here to tell) , but how will the new FM be handeled? Will be be part of another difficulty setting?

And if so, how will we be able to change campaigns we currently have running to be compatable with the new patch?

TAGERT.
03-27-2005, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
Holy crud...

Well, I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered before (Too much junk here to tell) , but how will the new FM be handeled? Will be be part of another difficulty setting? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>doubt it.. But nobody knows for sure except Oleg. Most of us are just guessing at the posiabilitys based on the standard FM equations.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
And if so, how will we be able to change campaigns we currently have running to be compatable with the new patch? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dont know about that.. Somes games are very depended on that.. But in light of the dynamic nature of the DGEN, and the fact that you can swap out DGEN now I doubt it will be a problem, but, again, just guess, only Oleg knows for sure.

Bearcat99
03-27-2005, 04:51 PM
10 whole pages of ..... what? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

All this posturing and bitc#ing about something that isnt even out yet...... we dont know how bad it will be... or not... Lets all wait till this little puppy is released and actually see what hits we take shall we?

darkhorizon11
03-27-2005, 05:46 PM
This is my first post on this thread.

I'm keeping my hopes up. A little over 100mb of IL2 goodness. I was expecting it to be a little bit bigger, hopefully they fit everything in this time.

The big thing for me will be the fixed flightmodels 4.0. Finally, after 6 years there gonna get stalls and spins right.

Let the drooling commence.

LEXX_Luthor
03-27-2005, 06:37 PM
F2A2 cockpit took 100MB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Okay, that big Double Patch 3.03/3.04 had tons of stuff under the table, some stuff like IceFire's working Butterfly Flap grafix for Ki~43, some stuff probably unseen (probably for the better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

mmm, maybe the large 100MB had some pre work over the New FM, preparing for the arrival of 4.00, laying out the red carpet.

TAGERT.
03-27-2005, 07:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
The big thing for me will be the fixed flightmodels 4.0. Finally, after 6 years there gonna get stalls and spins right. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fixed? Keep in mind this is not a FIX of the current FM in the sense that the current FM is broke or doing something wrong.. This new FM is simply a more complex FM that will provide us with more fidelity! Due to the advancment of PC processing power they can do more complex math, and more of it in the same amount of time. Something they could not do years ago when the first FM was developed for IL2.

Dexmeister
03-28-2005, 09:53 AM
If this thread disappears and any of you want to find it, it'll be behind the shed with Old Yeller... geez what a waste of bandwidth...

Say, anyone seen the vaporware patch? I hear it's coming in two weeks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Edit, I still think we may get results if we build Oleg a cake or something

http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean2.jpg

F19_Orheim
03-28-2005, 02:56 PM
fordfan, don't mind TAGERT, he's like a tick, itch as he** but is just a trolling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) bug who loves to aggrevate people in public. Don't even bother to PM him, because he won't bother answering if you are the only one who can read his *****

TAGERT.
03-28-2005, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
fordfan, don't mind TAGERT, he's like a tick, itch as he** but is just a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll bug who loves to aggrevate people in public. Don't even bother to PM him, because he won't bother answering if you are the only one who can read his ***** <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! Must have really struck a nerve to leave such a lasting impression? I didnt realise I got to you that much? Ill try to remember to go easy on you next time.. Dont want anyone to pass out around here!

Dexmeister
03-28-2005, 10:13 PM
*** BREAKING NEWS ***

The cake we built for Oleg was well received, though Milton didn't receive his piece, just like last time.

http://www.asic.ca/images/milton.jpg

So, in return, a new beta patch was released to testers, who rushed home with it immediately
http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean3.jpg

Testing began, though reactions were less than impressed....
http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean4.jpg

But in the end, Uncle Rico decided
http://www.asic.ca/images/napolean5.jpg

And so once again, the natives became restless...
http://www.asic.ca/images/rbj.gif

The_Pharoah
03-28-2005, 10:59 PM
lol classic.