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Hunde_3.JG51
10-29-2004, 06:27 PM
Did sea-level speed tests (under Oleg's conditions) and here is what I found:

Corsair: 565km/h
Hellcat: 525km/h

**Now here is the tip, with 120% fuel mixture (instead of 100%):

Corsair: 578km/h
Hellcat: 535+km/h (hit the water testing as I like to be right at sea-level http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). But I know it was definitely helping.

This may help other planes as well.

heywooood
10-29-2004, 07:19 PM
Hunde -

How are their respective roll rates?...

Waldo.Pepper
10-29-2004, 08:10 PM
Shhh! don't tell everyone 120% mix was my edge! **** it!

Hunde_3.JG51
10-29-2004, 09:05 PM
Heywood, they both roll similar to the current P-47. They slow down a very little bit at speed, but with minor rudder input you can roll quite well.

As a note controls don't really stiffen up at all on either. Even at very high speeds you have excellent responsive control.

Man, I love the Corsair, but I have a hard time believing that it was this good. It has similar performance to FW-190A-6 but handles much better overall with VERY little stall characteristics and excellent turn rate. I prefer historical accuracy so I won't fly the Corsair F4U-1C with 4x20mm's much because I don't think it was used much in actual combat (IIRC only 200 or so were built during wartime). Besides against the Japanese planes the 6x .50's are plenty.

NevynAus
10-29-2004, 09:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
120% fuel mixture (instead of 100%):
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do i get it up to 120%?

Hunde_3.JG51
10-29-2004, 09:50 PM
Map keys to fuel mixture up and down. I have mine set to + and - keys on side of numpad. Only certain planes have this so with some aircraft these keys do nothing.

WUAF_Badsight
10-30-2004, 12:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NevynAus:
How do i get it up to 120%? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>avast matey , ye be needing to DL ye manual as well

arrrr

Ruy Horta
10-30-2004, 05:55 AM
Regarding the number of questions about basic key functions etc, it must be quite a crowd here who instead of buying their copy opted for the "cheaper" download.

VOL_Mountain
10-30-2004, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How do i get it up to 120%? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Besides mapping the fuel mixture keys one can add viagra to the fuel tank

Stuntie
10-30-2004, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Did sea-level speed tests (under Oleg's conditions) and here is what I found:

Corsair: 565km/h
Hellcat: 525km/h

**Now here is the tip, with 120% fuel mixture (instead of 100%):

Corsair: 578km/h
Hellcat: 535+km/h (hit the water testing as I like to be right at sea-level http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). But I know it was definitely helping.

This may help other planes as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only for few minutes though in real life or your engine will go bang.

It's an emergency measure (War emergency power or Boost) designed to get you out of trouble, not for normal usage.

LordOliver
10-30-2004, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stuntie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Did sea-level speed tests (under Oleg's conditions) and here is what I found:

Corsair: 565km/h
Hellcat: 525km/h

**Now here is the tip, with 120% fuel mixture (instead of 100%):

Corsair: 578km/h
Hellcat: 535+km/h (hit the water testing as I like to be right at sea-level http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). But I know it was definitely helping.

This may help other planes as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only for few minutes though in real life or your engine will go bang.

It's an emergency measure (War emergency power or Boost) designed to get you out of trouble, not for normal usage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

H means fuel-air mixture running extra rich, not WEP throttle setting... you can run 120% fuel/air for extended periods, the extra fuel can also act as a cooling mechanism as a side effect, it just won't do you much good at high alt as you will choke the engine.

Take a Val up to 5000m or so at full rich setting and see the black smoke issue from the engine and your performance degrade until you lean it back to 80% or less...

Some planes have a manual lean/rich control, some are fuly auto and will adjust it for you automatically with altitude.

jeroen_R90S
10-30-2004, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NevynAus:
How do i get it up to 120%? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>avast matey , ye be needing to DL ye manual as well

arrrr <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Harrrr! Man teh Harpoon!

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Saburo_0
10-30-2004, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Man, I love the Corsair, but I have a hard time believing that it was this good. It has similar performance to FW-190A-6 but handles much better overall with VERY little stall characteristics and excellent turn rate. I prefer historical accuracy so I won't fly the Corsair F4U-1C with 4x20mm's much because I don't think it was used much in actual combat (IIRC only 200 or so were built during wartime). Besides against the Japanese planes the 6x .50's are plenty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the limitations on torque in the FB engine make planes like the Corsair alot easier to fly thru & recover from stalls. Anyone got any pilots accounts of the Corsair's stall characteristics ? If i get time I'll try to find some.

Athosd
10-30-2004, 10:04 AM
I also have a hard time believing the Corsair was this good.
I'm not a crash hot flyer, yet can easily produce the never ending verticle loops or constant max elevator turn (without losing alt - requires a touch of rudder) that others have complained about.
Is this right? If performance like this was to be expected how did this plane come to be known as "Then Ensign eliminator"?

The few sources I've read indicate that it was an excellent fighter in skilled hands - but rather rough on the low hours guys.

All that aside it is a joy to fly in PF - it would be a real pity if it acquired the same loathing the LA5FN had in IL2.

Cheers

Athos

BuzzU
10-30-2004, 10:42 AM
I find it hard to believe the Corsair was this good. I won't fly it.

Since i'm in the Jugg full time now. It doesn't matter anyway..http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
10-30-2004, 08:48 PM
Good on you Buzz, unfortunately I will likely do the same. I still say you are more of a P-47 type of guy anyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

Soon people will think I am on a crusade against the Corsair (which I am), but it is because I want to be able to fly it without feeling guilty.

The P-47 is a pretty nice ride now as well, but it certainly can be flown without shame.

SkyChimp
10-30-2004, 09:01 PM
I don't understand why people still have the notion that the F4U handled the same as the Fw-190A. The only credible test I've ever seen between the two show the Corsair was decidedly superior in handling.

Maybe it is too good in PF. But it should be significantly better than the Fw-190A.

Hunde_3.JG51
10-30-2004, 09:22 PM
Agreed Skychimp, I didn't mean to imply that it should fly like a 190. I think the Corsair was superior in handling, at least in sustained maneuvers (turns, loops, etc), but as it is in PF just feels very wrong. It feels more like a Spitfire than a 11,000+ pound (loaded) fighter. I couldn't wait to hop into the Corsair, now I hardly want to fly it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

As a note, in the only test I have seen it was a fighter/bomber version of the FW-190A-5 (likely FW-190F-3) attempted to simulate fighter version. No mention of boost for 190, but mention of boost for Corsair. FW-190 also outclimbed the Corsair quite easily at all but the slowest speeds and I am willing to bet that isn't the case in PF. Fw-190 was also faster at higher altitudes. Here is the test:

http://web.cetlink.net/~howardds/id88.htm

But I don't want to turn it into a 190 vs. Corsair thing, especially since they are my two favorite fighters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I agree the Corsair should handle better but the degree to which it is better in PF seems pretty off to me. Also, the instances where the 190 was superior in that test are not likely to be found in-game either so...

Anyway, I think we can agree that the Corsair needs some tweaking, but IMHO it is not just the Corsair, but just about all planes seem too easy to fly and bleed far too little energy.

"The FW-190A-5/U-4 (meaning factory conversion) tested had been employed by the Germans as a converted fighter/bomber, and was not the standard fighter version of the FW-190. In order to have the airplane as the standard fighter weight it was necessary to ballast with load weights."

This makes no sense as fighter/bomber variants were heavier than fighter variants, with added armor until F-8 variant.

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
10-31-2004, 12:19 PM
the tested focke wulf was an A5/U4 > Foto-reconnasance-Version, deleted the Outer Wing-Cannons but it was way heavyer than the FW190A5-Fighter.

the tested one, had a wight (as flown) of 8690lbs, thats about 4345kg.
The FW190A5 (fighter) is about 8000lbs...some 4000kg.
so i think, except of Turn, the FW190A5 and the tested Corsair should be verry simmlar in Flight performance, giving the FW an nice advantage in Climb. (even the heavyer U4 was able to outclimb an F4U, at certain speeds)

SkyChimp
10-31-2004, 04:29 PM
I agree, it seems all the planes are hard to stall.

XyZspineZyX
10-31-2004, 04:35 PM
The Corsair needs, like the P40 very small and gentle stick input to fly to her advantage.

Instead of using the full range of the stick, use about one third. Flaps at low speed are important as well as trim.

Did some of The US planes have flaps settings that were in 5 or 10%? increments. (No, I don't mean setting the flaps to a slider.)
Are atmospherics modelled in the new maps in PF?

WUAF_Badsight
10-31-2004, 04:48 PM
FW-190 & Jug regulars ought to love the Corsair

like its the plane that was made for them , lets wait for the first patch

Hunde_3.JG51
10-31-2004, 04:56 PM
For some it seems this topic may be misunderstood. I am saying the Corsair is way too easy to fly, not too difficult.

Badsight, I think anybody could fly the Corsair right now, no matter what you are used to. It does everything extremely well with almost no stall. In FB/AEP FW-190 & P-47 pilots have to use specific tactics that suite their planes and because those planes have real faults, characteristics, or inferiorities in certain areas. But as I have said before, I think the problem is global and not specific to the Corsair, especially in terms of lack of stall and energy bleed for most aircraft.

Philipscdrw
10-31-2004, 06:50 PM
Is it easy to land? I can't remember. I think I was bouncing off the deck and floating into the air, then applying full throttle and making another approach,

CaptainFlunky
10-31-2004, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NevynAus:
How do i get it up to 120%? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>avast matey , ye be needing to DL ye manual as well

arrrr <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

Ruy Horta
11-02-2004, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Maybe it is too good in PF. But it should be significantly better than the Fw-190A. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, I like both a/c from a historical pov so I'll let this one slide as a Skychimp slip up, or throw back or relapse...

Cmon Chimpy repeat after me:

U S versus J A P A N E S E

Forget the 190s for Christ Sake!!

SkyChimp
11-02-2004, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ruy Horta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Maybe it is too good in PF. But it should be significantly better than the Fw-190A. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, I like both a/c from a historical pov so I'll let this one slide as a Skychimp slip up, or throw back or relapse...

Cmon Chimpy repeat after me:

U S versus J A P A N E S E

Forget the 190s for Christ Sake!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe you weren't paying attention.