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Archer_F4U
03-25-2006, 11:25 PM
Here's a somewhat random question about the Beaufighter.

The Beaufighter carries 60lb HE rocket projectiles in PF.
I've read that UK based Beaufighter squadrons (specifically 404 Sqdn) used 25lb AP RPs against shipping.

How effective would 60lb HE rockets (ie the Beaufighter's load in PF) be against shipping?

Archer_F4U
03-25-2006, 11:25 PM
Here's a somewhat random question about the Beaufighter.

The Beaufighter carries 60lb HE rocket projectiles in PF.
I've read that UK based Beaufighter squadrons (specifically 404 Sqdn) used 25lb AP RPs against shipping.

How effective would 60lb HE rockets (ie the Beaufighter's load in PF) be against shipping?

HotelBushranger
03-26-2006, 12:24 AM
Try em out for yourself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A salvo of 60 lb rockets is the same as a broadside from a battleship http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

slo_1_2_3
03-26-2006, 12:30 AM
Speaking of rockets I"ve always wondered what hvar and ap stand for ap is armour peircing right bur whats hvar?

HotelBushranger
03-26-2006, 12:32 AM
High Velocity something Rocket?

JG53Frankyboy
03-26-2006, 03:39 AM
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/5in-rockets.html


go to QMB, use the pacific island map - there are 4 Frieghters/Tankers on the map. there you can easy test the rockets.
so far i remember 2 HVAR are sinking a Freighter/Tanker . cant remember the british rockets anymore, but, if at all, not much more are needed

ImpStarDuece
03-26-2006, 05:02 AM
Strangely enough, while the 25lbs AP warhead was developed to attack tanks and the 60lbs SAP warhead was developed to attack shipping, they actually changed duties at some point in the war.

Strike wings of Beaufighters and Mosquitos often carried the 25lbs AP warheads for operations against submarines and warships. If it struck the surface of the water, the AP warhead would continue on for a ways, hopefully ripping the bottom out of its target or puncturing the hull of a sumbarine.

The 60lbr, originally intended as an anti-shipping weapon, found favour with the ground attack forces because its larger charge of high explosive did much more damage to soft or lightly armoured target than the small charge 25lbs AP warhead.


P.S.

HVAR = High Velocity Aerial Rocket http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

raisen
03-26-2006, 07:17 AM
A salvo of 60 lb rockets is the same as a broadside from a battleship

More along the lines of a broadside from a destroyer. Battleship main armament shells being more like 2 or 3 (Yamato was about 3,300 I think) thousand pounds. Eight or nine of which would be extremely bad news to a city block.

Raisen

Archer_F4U
03-26-2006, 08:33 AM
I know how effective they are in PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I was wondering why UK based Beaufighter and Mosquito squadrons employed 25lb AP rockets against shipping, if it was that 60lb HE rockets weren't too good against shipping, or 25lb APs were just better. Thanks for the replies.

Time for a "We want 25lb AP Rockets" campaign? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

djetz
03-26-2006, 08:35 AM
The real Beaufighter question is:

Why didn't they give that bloke in the back a machine gun?

marc_hawkins
03-26-2006, 08:41 AM
The original models did have, but by the time the ozzie version we have was rolled out, the japanese air threat was reduced enough for them not to bother mostly. ETO beaufighters kept them though I think.

Archer_F4U
03-26-2006, 09:10 AM
While we're talking about Beaufighter armament, can anyone clear this up for me?

With F (fighter command) and C (coastal command) variants of almost every version produced, I have yet to find a website that explains exactly what the differences are. The majority aren't clear about how the subvariants were armed.

From the options available (6x.303 or long range tanks, and with or without a .303 tail gun) I found a site that said Coastal Command Beaufighters had long-range tanks and tail guns, while Fighter Command Beaus had the six wing guns and no tail gun. But I've seen Beaufighters in Burma with tail guns, so unless they got some Cs I don't see how the site could be right, unless it was a field mod.

As for the Mk21 we have in game, I don't really care about the gun, but I sure would love to be able to jump to the navigator's position and look around a bit. It wouldn't be a huge problem in some planes, but the Beaufighter has such a limited view to the sides it's a pain not to have the view available.

-HH-Dubbo
03-26-2006, 05:01 PM
If nothing else, the observer should talk to you about what he is observing, and advise accordingly. Surely this shouldn't be so difficult to do.

Beaufort-RAF
03-26-2006, 05:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Dubbo:
If nothing else, the observer should talk to you about what he is observing, and advise accordingly. Surely this shouldn't be so difficult to do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, and that would be more realistic then jumping into the rear yourself.

If he simply said 'fighter 6 o'clock' it would be a huge help.

Adam906
03-26-2006, 09:23 PM
Jump in the rear?

WTF????

I've never been able to jump in the rear of the Beau.. It's so annoying. I like the armament of the B.Fighter but unless escorted you are going to get your backside kicked from here to Valhalla. Visibility to byond 3 o'clock round to 9 o'clock is nil. The radio op says nothing so taking on a gaggle of anything but rookie zeros is just like asking to be blown out of the sky

Archer_F4U
03-26-2006, 10:10 PM
That's exactly why it's been said it'd be nice to be able to jump into the rear or at least have the navigator tell you if someone is coming up behind you.

squid1988
04-01-2006, 02:13 PM
in the aircraft with rear gunners like the SBD il2 D3a1 the rear gunner gives you warnings of attacking fighters by telling you to break

couldn't this be added to the Beaufighter in the next update?

Waldo.Pepper
04-01-2006, 04:56 PM
Used on Shermans of the Coldstream Guards, to good effect as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/tank/RocketSherman.jpg