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jaxa1973
04-27-2009, 03:03 PM
Question old as world - which joystick better to buy? I like oldskul joys looking like 2ndWW sticks. I have two options - Speedlink Black Widow and Saitek Aviator, both have similar price. I like separate throttle with rudder in Black Widow very much, but Aviator has many buttons for setup with three profiles (good for starting/landing, A2A and A2G for instance), separate throttle too but rudder in grip (I don't like it, it's less precise).
Which of them will be better choice and why?

jaxa1973
04-27-2009, 03:03 PM
Question old as world - which joystick better to buy? I like oldskul joys looking like 2ndWW sticks. I have two options - Speedlink Black Widow and Saitek Aviator, both have similar price. I like separate throttle with rudder in Black Widow very much, but Aviator has many buttons for setup with three profiles (good for starting/landing, A2A and A2G for instance), separate throttle too but rudder in grip (I don't like it, it's less precise).
Which of them will be better choice and why?

b2spirita
04-27-2009, 03:12 PM
I have the blackwidow and im very happy with it. Heres a link to another owners thoughts on it, theres also a link to my review about half way down the page.


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...9310655/m/2971086247 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/2971086247)

CUJO_1970
04-27-2009, 07:10 PM
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.

na85
04-28-2009, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Buzzsaw-
04-28-2009, 01:05 AM
Salute

CH Products Fighterstick
Either CH Pro Pedals or Saitek pedals.

Twist grip rudders are generally inferior in operation.

na85
04-28-2009, 01:47 AM
CH does make great stuff. I love my CH pedals.

But the fighterstick doesn't have very many buttons on it, whereas the logitech has I think 12 buttons plus a hat switch and a rotary axis.

AnaK774
04-28-2009, 02:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by na85:
CH does make great stuff. I love my CH pedals.

But the fighterstick doesn't have very many buttons on it, whereas the logitech has I think 12 buttons plus a hat switch and a rotary axis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm... on my fighterstick there is, 4 buttons, 3 4 direction hats (works as 12 buttons)and one 8 direction hat and 3rd axis with roller control. Also its programmable with 3 modes, although it removes one button to be switch modes button but multiplies buttons and hats by 3.

And its precise, durable and ready to roll from box...
Over 5 years old now with thousands of hours of use.

Few things when buying a joystick.
-Youre buying it for JOY. Acting like scrooge gives you usually grief.
-If you want good and cheap, you end up buying two
-Poor man cant afford cheap.

Skarphol
04-28-2009, 02:18 AM
I'm also in the market for a new joystick.
My 6 year old Logithech Freedom 2.4 has become worse and worse lately.

What I would like to buy has to be "All in one", having 2 or 3 items on or under the desk has extremely low wife acceptance factor. In other words; twist-stick rudder and throttle somewhere on the joystick. I would also like it to be wireless.

But I have never been truly satisfied with the Logitech Freedom, so I guess I will have to go for another solution.
What is the best joystick with throttle slider and twist-stick rudder?

Skarphol

Tully__
04-28-2009, 03:59 AM
jaxa1973, either one would do, though I'd prefer the Aviator.

Skarphol, I'd recommend the Saitek Aviator for you, it's a twisty stick and has a dual throttle. While this game doesn't support multiple throttle sliders, you can assign the second one as prop pitch or elevator trim.

Sokol__1
04-28-2009, 10:20 AM
I think that in entry-level category, this is #1 in features:

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6043/cyborgx.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyborgx.jpg)
Saitek Cyborg X ~43 U$

Look like a... Transformer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjpQphImXpQ

Aviator looks better.

Sokol1

WOLFMondo
04-28-2009, 11:03 AM
If you have the cash get a CH Fighter Stick and CH Pedals.

It might be expensive initially but 5 years down the line you'll still be using them and they'll work like they did the day you got them out of the box.

RedToo
04-28-2009, 11:41 AM
I have a CH Combat Stick, CH pedals and recently a CH Pro Throttle. The stick and pedals date from 2004. They work now as they did then, smooth and stay calibrated, excellent products.

RedToo.

Trinity_Jay
04-28-2009, 12:05 PM
Do consider the MSFS2, for me, one of the best flight sticks ever made. I have had mine for nine years and it still works as good as new and feels 'right'. Not only that, it's extremely well made, responsive, heavy and comes with force feedback; admittedly a hate/love relationship, once you have learned to appreciate how you can 'feel' to be on the envelope of a stall, you have that edge. I also use the hat switch on top for flaps, a quick flick for combat flaps is always a good thing.

One of the very best joysticks in my opinion.

That said, no consider the CH Fighterstick (?) and Saitek X52. I have both and all are recommended. However, the MSFS2 is on the table for gaming whereas the others are boxed.

And do consider the Saitek X52 throttle. Amazing.

Jay

jaxa1973
04-28-2009, 01:35 PM
Thanks for all your replies guys. I'm rather conservative man and I prefer joys looking as real as it's possible, like original plane sticks. I don't like lights, flashing diodes etc. because I like real flight simulators, not X-Wing or Tie Fighter games. Saitek, unfortunately, makes sticks looking as Terminator/Predator or other ...or weapon. Only one model looking good for me is Aviator.
I use Genius F-23 joy now. It isn't perfect - innacurate (must be trimmed very often for use), with only 8 buttons, without soft for profiles etc., but it looks like joy, has rudder in separate knob and handy grip, with no. 2 button special made for thumb.
Looking for new joy I can say, with surprise, that none joy available now in markets has all features should be included, in my opinion of course. I'd like to have joy with separate throttle with rudder (the best combination for me, intuitive in use), comfortable grip, minimum 12 or more buttons (easy accessible without looking at them during play), good soft for profiles etc. It would be good to have it without spending mountain of money, like for Thrustmaster's models.
Two models are close to my wishes - Speedlink Black Widow and Saitek Aviator. Black Widow looks better and probably is more comfortable to use (many times ago I used prototype of it from Saitek with pleasure), but Aviator has many buttons with soft for profiles. Both have separate throttle, but Aviator has rudder in grip - it's not the best solution. Black Widow has FF - or rather vibrations feedback. Prices are comparable. It would be the best to try them both in game, but I can't do this. What's your opinion? Maybe somebody tried them both and choosed one of them?

ZappaTime
04-28-2009, 02:21 PM
Saitek Cyborg Evo Force - real adjustable to your hand (left or right), and been very reliable over last couple of years, since whenever it came out. It hasn't drifted, got any faulty button, gone slacker or sloppy or failed in any way and has had regular use in all that time. I know some people **** off Saitek, but I fell in love with this stick the moment I saw it at the World Flight Sim show in Blackpool a few years ago - it was locked up in a glass case then, as a prototype(!), but it hasn't failed to please, plus its a real bargain for a FF stick.

slipBall
04-28-2009, 02:37 PM
Sure look's are nice, but you wont be looking at it while playing. CH I think is the greatest value/dependabilty out there. Button's, they got them, you can assign each of them multible times and use the shift to access on the Fighterstick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_02Apr281632.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_03Apr281649.jpg

jaxa1973
04-28-2009, 03:00 PM
Yes, you have right, Flightstick Pro or Fighterstick with Pro Throttle would be the best set. But it's clearly much expensive than Saitek Aviator or Speedlink Black Widow.

slipBall
04-28-2009, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jaxa1973:
Yes, you have right, Flightstick Pro or Fighterstick with Pro Throttle would be the best set. But it's clearly much expensive than Saitek Aviator or Speedlink Black Widow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes expensive, but you could pay much less using craigeslist, or e-bay, or try here at the CH hanger
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=35

jaxa1973
04-29-2009, 01:07 PM
What do you think about this:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/pr...tID=149&PlatformID=5 (http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=149&PlatformID=5)
Looks good, separate throttle with rudder control, 12 programmable buttons but without force feedback.

jayhall0315
04-29-2009, 01:31 PM
I am perhaps one of a rare breed here at the Ubi Zoo who actually owns a CH Fighterstick/Franken Potato/Pro Pedals, a Saitek X-52 Pro HOTAS and the Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS. And my desktop says it all:

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1359&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750

The CH stuff just works. Plain and simple. The Fighterstick is the best of the sticks unless you really only like jet sims and then you might consider the Cougar as well. Rarely do the terms 'extreme precision' and 'tough as nails' go together, but that would aptly describe the CH Fighterstick. The Cougar can be brought up Fighterstick standards but only with expensive mods that usually cost $300 or more. Unmodded, the X-52 Throttle is perhaps the best because it has more rotaries to control items like trim and prop pitch, but the Franken Potato (a mod to the CH Pro Throttle) beats the stock X-52 throttle hands down. As for pedals, if you like a narrow stance, go for the CH Pro Pedals and if you like a wide stance, go for the Saiteks. Other than that, they are almost identical as far as sensitivity.

Two products I have not had a chance to try yet which many rave about are the Microsoft FFB2 joystick which lets you know when you are stalling by force feedback and the SimpEd pedals which use Hall sensors and are supposedly super smooth and accurate.

slipBall
04-29-2009, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jaxa1973:
What do you think about this:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/pr...tID=149&PlatformID=5 (http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=149&PlatformID=5)
Looks good, separate throttle with rudder control, 12 programmable buttons but without force feedback. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look's good to me also...you have along flight career ahead of you, getting a stick is the important part. Can always up-grade in time

Buzzsaw-
04-29-2009, 02:52 PM
Salute

As mentioned, I prefer the CH products, but the Microsoft FF2 joystick was the best twist rudder stick you could buy. They are not being produced anymore, but you can sometimes find new ones on the internet.

jaxa1973
04-29-2009, 04:09 PM
Another Saitek, good performance but looking too cosmic for me:
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cyx.htm
Does somebody enjoy it in Sturmovik?