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Avalon151
04-14-2005, 12:37 PM
Did the normandie niemen support th US troops on D-Day??

telsono
04-14-2005, 12:51 PM
The Normandie Niemen did not support the D-Day invasion. They were a group of French pilots who flew on the Eastern Front in Russian equipment (Yak's). It was only after the German surrender that they flew their aircraft back to France.

adadaead
04-14-2005, 02:13 PM
What do you mean their aircraft. French didn't have their own aircraft.

telsono
04-14-2005, 02:17 PM
When I said "their aircraft", I am referring to the aircraft that they were using at the time, Yak-9's if I remember right. They were not at first being allowed to do so.

Waldo.Pepper
04-14-2005, 03:16 PM
IIRC when they were operational on the Eastern Front they were given the option to fly any plane (Western or Soviet- for whatever reason, they decided on the Soviet plane). At the end of the war for again, whatever reason the Soviet Government gifted them their combat mounts and they returned to France with them.

I do not know what became of the planes. But I bet they deserved a better fate thatn what they got.

GR142_Astro
04-14-2005, 03:31 PM
They flew the Yak 3 and 9, the 3 widely considered to be the best purebred dogfighter of the second world war. Most books describe it as being an acrobatic aircraft with guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Official German tactic for the Yak3: "Do not engage any Yak lacking the front radiator cooler."

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://lythosav.edres74.ac-grenoble.fr/cnrd2004/aviation/Image/yak3.jpg

http://normandie.niemen.free.fr/avions/yak9.jpg

Tromplamort
04-14-2005, 03:45 PM
At the end of World War II each pilot of Normandie-Niemen was given his Yak-3 to fly back to France. It was a personal will from Stalin himself who wanted to thank the bravery of these French pilots that fought so hard against german's luftwaffe.

The aircraft were used for a little time by the french armée de l'air but lack of spear parts forced french air force to stop using Yak-3 anymore... Today one of these bird still exist and is displayed in the french musé de l'air at Le Bourget near Paris. I don't know the fate of the other birds. I suppose one of them is one people can see flying at the La Fertée Alais air meeting which will happen on 15 may this year.

Link to the amicale Jean Baptiste Salis who organise the air meeting and her collection of rare birds:
http://www.ajbs.com/musee/museeMaster.htm

Mad_Hatter009
04-14-2005, 04:28 PM
~S~ Everyone,
I apologize for this next question because it doesn't involve the Normandie Niemen, but I was wondering if their was also a group of American voluteer pilots fighting in Russia the same way they Eagle Squadron flew in England and the AVG flew in China? Again I apologize for the off topic question but mercenary aviators have always fascinated me, regardless of nationality. ~S~

Tromplamort
04-14-2005, 05:01 PM
One pooint: French pilots of the Normandie-Niemen were NOT mercenaries. They were regular pilots from the free french armée de l'air. It was not a matter of cash it was just their duty.

Mad_Hatter009
04-14-2005, 05:23 PM
I say mercenary because I like the sound of it, even though I know it isn't entirely accurate. I don't mean any disrespect to these men and their service. I just wanted to know if there was an American unit in Russia like there was in England and China.

VW-IceFire
04-14-2005, 10:34 PM
I've seen a La-7 photo with Normandie Niemen colors as well. How many of those did they use?

csThor
04-14-2005, 11:44 PM
I think you're mixing things here IceFire. AFAIK the only really distinctive marking of NN was the three-coloured propcap and not the arrow on the fuselage. That arrow was the marking used by units subordinated to 303rd IAD (Fighter Air Division) to which NN belonged from 1944 on (or even earlier ??).

SaQSoN
04-15-2005, 12:03 AM
Normandie-Nieman also had Yak-11, which is post-war training fighter resembling Yak-3, but with radial engine. Much probably it was one on the photo.

There were no US unit, that fought on eastern front under soviet comand. Some british fighter and bomber units operated under joint command from Murmansk during 1942.
Also, US strategic bombers operated from an airfield at Poltava during 1944, performing shuttle raids against Germany, Hungaria and Romania, flying from Italy to Poltava, then either back to Italy or to Britain. That was called "Operation Frantic". During this operation they also flew tactical missions, dropping supplies and bombing german troops near Warsaw, during Polish national upprizing in 1944.

Mad_Hatter009
04-15-2005, 01:05 AM
Thanks SaQSoN.