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Melhisedek
04-17-2005, 07:26 AM
Hi mates,
was looking through sale bin yesterday and I saw a pretty good deal on "IL-2 Sturmovik". Thing is I never played a flight sim before :/ I like the idea and hope there are some nice battles in there (at least 5-6 planes fighting).
So here we go? Would I be able to play the game with just a keyboard/mouse?
How complicated is it? I understand it isnt arcade game but sim, so how steep is learning curve? Any other (easier in case IL-2 is hard flight sims) I could pick up?

So how huge are battles? Or is it just one on one?

I've checked local komplett page for joystics, and this is what I came up with?

http://www.komplett.se/k/kl.asp?bn=10433

which one would be good for newbie?
I thought about this one:
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=304428&cks=PRL

perhaps this one:
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=121033&cks=PRL

So are they any good?
I mean do they have rudder controls? (is it just nr of buttons on joystick you can assign to rudders or is it something else)

How is online community? Will I get yelled on as a newb or?
**** I want to play it now :P

Thank you for your time!

tigertalon
04-17-2005, 07:37 AM
Hi Melhisedek, wellcome aboard!

Firstly, no, this sim is impossible to play only with keyboard/mouse. In fact, you can fly bombers with keyboard only, and use gunners with mouse. But to fly fighters, you do need a joystick. I still use good ol' MS Sidewinder FF 1, it is 7 years old now, still ticking like new http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Hmmm, about learning curve... Well, DEEP knowledge about WW2 aircraft comes in a package with this sim. Some people bought the sim because they had extensive knowledge about WW2 aerial fighting, some people start to study WW2 air combat because of this sim.

It is advisable to start flying offline, just to get to know aircraft, to get the feeling etc etc...

Always remember that your greatest weapon in dogfight is your knowledge. Know your plane. Know enemy's. Know where (i mean at which altitudes) you are faster, know where he is. Know who climbs better, know who dives better, who turns better and at what speeds. And then use it accordingly, try to use your advantages against adversary's disadvantages, without letting him do the same.

You have all kinds of battles in Il2 series. It can be 1v1 or 30v30 (or sometimes even 5v30 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

I am no good at joysticks, but you definitely need one with a rudder.

Online community is great. If you behave, you never get yelled on or sth. But it is good to read the manual of the game first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Ok, that's for start. Hope to cu in virtual sky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

han freak solo
04-17-2005, 07:40 AM
GO BACK AND BUY THAT GAME NOW!!! Get a Joystick with at least rudder twist capabilities (you'll need it for this game)!!

It's hard, but you'll learn to love it like no other sim out there. Then you can get the later versions of it that improve on graphics and planesets. The list is:

IL2 Forgotten Battles
IL2 Forgotten Battles Ace Expansion Pack
(Note: if you find the GOLD PACK, it combines both of these games)
Pacific Fighters

Most everyone here have the three above titles installed together as a "merged" game. And at various websites such as www.airwarfare.com, (http://www.airwarfare.com,) there are many free downloads of new plane paint jobs (skins), missions, and campaigns.

If your into flying in just the least, you'll love this game! If your into WWII propeller fighter and bomber aircraft, you'll love this game! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEBillfish
04-17-2005, 07:41 AM
Well sadly, though you might find a handful online flying "IL2 Sturmovik" sorry to say it is an obsolete sim. The sim 2 years ago progressed to IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles, then Ace Expansion Pack (or gold pack for both)...and roughly 6 months ago to Pacific Fighters.

HOWEVER, do NOT feel you made a mistake. Though I never owned the original many still love it and on occasion fly it.

First off yes, you do need a joystick. If youve never owned one I'd not suggest spending a fortune on one yet, and you will need some form of rudder control be it a "twist" in the stick, or other means, though a twisty stick will be the least expensive way to go. The Logitech Extreme 3d Pro there would be an excellent choice. Inexpensive, sturdy, in fact I just replaced a stick i've used for 6 years with one. Forget the wireless unless you must have it.

Then fly the sim you bought. If you look on the website here you'll find patches and many other "free" goodies to add to it....If you hate it, no loss........But I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you'll like it......At that point race out and get the up to date versions....

IL2 Sturmo will floor you with fun and realism....The set above will leave you speechless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Welcome to a whole lot of fun.

rnzoli
04-17-2005, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Melhisedek:
I saw a pretty good deal on "IL-2 Sturmovik". Thing is I never played a flight sim before :/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a downloadable, free-of-charge, ~150 MB feature-rich demo version of IL-2 available on the Internet. If you haven't bought anything yet, google it, download it, and it will give you almost exactly what you can expect from the real thing. It has the "dogfight" online functionality as well, and it can be played against other people having a copy of the demo version themselves (like myself).

dieg777
04-17-2005, 09:14 AM
Hi and welcome

Just to reinforce what others have said and add a few thoughts-
1) you need a joystick - lebillfish has covered this well
2)This game leans heavily to the sim side and is not a quakefest type game.
There are options in the game that can make it easier but most prefer the more realistic settings.
3)OFFLINE There are a few modes of play available-
quick missions with up to 32 planes
single missions - more scripted with more ground details and usually a mission goal
campaign- a seriese of linked single missions.
-there can be a large amount of planes loaded in the latter two
ONLINE- you will need the il2 forgotten battles/aces/pacific fighters option to play on the more popular servers

4) the online community is generally mature and welcolming with a large amount of third party support for free utilities,missions and skins.

5) to give you some indication of beginning in this game see these two threads

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=9181071422&p=1
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4901007622&r=9131017622#9131017622

and see the unofficial faq at http://www.airwarfare.com/

I would say rush out and buy it BUT the newer versions as listed by han freak solo have better flight models and with the patches you will get a lot more plane options. il2 forgotten battles or gold edition arent that much more expensive and well worth the risk
One last thing is please check out your computer specifications against recommended for game- all these versions are very demanding;although il2 sturmovich will play well on lower end systems.

good luck

Melhisedek
04-17-2005, 09:44 AM
First of all thanks people. This is by far the friendliest board I've ever seen! And I'm board master :P
Well you certainly know how to break down a fellow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
So I did some research and I think I made up my mind :P
Thing is here where I live ( Sweden ) I can't seem to find forgotten battles for the life of me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif IL2 and aces exp are np, but forgotten battles nope and pacific fighters are nowhere to be found. But I don't give up so easily, I'll check with my sister if she can find me something in our capital http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My biggest question!
tigertalon mate you have really, really scared me! I mean how do you learn all that data? About climbing, diveing, speeds at different altitudes... Is it in the manual? Or do you have to try it on your own?
I must say I'm really interested in flying altogether. My family kinda have history with flying (except me) so it's something I really can relate to.
And please tell me you didn't joke about 30vs30 fights? I would kill just to see such a fight! Can't even imagine being part of one :P

So now I'm sitting here with burning feeling in my guts waiting for monday to be able to start playing at least IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Deedsundone
04-17-2005, 10:36 AM
Hey,I´m Swedish and all my games and compstuff I get from this place.
http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=10317

They are good,don´t know if they are the cheapest but have fast delivey.

Melhisedek
04-17-2005, 10:47 AM
Yeah that is the place I buy my stuff too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thing is you can see it says they don't have it in stock, so I'll prolly have to wait at least a week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif No idea how it works and all.
Hehehe I can barely stand this waiting until tommorow. Need to buy a joystick as well. Why do I always get this game ideas on Sundays :P

CAPT_COTTON
04-17-2005, 11:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Dear new flyer to the best sim in the world[got carried away] http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I am 62 years old http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif and i learned all this stuff about flying and still fly with logitech stick [3d pro]and i have rudder pedals[help you when you get a drink of coffee and with your gunnery and take off]i have a button control system and throttle conected on left arm of chair and only use keyboard to talk to others in game online http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

I think it took probley two weeks to learn how to do this stuff correctly and went on line and i have been here ever since [that was in 2001] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

There are rooms at Hyper Lobby that have up to 50 players in them and when you meet six of them from the other side you try to rember how to make this thing go faster.Run baby run! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I flew in US NAVY as an Airman and sometimes i cant belive how real it looks while i am flying up there and then a zoom and dommer will wake me up he he[yes you will have to learn all these words like Z&D and lag and RTB and hey] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

You get to paint your own planes and put your name on them and put your face in the pilots that are in your plane and paint your own nose art !I bet i have 6 months just doing that?
And when you go up on line the other players see your work and in the net cash you get to see theres . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

So to sum it all up. Go for it Baby! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And as you noticed You can get help JUST ASK AND YOU WILL RECIEVE! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Melhisedek
04-17-2005, 11:46 AM
As I said, most friendly buch of people I've ever met!
I ordered IL-2, FB, Ace Exp and Pacific Fighters. Don't know how long it will take to get all that to me here, just know I MUST play this game now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even my father is interested (possibly even more than me)

Just a quick question before I freeze myself untill my CDs arrive.
I saw quite a few expansions for FB, like

Operation - Fall Blau
Operation Barbarossa - Special Edition
Combat Over Europe
Battle Over Europe

what about them? Essential or not? I'm pretty lost with all of the expansions and stuff, can think it won't be easy to patch all of the stuff up to latest versions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So can anyone tell me about some battles they had in Multiplayer? I'm dying to hear all about them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dieg777
04-17-2005, 11:49 AM
for information on how to fly and fight in the virtual sky go here

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Tailspin/index.htm

anything by andy bush at simhq is worth reading

and there is always airwarfare.com

good luck

han freak solo
04-17-2005, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Just a quick question before I freeze myself untill my CDs arrive.
I saw quite a few expansions for FB, like

Operation - Fall Blau
Operation Barbarossa - Special Edition
Combat Over Europe
Battle Over Europe

what about them? Essential or not? I'm pretty lost with all of the expansions and stuff, can think it won't be easy to patch all of the stuff up to latest versions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, you just jumped off into it didn't you? Congratulations!!

I've only got Operation Barbarossa and Battle over Europe. I like "Battle" the best. It offers the ability to fight over some of the western front.

But, in truth, I'd wait on getting the expansion packs. You just ordered yourself enough software to keep yourself occupied for a L-O-N-G time.

Skycat_2
04-17-2005, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Melhisedek:
was looking through sale bin yesterday and I saw a pretty good deal on "IL-2 Sturmovik". Thing is I never played a flight sim before :/ I like the idea and hope there are some nice battles in there (at least 5-6 planes fighting).
So here we go? Would I be able to play the game with just a keyboard/mouse?
How complicated is it? I understand it isnt arcade game but sim, so how steep is learning curve? Any other (easier in case IL-2 is hard flight sims) I could pick up?

So how huge are battles? Or is it just one on one?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. First, most people here will assume you're talking about "IL-2: Forgotten Battles" or "Gold Pack." If you mean "IL-2 Sturmomik" (it has a picture on the box cover very similar to the graphic at the top of this web page) then you might wish to consider "Forgotten Battles" and "Ace Expansion Pack" or the "Gold Pack" that combines the two titles.

"IL-2 Sturmovik" was the first version of what later became "Forgotten Battles." Unlike FB, "IL-2 Sturmovik" can't be upgraded with expansions. Very few people will be playing the original IL-2 online (although you may find a few) because the developer stopped supporting it over two years ago to promote the 'sequel' version, "Forgotten Battles."

This doesn't mean that "IL-2 Sturmovik" isn't a good offline game (or online, for that matter). It's just that FB, with or without its expansions of AEP and Pacific Fighters, has more maps and planes than the original version.

You can fly more than five or six planes, whatever you mean by that. You can select from a good variety of different plane types, including the American P-39, the Soviet IL-2 series and several styles of fighters, and several variants of the German Bf-109 and FW-190. The upgrade patches add the Ju-87 Stuka divebomber and the Soviet BI-1 rocket plane, among others.

As for "large battles" the game can put a maximum of 32 planes in the air at once I believe, 16 from each side. You can play in 'free-for all' dogfight modes or team-based co-op modes that can utilize computer-controlled planes to fill in planes not controlled by humans.

Is the game difficult to master? Yes, but offline (or under online host's settings) you can scale the difficulty to be very easy. You could technically fly with just a keyboard, but realistically it only makes an already challenging game much more difficult. I don't think you can reassign the mouse to be a flight controller, as it is already used to control inflight maps and operate certain 'rear gunner position' machine guns.

You can fly IL-2 with easy flight models, with unlimited ammunition, and with invulnerable damage options. You can even choose a setting where if you try to land too hard (or simply crash into the ground) your plane simply bounces and continues flying. There is even a hidden option you can enable that brings up cartoon dialogue boxes over planes that are hit, and shows arrows throughout the fuselage to represent the path of bullets, cannon shells and flak shrapnel. (These features are available for all versions in the series).

One thing about the original IL-2 Sturmovik is that it is simpler to learn than FB and later releases only because the original doesn't feature complex engine management, flyable bombers with adjustable bombsights, or multi-engined planes as flyable. On the other hand, the later versions added these features, expanded the theaters of operations, and improved the graphics overall. Consider the original IL-2 an advanced demo for FB or Pacific Fighters ...

Skycat_2
04-17-2005, 01:44 PM
Darn, I should have read the full thread more carefully. Ummm, so you've ordered all of the series already ...

Well, good for you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Aeronautico
04-17-2005, 02:10 PM
Sorry I didn't read all the posts but I want to point out that
although IL-2 series of flight sims can be difficult to master (but rewarding), there is an extensive list of options to configure the sim so that it is as easy to fly as any other arcade game.
So, no need to be scared by the supposedly steep learning curve: this sim can be as easy as you want, and you can increase difficulty as you go by, or stop wherever you feel confortable (ignore the "full real" claims for now).

Bearcat99
04-17-2005, 02:29 PM
Welcome aboard. Hit the Sturmovik Essentials list in my sig.

Get FB,AEP,PF and then patch with patch 3.03 and 3.04 ASAP. You can find the patches in the Essentials link. As far as joysticks go.. try here (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html). I dont know if they ship the reconditioned X-45 to Sweden or not.. but it is worth a shot.

You will love this sim. The leartning curve is steep but rewarding.

chaikanut
04-17-2005, 05:16 PM
Hello and welcome.

Il2 has more flyable airplanes than all the prop sims ever produced combined. It looks awesome even today and gives you a genuine feel of flying. Shooting aircraft and watching them turn into aluminum matchsticks is like watching a guncam film. On top of that you have great support and new patches with free airplanes etc so there is no contest as you see with the competition. Learning to fly will take some time though and shooting will always be difficult so it may be frustrating at the beginning.

As for the stick, I reccomend a saitek evo for start, they are quite good and dirt cheap, despite looking like toys. Dont get a Logitech, all I have heard is how quickly they break!

Lucius_Esox
04-17-2005, 05:35 PM
M8 just do it as they say and save your posts from this thread so you can look at em in 5 years time when your still here!!!

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Melhisedek
04-17-2005, 07:18 PM
All I can say is that it's 3AM over here and I can't sleep because of the game I haven't even played yet. Only Final Fantasy 7 made me do the same.

About the joystics... I already ordered **** Logitech! Don't know if I can cancel the order. Great now I wont be able to sleep for a week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Is Logitech really that bad?
(Worse thing is that they are almost the same price)

HotelBushranger
04-17-2005, 11:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>About the joystics... I already ordered **** Logitech! Don't know if I can cancel the order. Great now I wont be able to sleep for a week Frown Is Logitech really that bad? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Welcome to my world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I suppose it depends on the individual joystick, but I've got an Attack 3. The slider, while physically going all the way down, only reacts to about 47%. There is a constant upwards pull, and if its a long flight I get arm aches just keeping the aircraft from rising to 10000 feet :S However, it does have a nice array of buttons, and nothings broken, and for $35 Australian it was a bargain! However, if you have more money to spend, I would suggest a Saitek http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Welcome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
04-18-2005, 12:54 AM
Welcome aboard m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif