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Another_Weevil
09-19-2007, 08:55 AM
Okay, I'll say this first, there was absolutely no usernames free, and so apologies about skanking someones initial nickname (but I do use that one too)

And also, there was no place else to say hi so here goes
Introductions first

Well, I've wanted to do this for a while now and I've finally got around to doing it (yeah, yeah, I know Blasphemy waiting this long) so anyway:

Hi (always a good place to start). I've been interested in flight and aircraft since...well forever. Ever since my dad showed me Combat flight simulator pacific fighters, the distinct two memories of new year being so ******* noisy I got to stay up until stupid o'clock and crashing a black widow into a cruiser. "Sowwy" and the cheesy commander saying "close but no cigar"
The Rowan version of Battle of Britain trying to work out why they were saying "Tomato Heinz, Tomato Heinz. Bombalo!"
And even Airfix Dogfighter (Which is still a laugh).
I've been studying aircraft (not as in the whole themed room and lightings hanging from the ceilings) but I flew Sims at any possible opportunity. I then drifted towards jet aircraft for a while and thus was playing stuff like F-18 Korea, fighting falcon and even lock on recently and been trying to find a decent college course that could get me started onto the road of aerospace engineering.

So I specialise in flying the Me-262, (NOT because it's an uber fire and forget and it's fast) close formation and low level flying.
I can also fly the Corsair (even though the pacific theatre can really kill a PC)
I'm a fan of the Mozzie.
I also like the Mig 3 for its design and all round handling.
The lighting is nice to potter around.
The 190 is an interesting thing to wiz when I'm feeling shock and gravity defiant.
I'm naturally skewing over to the Spit and hurricane because I'm a Brit and I can hold my own in defensive gunnery.

I'm unfortunately strictly offline; my computer doesn't have the net.
Please don't singger "He, he you suck" or give me the N00b treatment
My current difficulty is realistic minus the speed bar enabled except for the 262.
I have a distinct flying style to what everyone I've met who flies Sims or whatever because I don't use the rudder unless I'm on a runway, or aileron cables are cut. So to counter this I base the roll angle based on how fast I want to turn and I use sufficient elevator to keep it level which will bring it around. So a 45 degree roll angle will need more elevator than a 10 degree one and will bring around faster.

Keeping with a target is easy, killing it is not, and I suck at shooting. Oh sure I get the occasional pot shot but aside from that I can't shoot very well. On average I get about 3 kills in a battle that involves about 30 people on each side. This is with a hurricane. A 262 is different, I get about 1, because everyone else steals my kills (boo).

And being a 3D modeller when I'm not invisible under the coursework, I have used Shturmovik in various things like collecting data on how aircraft handle in certain situations or certain states of repair. Shturmovik is (and I'm not just saying this because this is the forums) 1946 is the best sim I have ever played. Allow me to explain:

I first saw Shturmovik when my dad had just installed it. He got mum and said. "Check this out" and dived, then pulled up, stalled and it tail spanned, the wing hit the ground and broke off. Now when I say that it's "yeah whoopee, the wing went, it's supposed to do that" EXACTLY!!! I thought that was awesome! Seeing bits and pieces spraying out, they payload flying around, the propeller stopping, seeing the ribbing and all because you messed up and grounded yourself. How many other Sims are there out there, hundreds? Possibly thousands. And how many of them do that! All the others just go boom if you skim the floor like you've been hit by a 1000lbs bomb or if your landing's too heavy. This makes the gear break off; you can see the suspension working and your flight is affected by your state. Most other Sims just belch smoke out of the back of your plane and say "you're damaged"

I next saw when my dad said:
"Try this" and it turned out to be IL2. I hadn't seen the box before and my dad said that the Shturmovik was an anti tank and ground attack bomber used by the soviet and was a killer aircraft. And I remembered saying:
"I don't really like WW2 stuff, what with all those silly wires and propellers getting in the way and the way they drag their tail." I tried it anyway. The first thing I did was the training and took control. I was used to playing super hornet at the time so I didn't know what to do when it turned; I hadn't set up the rudder keys! So I just let it take me, I then reached the hill and went sailing over some factories. Pulled up and stalled it, I hadn't grasped the fact that it stalls easily, there were no aids and whatnot. That's when I discovered you had to press ctrl to place an object and set about making a gunnery mission. It was quite good, I turned off limited ammo and realistic gunnery and bang, it was quite cinematic. That's when I found the Airacobra, I thought it lacked elegance and "coolness" like the Hornet or the Phantom, but used it because it handled well and was a tricycle carriage. (Taking off was still dodgy, I had played Hornet too much) By now I was flying the Mig 3 because my friend went "cool a Mig!" It went under bridges quite well, didn't like loosing its tail though.
I went through to forgotten battles and went:
"262! Yay!"
So I spent every waking moment flying that. And for the fun of it, I needed to improve my aerial combat so I had about 30v30, head on and everyone on the board was a 262, at ace level. I survived about half of all the battles. I also then found out I had a knack for flying next to 0 feet, "combat" takeoff and landings and some exotic evasive moves (not that I can do much shooting mind) I also got into Heinkels and torpedoing.

And it was then when my joystick broke. It was only 2 axis 2 button but it got me flying. Also it fitted in the joystick port or midi lead slot and my new motherboard didn't have that, Nooooo! Of course it wouldn't. So I waited for a bit, started playing Hornet again. Had to use the keyboard which sucked. Eventually my dad said "I'm not using it, you have it" and I got a new joystick. 2 axis, throttle 8 button (ten if you count the 2 underneath which count as shoulder buttons when you detach it to become a controller) And then he said "The second button's broken." So I was down to seven.

I THEN found out the next problem, it was sketchy, the stick even when calibrated always said it was being jerked lightly, so that was a setback, the throttle slider was even more weird. Sometimes it said it was on 3% even though I had put it down as far as it could go, if I pressed say up on the hat switch, the throttle jerked up by 1 or 2%, and if I put it all the way to the top it would start flaking and I even saw the occasional 104% jump up on the screen on something like the 262, causing the engines to catch fire, not work or throw a paddy. And then it jerked around anyway.

That was when I got 1946. I then found pacific fighters' arena and tons more bombers, I'm happy!

I still have that stick and use that in these videos and all.

A little back story on a couple of these.
It wasn't really an argument but it was a mass debate (say it out loud, ho, ho) that sims were NO WAY near to what real flying is, and I agree in some sense. Your not actually there, you're not actually going to die if you mess up, you just hit restart, and your emotions don't....yeah whatever. And I said to the guy, this is as close as you get. I used the halo tune to get the guy's attention. I'll admit it gets a little 262 biased towards the end and I really run out of shots. Some of it was in game and 9/10 was in cockpit (I don't know WHY I said that, I can't prove it)
So this one was to:
A: I needed to loosen up those video kinks.
B: To prove that:
C: I could fly
D: Sims can be realistic.

Of course I'm not likely to jump into a spit or whatever casually but you get the idea. He actually bought the game! I updated the video with some of the newer stuff I did, I used the Corsair doing some anti shipping, the mustang flipping the doodlebug and I stole that intro montage on the bonus DVD in the older one, chopped it up and scattered it around. The newer version is all me, but movie maker is throwing a wobbly over that, first of all it either says:
"Cannot find memory for FRAPS Codec" and it's one of those pop up windows that you have to press again and again, and all you hear is *bonk**bonk**bonk**bonk**bonk**bonk*...you get the idea.
OR it goes that it can't save because there isn't enough space, it's already being used, or the location isn't available, I know that's a lie, I got 8 gig free, I'm saving it to my documents and moviemaker is the only thing open.
OR it goes estimated time remaining, and that goes up and up and up and up, but the progress doesn't change.
OR it starts saving; gets to a certain point and do the same thing as above.

This second one was for fun. (and does work) In case you haven't noticed, I like the 262. It's such a surprisingly modern design, and the Great Fox rock from the Star Fox adventures game was suitable (I thought). Same with the whole flying thing with me being in cockpit.

Now THIS one was for my DiDA ICT course, we were on a project where you had to make a game. It's so blatantly made in movie maker, but the music was mine this time and also blatantly made in dance Ejay at school. I wasn't in this one and was made with the first IL2. I wouldn't even trust myself putting on the autopilot because my delay would set everything off. It was for a guessing game which was level 3. If I had my way I would have done something completely different in terms of levels, but that wasn't my choice (can you name all the formations?) I can also explain the two random jets that come flying through, I was working on something else it struck me, instead of finding videos, you get more points from it being a primary source, and I had a discussion with my teacher and he said that was primary, I forgot to take those two out, you may think it looks snazzy...or maybe not.


This is now my part to give some replays of me. And what I can really do, considering that not selecting manual view selection shows what I was actually doing, and I can't hide that. The fist one shows me doing a quick low circuit, not the most flattering landing but I saved a big bounce. The next was a 190, doing some stuff. The Mozzie went haywire because I was sorting out a wasp that got into my sweet packet (yeah, yeah any excuse(I did a multiplayer game so I can start on the taxi ramp)) and the corsair I just didn't pay attention.
One was me going for a bomber group. I have some weird habits of killing, (come on it was painful watching them miss) I know I got the nationality wrong, I just found it out and they would have an escort for a bomber group that big.
Another one is me against some 109s, and I also know that there wouldn't be confrontations this big (for all of them)
Me in close formation, And I know I mess up, but hey, dig the emergency landing!
And here we go with my best carrier landing. Ignore the damned ammo wasting.


There are a few questions; they may have been brought up. Don't think I'm being an evil person; these have built up over a long time.
1) Lack of Mozzie description.
2) Why can't you fly the reconnaissance Mozzie? Was it because it's unarmed?
3) It really would have been awesome to fly a Sunderland or a B-17, or a Lancaster; it was a little disappointing for some reason even though they were so farfetched.
4) The landing, I thought about it on the online map with a wide and many runways, someone asked for clearance, tower said okay, I asked he said no. I thought:
5) "Why, there's 11 other runway slots. Can't the game just redirect to nearest runway not being occupied?" "Like the program says "no, wait" except it then finds the nearest runway and say runway x instead of going no.
6) What does the permission to takeoff actually do?
7) I hate being squad leader, but I also get ticked off when I get tailed and my leader says "Oi get back here!" So I just settle for ignoring him and he shuts up or I make myself the last to be placed on the filed so I have no control whatsoever. It may have been nice to set a "orders" box, so at a certain waypoint the guy says do such and such. Because all those orders become redundant if it's only me using them, you know different formations would be better to do in different circumstances.
8) How can I set it up so we start from the taxi ramp in full mission builder? Or even have the Kerkentrads (or whatever those armoured trikes are called) tow the 262 out?

Not that I deal with realistic campaigns but other than that. I know a lot of you could jump out, steal my plane and fly off again if I played you but I just really wanted a reality check.

And hello...

EDIT: I can't find the replays etc, here's the 262 one
http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/?actio...current=262video.flv (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/?action=view&current=262video.flv)

(Also on a random note, I'm making this, Shturmovik helped
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/renderview.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/Wireframe.jpg

Another_Weevil
09-19-2007, 08:55 AM
Okay, I'll say this first, there was absolutely no usernames free, and so apologies about skanking someones initial nickname (but I do use that one too)

And also, there was no place else to say hi so here goes
Introductions first

Well, I've wanted to do this for a while now and I've finally got around to doing it (yeah, yeah, I know Blasphemy waiting this long) so anyway:

Hi (always a good place to start). I've been interested in flight and aircraft since...well forever. Ever since my dad showed me Combat flight simulator pacific fighters, the distinct two memories of new year being so ******* noisy I got to stay up until stupid o'clock and crashing a black widow into a cruiser. "Sowwy" and the cheesy commander saying "close but no cigar"
The Rowan version of Battle of Britain trying to work out why they were saying "Tomato Heinz, Tomato Heinz. Bombalo!"
And even Airfix Dogfighter (Which is still a laugh).
I've been studying aircraft (not as in the whole themed room and lightings hanging from the ceilings) but I flew Sims at any possible opportunity. I then drifted towards jet aircraft for a while and thus was playing stuff like F-18 Korea, fighting falcon and even lock on recently and been trying to find a decent college course that could get me started onto the road of aerospace engineering.

So I specialise in flying the Me-262, (NOT because it's an uber fire and forget and it's fast) close formation and low level flying.
I can also fly the Corsair (even though the pacific theatre can really kill a PC)
I'm a fan of the Mozzie.
I also like the Mig 3 for its design and all round handling.
The lighting is nice to potter around.
The 190 is an interesting thing to wiz when I'm feeling shock and gravity defiant.
I'm naturally skewing over to the Spit and hurricane because I'm a Brit and I can hold my own in defensive gunnery.

I'm unfortunately strictly offline; my computer doesn't have the net.
Please don't singger "He, he you suck" or give me the N00b treatment
My current difficulty is realistic minus the speed bar enabled except for the 262.
I have a distinct flying style to what everyone I've met who flies Sims or whatever because I don't use the rudder unless I'm on a runway, or aileron cables are cut. So to counter this I base the roll angle based on how fast I want to turn and I use sufficient elevator to keep it level which will bring it around. So a 45 degree roll angle will need more elevator than a 10 degree one and will bring around faster.

Keeping with a target is easy, killing it is not, and I suck at shooting. Oh sure I get the occasional pot shot but aside from that I can't shoot very well. On average I get about 3 kills in a battle that involves about 30 people on each side. This is with a hurricane. A 262 is different, I get about 1, because everyone else steals my kills (boo).

And being a 3D modeller when I'm not invisible under the coursework, I have used Shturmovik in various things like collecting data on how aircraft handle in certain situations or certain states of repair. Shturmovik is (and I'm not just saying this because this is the forums) 1946 is the best sim I have ever played. Allow me to explain:

I first saw Shturmovik when my dad had just installed it. He got mum and said. "Check this out" and dived, then pulled up, stalled and it tail spanned, the wing hit the ground and broke off. Now when I say that it's "yeah whoopee, the wing went, it's supposed to do that" EXACTLY!!! I thought that was awesome! Seeing bits and pieces spraying out, they payload flying around, the propeller stopping, seeing the ribbing and all because you messed up and grounded yourself. How many other Sims are there out there, hundreds? Possibly thousands. And how many of them do that! All the others just go boom if you skim the floor like you've been hit by a 1000lbs bomb or if your landing's too heavy. This makes the gear break off; you can see the suspension working and your flight is affected by your state. Most other Sims just belch smoke out of the back of your plane and say "you're damaged"

I next saw when my dad said:
"Try this" and it turned out to be IL2. I hadn't seen the box before and my dad said that the Shturmovik was an anti tank and ground attack bomber used by the soviet and was a killer aircraft. And I remembered saying:
"I don't really like WW2 stuff, what with all those silly wires and propellers getting in the way and the way they drag their tail." I tried it anyway. The first thing I did was the training and took control. I was used to playing super hornet at the time so I didn't know what to do when it turned; I hadn't set up the rudder keys! So I just let it take me, I then reached the hill and went sailing over some factories. Pulled up and stalled it, I hadn't grasped the fact that it stalls easily, there were no aids and whatnot. That's when I discovered you had to press ctrl to place an object and set about making a gunnery mission. It was quite good, I turned off limited ammo and realistic gunnery and bang, it was quite cinematic. That's when I found the Airacobra, I thought it lacked elegance and "coolness" like the Hornet or the Phantom, but used it because it handled well and was a tricycle carriage. (Taking off was still dodgy, I had played Hornet too much) By now I was flying the Mig 3 because my friend went "cool a Mig!" It went under bridges quite well, didn't like loosing its tail though.
I went through to forgotten battles and went:
"262! Yay!"
So I spent every waking moment flying that. And for the fun of it, I needed to improve my aerial combat so I had about 30v30, head on and everyone on the board was a 262, at ace level. I survived about half of all the battles. I also then found out I had a knack for flying next to 0 feet, "combat" takeoff and landings and some exotic evasive moves (not that I can do much shooting mind) I also got into Heinkels and torpedoing.

And it was then when my joystick broke. It was only 2 axis 2 button but it got me flying. Also it fitted in the joystick port or midi lead slot and my new motherboard didn't have that, Nooooo! Of course it wouldn't. So I waited for a bit, started playing Hornet again. Had to use the keyboard which sucked. Eventually my dad said "I'm not using it, you have it" and I got a new joystick. 2 axis, throttle 8 button (ten if you count the 2 underneath which count as shoulder buttons when you detach it to become a controller) And then he said "The second button's broken." So I was down to seven.

I THEN found out the next problem, it was sketchy, the stick even when calibrated always said it was being jerked lightly, so that was a setback, the throttle slider was even more weird. Sometimes it said it was on 3% even though I had put it down as far as it could go, if I pressed say up on the hat switch, the throttle jerked up by 1 or 2%, and if I put it all the way to the top it would start flaking and I even saw the occasional 104% jump up on the screen on something like the 262, causing the engines to catch fire, not work or throw a paddy. And then it jerked around anyway.

That was when I got 1946. I then found pacific fighters' arena and tons more bombers, I'm happy!

I still have that stick and use that in these videos and all.

A little back story on a couple of these.
It wasn't really an argument but it was a mass debate (say it out loud, ho, ho) that sims were NO WAY near to what real flying is, and I agree in some sense. Your not actually there, you're not actually going to die if you mess up, you just hit restart, and your emotions don't....yeah whatever. And I said to the guy, this is as close as you get. I used the halo tune to get the guy's attention. I'll admit it gets a little 262 biased towards the end and I really run out of shots. Some of it was in game and 9/10 was in cockpit (I don't know WHY I said that, I can't prove it)
So this one was to:
A: I needed to loosen up those video kinks.
B: To prove that:
C: I could fly
D: Sims can be realistic.

Of course I'm not likely to jump into a spit or whatever casually but you get the idea. He actually bought the game! I updated the video with some of the newer stuff I did, I used the Corsair doing some anti shipping, the mustang flipping the doodlebug and I stole that intro montage on the bonus DVD in the older one, chopped it up and scattered it around. The newer version is all me, but movie maker is throwing a wobbly over that, first of all it either says:
"Cannot find memory for FRAPS Codec" and it's one of those pop up windows that you have to press again and again, and all you hear is *bonk**bonk**bonk**bonk**bonk**bonk*...you get the idea.
OR it goes that it can't save because there isn't enough space, it's already being used, or the location isn't available, I know that's a lie, I got 8 gig free, I'm saving it to my documents and moviemaker is the only thing open.
OR it goes estimated time remaining, and that goes up and up and up and up, but the progress doesn't change.
OR it starts saving; gets to a certain point and do the same thing as above.

This second one was for fun. (and does work) In case you haven't noticed, I like the 262. It's such a surprisingly modern design, and the Great Fox rock from the Star Fox adventures game was suitable (I thought). Same with the whole flying thing with me being in cockpit.

Now THIS one was for my DiDA ICT course, we were on a project where you had to make a game. It's so blatantly made in movie maker, but the music was mine this time and also blatantly made in dance Ejay at school. I wasn't in this one and was made with the first IL2. I wouldn't even trust myself putting on the autopilot because my delay would set everything off. It was for a guessing game which was level 3. If I had my way I would have done something completely different in terms of levels, but that wasn't my choice (can you name all the formations?) I can also explain the two random jets that come flying through, I was working on something else it struck me, instead of finding videos, you get more points from it being a primary source, and I had a discussion with my teacher and he said that was primary, I forgot to take those two out, you may think it looks snazzy...or maybe not.


This is now my part to give some replays of me. And what I can really do, considering that not selecting manual view selection shows what I was actually doing, and I can't hide that. The fist one shows me doing a quick low circuit, not the most flattering landing but I saved a big bounce. The next was a 190, doing some stuff. The Mozzie went haywire because I was sorting out a wasp that got into my sweet packet (yeah, yeah any excuse(I did a multiplayer game so I can start on the taxi ramp)) and the corsair I just didn't pay attention.
One was me going for a bomber group. I have some weird habits of killing, (come on it was painful watching them miss) I know I got the nationality wrong, I just found it out and they would have an escort for a bomber group that big.
Another one is me against some 109s, and I also know that there wouldn't be confrontations this big (for all of them)
Me in close formation, And I know I mess up, but hey, dig the emergency landing!
And here we go with my best carrier landing. Ignore the damned ammo wasting.


There are a few questions; they may have been brought up. Don't think I'm being an evil person; these have built up over a long time.
1) Lack of Mozzie description.
2) Why can't you fly the reconnaissance Mozzie? Was it because it's unarmed?
3) It really would have been awesome to fly a Sunderland or a B-17, or a Lancaster; it was a little disappointing for some reason even though they were so farfetched.
4) The landing, I thought about it on the online map with a wide and many runways, someone asked for clearance, tower said okay, I asked he said no. I thought:
5) "Why, there's 11 other runway slots. Can't the game just redirect to nearest runway not being occupied?" "Like the program says "no, wait" except it then finds the nearest runway and say runway x instead of going no.
6) What does the permission to takeoff actually do?
7) I hate being squad leader, but I also get ticked off when I get tailed and my leader says "Oi get back here!" So I just settle for ignoring him and he shuts up or I make myself the last to be placed on the filed so I have no control whatsoever. It may have been nice to set a "orders" box, so at a certain waypoint the guy says do such and such. Because all those orders become redundant if it's only me using them, you know different formations would be better to do in different circumstances.
8) How can I set it up so we start from the taxi ramp in full mission builder? Or even have the Kerkentrads (or whatever those armoured trikes are called) tow the 262 out?

Not that I deal with realistic campaigns but other than that. I know a lot of you could jump out, steal my plane and fly off again if I played you but I just really wanted a reality check.

And hello...

EDIT: I can't find the replays etc, here's the 262 one
http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/?actio...current=262video.flv (http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/?action=view&current=262video.flv)

(Also on a random note, I'm making this, Shturmovik helped
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/renderview.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/Weasle_01/Wireframe.jpg

rnzoli
09-19-2007, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">6) What does the permission to takeoff actually do?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, it asks whether you have permission to take off, or not. Tailwheel airplanes have bad visibility directly in front, so you can stay aligned with the runway and still check with the tower, whether the other planes in front of you have cleared the runway or not.

FluffyDucks2
09-19-2007, 10:33 AM
Much as I like anything to do with 262s I could only watch that film for about 20 seconds because of the SHEEEITE music, it really is both irritating and totally inappropriate for the subject IMHO(sounds like some sort of cheesy 70s musak for wearing tank tops to.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

Wild.Bill.Kelso
09-19-2007, 11:22 AM
Check out the Training movies on this site: http://www.darts-page.com

Click on Movies on the left, then Instructional Videos...