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Warrington_Wolf
05-04-2007, 02:29 PM
After watching Joe90's tutorial on using the Norden bombsight, I thought I would give the stock B-25 campaign a go.
I've been getting in some practice on QMB at hitting ground targets, but I am having problems when it comes to hitting anything consistently. The problem I am having is nothing to do with how the bombsight is set up, but rather getting the B-25 to fly straight and level for any amount of time. Every time I try to trim the aircraft, it is either too much or not enough. I have a CH flight sim yoke and I am using the mixture lever for the trim.
I line up for the bomb run, set power at 80% and do my best to keep the aircraft from pitching up or down, in the end I am almost fighting with the bloody thing to stop it from pitching up or down which results in bombs over or undershooting.

At first I thought that it was my yoke that was at fault because it did feel a bit jerky in pitch, but I have used silicon lubricant on it and now it is ok. I have tried level bombing in the HE-111 and I have had more success, she will continue to fly straight and level once you set th trim, so I must be doing something wrong in the B-25.

Any tips on how to get the most out of this aircraft would be greatly appreciated.

Warrington_Wolf
05-04-2007, 02:29 PM
After watching Joe90's tutorial on using the Norden bombsight, I thought I would give the stock B-25 campaign a go.
I've been getting in some practice on QMB at hitting ground targets, but I am having problems when it comes to hitting anything consistently. The problem I am having is nothing to do with how the bombsight is set up, but rather getting the B-25 to fly straight and level for any amount of time. Every time I try to trim the aircraft, it is either too much or not enough. I have a CH flight sim yoke and I am using the mixture lever for the trim.
I line up for the bomb run, set power at 80% and do my best to keep the aircraft from pitching up or down, in the end I am almost fighting with the bloody thing to stop it from pitching up or down which results in bombs over or undershooting.

At first I thought that it was my yoke that was at fault because it did feel a bit jerky in pitch, but I have used silicon lubricant on it and now it is ok. I have tried level bombing in the HE-111 and I have had more success, she will continue to fly straight and level once you set th trim, so I must be doing something wrong in the B-25.

Any tips on how to get the most out of this aircraft would be greatly appreciated.

WWSpinDry
05-04-2007, 03:01 PM
Map a control to the level stabilizer command, and use it to fly level for bomb runs.

OneMug
05-05-2007, 12:55 AM
Level bombing from high altitude sucks in this game (and for real). Dropping when your flight leader does rarely gets hits. Most bomb sights, with the small margin of roll or pitch error, after which the bomb sight needs to be reset, make for very frustrating action. It can be done, but it's a pain. (Must be realistic though. Most of the WW II bomb camera film I've seen shows lots of farmers' orchards and fields being blown up. Oh, snap! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif)

I like dive bombing (SBD, Ju-87, etc.) but even with the B-25, He-1ll, etc., I dive bomb to destroy more targets. If I'm not in charge of the flight, my flight leader is always cursing me. 'Course, I take a risk with AAA and fighter defense but...I usually find an enemy base, trucks, or tanks away from the main action. My commander is pleased with me anyway.

I actually did quite a bit of air-to-mud in 'Nam. Exhillarating! First tour, anyway.

Ah, I love the smell of enemy equipment burning in the morning. Dun da da DUN' da. Dun da da DUN' da! Oh, sing wid me, you Valkyries! OneMug

p1ngu666
05-05-2007, 02:39 AM
level stabiliser is your friend http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Taylortony
05-05-2007, 02:41 AM
As for getting to the target, go nap of the earth, the B25 weak point seems to be it's belly, so fly so low you can feel the wind whistling through your toes........... that way anyone attacking you cannot avoid the full force of your gunners and your weak spot is covered by mother earth.

Akronnick
05-05-2007, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taylortony:
As for getting to the target, go nap of the earth, the B25 weak point seems to be it's belly, so fly so low you can feel the wind whistling through your toes........... that way anyone attacking you cannot avoid the full force of your gunners and your weak spot is covered by mother earth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This tactic was commonly used in the Pacific Theatre, with the bombers screaming in at treetop height with throttles wide open, strafing and dropping bombs "one pass and haul ***" style.

That's what parafrags are for!

tigertalon
05-05-2007, 06:03 AM
Study this (http://www.erinnavy.com/downloads/LEVEL_BOMBING_MANUAL_v1.1.pdf).

HellToupee
05-05-2007, 08:43 AM
use level stab, also with level stab enabled rudder trim still works, as does elevator trim to an extent.

Rudder trim is good, on a stick like the x52 i have rudder trim on the throttle wheel, it allows u to steer the plane with level stab on.

Weak point is the belly but its still easyer to kill a b25 scraping the weeds than one at 6k, if they try to get below u just keep doing dives and leveling off to let the gunners get a shot.

Monguse
05-05-2007, 08:55 AM
Warrington_Wolf,

A bunch of us get together and practice box formation flying. You can join us either on UKded2, Ukded3 or Historia.

Also if you really want an immersive experience in a B25 in a historical setting with other B25 pilots take a look here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/504...811054455#1811054455 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5041098355?r=1811054455#1811054455)

I'm in the East Coast US as some of the UKded guys. If you are in Europe, you might have a better chance of getting excellent help from the UkDed guys. If you are in the US, just look us up on Historia.

Blood_Splat
05-05-2007, 09:23 AM
I can't wait to fly the He 111 in BOB SOW.

BSS_Sniper
05-05-2007, 01:05 PM
The fastest way to get shot down is to fly nap of the earth or mid altitude. You can bomb consistantly and accurately from 15-18k. Just use level stab and be sure to trim your rudder. If you follow the instructions on the video you should be hitting targets. I do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
05-05-2007, 01:07 PM
Ctrl E

willyvic
05-05-2007, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
The fastest way to get shot down is to fly nap of the earth or mid altitude... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if your flying with 3 or more wingmen. Why just this last week my wingmen and I downed 4 bandits on the way to the target, hit the target, and downed 2 more bandits on the way home. Was a glorious run. We flew tree level and maintained a tight formation. 4 B25s lighting up the sky all at one time is a sight to see. It's all in the technique bro.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


WV.

Warrington_Wolf
05-05-2007, 02:26 PM
I should have mentioned that I have level stabiliser switched on when I am on the bomb run. The aircraft doesn't roll it just pitches up and down constantly, it feels like I am flying a seesaw (Teeter totter for our American flyers). I have not tried bombing from high altitude (I have not gone beyond 4000ft), I wanted to practice at lower altitude and when I could hit stuff consistantly, then try it from a higher altitude.
I will try NOE flying (as several people here have suggested) as I end up doing that when I have dropped my bombs anyway, I usually dive down and strafe whatever is there with the fixed .50s.
On that note I love the forward facing fixed machine guns on the B-25, it gives the aircraft that bit of extra bite when you need it.

P.S. Thanks for the tips so far.

p-11.cAce
05-05-2007, 02:31 PM
Not to sound dumb...but how fast are you flying? If you are flying too slowly that may be causing the pitching movments you are seeing. Just my $.02 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I love bombing in the -25 but I use the "cheater" method developed by drilling_857 - it works for me everytime. The downside is that you are in low/mid altitude. You can find his guide HERE. (http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/b25_bg.htm)

Joe-90
05-05-2007, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
I should have mentioned that I have level stabiliser switched on when I am on the bomb run. The aircraft doesn't roll it just pitches up and down constantly, it feels like I am flying a seesaw </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's weird Wolf. I've never had see sawing with level stab switched on. It sometimes slowly descends, but that can be fixed with more trim, or combat flaps.

Are you sure you are using 'level stabiliser'? it sounds like you might be confusing it with one of the other two controls 'auto pilot' or 'auto level pilot'

Dagnabit
05-05-2007, 11:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
Study this (http://www.erinnavy.com/downloads/LEVEL_BOMBING_MANUAL_v1.1.pdf). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks TT looks like something I can use.
Regards
Dag

Roblex
05-06-2007, 01:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have not tried bombing from high altitude (I have not gone beyond 4000ft), I wanted to practice at lower altitude and when I could hit stuff consistantly, then try it from a higher altitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone correct me if I am wrong but if you fly at 4000ft you would get less time to get yourself lined up on the target and the correct speed dialled in than if you flew at 16,000 (which I believe is the height used in the Joe90 tutorial)

I think Joe90 may have hit the nail on the nail on the head with his post above; if you are pitching on the bomb run you are probably not using Level Stabiliser. The only other answer was alsop mentioned above ie are you flying so slowly you are at the stall? I use 180-200mph

BTW, the one thing I do different from Joe90s Tutorial is I set an approximate airspeed on the bombsight (if I am doing 180mph IAS at 16k I might set the bombsight at 220) then when I turn on the auto bombsight I adjust the Sight speed to make the crosshairs remain stationary on target. Joe90 adjusts the aircraft airspeed to make the sights stay on target which I find does not work as well. The aircraft speed responds a lot slower than you can alter the sight speed and if your first guess was completely wrong you might find you would need to set your throttle to 150% or turn off the engines and apply airbrakes to keep the crosshairs still http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Adjusting the bombsight speed to stay centred was actually used by many bomb aimers in WW2. It is one of those things where u use one method to pass your exams then another in the real world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lastly I must say to THOR that I love that bombing manual mentioned above.

http://wildroad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SLION2.GIF

Warrington_Wolf
05-06-2007, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Ctrl E </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That reminds me of a scene from the film Memphis Belle where one of the rookies asks for advice, and one of the gunners from the Memphis Belle says "Get a gun, shoot yourself in the foot and go home".
I am certain that I am using level stabiliser and not the autopilot, and my speed is about 200 to 220mph.
I think that I may be onto something when I checked how my yoke is calibrated. I don't think that the sensitivities on the mixture axis (the one I am using for trim) is set up right, even small movements result in a significant amount of movement. I will alter those settings and let you guys know how I get on.
Thanks chaps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crash_Moses
05-06-2007, 10:03 PM
Here ya go, lad...

Whew! Sorry I'm late...(pant)...just a sec...(pant)...gotta catch my breath...

Joe-90 just came out with an awesome instructional video. You can find the link to it in this thread.

Norden Bombsight Training Video (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1101043355)

Or click the link in my sig for a slightly more in depth take on the subject.

S!

Roblex
05-07-2007, 01:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">After watching Joe90's tutorial on using the Norden bombsight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crash moses, The above is the first line of this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Crash_Moses
05-07-2007, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Roblex:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">After watching Joe90's tutorial on using the Norden bombsight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crash moses, The above is the first line of this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doh!

...how embarassing...50 lashes! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Hey! It was late...and he obviously hadn't read my manual... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

So I helped a little...right? Guys? Guys??

Warrington_Wolf
05-07-2007, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Roblex:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">After watching Joe90's tutorial on using the Norden bombsight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crash moses, The above is the first line of this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doh!

...how embarassing...50 lashes! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Hey! It was late...and he obviously hadn't read my manual... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

So I helped a little...right? Guys? Guys?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Never mind, at least your heart was in the right place.
I think that I may have had a breakthrough, I was able to put the bombs direct on target three times in a row (the last time I had AAA firing at me and took several hits). I have also developed a liking to blasting along at treetop level and dropping my eggs manually, then strafing whatever is left.
I've found that having The Fratellis or AC/DC blating in your headphones whilst you do this is a great stress reliever.
Before I go off on my first sortie does anyone know where I can get a decent RAF skin for the B-25?
Thanks a lot lads http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.