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MichaelMar
09-08-2004, 11:08 PM
Is it Russian, does it make for a good combat plane, decent armor, fast turns...?

It looks real small...

THX

MichaelMar
09-08-2004, 11:08 PM
Is it Russian, does it make for a good combat plane, decent armor, fast turns...?

It looks real small...

THX

JR_Greenhorn
09-08-2004, 11:20 PM
The B-239 is an American-built (by Brewster) plane, sold to and flown by the Finnish Air Force.
Originally, it was designed to be a USN carrier fighter, and holds the distinction of being the first monoplane fighter in the USN inventory. The Buffalo (as it's nicknamed), was outperformed by improved models of the more famous F4F Wildcat, so the USN seemed to have little intrest in their Buffalos apart from exporting them.
Its worth noting that the B-239 was outfitted a bit differently when in USN hands, and was known as the F2A.


If you fly the B-239 much at all in FB, you'll find that it is SLOW! Other than that, its a great Cr@p Plane--fun to fly, full of character, and makes you earn your kills.
You'll have to really work to down even early-war Russian bombers, but it is very satisfying when you do. It maneovers well enough to be competitive against other early war fighters, but it is mostly obsolete early in the war--hence its appeal.


Presently, there happens to be a big fuss about an ultra-rare surviving B-239. See the thread titled "BW-372" to learn more about the controversy and the plane in general.
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Friendly_flyer
09-08-2004, 11:24 PM
It's basically a Finish version of the Brewster Buffalo. If you start a Finish career, you'll get the chance to fly it (and a good lesson in history as well!). It is small, but very agile, and a good match up for the I-16. Armament is .50 MGs and it has weak armour, relying in manoeuvering rather than strength. The engine is easily damaged.

It's a fun bird to fly, try her out!

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

F19_Ob
09-09-2004, 12:55 AM
This about finnish af brewsters may help:
http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/faf/brewster.html

arrival to finland:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~fta/BWtoFAF1.htm

articles about fin fighteraces:
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/finland.htm

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WUAF_Badsight
09-09-2004, 01:31 AM
what can i tell you about it ?

. .. . . only thats its awesome fun to fly & fight with !

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tttiger
09-09-2004, 02:36 AM
One word: Google

No, more than one word. Greenhorn, you are incorrect. The Buffalo outperformed the Wildcat and the Navy pilots liked it better. But the landing gear was both complicated and too fragile for carrier landings. The Wildcat had hand-cranked gear like the I-16. And Grumman had a lot of friends in the Navy.

It was an excellent early war fighter. It's a hoot to fly in FB. Try it in RAF colors against the A6M2 and pretend you're flying over Singapore or Burma. A good match-up.

ttt

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PBNA-Boosher
09-09-2004, 05:28 AM
Even that info is a bit off tttiger. The First version of the F4F wildcat was another upgrade of the F3F biplane. the F4F was a biplane as well. Then the Brewster Aeronautics company came out with the prototype XF2A-1. This greatly outperformed the obsolete F4F's design. It was only when the Navy started requesting more armor protection on the F2A-2 and F2A-3 versions of the Buffalo that it grew out of favor with the Navy. as Greg Boyington said about it, "IT WAS A DOG!! But before they added all that armor and ****, they were pretty sweet little ships."
Grumman then emerged with a new F4F prototype, called the F4F-2. The navy liked the Prototype, and Grumman's friends made a few improvements on the plane, a more powerful engine, taking the .50's originally in the nose and removing them, leaving 4 .50 caliber MG's. The first production unit of this improved F4F was the F4F-3. Then as the war continued, we get the F4F-4, the FM-1, and the FM-2 versions of the "Wildcat." the Martlett Mk. I is the same plane as the F4F-3. These exports to Britain were originally meant to go to France, but France was taken over, so they had to be overhauled and switched so that Britain could take up the order. Martlett Mk. II's were F4F-4's, and the MK. III version was a combination of the FM-1 and FM-2.

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JG53Frankyboy
09-09-2004, 06:21 AM
http://www.franky.fliegerhospital.de/Brewster%20entwicklung.jpg

B-239 was the Finnish version
B-339B was a belgium order
B-339E were RAF
B-339C/D were Dutch
F2A-3 saw action in Battle of Midway with the Marines
B-339-23 was a Dutch order (the worst performing variant of all) , used by RAAF

Heavy_Weather
09-09-2004, 12:28 PM
engines maybe? they have weak armament thats one thing they have in common.

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-09-2004, 12:51 PM
I wouldn't say they had weak armament, but it wasn't exactly amazing. I think the early models had 2x.30cals and 2x.50cals and later variants had 4x.50cals, not sure.

But what you should try is set up a quick mission, you sit yourself in a zero, and load up 4 B-239s. It's a fun dogfight, that's for sure, specially when the wee gits start doing rolling scissors!!!

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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tttiger
09-09-2004, 01:01 PM
Boosher, mine was the abridged version http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Interestingly, many Navy pilots were upset when they upped the number of guns from four on the F4F-3 to six on the F4F-4 and gave it folding wings. It made the plane heavier and less maneuverable and they felt four guns were plenty. Same complaint Boyington made about the Buffalo.

Remember, in those days, maneuverability was everything. The Buffalo was the most maneuverable operational US fighter of WWII (even though it was used only for training by mid 1942) with the Wildcat a close second. Nothing else came close.

But, by the end of the war, speed, not agility, was all that counted.

Aloha,

ttt

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