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ytareh
08-11-2005, 06:05 AM
Right I have assigned trim to some of my keyboard "arrow" keys and I think I kinda get it .But just a few of questions/thoughts.Maybe you could put me right if theyre incorrect.1about how many 'taps' on the keys do you need to get her 'straight and level'?2 Does this vary greatly from plane to plane?3 There seems to be a lot more trim generally needed in the vertical plane ("Elevator" trim?) and its nearly always needed to get the plane to 'nose down'("negative"trim?)4The ailerons seem to need the next biggest amount of trim (to counteract prop torque?)5Rudder trim is smallest but can be critical for aiming.Thanks

ytareh
08-11-2005, 06:05 AM
Right I have assigned trim to some of my keyboard "arrow" keys and I think I kinda get it .But just a few of questions/thoughts.Maybe you could put me right if theyre incorrect.1about how many 'taps' on the keys do you need to get her 'straight and level'?2 Does this vary greatly from plane to plane?3 There seems to be a lot more trim generally needed in the vertical plane ("Elevator" trim?) and its nearly always needed to get the plane to 'nose down'("negative"trim?)4The ailerons seem to need the next biggest amount of trim (to counteract prop torque?)5Rudder trim is smallest but can be critical for aiming.Thanks

JG53Frankyboy
08-11-2005, 06:09 AM
depends all an planetype and its speed (PFm4.01)

Atomic_Marten
08-11-2005, 06:12 AM
I agree with the man. It would be good that on some place one could find how many "taps" it should make for certain cruise speed on alt for his favourite airplane. That would be good point to start learning about these things.

Tully__
08-11-2005, 06:21 AM
The default trim is usually pretty close to right for "cruising speed" for that aircraft, but most players fly considerably faster than cruise. Consequently most find it necessary to add nose down trim to fly level.

I can't recommend a particular number of taps for any aircraft as the amount of trim applied isn't determined by taps. Trim applied depends on cumulative "key down" time. If you make five "long" taps you'll get much more trim than for five "short" taps. The result is, it depends on the user how many taps are required for a particular effect.

Atomic_Marten
08-11-2005, 06:24 AM
Tully is that means that if I continually hold the "trim up" key that my aircraft will be trimmed up untill reach max. value? Or it contains certain value per tap?

I have never really bothered myself too much with trim thing. Also ClnlSandersLite has corrected me when I used the term "cruise speed"... he said there is economical cruise, high speed cruise... etc. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So I refer to "certain cruise speed" from now on.

Pirschjaeger
08-11-2005, 12:04 PM
Ah man!

I saw the thread title and thought I was getting a free haircut. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Fritz

NonWonderDog
08-11-2005, 12:09 PM
Yep, if you hold down your trim key the trim wheel moves at max speed until it hits the lock. It appears to obey the repeat delay set in your keyboard drivers, though.

It actually moves exactly the same speed when you hold down the key as it does when you move a slider. There's no speed advantages to trim-on-a-slider. At least, not any more. I don't know about before.

ytareh
08-11-2005, 01:00 PM
Well you live and learn!I thought there was a tap/click/notch style to keyboard trim not a slider effect....Thanks!The gear on the older planes now(I16/F4F)they really are tap keys arent they?

Atomic_Marten
08-11-2005, 02:19 PM
I can not swear since I was never really get myself into trim thing, but seems that trim key was required to be "tapped" before. It is the very first news to me that you actually can trim the aircraft by holding the trim key down for certain ammount of time... so it is possible to reach max. trim value by holding the key for some time after all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Moustacheo
08-11-2005, 03:03 PM
You can see the slider effect much more clearly if you try flying a plane with the trim wheels modelled in the cockpit. For example, the wildcat in PF has these and you can clearly see how much trim you are applying.

Atomic_Marten
08-11-2005, 03:23 PM
Yes you are right. Just tried that in F4U and F4F. But like I said I don't recall that this state was like that before (I think tapping the key was a must)

Tully__
08-11-2005, 03:58 PM
Trim was "per tap" in the original Sturmovik but has been "cumulative key down time" since FB came out.

Manual gear is still "per tap"

Atomic_Marten
08-11-2005, 04:18 PM
Yes... last thing I remember is that you have to pump the key for trim just like manually for gears. That's why I lost my interest for trim in the first place.
I guess this is better solution.

Christos_swc
08-11-2005, 04:19 PM
It's as Tully says, you can find out yourselfs by 'tapping' in accelerated time mode then bringing speed back to normal.
A tap in accelerated mode has many times the effect of a tap at normal playing speed so it's all down to how long you press the trimming keys.

Pirschjaeger
08-11-2005, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
Trim was "per tap" in the original Sturmovik but has been "cumulative key down time" since FB came out.

Manual gear is still "per tap" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nobody told me. Now the arrow is worn off my key. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Fritz