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CrackerMonkey
05-16-2006, 07:33 PM
To relieve some of the tension seen lately at these forums (created mostly by people posting the same old "Will it be released for the 360/PC?" and "Future? What the hell?") I decided to make a topic myself, inspired by this thread's (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6031043244/p/3) somewhat derailed subject of Altairs hidden blade.

The issue is this: Does the blade come out from his sleeve or from where his ring finger should be? The trailer shows this:
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2118/bsplayer200605168um.jpg
You can clearly see that it's coming out from his sleeve, as one would think. This is after all the most traditional spot to place stuff for easy concealment if you need it handy at a moments notice.

However, this concept art complicates the situation:
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/4593/conceptart13gx.gif

And another one:
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/11/conceptart26qg.gif
In these two, it appears as if the blade is actually sticking out from the place where his ring finger should have been. These two sources seem to completely contradict each other, but you could of course write these latter images off as early sketches.

However, IGN reports the following:
"While the knight attempted to free his sword from his scabbard, he was no match for the assassin, who stabbed him in the neck with a retractable blade (which we later found out was given to him when he joined his guild for the price of his left ring finger)."
This may sound like he had to get rid of his ring finger to make room for the blade, which would back up the theory about the blade being fitted into his ring finger. Nevertheless, it doesn't explicitly state that. It could also be interpreted as a proof of commitment to the order that gave him the knife. Maybe he had to prove that he was willing to go to great lengths for his superiors.

If you're gonna look at this from a realistic perspective, then of course the idea about a switchblade being surgically implanted into a wound is absurd. I'm not even gonna elaborate on the impossibilities of this, but key issues are how he's going to trigger the spring inside his hand and the stability of the actual design if implanted in the skeleton of the subject. (He's gonna have major problems with reaching the mechanism and the pain that he undoubtedly would experience for each blow.) Of course, supporters of the blade-in-finger theory could argue that this is a video game and that real-world physics don't apply.

Then, I found this video (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/772/772025/vids_1.html) (the "teaser") that clearly shows how the blade works. These images show how it operates:

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4933/bsplayer20060517021624842sq.png
Here we see that the user is required to press a button to activate the blades spring feature. He is most likely using his other hand to do this. The object directly over the button seems to be spring-based already there. It's unlocked by the button and subsequently pulls a string which leads to the lock in the next image. Although I must question the safety of this system as opposed to a more switch-like lock.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7924/bsplayer20060517023134355kq.png
The button appears to unlock something, presumably the cog in the next image. How the cog is actually set in motion, I have no idea. Suggestions to this would be welcomed.

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/3046/bsplayer20060517021629812pl.png
The cogs reveal that the spring mechanism are of complex design, perhaps a little bit too complex if you ask me. The whole process of actually getting the blade out takes a whole 8 seconds, assuming that time isn't slowed down to better show the mechanism in the video. This might be the case though, as the unlucky knight that gets stabbed in the end seems to notice that something is wrong a second before Altair activates his switchblade. You would think that in a window of 8 seconds he would be able to do something to defend himself, so I suspect that a time distortion is the problem here.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9862/bsplayer20060517021631214ua.png
Another, more zoomed out view of the blades mechanism. To my eyes, it looks like the button seen earlier makes the cog go around which then "unlocks" some strings seen in the next image.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7758/bsplayer20060517023200345ny.png
The aforementioned strings. I suspect that they act as the spring, considering that they're fixed to a wheel-like component and starts to move as soon as they're unlocked. Either the strings could be elastic, though I kind of doubt this as elastic material was rare back in the days, or they could actually just hold the blade in place. This leads to another startling theory: The blade is actually not spring-based at all, but relies on gravity to release it from it's initial position. More on this later.

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/7061/bsplayer20060517023212756xj.png
The blade is released and moves at great speed towards what would appear to be the end of Altairs sleeve. By great speed I actually mean the speed at which say, a dagger falls to the ground, not the kind lightning-fast speed that is so characteristic of a regular modern switchblade at all. Again, this could be time distortion playing tricks on us.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2916/bsplayer20060517023206763kw.png
This again confirms the sleeve theory, although it appears as if the blade is in fact inside the clothing, not fixed to Altairs wrist, as one would expect. This gives some credibility to my theory of the gravity-driven blade, but I'll get back to that.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5615/bsplayer20060517021854753pk.png

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2364/bsplayer20060517021855043cl.png

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6928/bsplayer20060517021855282go.png
These next three images at least clears up why Altair appears to be having a knife for a finger. It's actually just his way of holding it.

This also makes sense because if my theory about the gravity-driven blade is correct, then you would need to hold it firmly when you strike, as the blade would just retract if you didn't. Moreover, it's essential to hold it with your hands in some way when it's not attached to your wrist at all, or you'll risk it tearing up the clothing the blade is attached to and losing a great deal of the force behind the strike in the process. This is however, countered by a contradiction to this feature in the trailer. We can see Altair not holding his blade at all when stabbing his victim. This would suggest that it is in fact strapped to his wrist, but still inside the clothing.

Maybe you have noticed how Altair can activate his blade on the go, as seen in the trailer when he jumps at his target? This I suspect is due to centrifugal force that is created by lashing out his arm. I could be wrong of course. I don't know if the developers intended the design of the blade to be examined closely, so any contradictions could be chalked up to the developers not taking it that seriously or my lacking skills of observation I guess. Another contradiction that is apparent is the short time it takes (about 0.5 seconds and this is even during a major slowdown in time) and the lack of button-pushing during the trailer, as opposed to the teaser where Altair have to push the button to activate the blade and the blade uses about 8 seconds to be released. One might speculate that it's actually two different blades, though this sounds unlikely. Why would he use the gravity-driven one if he had the seemingly spring-driven one? It makes no sense. Suggestions would be welcome here too. I'm at a loss.

It would of course not be wise to hold a blade without a hilt in your hand, and it looks like Altair is holding some sort of hilt that actually sticks far enough out of the base hilt to grab it. This is unusual for a switchblade, but considering the other strange features of the blade, like it being fastened to a piece of cloth and being gravity-driven, it's utterly necessary. If it is in fact strapped to his wrist, holding would be a good way to deal with more precise maneuvers, like targeting more vulnerable area.

The mystery about the missing ring finger is also solved: You risk cutting yourself if you have all five fingers, so ironically you have to cut one off to make room for the blade.

Since nothing can be made out of the provided imagery to determine the way the blade is retracted, we can only assume that is has to be push back in manually, possibly with the aid of some sort of protection for hands to avoid injury. The blade would probably lock itself in place when fully retracted.

Nice to see that the developers have such a keen eye for details. I'm looking forward to hearing about the real mechanics behind it all, although I fear it might go unanswered.

So, to sum up:
<LI>The blade is attached to the sleeve, not the finger or the wrist, though it may be attached to the wrist through the clothing of the sleeve.
<LI>To release the blade, it is necessary to press a button, probably with your free hand, although contradictions have been spotted.
<LI>The blade may be gravity-driven, with no spring at all, except the initial one that is connected to the button.
<LI>It may however also be spring-based, though no images have been provided to confirm this. This might suggest two seperate blades.
<LI>To be able to handle the blade properly, the ring finger needs to be removed.
<LI>The blade has (unlike regular switchblades) an extra hilt that is released with it. This hilt is used to steady the blade and keep it in place when a strike occurs.
<LI>It is still unknown how the blade is retracted.
So, hope you all enjoyed it. Comments, ideas, thoughts and the likes are very welcome.

This document is subject for changes. I'll add more as I think of things or get input.

CrackerMonkey
05-16-2006, 07:33 PM
To relieve some of the tension seen lately at these forums (created mostly by people posting the same old "Will it be released for the 360/PC?" and "Future? What the hell?") I decided to make a topic myself, inspired by this thread's (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6031043244/p/3) somewhat derailed subject of Altairs hidden blade.

The issue is this: Does the blade come out from his sleeve or from where his ring finger should be? The trailer shows this:
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2118/bsplayer200605168um.jpg
You can clearly see that it's coming out from his sleeve, as one would think. This is after all the most traditional spot to place stuff for easy concealment if you need it handy at a moments notice.

However, this concept art complicates the situation:
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/4593/conceptart13gx.gif

And another one:
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/11/conceptart26qg.gif
In these two, it appears as if the blade is actually sticking out from the place where his ring finger should have been. These two sources seem to completely contradict each other, but you could of course write these latter images off as early sketches.

However, IGN reports the following:
"While the knight attempted to free his sword from his scabbard, he was no match for the assassin, who stabbed him in the neck with a retractable blade (which we later found out was given to him when he joined his guild for the price of his left ring finger)."
This may sound like he had to get rid of his ring finger to make room for the blade, which would back up the theory about the blade being fitted into his ring finger. Nevertheless, it doesn't explicitly state that. It could also be interpreted as a proof of commitment to the order that gave him the knife. Maybe he had to prove that he was willing to go to great lengths for his superiors.

If you're gonna look at this from a realistic perspective, then of course the idea about a switchblade being surgically implanted into a wound is absurd. I'm not even gonna elaborate on the impossibilities of this, but key issues are how he's going to trigger the spring inside his hand and the stability of the actual design if implanted in the skeleton of the subject. (He's gonna have major problems with reaching the mechanism and the pain that he undoubtedly would experience for each blow.) Of course, supporters of the blade-in-finger theory could argue that this is a video game and that real-world physics don't apply.

Then, I found this video (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/772/772025/vids_1.html) (the "teaser") that clearly shows how the blade works. These images show how it operates:

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4933/bsplayer20060517021624842sq.png
Here we see that the user is required to press a button to activate the blades spring feature. He is most likely using his other hand to do this. The object directly over the button seems to be spring-based already there. It's unlocked by the button and subsequently pulls a string which leads to the lock in the next image. Although I must question the safety of this system as opposed to a more switch-like lock.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7924/bsplayer20060517023134355kq.png
The button appears to unlock something, presumably the cog in the next image. How the cog is actually set in motion, I have no idea. Suggestions to this would be welcomed.

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/3046/bsplayer20060517021629812pl.png
The cogs reveal that the spring mechanism are of complex design, perhaps a little bit too complex if you ask me. The whole process of actually getting the blade out takes a whole 8 seconds, assuming that time isn't slowed down to better show the mechanism in the video. This might be the case though, as the unlucky knight that gets stabbed in the end seems to notice that something is wrong a second before Altair activates his switchblade. You would think that in a window of 8 seconds he would be able to do something to defend himself, so I suspect that a time distortion is the problem here.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/9862/bsplayer20060517021631214ua.png
Another, more zoomed out view of the blades mechanism. To my eyes, it looks like the button seen earlier makes the cog go around which then "unlocks" some strings seen in the next image.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7758/bsplayer20060517023200345ny.png
The aforementioned strings. I suspect that they act as the spring, considering that they're fixed to a wheel-like component and starts to move as soon as they're unlocked. Either the strings could be elastic, though I kind of doubt this as elastic material was rare back in the days, or they could actually just hold the blade in place. This leads to another startling theory: The blade is actually not spring-based at all, but relies on gravity to release it from it's initial position. More on this later.

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/7061/bsplayer20060517023212756xj.png
The blade is released and moves at great speed towards what would appear to be the end of Altairs sleeve. By great speed I actually mean the speed at which say, a dagger falls to the ground, not the kind lightning-fast speed that is so characteristic of a regular modern switchblade at all. Again, this could be time distortion playing tricks on us.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2916/bsplayer20060517023206763kw.png
This again confirms the sleeve theory, although it appears as if the blade is in fact inside the clothing, not fixed to Altairs wrist, as one would expect. This gives some credibility to my theory of the gravity-driven blade, but I'll get back to that.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5615/bsplayer20060517021854753pk.png

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2364/bsplayer20060517021855043cl.png

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6928/bsplayer20060517021855282go.png
These next three images at least clears up why Altair appears to be having a knife for a finger. It's actually just his way of holding it.

This also makes sense because if my theory about the gravity-driven blade is correct, then you would need to hold it firmly when you strike, as the blade would just retract if you didn't. Moreover, it's essential to hold it with your hands in some way when it's not attached to your wrist at all, or you'll risk it tearing up the clothing the blade is attached to and losing a great deal of the force behind the strike in the process. This is however, countered by a contradiction to this feature in the trailer. We can see Altair not holding his blade at all when stabbing his victim. This would suggest that it is in fact strapped to his wrist, but still inside the clothing.

Maybe you have noticed how Altair can activate his blade on the go, as seen in the trailer when he jumps at his target? This I suspect is due to centrifugal force that is created by lashing out his arm. I could be wrong of course. I don't know if the developers intended the design of the blade to be examined closely, so any contradictions could be chalked up to the developers not taking it that seriously or my lacking skills of observation I guess. Another contradiction that is apparent is the short time it takes (about 0.5 seconds and this is even during a major slowdown in time) and the lack of button-pushing during the trailer, as opposed to the teaser where Altair have to push the button to activate the blade and the blade uses about 8 seconds to be released. One might speculate that it's actually two different blades, though this sounds unlikely. Why would he use the gravity-driven one if he had the seemingly spring-driven one? It makes no sense. Suggestions would be welcome here too. I'm at a loss.

It would of course not be wise to hold a blade without a hilt in your hand, and it looks like Altair is holding some sort of hilt that actually sticks far enough out of the base hilt to grab it. This is unusual for a switchblade, but considering the other strange features of the blade, like it being fastened to a piece of cloth and being gravity-driven, it's utterly necessary. If it is in fact strapped to his wrist, holding would be a good way to deal with more precise maneuvers, like targeting more vulnerable area.

The mystery about the missing ring finger is also solved: You risk cutting yourself if you have all five fingers, so ironically you have to cut one off to make room for the blade.

Since nothing can be made out of the provided imagery to determine the way the blade is retracted, we can only assume that is has to be push back in manually, possibly with the aid of some sort of protection for hands to avoid injury. The blade would probably lock itself in place when fully retracted.

Nice to see that the developers have such a keen eye for details. I'm looking forward to hearing about the real mechanics behind it all, although I fear it might go unanswered.

So, to sum up:
<LI>The blade is attached to the sleeve, not the finger or the wrist, though it may be attached to the wrist through the clothing of the sleeve.
<LI>To release the blade, it is necessary to press a button, probably with your free hand, although contradictions have been spotted.
<LI>The blade may be gravity-driven, with no spring at all, except the initial one that is connected to the button.
<LI>It may however also be spring-based, though no images have been provided to confirm this. This might suggest two seperate blades.
<LI>To be able to handle the blade properly, the ring finger needs to be removed.
<LI>The blade has (unlike regular switchblades) an extra hilt that is released with it. This hilt is used to steady the blade and keep it in place when a strike occurs.
<LI>It is still unknown how the blade is retracted.
So, hope you all enjoyed it. Comments, ideas, thoughts and the likes are very welcome.

This document is subject for changes. I'll add more as I think of things or get input.

Quinncint24
05-16-2006, 08:13 PM
Very interesting sum up of how the blade mechanics work. I'd be very interested in knowing how the blade returns to its concealed position. The video's don't actually show it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The blade is out then it's not or perhaps I'm just not seeing it... And if there is still blood on the blade, would he even bother? Couldn't imagine it being fun cleaning a device like that in those days.

Anyways, well written post! Great to see something other then 360/PC version posts lol

CrackerMonkey
05-16-2006, 08:22 PM
Thank you.
And yeah, the if it's gravity-driven then it probably have to be pushed back into place manually, though you would need some sort of heavy-duty cover to be able to push it with your hands. I think I'll update my initial post a bit. I've thought of some rather interesting possibilities.

HorTyS
05-16-2006, 08:30 PM
what i don't understand is how there was ever any confusion over where the blade comes out? hadn't these people seen the trailer, it clearly comes out of his sleeve and he uses the space where his ring finger used to be to hold it with the middle and pinky fingers.
all i wanna know is how exactly you use it. Do you hit a button to release it and then is the Square (arm attack with weapon) used for attacks? can you have a sword equiped at the same time using both hands with weapons?

i just hope this game comes to 360...

Illidan23
05-16-2006, 08:38 PM
Very interesting post. Good Information.

CrackerMonkey
05-16-2006, 08:50 PM
@hortys_99
Please don't bring the 360/PC discussion in here.

Obviously, you haven't got any interest in the finer aspects of a medium as complex as a video game and the historical and technical basis on which it is established, so I guess you can't be helped really. The game won't be out in a long time, so it's just natural to focus on the smaller things since it's the only direct source of info we have at the moment. We hardly know anything about the controls at this point except what you just pointed out about buttons representing different parts of your body. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

For me, things like this is what keeps the game interesting until it is released. Analyzing every scrap of information I can get my hands on, learning about the time period/setting, the design of the different elements, these are all things that I set my mind to in order to better enjoy the game when it's out. I'm expecting great things from this game, so I thought I'd start early. If you don't share my fascination, then nobody's going to force you to look at this thread.

HorTyS
05-16-2006, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrackerMonkey:
@hortys_99
Please don't bring the 360/PC discussion in here.

Obviously, you haven't got any interest in the finer aspects of a medium as complex as a video game and the historical and technical basis on which it is established, so I guess you can't be helped really. The game won't be out in a long time, so it's just natural to focus on the smaller things since it's the only direct source of info we have at the moment. We hardly know anything about the controls at this point except what you just pointed out about buttons representing different parts of your body. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

For me, things like this is what keeps the game interesting until it is released. Analyzing every scrap of information I can get my hands on, learning about the time period/setting, the design of the different elements, these are all things that I set my mind to in order to better enjoy the game when it's out. I'm expecting great things from this game, so I thought I'd start early. If you don't share my fascination, then nobody's going to force you to look at this thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so because i want to play the game on the system i own i "haven't got any interest in the finer aspects of a medium as complex as a video game and the historical and technical basis on which it is established"? i wasn't trying to start a ps3 vs. 360 war or anything, i was just saying i dont' want to have to spend over $500 to play 1 game. believe me, i want this game as much as anyone else, and i am as interested in all the little details as well.
i don't know why you're attacking me.
one thing that is really interesting me, is this futuristic twist the story has. now that it's confirmed that the game has no time travel in it, we have to wonder about the little hints and clues as to why there is a futuristic twist to it. the producer, Jade Raymond, has stated that everything is there for a reason, including the futuristic looking health bar that was apparently seen in the demo. so is this some sort of VR simulation that you play? this is one of the most intersting aspects of the game i think.

CrackerMonkey
05-16-2006, 09:31 PM
Sorry, I think you mistunderstood me.
I was refering to this part:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">what i don't understand is how there was ever any confusion over where the blade comes out? hadn't these people seen the trailer, it clearly comes out of his sleeve and he uses the space where his ring finger used to be to hold it with the middle and pinky fingers.
all i wanna know is how exactly you use it. Do you hit a button to release it and then is the Square (arm attack with weapon) used for attacks? can you have a sword equiped at the same time using both hands with weapons? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My answer to the xbox comment was only: "Please don't bring the 360/PC discussion in here."

I absolutely agree on the future-based aspect of the game being intersting, but there are plenty of threads about that already, so could we just stick to the issue at hand?

ShadowBurne
05-16-2006, 10:53 PM
Hear, hear! Titles for threads are there for a reason.
Now back to the switchblade. Very, very good research I have to say. I wish I could take credit for those finds but sadly, no. You take the cake, so to speak. And yeah, there still are some missing peices in the puzzle. I assume that it's spring loaded, and to trigger the blade he probably has some sort of switch on his palm that he presses on, unlocking the blade and therefore locks into place well outside the brim of his sleeve. I could be wrong, of course. And Ubi is being very secretive about it, which I think is very suspenseful and I absolutely adore it. I think more research should be conducted at once when more information is released, and I'll try and take part in it. If I see something about the blade in any other website or something, I'm coming straight here and post it. But I hardly believe there's anything out there that CrackerMonkey has over-looked, lol.

Lhorkan
05-16-2006, 11:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This also makes sense because if my theory about the gravity-driven blade is correct, then you would need to hold it firmly when you strike, as the blade would just retract if you didn't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The blade would probably lock again when it's fully retracted.

Anyway, nice theories you got there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HorTyS
05-17-2006, 01:12 AM
i think that the way the trailer showing Altair "unlock" the blade was edited in a way that leads to some confusion. when it shows him flip that switch, it shows all these gears turning and mechanisms sliding, but i think some of that stuff is happening simultainiously(&lt;--spelling?) so I don't think it'll take as long to equip the blade as the trailer would lead some to believe.

i didn't realize there had been any confusion over whether the blade came out of his sleeve or his hand, i guess i haven't read all the posts in here but i think that if the blade is triggered by a button that we the players press to equip it, that it'll pretty much be instant.

CrackerMonkey
05-17-2006, 03:39 AM
Thanks for all replies.

@ShadowBurne
Well, let's just say it was a late night yesterday. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You have a point there, with how the blade should lock itself into place when completely out. I'll add it.

@Lhorkan
Thank you for your contribution. Fixed.

@hortys_99
You might truly be right there. As stated, a time distortion seem to occur during the activation process in the teaser. 8 seconds is a long time to get a blade out. You could probably get a regular blade out faster during the same amount of time. In-game, I'm pretty sure that it's instantly, just like you said. Whether this is due to regular game mechanics or if the blade truly has a lightning-quick activation process, we can only guess, but it would be nice to see Altair at least push the button instead of just getting the blade out without any interaction at all.

Cephsus
05-17-2006, 06:02 AM
Why all investigation on this blade? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

The cute producer mention it on the E3 trailers (gametrailers.com) that his finger was cut of to make room for a "knife like blade" to exit his sleeves. And im sure the blade pops right back in the same way it came out.

Done and done. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Vey03
05-17-2006, 06:12 AM
Some good theories here.

Hmm, the 2 videos seem to contradict each other. Because in the trailer, he does not press any button. You see him jumping, and then his arm goes up, and the action goes slow motion to show the blade coming out.
While in the pre-E3 trailer, it clearly shows a button being pressed, and a mechanism working.

The only thing i can say is that maybe the button's on his palm, or just where his wrist starts, so he can do it with one hand. Because it wouldn't be too smart to have a weapon like that, and have to activate it using 2 hands. You know what i'm getting at? You have to take your hand off the victim, or stop protecting yourself to activate the blade. And if he's meant to be a pro, then i would think he'd be smarter than that.

What about a system that works on how much he opens his hand, or bends his wrist back? Logically thinking, you'd have to get your hand back to get it out of the way of the blade as it came out.

FreshAtUT
05-17-2006, 06:20 AM
Overall, I would tend to agree with the gravity-driven idea, or the centrifugal force idea. I seriously doubt the blade is inside the skin, as well. There is one other possibility that, though I haven't read all the posts, may be a partial explanation. The blade/contraption shown in the teaser may not be the same as in the trailer. We know this game has RPG aspects, like leveling and the like. It would make sense that as the game goes on, you would upgrade your weapon. Maybe the whole mechanical aspect is simply an upgrade from a special dagger that can be hidden in the sleeve. Just a thought. I might be wrong.

Azure1985
05-17-2006, 06:53 AM
How could it be gravity driven? In the big trailer the blade clearly comes up against gravity in an instant.

I feel that its a springed mechanism that just locks into place, interesting idea about the skin aspect. I wouldnt be surprised if it were somehow bolted to his wrist to make sure it wouldnt come off and clothes wouldnt get in the way.

Red_Mercury901
05-17-2006, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrackerMonkey:

...So, to sum up:
<LI>The blade is attached to the sleeve, not the finger or the wrist, though it may be attached to the wrist through the clothing of the sleeve....
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank ***. I think it would seriously be stupid if it came out his finger. The whole 'knife that springs out from his amputated finger' realy would ruin it.

Prince.Reza
05-17-2006, 01:27 PM
CrackerMonkey: You're one hell of a precise fella. And that's a compliment. I was already wondering how it worked, but I couldn't figure it out, and I couldn't keep "track" on that teaser in which the dagger was (either) flipped/shot out.

Nice to have you around, so I can sit on my lazy butt and read your interesting theory!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Great examination.

NotLordAtkin
05-17-2006, 02:27 PM
wOOt!!!
anyone noticed that altairs arm on last 3 pics looks like the blade has cut his finger while jumping of his sleeve? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
EDIT: NOT ONLY SEEMS, ALTAIR DOESNT HAVE A RINGFINGER ON HIS LEFT ARM!!!

Quinncint24
05-17-2006, 02:58 PM
Regarding where the switch is to bring out the blade. From what I can see from the trailer, it almost looks like it's on the inside of his wrist.

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4933/bsplayer20060517021624842sq.png

You can tell its on the wrist because the way the wrist is bending I think.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2916/bsplayer20060517023206763kw.png

You can see the switch on the inside of his wrist here. But, it seems like its really high to reach doesnt it? I guess a requirement to becoming an assassin is freakishly long fingers.

Edit: Also note that if the blade's switch is on the wrist, the blade is not instantly drawn. That would be to dangerous. This probably is the reason he is carrying a second dagger and a full sized sword.

Mercer196
05-17-2006, 05:07 PM
ok, i know this is a little off topic of the whole blade thing, but i think the reason he doesnt have a ring finger is so he cant have a ring on it. He could have mad an oath that he had to give up his ring finger so he couldnt get married or attatched to someone and end up putting their life in danger or something, typical hero story. But thats just what im guessing, and since they done have a ring finger he puts the blade there, i see how it could happen.

Assassin999111
05-17-2006, 05:59 PM
The reason it looks like it comes out of Altairs finger is because he has no finger. Because he is in the clan Assassin it is part of the joining ritual. It also helps in using the weapon. So its a mixture of what everyone has said. Yes he has no finger, and yes it comes out of his sleeve. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cephsus
05-17-2006, 07:07 PM
Which is also said in this trailer:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10528&type=mov&pl=game

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote from the producer:
Your main weapon is your hidden blade. Which is when you go through the assissantion initiation, they basicly cut off your finger and install this hidden dagger. And the hidden blade is what you use during your assissantion to get information from people. So you got your hidden blade, your swords, throwing daggers and hole bunch of other weapons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They cut off his finger as a joining ritual.
I gues it also serve as a purpose for when it exit the sleeve it wont cut his finger off. ^_^

stjarvie
05-17-2006, 08:50 PM
I have some ideas. First, similar to throwblades, possibly his thrusting of the arm in the long trailer caused the blade to come out, it clicking in place. Second, I think the blade could mabye be set to lock in certain situations ie. climbing, explaining the button, and to be gravity pulled or w/e. and there could be a small metal attachment on the blade like some pocket knives which u can use to pull it up.
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&lt;-------O-----
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Sumthin like that, the knife in between two metal plates on the arm. A hole could run between the plates and the metal attachment could rest in that groove and go and up and down.

SpyderNynja
05-17-2006, 11:01 PM
Like someone said earlier, wouldn't be it ironic that he cuts off a finger...to avoid cutting off his finger? I just think it's part of joining the guild and the finger thing happens to be a coincidence...or possibly there is somethin more to what a ring finger meant in those days. Possibly, the ring finger would symbolize power? And the blade will become their new finger? Like a new power? Just a theory...would be kinda cool though...

EDIT:: I think I'm onto something, read this wiki article i found: "the names of the ring finger in many languages reflect an ancient belief that it is a magical finger" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_finger)

I love Wiki http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HorTyS
05-17-2006, 11:38 PM
i read something about how them cutting off his ring finger being a sort of initiation to becoming an assassin. then they give him his hidden knife. i don't know if there is some hidden meaning behind it all, i don't really like to over analyze things...

Illuminate1992
05-18-2006, 01:30 PM
great! nice 1 that cleared a hell lot of infomation up for every1! and we all appreciate the time and effort you put in that post lol must have taken ages! Thanks alot for the information!

marceblackguard
05-18-2006, 06:45 PM
In the Game Informer article on the Assassin's Creed it simply states that the ring was removed as a part of his initiation. not much more is said on that.

But there is an image of the blade and it mounted to Altair forearm via a bracer of sorts. The mechanism to extending and retracting the blade, assuming there is a mechanism and it is something rather simple, is probably built onto the bracer, if not in it.

DarK_PhoeniX_22
05-19-2006, 11:15 AM
Perhaps there are two blades. One which comes out of his sleeve & the other of his wrist

Illuminate1992
05-20-2006, 12:45 PM
i doubt that because in the trailer the women only talks about 1

AlexCrimson
05-20-2006, 04:40 PM
No, the reason they remove the ring finger is because when the blade comes out of the wrist thing (yes, the blade is on his wrist), the blade has to have somewhere to go, and from the positioning it passes through the area where the Ring Finger is. so if you clenched your fist the blade would be in the same place as your finger. Removing the finger makes it easier for the wielder to use it. Imagine having to keep your hand out of the way of that blade whenever you use it.

So they remove the finger so you can still use your hand, even with the blade out. And since the ring finger dosent necessarily need to be around to use that hand than they remove that finger specificly.

Borntokill332
05-20-2006, 06:27 PM
I Have the answer! He wears an arm sleeve with the blade attached which is much larger than it appears. The blade goes all the way up the forearm. This sleeve that holds the blade also goes around the pinky finger. So he wears a pinky ring which activates the spring based blade(I guess just by bending his pinky finger?). Read the newest gameinformer(Pg.55), look at the small picture showing the sleeve and blade,read the fine print next to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ViresOdium
05-23-2006, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkAssassin199:
ok, i know this is a little off topic of the whole blade thing, but i think the reason he doesnt have a ring finger is so he cant have a ring on it. He could have mad an oath that he had to give up his ring finger so he couldnt get married or attatched to someone and end up putting their life in danger or something, typical hero story. But thats just what im guessing, and since they done have a ring finger he puts the blade there, i see how it could happen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The wearing of a ring did date back before altairs time period, particularily with the romans.

However, they did say this time period is when the crusaders started to infiltrate jerusalem etc and throw a mix of christian warriors in amongst the muslim's (as they said in the interviews, theres templars and crusaders walking about the cities after you).

Back in that time period of history I'm pretty sure marriage wasn't concluded via the wearing of a ring for the muslim community (which I'm assuming altair and his guild have their roots in). I could be wrong though.

Anyway, back to the concept of the blade.

I think the mechanism may work in a way either in conjuction with the button pressing concept, or instead a trigger that unleashes the spring loaded blade via a flick of the wrist.

If you watch the trailer when altair does his 'eagle swoop' over the guard and assassinates his victim on the hangmans platform he doesn't actually 'throw his arm back' he raises his arm and flicks his hand backwards towards his forearm and the blade springs out. Watch it again a few times and you'll see what I mean.

Also, note altair has a long, what looks to be metal sheath around his entire left forearm that has the 'ring blade' encased and its mechanisms presumably behind it. Maybe the trigger is actually facing INWARD against his wrist, so when he 'flicks' his hand, his wrist pushes the button in, maybe another press releases the blade and lets it sheath again in either one or two fashions:

example case one: the gravity theory, he has to tilt his arm in such a way that causes the blade to slide back up and lock back into place, or;

example case two: the cogs and strings you see in the trailer work on a reverse action spring, on release of the blade it unsheaths, but the momentum of it winds the spring up for the return with some fancy cog work, hence allowing another press of the button to activate it to wind back up in reverse into his arm covering.

Also, in terms of game play, maybe the reason he has swords, crossbows and throwing daggers is because his wrist blade is used specifically for the main assassination attempts, or atleast special one hit kill counter moves (as described by interviews where they wait for the opportune moment of the enemies strike and counter with a one hit kill with his wrist blade). Just some food for thought.

Oh yeah, this is my first post, g'day to you all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

- Vires.

CrackerMonkey
05-23-2006, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The reason it looks like it comes out of Altairs finger is because he has no finger. Because he is in the clan Assassin it is part of the joining ritual. It also helps in using the weapon. So its a mixture of what everyone has said. Yes he has no finger, and yes it comes out of his sleeve. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Duh, read my first post. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I have some ideas. First, similar to throwblades, possibly his thrusting of the arm in the long trailer caused the blade to come out, it clicking in place. Second, I think the blade could mabye be set to lock in certain situations ie. climbing, explaining the button, and to be gravity pulled or w/e. and there could be a small metal attachment on the blade like some pocket knives which u can use to pull it up.
============
&lt;-------O-----
============
Sumthin like that, the knife in between two metal plates on the arm. A hole could run between the plates and the metal attachment could rest in that groove and go and up and down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Although there's no evidence of this in the trailer, I strongly support this theory. It's a basic way to "lock" the blade in place, so why shouldn't it be used here? Well, of course, I didn't see any of the suggested holes in the blade during the trailer, but maybe that's just lazyness (no offense intended) from the developers part.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> In the Game Informer article on the Assassin's Creed it simply states that the ring was removed as a part of his initiation. not much more is said on that.

But there is an image of the blade and it mounted to Altair forearm via a bracer of sorts. The mechanism to extending and retracting the blade, assuming there is a mechanism and it is something rather simple, is probably built onto the bracer, if not in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, indeed he does wear a kind of bracer.
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4370/bracer3kc.gif
This simplifies matters somewhat. By having the blade mounted to the bracer, the problem with the "recoil" (in lack of a better word) when Altair stikes without holding the blade between his fingers have been adressed. I wonder how he manages not to draw attention to himself when wearing that sort of equipment though. With four daggers, a crossbow with several bolts in a quiver, and now this highly suspicous bracer, the guards must be fools not to notice that something is amiss. Also, he wears all white, which means he's standing out from the rest of the crowd. I for one really hope the player can outfit him with different clothing when he's back at the hideout. (Different colours at least.) Considering Altairs hit-and-run tactics, he does draw a lot of attention to him and eye witnesses are unavoidable, so the local law enforcement should logically after a few murders be on the lookout for a weapon-wielding white dressed suspicous person with a bad habit of pushing people around.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Perhaps there are two blades. One which comes out of his sleeve & the other of his wrist </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, from what I gather, Altair will actually have upgrades applied to his blade between missions. This may or may not explain why the blade in the teaser is acting differently from the it's counterpart in the trailer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I Have the answer! He wears an arm sleeve with the blade attached which is much larger than it appears. The blade goes all the way up the forearm. This sleeve that holds the blade also goes around the pinky finger. So he wears a pinky ring which activates the spring based blade(I guess just by bending his pinky finger?). Read the newest gameinformer(Pg.55), look at the small picture showing the sleeve and blade,read the fine print next to it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmm... I guess some people misunderstood a bit. I'm not asking about how it works, I'm just speculating, from what we've seen so far, how the blade logically would work. Thanks anyway, now we at least know for sure that the bracer (mentioned earlier) contains the blade. However, I can't understand why he would have it on a ring on the pinky, because as we clearly see in the teaser, you have to push a button to activate it and it would be too hard to push it with one of the fingers on the same hand if it's on a ring. Maybe he's using the other hand though, but why not put it on his wrist instead then? Hmmm....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I think the mechanism may work in a way either in conjuction with the button pressing concept, or instead a trigger that unleashes the spring loaded blade via a flick of the wrist.

If you watch the trailer when altair does his 'eagle swoop' over the guard and assassinates his victim on the hangmans platform he doesn't actually 'throw his arm back' he raises his arm and flicks his hand backwards towards his forearm and the blade springs out. Watch it again a few times and you'll see what I mean.

Also, note altair has a long, what looks to be metal sheath around his entire left forearm that has the 'ring blade' encased and its mechanisms presumably behind it. Maybe the trigger is actually facing INWARD against his wrist, so when he 'flicks' his hand, his wrist pushes the button in, maybe another press releases the blade and lets it sheath again in either one or two fashions:

example case one: the gravity theory, he has to tilt his arm in such a way that causes the blade to slide back up and lock back into place, or;

example case two: the cogs and strings you see in the trailer work on a reverse action spring, on release of the blade it unsheaths, but the momentum of it winds the spring up for the return with some fancy cog work, hence allowing another press of the button to activate it to wind back up in reverse into his arm covering. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've only got one qualm about this. The teaser specifically reveal how the blade is activated. He presses a button with one of his fingers. Of course, this may be explained by the fact recently discussed about how the blade constantly will be upgraded throughout Altairs adventure. Otherwise, good stuff. Personally, I wonder why the developers didn't go for such a solution instead.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, in terms of game play, maybe the reason he has swords, crossbows and throwing daggers is because his wrist blade is used specifically for the main assassination attempts, or atleast special one hit kill counter moves (as described by interviews where they wait for the opportune moment of the enemies strike and counter with a one hit kill with his wrist blade). Just some food for thought. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, that would seem likely. He doesn't really need a hidden blade when the enemy knows that he's there. The very reason it's hidden is so that guards won't stop him for carrying a weapon. Hmmm... Of course, why in the world is he carrying those knifes around then? Man, something just doesn't quite fit.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh yeah, this is my first post, g'day to you all .

- Vires. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hello, and welcome! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OnePercenter_
05-23-2006, 01:05 PM
My views on this are that in the trailer we see Altair in a training mission(with a blade up his sleeve) and when he completes it successfully THEN the Creed cut his finger off and install the blade.

Or perhaps it is just that the designers made the trailer BEFORE they decided the blade would be put in place of his ring finger(or the other way round).I think this is the most likely explanation.

My first post aswell!

CrackerMonkey
05-23-2006, 03:44 PM
Actually, his finger is off already in the trailer.

RangerDutch
05-24-2006, 01:34 PM
I think this post has maybe gotten little more in depth than the designers ever thought, but that being said here's a little something to add from a former soldier and avid military/para-military historian.

Most of the ancient "assassin" clans were host to a number of weapons that in their use were quite painful to the wearer. It was not uncommon the have fingers, toes, or other parts removed in order to allow better operation. The giving of a body part became a ritualistic indoctrination into the clan. Thus not only proving your resolve but making you a better "foot soldier" for the cause.

You'll notice that the positioning of blade and the removed finger allow Altair to not only "open" the weapon but also close his fist around it in order to hold it better and provide a knifed punch. That gives Altair the ability to use the weapon with either open or closed hands. That fact is very important given the timeframe of the game because the act of showing an open hand would be seen as a clear message that you meant no harm, nor carried a weapon. So even though in the trailer you see Altair carrying a number of weapons, he would still be lethal with no outward signs if all of them were removed save his switchblade. Ninjas for example were very well known for the "hiding" of similar types of weapons that would not only allow thier usage but go unnoticed by everyone else.

Just my two cents

Dutch
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Argh_Gonk
05-25-2006, 04:43 AM
ViresOdium said something about Altair using his blade to assassinate quickly. like one hit kills, ive been playing pop:tt a lot recently and the prince uses speed kills. The dagger isn't as strong as the other weapons he picks up but he can use it to kill silently and quickly. perhaps Altair uses the switchblade to stab silently and quickly, i don't think a dagger on your wrist would be as powerful as a sword as you've only got the momentum of your arm, making the stabs weak. Plus its on Altairs left arm, which i presume is his weaker arm (unless he's left handed, but he shoots the cross bow with his right hand) so that he can use swords and his cross bow in the other.

I'm confused by RangerDutch.
"It was not uncommon the have fingers, toes, or other parts removed in order to allow better operation."
But toes are essential for balance, without toes you couldn't walk. I think its more likely altairs finger was removed to test his commitment when joining a clan of assassins.
I was wondering what the "other parts" could have been, and remembered the amazonian tribes where women would got off a breast so that they could be better archers.

NotLordAtkin
05-25-2006, 12:20 PM
anyone able to translate it?
http://www.godgavestyle.nl/raaf/ass2.JPG

pillaysteven
05-25-2006, 12:27 PM
I have this much done so far but am having trouble after the first few lines... can anyone complete the job? Most of it's from an online translator and some from what seems to fit in best.

The assassinations in Assassin's Creed are no comparison to those in games such as Hitman and the like. Your target is not always sitting alone in a dark room, but is in the city itself generally in a busy section, probably surrounded by guards. With getrokken sword to him step, or haul up even your sword if you stand for him, generally results in heisa which no longer allow you help victim clean to the hiernamaals . For this reason Altair has "linkerhand" a type of retractile dagger, that he releases by means of a movement of his pinky finger. Thus each victim has just by what happens there, if the razor-sharp knife reaches a main artery or his heart. Depending on the direction by which you approach a target you get to see several kill-animations. By means of the they side of his fuselage between the ribben, horizontally his ring in (if he carries a harnas) or voorlangs brutal under his chin direction skull pan. We got some zan these cos-ordination that to see and also they are so realistic that other games fade to the background.

BTW here's the full paragraph typed out in Dutch:

De moorden in Assassin's Creed zijn niet te vergelijken met die in games als Hitman en dergelijke. Jouw doelwit zit lang niet altijd in een apart kamertje, maar bevindt zich meestal in een drukbevolkt deel van de stad, waarschijnlijk omringd door guards. Met getrokken zwaard naar hem toe stappen, of zelfs je zwaard bovenhalen als je voor hem staat, resulteert meestal in heisa die niet langer toelaat je slachtoffer clean naar het hiernamaals te helpen. Daarom heeft Altair aan zign linkerhand een soort intrekbare dolk, die hij via een beweging van z'n pink tevoorschijn kan laten komen. Zo heeft elk slachtoffer pas door wat er gebeurt, als het vlijmscherpe mes z'n nek****ader of hart bereikt. Afhankelijk van de richting waarop je een doelwit benadert krijg je verschillende kill-animaties te zien. Via de zijkant van z'n romp tussen de ribben, horizontaal z'n nek in (als hij een harnas draagt) of voorlangs brutaal onder z'n kin richting schedelpan. Wij kregen enkele zan deze animaties te zien en ook zij zijn zo realistisch dat andere games erbij verbleken.

Lhorkan
05-25-2006, 12:54 PM
Might as well post my translation here.

"The murders in Assassin's Creed are not to be compared with games like Hitman etc. Your target is as good as never alone in a room, but out in the open in a populated district of the city, most probably surrounded by guards. Walking up to him with a drawn sword, or even drawing your sword when you're in front of him, will usually result in mass panic that prevents you from sending your target to the afterworld. That's why Altair has a retractable dagger (attached to his left hand), that he can "activate" by moving his lil' finger. That way, each target only knows what hit him after he has a sharp piece of metal shoved up his neck. Depending from what direction you strike, a different animation is played. From the side of his body between his ribs, to hozintally in his throat (when wearing armour), or brutally from underneath his chin, heading for his brains. We got to see some of these animations, and these are also so realstic that other games pale at their presence."

SpyderNynja
05-25-2006, 04:24 PM
see ifiwerearichman's new images thread and it describes exactly how it works. its in dutch but you can tell from the pics.

marceblackguard
05-26-2006, 09:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrackerMonkey:
This simplifies matters somewhat. By having the blade mounted to the bracer, the problem with the "recoil" (in lack of a better word) when Altair stikes without holding the blade between his fingers have been adressed. I wonder how he manages not to draw attention to himself when wearing that sort of equipment though. With four daggers, a crossbow with several bolts in a quiver, and now this highly suspicous bracer, the guards must be fools not to notice that something is amiss. Also, he wears all white, which means he's standing out from the rest of the crowd. I for one really hope the player can outfit him with different clothing when he's back at the hideout. (Different colours at least.) Considering Altairs hit-and-run tactics, he does draw a lot of attention to him and eye witnesses are unavoidable, so the local law enforcement should logically after a few murders be on the lookout for a weapon-wielding white dressed suspicous person with a bad habit of pushing people around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

His clothing will change through out the game. As he rises in ranks not only will his dagger be upgraded, but so will his appearance to reflect his rise in the ranks through the organization.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, in terms of game play, maybe the reason he has swords, crossbows and throwing daggers is because his wrist blade is used specifically for the main assassination attempts, or atleast special one hit kill counter moves (as described by interviews where they wait for the opportune moment of the enemies strike and counter with a one hit kill with his wrist blade). Just some food for thought. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yes, that would seem likely. He doesn't really need a hidden blade when the enemy knows that he's there. The very reason it's hidden is so that guards won't stop him for carrying a weapon. Hmmm... Of course, why in the world is he carrying those knifes around then? Man, something just doesn't quite fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But you forget. Though he's killing all these people, he shows them the utmost respect, even in death. In the trailer you see how he closes the eyes of the man he killed, and it looks, to me at least, as if he is in the middle of deep reflection whilst doing this. So what sense would it make for him to take a sword and hack his target to bits if he respects them? This isn't to say he respects everyone, he obviously has no love for the guards, but his specific target seem to receive a little more concern from him than one would expect.

What I can't explain, well anyway, is how his repeated presence goes on without anyone really caring. It'd be sensible if he were, perhaps, simply a traveler and one of many. I'm sure that there are a bunch of people passing through the city on their way elsewhere, but how many look like that? I agree, that part look iffy.

Vey03
05-27-2006, 06:13 AM
Thanks for that post and translation guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But how on earth does the ring activate the dagger?
Also, this shows the blade on the outside of his arm, whereas in all other media we see it on the inside.
I mean, to me it seems more logical to have it on the inside.

Lhorkan
05-27-2006, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
Thanks for that post and translation guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But how on earth does the ring activate the dagger?
Also, this shows the blade on the outside of his arm, whereas in all other media we see it on the inside.
I mean, to me it seems more logical to have it on the inside. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is on the inside. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif And for the ring, there's probably some sort of cord attached to it, that when pulled activates the first gear.

Vey03
05-27-2006, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lhorkan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mouse03:
Thanks for that post and translation guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But how on earth does the ring activate the dagger?
Also, this shows the blade on the outside of his arm, whereas in all other media we see it on the inside.
I mean, to me it seems more logical to have it on the inside. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is on the inside. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

*opens eyes and looks at pic again* Ah, so it is! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And for the ring, there's probably some sort of cord attached to it, that when pulled activates the first gear. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So how does he close it?
And a cord would get in the way. I can imagin him cutting the cord, then having to go to the corner shop...
"Do you have any cord? I've accidentally cut mine and now i can't get this damn blade out!"
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Lhorkan
05-27-2006, 01:49 PM
Well, it shouldn't be a cord cord... it could be a metal cord. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Dudelike
05-28-2006, 11:26 AM
Metal cord would be better yeah http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Vey03
05-28-2006, 09:37 PM
Or remote control. Or electrostatic charges. Or...or...i can't think of anything else right now...lol.

begabamboo
05-29-2006, 02:55 AM
I think this image can clear up quite alot of discussion about where his switchblade is positioned:http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7854/switchblade27km.png

Darkfrost_674
05-29-2006, 07:30 PM
it is a blade that comes out.. and i think it is spring loaded.. he slips it back in when he looks over his shoulder at the new threat ofter the assasination. you hear a little ring of a blade although it could be the gaurds sword drawing or it could be the switchblade going back in. That will be a mystery i guess..

Shadow_Calls
05-29-2006, 09:36 PM
Nice post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But in the article in GameInformer magazine it shows a drawing of the killing blade attached to his wrist and forearm by a brace or whatever. It has a 3 part folding mechanism/spring system and a ring that extends from the mechanism onto the inside of his pinky (For triggering the blade and folding it back). Nice theory though. I'll look if I can find an online screenshot of the mechanism for you.

Lhorkan
05-29-2006, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shadow_Calls:
Nice post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But in the article in GameInformer magazine it shows a drawing of the killing blade attached to his wrist and forearm by a brace or whatever. It has a 3 part folding mechanism/spring system and a ring that extends from the mechanism onto the inside of his pinky (For triggering the blade and folding it back). Nice theory though. I'll look if I can find an online screenshot of the mechanism for you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We've already seen that shot (well, most of us). Better not post it, since it's illegal to post scans from mags. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

CrackerMonkey
05-30-2006, 05:22 AM
Yeah, I've pretty much abandoned the whole concept since I saw the pics in game informer.

Only mystery that remains is the way it's triggered. GI says it's a ring on Altairs pinky and has artwork to prove it but the teaser clearly reveals that it's a button presumably attached to his wrist.

Lhorkan
05-30-2006, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CrackerMonkey:
Yeah, I've pretty much abandoned the whole concept since I saw the pics in game informer.

Only mystery that remains is the way it's triggered. GI says it's a ring on Altairs pinky and has artwork to prove it but the teaser clearly reveals that it's a button presumably attached to his wrist. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet the devs changed the concept; the trailer is quite old, and they must've seen that the button isn't very practical. It's that, or there are two different daggers after all.

Darkfrost_674
05-30-2006, 12:57 PM
OH! maybe it is like.. the one on the teaser is like the very first one you get.... Crappy and hard to trigger but as you get a better blade threw the game you get better blades easier triggering and stuff... (the one in GI)

idk just a thought http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sandwarrior1990
05-30-2006, 04:50 PM
I like the idea of having to cut your left ring finger off to join the Creed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It's like you gotta make a sacrifice for the greater good. <STRIKE>and it makes an incredibly good gap for a kick *** knife to poke out of</STRIKE>

Shadow_Calls
05-30-2006, 05:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lhorkan:

We've already seen that shot (well, most of us). Better not post it, since it's illegal to post scans from mags. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alright, and I was just checking the internet if they had a similar pic somewhere http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

begabamboo
05-31-2006, 04:15 AM
I'm not sure if this helps in any of the discussion, however, in the longer trailer (yes, I know the GI article is more recent)you can see that Altair's pinky must reach to a button on the side of the switchblade casing to activate it.

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/7426/screedimage8ea.jpg

Although I know that in the other trailer, it is shown that he must press a button, I (and I think others) were a bit confused of which finger was used and where the button actually was.

Dunamis221
06-08-2006, 08:03 PM
its all activated by a ring on his left pinky finger.the button is on the ring which activates the spring system.it works either way.if the blade is in, then the ring will make it come out.if hte blade is out,then the ring will make it go in. basically without the ring, you have no way to make the blade work.

Dunamis221
06-08-2006, 08:04 PM
you have the same blade the whole game. the assassin's were a real group of people that barely ever used anything other than their ritualistic dagger/knife/blade in their sleeve.

mrsmooth_840
06-09-2006, 12:53 AM
it isn't part of his clothing. if anyone has noticed, Altair wears a gauntlet on his left arm, this is where the dagger is concealed, and going back to the gravity theory of the blade, this is probably true, seeing as altair also wears a thick, tough open fingered glove made of leather, this would be more than enough protection to slot the dagger back into place(seeing as the prince of persia used leather for his armour in warrior within, why not for this?) But surely if it's gravity operated, wouldn't the assassins ultalise gravity to get the dagger back into the gauntlet? you would get your fore-arm faceing the sky, press the button, it slots and locks back into place. and opperating it with the opposite hand, I don't think so, It would look far too suspicious, besides he's got that leather glove in the way so he couldn't get cut. may I just ask you guys something, has anyone come to realise that it's just a game?(a kickass on at that, but still, just a game), you can't expect it to be completly realistic can you?

BlueRGBlood
06-27-2006, 01:09 PM
yes i finally got it every1 watch the second trailer on the official website it infact comes out of his sleeve but when it is completely out it shows that he closes his hand a little and it then is where his left ring finger it would probably be attached to his clothes so the hole thing dosesnt fall out but i am positive (based on the video) that the blade is in his sleeve and when out it replaces his finger

darkalias911
06-27-2006, 11:12 PM
yea, the mechanics of it are a little weird. but hey, if it gets the job done, o well. I think its pretty sick...

Zyphur
07-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Just so you know,I get game informer every month,and there are about 10 pages about this game.It includes info about his retractable blade.He Joined the assassin's guild but had to cut his index finger off as a tribute to them.a sort of ritual.Anyway the blade has nothing to do with that missing finger.the blade has a system built in his gauntlet that activates by a ring on the stub of a finger he used to have.So everytime he moves his stumped index finger forward a cog system activates the blade and to retract it he does the same thing.

Marek86
07-04-2006, 08:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zyphur:
Just so you know,I get game informer every month,and there are about 10 pages about this game.It includes info about his retractable blade.He Joined the assassin's guild but had to cut his index finger off as a tribute to them.a sort of ritual.Anyway the blade has nothing to do with that missing finger.the blade has a system built in his gauntlet that activates by a ring on the stub of a finger he used to have.So everytime he moves his stumped index finger forward a cog system activates the blade and to retract it he does the same thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

it's the left ring finger, not the index finger.

Outcast44
07-05-2006, 07:46 AM
In the teaser when the mechanism to release the knive is activated the cloth underneath is white:

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4933/bsplayer20060517021624842sq.png

While in the next picture we see that near the wrist there is no white cloth, only the bracer. So the button isn't near the wrist, but it has to be near the bracer and white cloth must exist. The only place left is the elbow, so we conclude that (atleast in the teaser) Altair used both hands.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7854/switchblade27km.png

Now why the ring finger? It is believed that the ring finger is connected to the heart (like reflexology only for hands) and this is why we place our wedding ring their to show that we are devoted to the husband or wife. Also this why the Assassins cut it off, as entering the order you couldn't get married and you devote your life to them. As for Altair by having a knive in that place shows that his heart is completetly devoted to assassinations.

Maybe giving the ring finger was a test. Like attaching the bracer with the knive while still having your finger and you had to commit your first assassination for the order by activating the mechanism, which cut off the finger showing your devote to the order.

Robbinho1992
07-05-2006, 09:18 AM
The blade is in hte bracer.....
It comes out a little hole in the bracer.
the button to do is actually to be on a ring on his little finger. When press the dagger retraacks(cant spell).

It doesetn come from clothe and the button is either on the bracer or in the hand.

Not sure if this is exactly rightb but i think its close.....

manny4life
07-05-2006, 10:58 AM
I am interested about the mechanics of it all, but why is his ring finger missing?? Is it so the blade won't run into it or something??

insane_dude
07-05-2006, 01:43 PM
I'm not to sure his finger is missing but you can't really tell from the screen shots.

mccavour69
07-05-2006, 07:22 PM
his left ring finger is missing because the assassin's cut it off when they joined as a ritual or something like that

ChanWolf77
07-06-2006, 11:59 AM
I think that, from a practical standpoint, the ring finger is the least useful finger. A ring finger's movement is limited by the pinky and middle finger. Also, the positioning of the blade is ideal to retain as much force as possible when slashing or thrusting the knife: the blade is surrounded by mass, meaning all of the force exerted by the thrusting or slashing is transferred into the blade, and therefore into the enemy.

mrsmooth_840
07-11-2006, 02:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif spot on, man

Paranoid_Pyro
07-15-2006, 12:59 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, so if someone's said it before me, sorry.

I read an article in a Belgian magazine where they explane it and it even had a picture. I don't have a scanner, so I can't post it.

Anyways, this is how it is:
the blade is attached to his forearm and is triggered by a button on his wrist. Part of his ringfinger is cut of, so he can switch on the bladewithout cutting of his finger, or maybe that's what happened. He pushes the button with his pink.

Quite simple, actually.

Lhorkan
07-15-2006, 01:55 PM
What's the mag called? I might get my hands on it.

Paranoid_Pyro
07-15-2006, 02:12 PM
Official Playstation 2 Magazine.
But it's last month's issue.
I don't have it but a friend does. I'll try to scan it but he's on a vacation to France until August 1st. I'll swing by at his place when he's back and scan it.

Lhorkan
07-16-2006, 03:52 AM
Oh, don't worry about scanning OPS2. We already saw that article. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Paranoid_Pyro
07-16-2006, 03:55 AM
Oh. Are you sure? It's Belgian. In Dutch.

Well. Ok, then. Quite an article, eh? Had a lot of new stuff, I read it like a dozen of times.

twistedNinja23
07-16-2006, 05:31 PM
I know I'm pretty new to these forums and this might have already been posted, but a while ago this game was feautred in GameInformer. I really suggest that some of you get this, as one picture has a complete diagram of how the wrist-switchblade works.

Let me try to discribe it. It shows two pictures, the top of his wrist (only bracer visable) and another with a more detailed look at the bottem. It shows the blade in it's attack position, with a dual arrow (looking much like this: &lt;---&gthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif alongside the blade.

The words "Ring to activate the blade opening/closing system" are in block text format and have a line that links the text to his pinky finger, clearly indicating that the "butten" is on his pinky, located on a ring that looks like it is in someway connected to the bracer, which is clearly the place where the blade is hidden.

Much like with the ring, a block of text says "3 part blade folding mechanism (spring system)" and has a line that connects the block of text to a seven or eight inch piece of metal located ontop of the radial artery (for people not familier with the names of the human body, for lack of a better example, it's the most commen artery people cut to commit suicide)

I think the simple fact that there is indeed a spring system rules out the possibility that is has to be gravity-activated (I'm not sure if that was already ruled out, I'm trying not to repeat what someone has already said) And I would have to agree with whoever said it was no accident that they picked the ring finger to be it's "exit" from the the fist.

That would mean that it is not only practical, but also symbolic. Removing the ring finger not only lets you keep the natural motion or punching and such, it shows complete and utter dedication to your new life as a holy assassin. I beleive someone already mention something along those lines, but I felt it completed my post quite well.

Oh and also, while I was studying the afore mentioned picture/diagram, my eyes drifted down to some of what was being said in the text of the article below it. It said something about Altair, and then said the official way to pronunce the name is {al-tie-ear} so if that arguement has yet to be solved, let this be the end to all of that, as that is the offical way to pronunce it.

I beleive that is all, and I really hope I didn't repeat anything, becuase I really didn't read all of the posts. Anyway, I hope my post was in some way helpful, and having the actual article would be alot easier then trying to picture what I'm trying to explain, so if there is a possibility of any of you picking that up, please do. Like I said, it's very helpful.

TheEvilEye1919
07-17-2006, 05:49 AM
you are all taking this WAY to seriously. ITS A GAME, YOU WILL GET CONTRADICTIONS

all you need to know is that HE HAS A COOL SWITCHBLADE.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TJ_Scoot2006
07-21-2006, 06:14 AM
i didnt read all the posts but the way he gets it out with one hand is simple. he uses a ring on his pinky finger. the ring connects to a button thats connected to his gauntlet and all those gears and stuff turn and his switchblade comes out.

DarkDeath_470
08-03-2006, 08:34 AM
I think all those gears were just kinda for show. I ont see the need for that much stuff in a writs blade. Just a spring activated plade that would lock in a notch to hold it in place so it doesnt push back in when he stabs makes sense. In my wallpaper you can see that he has on like a leather gauntlet with the blade buckled onto the gauntlet. I dont see him puch a button in the video with him jumping off the corpse and killing the guy that hung those people, yet he uses a button in the other video. hopefully this will be explained in the game because i dont really see how he could push a button and keep a hand free to block attacks. As for the ring finger being cut off. i think thats just to show his devotion and to make room so that the blade doesnt hit it when it shoots out.

burninator1992
08-03-2006, 09:39 AM
alrite guys, WHO CARES!?!?!?!? Honestly, just go with it. Who cares how it comes out. It comes out and thats all that matters.

darkphoenix403
08-10-2006, 01:33 AM
Okay, here is some of what I have gathered from various game articles and history etc.
First off, the designers were trying to keep much of the game historicly accurate, so they wouldn't have done anything too outlandish as far as blade tecnology goes, that dosn't mean that it cant be complex and display a high level on ingenuity, simply that they didn't invent anything new.
Also, I think the idea of a gravity driven one is probably out of the question as far as speed and precision goes, and it would also eliminate any kind of real mechanical device to make the blade extend. This would also make it extremely hard to use in combat.
My first thought was that the extension device was similer to a crossbow in that it relies on tension in a bent rod to drive the blade foreward, but that would require more space than is available. My guess is that there are coiled springs that are attached to the strings visible in the teaser, then released the springs efectively reel in the cords, extending the blade. This is all jut a guess of course.
I would have to say that the blade must lock into position once it is extended, otherwise it would simply retract when you struck anything harder than flesh. Either that, or the tension on the mechinism is enough so that it is not a real problem. As far as retracting it goes, he probably has a stud or the like on the inside of his wrist that lets him draw it back in.
(oh, and as a side note, everything the desigener's did as far as character design was to make Altair more like a falcon. Altair means falcon and many of his abilities and techniques are resemble that fact. Like his in-game ability to zoom in and visually single out his target, and yes, in his hand. He grabs the face of his opponent and sinks his talon in. This is part of why he has 4 fingers, just like a hawk.)

world1990
08-10-2006, 04:52 AM
i think that if the blade is unlocked by pressing a button, then i think the button is in his palm, becuase if the button was attached to his wrist he could unlock the blade accidentally and possibly impale his own hand. by the way crakermonkey really good analysis.


http://www.fightersgeneration.com/fightgen/characters/spawn-fly.JPG world1990

Keksus
09-28-2006, 10:31 AM
I don't know if this was already posted. But a user in the german forum found this:
http://media.ubi.com/ca/presse/EPK/Video%20games/Assass...CTS/Blade-system.JPG (http://media.ubi.com/ca/presse/EPK/Video%20games/Assassin%92s%20Creed/Images/OBJECTS/Blade-system.JPG)

Lhorkan
09-28-2006, 11:48 AM
Hm-hm, has been posted quite a few times. I think so, at least. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

sireatsalot91
10-12-2006, 07:23 PM
His blade is not unlocked and locked by gravity. It uses what is called a rack and pin gear. What happens is Altair twists a gear that winds and locks the dagger into its hidden position, then presses a button that unlocks it and allows it come out of the hiding place at a very fast speed. There are also some flaws i found. Altair has no button/locking mechanism in trailer whereas he does in the teaser. Also, on one of the pics, Altair has the blade on his right hand(this is when he pulls on the guys shoulder to get his attention and every one just stares). I am not sure if they simply flipped this pic or what. One other huge thing,the way he releases the blade and the spring had changed from the pic and teaser

http://media.ubi.com/ca/presse/EPK/Video%20games/Assass...CTS/Blade-system.JPG

ATFA666
10-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Very nice observation Monkey. I couldn't tell you but I hope it comes out from his finger because that would be a lot cooler in my opinion.

GrYeYeS
10-13-2006, 02:18 AM
Pretty obvious he has had his finger removed to make room for the blade. And using the skeletal structure of the hand to brace the blade. Hence why it fits so snug and looks vaguely like its coming from inside him. all the other speculation is pretty silly.

Assassins_Hand
10-15-2006, 03:30 AM
It's not coming out of his finger, look at Keksus picture and you will see that it's coming out from
a mechanism on his wrist, and on his little finger, he got a ring that activate the blade

http://media.ubi.com/ca/presse/EPK/Video%20games/Assass...CTS/Blade-system.JPG (http://media.ubi.com/ca/presse/EPK/Video%20games/Assassin%92s%20Creed/Images/OBJECTS/Blade-system.JPG)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"In the hand of Assassin, the difference of life and death is settled"

Tobbe777
10-15-2006, 03:34 AM
Good morning...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Stainedassassin
10-16-2006, 04:20 PM
Wow I love the amount of detail you put into that. I had a few questions about it when I originally watched the three trailers*like 5 times http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif*, and this really summed them all up...
@sireatsalot91- I really like that theory...seems a bit more plausible.

Now the challenge...who wants to make one? I personally think I may try to make something similar...and if it works I might just cut off my finger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
haha j/k

Once again kudos to you on this finely written expose of Altair's blade.

Tobbe777
10-16-2006, 04:22 PM
Make sure to cut off your ring finger before you test it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Stainedassassin
10-16-2006, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tobbe777:
Make sure to cut off your ring finger before you test it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
*slice* aww my finger...hey I'm new to these forums...how do you give yourself a picture and sig?

Tobbe777
10-16-2006, 04:30 PM
Signature and avatar FAQ (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3371013044/m/3961058094)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Stainedassassin
10-16-2006, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tobbe777:
Signature and avatar FAQ (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3371013044/m/3961058094) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ashishgurung
10-17-2006, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Illidan23:
Very interesting post. Good Information. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/ashishgurung/sig2.jpg

sireatsalot91
11-25-2006, 08:30 PM
If i made one i definitely wouldn't cut my finger off. Instead, i would just move it to the top of my forearm and rig the pinky finger thing so i dont have to bend it backwards, lol. that way i'd have something real kicka$$ and i'll still have all of my fingers! YEA! However, though it is definitly possible to make it you would have a hell of a time finding a blade for it. the one from the teaser would be easiest to make as it is only one blade. the one in the actual game is a series of blades that extend out from one another (kinda like a lightsaber toy or antenna). i am assuming they would probably have used silver back then. nowadays though stainless steel could do the job, plus its cheaper. yea, i am definitely gonna go to work on this on my next holiday, ill post back w/ a picture.

lifeisdeath
11-26-2006, 07:35 PM
http://pds2.egloos.com/pds/1/200607/08/16/a0014916_201610100.jpg

lifeisdeath
11-26-2006, 07:42 PM
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/844/41565gq4.jpg

Altair-X
11-26-2006, 08:08 PM
awsome find man!
Glad to know how it works.But i'd like to know how does the pinky finger activate it, does he just flick his finger down and it activates?

thatonedude1
11-29-2006, 07:59 PM
this makes no sense.... the picture shows a pinky activated system, while in the teaser he pushes a button that triggers a series of gears releasing the blade.were is the elaboratly displayed system of gears on the picture?... weird. and plus, how can he climb ledges and stuff without bending his pinky? if you look at the picture, the ring is attached at the bottom of the finger and the only motion that can be achived from moving the bottom part of you finger is up and down. you never see him climbing with his pinky up! lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

i dont think i have ever used so many big words in a paragraph.

The_Sphinx
11-30-2006, 01:39 AM
I was thinking about that too, the trigger makes not much sense.

Perhaps he doesn't use his pinky during climbing, because the ringfinger is gone too. The pinky alone doesn't do much since it is the weakest of fingers.

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http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r271/StephenCole_/Signature_AC3.jpg

Marek86
12-04-2006, 01:33 PM
Perhaps it is activated by rotating the ring, and as for the gears they are most likely set up inside of the guantlet, vambracer, whatever you want to call it, because if they were on the outside they would be more prone to accidents causing them to break.

klc123
12-05-2006, 01:10 PM
i think the button is placed just above the joint of the little finger and his hand,this solves the connection problems because that could mean he would quickly use it and if u look carefully at ur little finger joint and put it up the image wid the button and a finger,it just abouts fits and then look at another image and he has like metal going up his little finger then u can see that this is all the cogs u see in the one with the button

Th3_Assass1n
12-09-2006, 02:42 PM
I belive that the button/trigger is placed at his wrist, or somewhere near his wrist, so that he could use his left hand to trigger the switchblade, and still be able to hold his balance, fight with the other hand.

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BHRedNeck
02-18-2007, 07:01 PM
The mechanism could be much more simpler than many are making it.

Instead making a fist to activate the switchblade what if he bent his wrist back or pulled back his little finger. The thing between his wrist and the ring could be a rope / string, instead of a solid bar. That way he can still make a fist and move his hand (to some extent) without activating the mechanism.

And besides this looks like consept art, it could have been changed slightly for the game.