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willyvic
04-23-2007, 03:01 PM
Flying with a wingman online is not only enjoyable but most times essential when entering into virtual combat. A wingman, coupled with Teamspeak or the like, makes punching holes in the sky a real treat. Using a basic combat technique, manageable by all, will instill confidence and produce positive results.

This short narrative demonstrates that basic technique as utilized by myself and 310th Sourkraut.

The Combat Spread

Captions for illustrations precede the picture.

On initial contact, Sour and I will separate and maintain visual on the bandit.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/initial.jpg

We position ourselves so that the bandit is held in view (approximately 2 o'clock and 10 o'clock).
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/spread.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/cockpit.jpg

The bandit will normally commit to one of us as we close.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/Bcourse.jpg

When he does commit, the cover bird will turn onto the bandit maintaining the "2 or 10" view established after initial contact.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/PCourse.jpg

The targeted bird will turn into the bandit, throwing off his aim.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/Scourse.jpg

When executed properly the bandit will be forced to the defensive. From then on it's a matter of working it till it drops.

The nice thing about maintaining the bandit in the "2 and 10" position when closing is that it will consistently work regardless of the bandits course. And by keeping that position the separation between me and my wingman remains relatively constant, ensuring that one of us will be in position to attack/cover.

There a many different attack styles out there. This happens to be one of the most basic. And it is one of the most successful for 310th Sourkraut and 310th WillyVic.

Any other tips and hints are more than welcome.

With all the new blood here I think it's time some of the old timers step up and offer their insights.


Respectfully,
WV

willyvic
04-23-2007, 03:01 PM
Flying with a wingman online is not only enjoyable but most times essential when entering into virtual combat. A wingman, coupled with Teamspeak or the like, makes punching holes in the sky a real treat. Using a basic combat technique, manageable by all, will instill confidence and produce positive results.

This short narrative demonstrates that basic technique as utilized by myself and 310th Sourkraut.

The Combat Spread

Captions for illustrations precede the picture.

On initial contact, Sour and I will separate and maintain visual on the bandit.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/initial.jpg

We position ourselves so that the bandit is held in view (approximately 2 o'clock and 10 o'clock).
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/spread.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/cockpit.jpg

The bandit will normally commit to one of us as we close.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/Bcourse.jpg

When he does commit, the cover bird will turn onto the bandit maintaining the "2 or 10" view established after initial contact.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/PCourse.jpg

The targeted bird will turn into the bandit, throwing off his aim.
http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/Scourse.jpg

When executed properly the bandit will be forced to the defensive. From then on it's a matter of working it till it drops.

The nice thing about maintaining the bandit in the "2 and 10" position when closing is that it will consistently work regardless of the bandits course. And by keeping that position the separation between me and my wingman remains relatively constant, ensuring that one of us will be in position to attack/cover.

There a many different attack styles out there. This happens to be one of the most basic. And it is one of the most successful for 310th Sourkraut and 310th WillyVic.

Any other tips and hints are more than welcome.

With all the new blood here I think it's time some of the old timers step up and offer their insights.


Respectfully,
WV

joeap
04-23-2007, 04:09 PM
Isn't the "Thatch weave" a variant of this? Nice diagram.

willyvic
04-23-2007, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
Isn't the "Thatch weave" a variant of this? Nice diagram. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I precieve the "thatch weave" to be more of a defensive move utilized when you and your wingy are jumped from astern. With that said though, I guess the weave could be used with the combat spread to "chase down" your opponent.

Will keep it in mind.

WV

Longpo
04-23-2007, 06:31 PM
This happens to me quite a few times online since I fly solo.

Best thing I found I can do is make a pass on one of the aircraft with the hope of putting it out of action, then make for the clouds.

Outcome varies really, depending if I have been spotted till the pass and if I manage to damage one.

Great feeling if it all comes off though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

stathem
04-24-2007, 03:55 AM
Nice post Willy.

One quick question, what lateral separation between the pair do you use?

DooDaH2007
04-24-2007, 05:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">With all the new blood here I think it's time some of the old timers step up and offer their insights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it appreciated..!

I recently came upon this link with tactics as well:
http://www.56thfightergroup.org/tac.html

Very helpfull..!

Diablo310th
04-24-2007, 10:55 AM
good job willyvic and Sour. ~S~ 310th by the way...these 2 guys work well together.

Divine-Wind
04-24-2007, 11:41 AM
Great stuff. I just might have to join a squadron myself... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

NSAdonis85
04-24-2007, 11:48 AM
I think it's time to start a tutorial, gimme a day or two http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

willyvic
04-24-2007, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
Nice post Willy.

One quick question, what lateral separation between the pair do you use? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Routinely Sour and I will be patrolling in a modified wedge, very close together. When a bogey is spotted we then separate and establish the 2 and 10 posture. The initial lateral separation is dependent upon bogey distance and not a predefined measurement. We use the canopy framing to maintain position.

WV

willyvic
04-24-2007, 02:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DooDaH2007:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">With all the new blood here I think it's time some of the old timers step up and offer their insights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it appreciated..!

I recently came upon this link with tactics as well:
http://www.56thfightergroup.org/tac.html

Very helpfull..! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good link there DooDah. Thank you.

WV

willyvic
04-24-2007, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Diablo310th:
good job willyvic and Sour. ~S~ 310th by the way...these 2 guys work well together. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And Howdy at ya Diablo. Cya online.

WV

stathem
04-24-2007, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by willyvic:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
Nice post Willy.

One quick question, what lateral separation between the pair do you use? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Routinely Sour and I will be patrolling in a modified wedge, very close together. When a bogey is spotted we then separate and establish the 2 and 10 posture. The initial lateral separation is dependent upon bogey distance and not a predefined measurement. We use the canopy framing to maintain position.

WV </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

RgrT, thanks.

BrotherVoodoo
04-24-2007, 03:43 PM
Great stuff guys! These tactics are something that I have challenged myself to study and deploy everytime I go up. I will not leave my wingman!!!!

willyvic
04-24-2007, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
...I will not leave my wingman!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen.

WV

willyvic
04-25-2007, 01:41 PM
bump