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Istreliteli
07-09-2004, 11:25 PM
whats the best video card to get, ATI radeon xt8000 or nvidia geforce 6800FX ultra?
or should i be happy with my geforce 4MX

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

Istreliteli
07-09-2004, 11:25 PM
whats the best video card to get, ATI radeon xt8000 or nvidia geforce 6800FX ultra?
or should i be happy with my geforce 4MX

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

LuckyBoy1
07-09-2004, 11:28 PM
I think you a trolling for fanboy garbage.

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Slight9999
07-09-2004, 11:31 PM
Hard to say. Right now X800 wins BM but not by much. So basically ATI wins by a 12 Volt lead.

6800 = 24V and 480 Watt PS - not cool.

However, nvidia DOES claim the 6800 has direct9.0c support for when it comes out and ATI does not.

But who knows what the final DX9.0c will bring and Nvidia has lied many, many times before.

Also Nvidia is getting its name all over most games but for HL2 - its gonna be ATI.

Istreliteli
07-09-2004, 11:34 PM
how very contributive to my honest search for a better FB gaming experience, luckyboy
/sarcasm off
thanx slight.
ps-im not trolling and i dont even really understand what luckyboy said, i just want to know what product line/product is better.

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

Slight9999
07-09-2004, 11:40 PM
Basically what I said is all there is to it. Both cards perform about equal. Each has its own strengths of course...

X800 did when most benchmarks but not by much.

So it comes down to - do you have a 480W PS for Nvidias card? (need 2 12Volt PS cables going to it) And do you believe it really has Directx9.0c support?

Both are also priced at about the same amount. Its really a toss up. 24volts worth the 'so-called' DX9.0c support?

F16_txmx
07-09-2004, 11:43 PM
I would get the nVidia 6800GT if i were you. It has, as said above support for DirectX 9.0c, as well as Shader Model 3.0 (for example - Far Cry patch 1.1 supports this giving the 6800 cards a good performance boost) which ATi Radeon X800 doesen't have. The 6800GT also seems to win most fps races over Radeon X800 Pro.

As you can read i am not that happy right now over my X800 Pro. Sure it is a nice card and almost all games run very very nice but still, the 6800GT more and more seems like beeing the better deal.

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VW-IceFire
07-09-2004, 11:50 PM
Good points TXMX...on the other hand the X800 is more power conservative, has better FSAA options (and takes less of a FPS hit with them on as do all ATI cards), and if its a factor, its a smaller form factor card too.

Essentially...Istreliteli, there is no card that is obviously the winner of this latest round. Thats a good sign...both nVidia and ATI put out excellent offerings. If I had a choice, I'd go ATI and if others had the choice they would go nVidia...it depends on what features matter the most...to you.

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arcadeace
07-09-2004, 11:54 PM
They're really both about the same. Initially the X800 had the edge but I've seen very recent reviews at few reputable sites in which the 6800 actually had a slight advantage, even with full AA and AF (there are numerous factors involved). As far as the power supply, the initial word was 480 watts for the 6800, but that's been reduced: 300-350 is fine with no overclock, and 480 with overclock. You're gonna need a solid power supply no matter which one. I recommend going for the best bang/buck you can get, considering both manufacturers equal out. Time to say bye to the Gforce 4MX.

Slight9999
07-09-2004, 11:58 PM
Agreed... bye bye Geforce4 Mx.

If you want to save money - go for a 9600XT or 9800XT. The 9600XT is THEE BEST bang for the buck ratio. Cheap card in waaayyy better performer then fx5200 or fx5600.

And you can't go wrong with the 9800XT as its price will be dropping fast.

-97-Cmirko
07-10-2004, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F16_txmx:

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oh man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, you have a great card for softmods http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, dont know if you are familiar with it but i would go and check this link if i were you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33766704&page=1&pp=30

btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, great setup ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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F16_txmx
07-10-2004, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -97-Cmirko:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F16_txmx:

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P4 3GHz | ABIT IC7-G | 1GB DDR PC2700 |

Radeon X800 Pro VIVO

oh man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, you have a great card for softmods http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, dont know if you are familiar with it but i would go and check this link if i were you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33766704&page=1&pp=30

btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, great setup ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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Yeah know, already flashed the card and have all 16 pipes active! Now just waiting for a good VGA cooler that supports X800 cards. When i get one i will run it at XT speed (520/560) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Slechtvalk
07-10-2004, 10:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
They're really both about the same. Initially the X800 had the edge but I've seen very recent reviews at few reputable sites in which the 6800 actually had a slight advantage, even with full AA and AF (there are numerous factors involved). As far as the power supply, the initial word was 480 watts for the 6800, but that's been reduced: 300-350 is fine with no overclock, and 480 with overclock. You're gonna need a solid power supply no matter which one. I recommend going for the best bang/buck you can get, considering both manufacturers equal out. Time to say bye to the Gforce 4MX.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got a 6800GT with a 250 watt running fine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
6800GT seems a better buy than the 800pro.

SwingerSpecial
07-10-2004, 02:29 PM
If you like tinkering, go with ATi (New drivers every month) - If you want something that just works, get the Nvidia card.

lbhskier37
07-10-2004, 03:51 PM
get whichever one comes with the best bundle of games. Actually though if you are replacing a **** GF4mx, chances are you might not have a very high end cpu either. How fast is the rest of your system? YOu might want to go with a Radeon 9800Pro which can be had for $200ish and a faster processor or more ram.

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Istreliteli
07-10-2004, 05:44 PM
thanx guys, i have a 2.0ghz p4 dell,
768 ddr ram,
geforce 4mx

i just got + 512 ram from 256, hence my 768 RAM..
and i realize my pc should settle for a less modern vpu...maybe the previous gen instead of cutting edge...
ps-is geforce 4 mx that bad?

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

Slechtvalk
07-10-2004, 06:09 PM
A picture from my 6800gt, about 40 fps/sec inside cockpit the whole time! (xp3000)

http://www.mkbgroep.nl/foto/wow.jpg

lbhskier37
07-10-2004, 06:17 PM
Eh, I wouldnt bother getting a new video card then. The rest of your computer is too slow, the card wont really help. Problem is you have a Dell, depending on its age you might be able to get a 3ghz CPU to work in there, but if its the old socket you are already maxed out. I would call dell and see what the fastest chip you can stick in there is. Actually the thing I would really do if I had a Dell involves a baseball bat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif But that is because I did tech support at a school that used Dells (made my want to strangle myself on many occasions, no offense to your system choice those things are pure junk)

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Slechtvalk
07-10-2004, 06:19 PM
http://www.mkbgroep.nl/foto/screenie.jpg

PF_Coastie
07-10-2004, 06:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slechtvalk:
A picture from my 6800gt, about 40 fps/sec inside cockpit the whole time! (xp3000) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you know you are getting 40fps the "whole time" How? I don't see an fps counter anywhere.

Those screenies are awesome man, very nice!

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Kondor99
07-10-2004, 10:18 PM
It appears to be common knowledge that Nvidia has an advantage in OpenGL. I currently own a 9800 pro (great card), but will probably pick up a 6800GT when they hit $299.

crazyivan1970
07-10-2004, 10:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kondor99:
It appears to be common knowledge that Nvidia has an advantage in OpenGL. I currently own a 9800 pro (great card), but will probably pick up a 6800GT when they hit $299.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never heard about such common knowledge... i guess there is a first time for everything http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


To original poster:
At this point you don`t need a monster video card. 9800pro will do just fine with what you have and improvements will be fenomenal. Save money for bigger and better things. Your current video deffinitely lacks, but there is no need for 450 dollars monster to make a huge difference. About 200 bucks and you will hardly recognize your beloved AEP.

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Slechtvalk
07-11-2004, 01:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
And you know you are getting 40fps the "whole time" How? I don't see an fps counter anywhere.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had it on in a coop mission. But I don't get 40fps on all maps though. My processor is the bottleneck now.

Slechtvalk
07-11-2004, 02:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Istreliteli:
thanx guys, i have a 2.0ghz p4 dell,
768 ddr ram,
geforce 4mx

i just got + 512 ram from 256, hence my 768 RAM..
and i realize my pc should settle for a less modern vpu...maybe the previous gen instead of cutting edge...
ps-is geforce 4 mx that bad?

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

4mx is really bad yes. And sure you will see an improvement when replacing your videocard! Get a 9800pro which is the best card you can buy for your money.