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AMuppetMatt
01-19-2010, 10:25 AM
OK... I think I mentioned this absolutely ages ago after I had finished AC1. I'm pretty sure I thought that Leonardo DaVinci would be 'The Father of Understanding', but I'm curious to know what other peoples' opinions on this mystery person are?

He's mentioned several times during Emails between the various members of Abstergo, and a large majority of your assassination targets have a nice little 'salute' for him. Surely this has to be a large part of the next game, seeing as he seems to be the 'big cheese' as it were. Wondering who people might have thought he was and if he's going to be involved... because I really hope we find out who this guy is... but as of yet I have no clues as to who it could be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AMuppetMatt
01-19-2010, 10:25 AM
OK... I think I mentioned this absolutely ages ago after I had finished AC1. I'm pretty sure I thought that Leonardo DaVinci would be 'The Father of Understanding', but I'm curious to know what other peoples' opinions on this mystery person are?

He's mentioned several times during Emails between the various members of Abstergo, and a large majority of your assassination targets have a nice little 'salute' for him. Surely this has to be a large part of the next game, seeing as he seems to be the 'big cheese' as it were. Wondering who people might have thought he was and if he's going to be involved... because I really hope we find out who this guy is... but as of yet I have no clues as to who it could be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Captain Tomatoz
01-19-2010, 10:28 AM
i think its just a metaphor http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AMuppetMatt
01-19-2010, 10:30 AM
Don't think that that hasn't crossed my mind... but surely it would be better if this was actually a person... way cooler game IMO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jimbo11235813
01-19-2010, 11:08 AM
I think it has something to do with Baphomet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet)
I haven't actually read it all yet, but it might have some info on the subject.

In the AC world, it could be anything.

TwinIltani
01-19-2010, 12:25 PM
Here's (http://www.templarhistory.com/shah.html) an interesting take on the origin of that phrase.

Secret organizations and cults alike tend to have some "higher power" to refer to. My impression from the game is that "may the Father of Understanding guide us" is a reverential phrase not necessarily towards a person, but rather some distant construct of a deity and the entire set of ethics, morals and goals that this particular being signifies.

An_Idea
01-19-2010, 09:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jimbo_323:
I think it has something to do with Baphomet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet)
I haven't actually read it all yet, but it might have some info on the subject.

In the AC world, it could be anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yup yup yup, i looked up "father of understanding" when i finished AC1 and i got that, very interesting

AMuppetMatt
01-20-2010, 02:33 PM
OK... thinking out loud, so be kind on my now crazy theory, cause crazier things have happened in Assassins Creed...

The Father of Understanding... or more accurately "Baphomet... is Altair. OK, sounds crazy, and I admit that this is a stab in the dark, infact, even as a type this I realise just how vague I'm having this go on... Just hear me (read me) out.

Assassins Creed (1) is based in 1190. According the the ever reliable Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet )
"The name Baphomet first appears around 1195 in the Occitan poem "Senhors, per los nostres peccatz" by the troubadour Gavaudan."
We all know that in the last codex page Altair talks of looking at the apple for one last time before he dies. Whilst I understand that Altair would take a little more than 5 years to die after his adventure with Al Mualim.... allowing for a little historical innacuracies, it could mean that this phrase all started because Altair looked at the apple and did... something.

I don't know, I'm merely throwing the idea out there... as far as I'm concerned the chances of this being the case are pretty remote. But I really hope this "Baphomet" has some sort of role in the next Assassins Creed, and that we find out who/what he is and what he is doing/will do.

P.S. Unless it's just Alan Rickin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mikeh1294
01-20-2010, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
OK... thinking out loud, so be kind on my now crazy theory, cause crazier things have happened in Assassins Creed...

The Father of Understanding... or more accurately "Baphomet... is Altair. OK, sounds crazy, and I admit that this is a stab in the dark, infact, even as a type this I realise just how vague I'm having this go on... Just hear me (read me) out.

Assassins Creed (1) is based in 1190. According the the ever reliable Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet )
"The name Baphomet first appears around 1195 in the Occitan poem "Senhors, per los nostres peccatz" by the troubadour Gavaudan."
We all know that in the last codex page Altair talks of looking at the apple for one last time before he dies. Whilst I understand that Altair would take a little more than 5 years to die after his adventure with Al Mualim.... allowing for a little historical innacuracies, it could mean that this phrase all started because Altair looked at the apple and did... something.

I don't know, I'm merely throwing the idea out there... as far as I'm concerned the chances of this being the case are pretty remote. But I really hope this "Baphomet" has some sort of role in the next Assassins Creed, and that we find out who/what he is and what he is doing/will do.

P.S. Unless it's just Alan Rickin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The name is used in ACI, so it can't be Altair. Sorry! :P

Brett_Master5
01-21-2010, 03:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TwinIltani:
Here's (http://www.templarhistory.com/shah.html) an interesting take on the origin of that phrase.

Secret organizations and cults alike tend to have some "higher power" to refer to. My impression from the game is that "may the Father of Understanding guide us" is a reverential phrase not necessarily towards a person, but rather some distant construct of a deity and the entire set of ethics, morals and goals that this particular being signifies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reposted for it's truth.

It's used much like "God Bless you" is used now. As seen when they clasp their hands together and bow their heads in prayer.

AMuppetMatt
01-21-2010, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mikini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
OK... thinking out loud, so be kind on my now crazy theory, cause crazier things have happened in Assassins Creed...

The Father of Understanding... or more accurately "Baphomet... is Altair. OK, sounds crazy, and I admit that this is a stab in the dark, infact, even as a type this I realise just how vague I'm having this go on... Just hear me (read me) out.

Assassins Creed (1) is based in 1190. According the the ever reliable Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet )
"The name Baphomet first appears around 1195 in the Occitan poem "Senhors, per los nostres peccatz" by the troubadour Gavaudan."
We all know that in the last codex page Altair talks of looking at the apple for one last time before he dies. Whilst I understand that Altair would take a little more than 5 years to die after his adventure with Al Mualim.... allowing for a little historical innacuracies, it could mean that this phrase all started because Altair looked at the apple and did... something.

I don't know, I'm merely throwing the idea out there... as far as I'm concerned the chances of this being the case are pretty remote. But I really hope this "Baphomet" has some sort of role in the next Assassins Creed, and that we find out who/what he is and what he is doing/will do.

P.S. Unless it's just Alan Rickin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The name is used in ACI, so it can't be Altair. Sorry! :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah damn... who uses it? I'm gonna go and kill them 10 times just for ruining my fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Grandmaster_Z
01-21-2010, 12:16 PM
"Arkon Daraul proposed that "Baphomet" may derive from the Arabic word ??? ???? Abu fihama(t), meaning "The Father of Understanding"

N3V30
01-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Seen as the phrase is used by Templars, wouldn't it make sense that the Father of Understanding is the original Templar.

In AC1 it is shown the Templars have good intentions, its just their method that is flawed. If he lived at the time of Adam and Eve (shown in AC2) he could have understood that it was better for the human race to be without free will.