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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 02:18 PM
First off- I bought FB a week ago (thank you, Oleg, for progressive increase/decrease FOV capability!! SO much better that IL-2's 3 FOV choices) and I've played online a few times to notice that you really need that CEM advantage- planes that should have been slower than me were pulling away!

In any case- I think it's time I learnt CEM and I was wondering what keyboard assignments you guys use.

I don't really have the cash to blow on a CH throttle- type deal (I was considering buying a Nostromo (sp?), but I couldn't find one), but if you want to discuss more elaborate set-ups [me drool thinking about pourshot's (I think- sorry if I'm wrong :] ) machined throttle quadrant- one sweet set-up] please feel free to do so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,
Cold Gambler

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 02:18 PM
First off- I bought FB a week ago (thank you, Oleg, for progressive increase/decrease FOV capability!! SO much better that IL-2's 3 FOV choices) and I've played online a few times to notice that you really need that CEM advantage- planes that should have been slower than me were pulling away!

In any case- I think it's time I learnt CEM and I was wondering what keyboard assignments you guys use.

I don't really have the cash to blow on a CH throttle- type deal (I was considering buying a Nostromo (sp?), but I couldn't find one), but if you want to discuss more elaborate set-ups [me drool thinking about pourshot's (I think- sorry if I'm wrong :] ) machined throttle quadrant- one sweet set-up] please feel free to do so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,
Cold Gambler

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 02:43 PM
GTet a Saitek X45...great stick for the price....$79..US or you can go here and try to get a refurbed for $39... I got mine on sale for $49 about 2 months ago..finally got my rebate check..LOL.... http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html

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Zayets
07-29-2003, 02:55 PM
X45 is the answer , cheap compared with Cougar but with lotta functions. I've mapped on hat 3 on the throttle UP/DN for increase prop pitch , LF/RT for mixture. Fire D on the throttle I use it for WEP (afterburner /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , I wait for LOMAC as well , mind you). Also , if I fly the heavy bombers , I've mapped mode 3 on the throttle as bomb mode , I use all buttons on the throttle to play with the bombsight.
Now wait until the ace of farce , so called RBJ , will step in yelling for that cH throtle ( that one who fails).


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:18 PM
Or you could jut get an old (gameport) joystick and rewire it to work on a different axis and have yourself a new controller.

I now have a trim wheel and prop pitch wheel in a box with two extra buttons, all from an old joystick costing 1.99 from Oxfam.


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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:26 PM
You'd never guess it, but the CH yoke (plus pedals) is the best controller I've ever used for flight sims. There are lots of controls at your fingertips, plus throttle and several other controllers on the console.

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:31 PM
First, I use the keypad numbers with 0 being 100 and '.' being 0. Plus and Minus are for increase/decrease.

Shift is for throttle.

Alt is for prop pitch.

Ctrl is for mix.

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:32 PM
Cpt-Madcowz Very funny pick. Beats learning how to fly and all that gunnery practice we won't have to do anymore./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 04:51 PM
THanks to all!

I think I'll try Cossack's keyboard settings in the short-term, I've got a busted Logitck stick that I'm ready and will to take apart to do a Madcowz- type experiment...

those refursbished sticks are less expensive than I thought so if my attempt at lobotomizing the logitech stick doesn't work I'll probably go that route /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers-
Cold

michapma
07-29-2003, 04:54 PM
Here's what I have worked out for myself. It's off the top of my head though.

Prop control:
"Inc. pitch" NumPad +
"Dec. pitch" NumPat &minus;
10% 1
20% 2
...
90% 9
100% 0
Auto/100% 0 or Shift+0

Mix control:
Richer Down arrow, Shift+NumPad +
Leaner Up arrow, Shift+NumPad &minus;
10% Ctrl+1
20% Ctrl+2
...
90% Ctrl+9
100% Ctrl+0
Get 120% by using Inc. mix control (Down arrow for me)

Supercharger:
Next stage Right arrow, Shift+S
Prev. stage Left arrow, Ctrl+S

Radiator
Toggle with R

For the selecting engines on bombers I have some controls programmed, and for the bombing sights as well but I am not so experienced in this department.

Basically I reassigned the convenient one-touch keys that I wasn't using because of the joystick. I assigned the "prop-pitch" commands (they are actually governor commands with constant-speed props) the 1&ndash;0 keys because I find them to be the ones I use the most.

Cheers,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:13 PM
I have the Nostromo keypad and love it. You can get it for $25 at

http://www.techdepot.com/Product.asp?ProductID=370884&iid=342

There are ten keys, plus a eight-way toggle, which you can use to shift the ten keys into four different groups (a total of 40 possible keys). I've remapped the most commonly used FB keys to the Nostromo and still have spare keys left. It's especially helpful for CEM and other commonly used keys which are immediately available. My right index finger is always over prop pitch up/down; wep on/off is right there too, as are pilot lock, radiator, gunsight/wide angle view and map on/off.

I takes some thought as to what layout works best for you and you have to relearn commands. But after you're set up and familiarized, it's much easier and faster than keyboard commands.

The only drawback is that the Nostromo throttle does not have fine control. Thus, the throttle jumps from full to 100% to 90% to 87% (dunno why, but it does), to 80%, etc. as you decrease. That doesn't cause much problems with prop planes (for me, it's 100% or 80% or 20% throttle most of time anyway /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ). But I can't use the Nostromo throttle for an Me262 and have to resort to the throttle on my stick (MS FFB2).

Other than that, I give it two thumbs up!

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:16 PM
Thanks Mike,

if I recall you also are making a throttle quadrant- thanks for those updates.

I'm going to spend this evening experimenting with your settings as well, see what feels most natural/convenient with my current key mapping :-)

CG

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:21 PM
I use the X-45, and put prop pitch on the thumb rotary, and elevator trim on the finger rotary.

For mixture, I just use the 1-0 on the top of my keyboard, as well as + and -.

I use the keypad for different stations in bombers.

-i.e. He-111

8=pilot
7=bombardier
9=nose gunner
4=left waist
5=dorsal gunner
6=right waist
2 = belly gunner.
I use the + and - on keypad for FOV changes.

seems to work well.---less confusion.

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