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DD_NL
07-31-2004, 02:22 AM
Hi all. Well, with the upcoming PF I wanted to start training for the carrier take-offs and landings. My idea is to setup some markers on a runway, that mark out the exact size of the carrier deck. But I have no idea what size the deck is. If someone does, can you make a small map for this purpose? Thx. (I know this practise-deck wont have arrrestor wires etc, but I want to get a feel for how short and small the space is on which to manouvre the plane) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DD_NL
07-31-2004, 02:22 AM
Hi all. Well, with the upcoming PF I wanted to start training for the carrier take-offs and landings. My idea is to setup some markers on a runway, that mark out the exact size of the carrier deck. But I have no idea what size the deck is. If someone does, can you make a small map for this purpose? Thx. (I know this practise-deck wont have arrrestor wires etc, but I want to get a feel for how short and small the space is on which to manouvre the plane) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DD_NL
07-31-2004, 02:28 AM
Hmm, I think I might have awnsered my own question. Would the deck be about 700 feet long?
I was looking at this ss:
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/230704/illustrious4.jpg

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Yellonet
07-31-2004, 02:35 AM
Just practice making a 3-point landing on a moving cargoship http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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Macel
07-31-2004, 03:11 AM
They're extremely short. So short that if you try landing in that distance on the runway you'll overshoot it by quite a bit. There are two things to consider. Carriers have catch wires that hook onto the aircraft and pull them to a stop much sooner than they would by themselves, and only certain aircraft have the necessary characteristics to land on a carrier. If you want to practice, take a p39 or an a6m, and practice landing as slow as possible with full landing flaps engaged, you'll notice (Im assuming with the a6m as Ive never really flown it, but the p39 I've flown quite a bit and know from experience) that these planes can stay in the air at much slower speeds with their landing flaps. Conversely, they can get into the air much faster than other planes.

Practice with full landing flaps on these planes, see if you can stop the plane about a third of the way down the runway.. Touch down right on the edge of the runway.

I JG3 Troz
07-31-2004, 07:17 AM
judging from the video clips i have seen the hard part of landing will be to catch the wire. Practice making low speed 3 point landings with tail skid hitting the leading edge of the runway on touchdown. must be low and slow, if you catch the wire and bounce off the deck it will get messy ,lol.
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PBNA-Boosher
07-31-2004, 07:51 AM
Okay, here's whay you're gonna do.

Go into the FMB, and select one of the online blank maps, just to increase your FPS, because this is only practice, etc...

Alright, now, using the Airfield Campfires, select a runway, and surround 1/3 of it with the campfires using a tight rectangular pattern. This will simulate a "carrier" in PF or so. Use the A6M2 Zero, because it is the only plane in game that can perform the carrier based tactics right now. Now, for takeoff what you can do is floor the throttle, hold the brakes, pitch the nose down slightly to lift the tailwheel and Voila! You're in the air just after you exit the campfires. When you're landing, Try to come in and touch down a few meters after the start of the campfires, and try to touch down all three wheels at the same time, without bouncing. The plane may roll past the campfires, but that's fine, because here there's no rope that you'll be catching onto. However, one thing you should do is get used to flooring the throttle the second you touch the ground, and then killing it, just to make sure you caught that wire...

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Arm_slinger
07-31-2004, 08:01 AM
I've done this for my squad. I have made a small area out of campfires to simulate the arrestor wires and nothing else (no point trying to use a whole deck as land is different to ships http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. The idea being that you touch down within this little area. This simulates catching the wire.

If you touch down before the area, your dead as you have just flown into the back of the carrier

If you touch down after the area, you have missed the wires and therefore have to go round again.

I would do a take off but i don't know how to judge the scale of feet in FB

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Breeze147
07-31-2004, 08:03 AM
Hopefully, the Landing Safety Officer (LSO) will be modeled and he will be of huge assistance in getting you down. You should be lined up in the last quarter mile. Remember, all adjustments in altitude will be made with the throttle. Resist all urges to use too much stick. If it looks like your off, slam the throttle and go around. It's better that you crash into the sea than foul the flight deck. Also remember that landing on a aircraft carrier is a controlled crash. There's 4 wires out there, one of them SHOULD catch you. Just in case you manage to miss all four, slam the throttle to WEP as soon as you touch down.

It will be much easier than trying to land in Janes FA/18, where you have to compensate for the angled landing area constantly moving 10 degrees away from you during your approach.

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2004, 08:36 AM
Good tips in the above.


Full Flaps, travelling just above stall speed and aim to put down at the end of the strip at the same point each time.
Remember the controls will be reversed...Throttle will give you height, flaps will give you speed.
Learn to line up the strip with points on your 'pit/ flight panel and gunsight. Gunsight would probably the more helpful. Glide to deck (it will come up to you on the carrier, not you down to it as with a ground strip), don't dive for the deck.
"The hook" hangs down below the tailwheel at about the same depth as the landing gear, so getting the glide right will have the hook catch the wire in the real trap. Practise "flaring" by lifting the nose slightly (to bleed off speed) a short distance before touching down
Take movies of each landing and see where you go wrong at the beginning and to see improvements in your technique along the way to it becoming second nature.
A good pilot in a prop plane should be able to land on a clear deck and stop without the wire.

IL2-chuter
07-31-2004, 01:25 PM
Don't forget the ship is moving. It will throw your practiced technique (dry land) off a bit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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p1ngu666
07-31-2004, 01:38 PM
guess ill haveto upload the mission i made for practise
also ive marked it off in 5/10metre steps, so u know how far uve coasted

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Cmte. Carvalho
07-31-2004, 03:49 PM
Hi fellows;

I found a nice way to exercise our reflex during the desaceleration... Of course, in a carrier we gonna have hooks that will help a lot in that process but, while we don't have it, lets play a little with what we have. That's what i'm doing:

First, in the FMB, i set some campfires in a taxiway using the aircraft parking area as a reference for the "runway" lenght:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/cmte_carvalho/field.jpg

Then, i pick the A6M and set full flaps. Don't forget that, because it will be your configuration during a deck landing. I get some distance from the "runway", turn back, and start acelerating to about 100 - 120 km/h wich will be close to a carrier landing speed, but don't get the wheels off the ground. Set the throttle to keep that speed:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/cmte_carvalho/speed.jpg

When i reach the first row of campfires, i just cut the power, stick back and brakes, being careful to don't overnose the plane:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/cmte_carvalho/stick_back.jpg

And the full stop, before get over the final campfire row:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/cmte_carvalho/full_stop.jpg

After some practicing you probably will be able to land in that space. It's very important to pratice menage your speed and your angle of attack, also know as "Alpha". I hope this can help you someway... Bye.

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DD_NL
07-31-2004, 04:28 PM
Thanks for aal the nice replies guys, I'm sure all of us are just itching to fly the carrier missions. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
07-31-2004, 04:48 PM
How bout just practising on CFS2, its not that much anymore.

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Lateralus_17SS
07-31-2004, 04:57 PM
I have a very nice mission for practicing carrier landings that I got from someone on this forum, and I'll upload it if when someone tells me how to do so.

LEXX_Luthor
07-31-2004, 06:15 PM
What was said above, but for uber~narrow landing strip, use FB roads on flat landscape and line them with campfires especially the ends like pictured above. Roads are as smooth as Runways--even Oleg talked about this--and staying on roads while landing or takeoff will make you...an Ace. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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Troll2k
07-31-2004, 09:30 PM
I have had no problem landing my p-11 and I-153 on the space of a carrier deck.

Old_Canuck
07-31-2004, 09:43 PM
Download this track (http://www.members.shaw.ca/al-randall/images/CarrierPractice.ntrk) if you want to see what a carrier landing on a tanker looks like. It was posted on PF a week or so ago.

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BSS_Goat
07-31-2004, 10:02 PM
Try this one http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=275102044&r=505107944#505107944

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Old_Canuck
07-31-2004, 11:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Try this one http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=275102044&r=505107944#505107944

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Downloaded the practice mission. Thanks BSS_Goat.

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tttiger
07-31-2004, 11:28 PM
The early US carriers (Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, etc.) were just shy of 900 feet long.

But, really, the only part you care about is that much shorter area where the three wires are located. Overshoot that and the length of the deck is of little concern http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Go download WarBirds (the software is free and you can fly off line for free). They have carriers and carrier aircraft. For learning, the Dauntless is very forgiving.

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BS87
08-01-2004, 02:34 AM
I remember a mission a looong time ago where you could try and land on one of the dock things... Don't know what happened to it though.